Brett Kavanaugh Confirmation Thread

[JimmyJames 12,271]

18 minutes ago, Stros said:

So you went from a Republican to a socialist?

Nope. Did you read what I posted? My party is the anti trump party. Et tu? 

[Stros 153]

Nope. Did you read what I posted? My party is the anti trump party. Et tu? 

Is Bernie a socialist? Did you vote for him?

[David Dennison 18,561]

4 minutes ago, Stros said:

Is Bernie a socialist? Did you vote for him?

No, Bernie is not a socialist.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

2 minutes ago, Stros said:

Is Bernie a socialist? Did you vote for him?

 I suppose he is and I didn’t vote for him on the general or for that reason because he wasn’t on the ballot. I supported him in the primary to defeat Hillary because I believed, and still do, that he would keep the Midwest from falling to allow trump to secure the  presidency.

So while were at it, did you vote for trump? If so why? Do you still support that decision? 

[Onboard 2.0 9,083]

Ethnonationalist ?  Is that code for mayonnaise eaters ?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,815]

I hate the premise that party affiliation is a lifelong commitment. God forbid you support candidates that most closely represent you. It's only the letter that matters

[Mack Tripper 693]

Is Bernie a socialist? Did you vote for him?

Just stop. It’s clear that you don’t know what socialism is.

[Mack Tripper 693]

Double post

[MixtyMotions 102]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/09/20/toobin-brett-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-testimony-ac-vpx.cnn

[David Dennison 18,561]

3 minutes ago, MixtyMotions said:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/09/20/toobin-brett-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-testimony-ac-vpx.cnn

And we thank you for Congress.

[jimmyjazz 45,494]

Apparently double posting is contagious.

[TexArcher 37,448]

1 hour ago, Stros said:

Is Bernie a socialist? 

Republicans don't know what socialism is.  They just hate it because Fox News tells them to.

Republicans don't know what's in the Affordable Care Act.  They just hate it because Fox News tells them to.

Republicans don't know what climate change is.  They just think it's bullshit because Fox News tells them to.

Republicans don't know how individual liberty works.  They just know it applies to their gun ownership and not to gay marriage, because that's what Fox News tells them.

Etc.

[Mole 4,318]

This seems appropriate for this thread.

 

[Fudge Nuggets 19,117]

This Kavanaugh dude seems like a real shithead.

[Bozo_Casanova 26,218]

Apparently double posting is contagious.

It’s an epidemic, like poor tackling

[Amobie 58]

So it looks like that facebook post has been taken down after people started pointing out that it contradicted Ford's account in several areas.  Most notably that Ford claims the incident happened during the Summer and that facebook post recalled that it was the "talk of the school" for weeks after it happened.

[Js1 85,049]

10 hours ago, David Dennison said:

 

Romney might just be a reliable Republican voter, but at least he's a decent man and NOT FUCKING SENILE AS FUCK.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

After reading about her history, I don’t think Dr. Ford will be backing down.  Her background and professional experience is a Republican’s worst nightmare.  Extremely well educated middle aged surfer scientist super mom. 

 

[Captainant 27,276]

10 minutes ago, Amobie said:

So it looks like that facebook post has been taken down after people started pointing out that it contradicted Ford's account in several areas.  Most notably that Ford claims the incident happened during the Summer and that facebook post recalled that it was the "talk of the school" for weeks after it happened.

I mean since we're all speculating wildly in here, it's not unreasonable for something to happen in the summer and have people talking about it for weeks into the school year. 

[troph 24,544]

Maddow’s opinions can get out of hand and her tears are over the top but when she goes on her tirades like that she’s actually one of the best. I don’t like the various punditry shows on any of the networks but the connect the dots stuff is awesome.

 

[troph 24,544]

Tapa double post

[Onboard 2.0 9,083]

9 hours ago, TexArcher said:

Republicans don't know what socialism is.  They just hate it because Fox News tells them to.

Republicans don't know what's in the Affordable Care Act.  They just hate it because Fox News tells them to.

Republicans don't know what climate change is.  They just think it's bullshit because Fox News tells them to.

Republicans don't know how individual liberty works.  They just know it applies to their gun ownership and not to gay marriage, because that's what Fox News tells them.

Etc.

You really have an issue with this FOX thing, you should stop watching it.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

Doug Jones ladies and gentleman.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

 

[horncyclist 1,384]

 

Yeah but this was before the FBI became deep state. She knows what the conclusion of the investigation will be.

I'm not sure he makes it past the weekend. Good for Doug Jones speaking his mind. That's probably the closest we'll get to an honest take.

[tantric superman 4,667]

She needs to testify on Monday.  That's the way investigations are done.  You talk to the victim.   Then you talk to the perpetrator.  Then you talk to any necessary 3rd party folks if you feel the need.  It would be nice if it could be done over time and in private but this is already public now and the process needs to go on.

I feel bad for her. I'd ask for more time if she needed more time.  But if they don't give her more time she needs to get on stage and tell her story. 

 

[wildcat09 29,183]

4 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

She needs to testify on Monday.  That's the way investigations are done.  You talk to the victim.   Then you talk to the perpetrator.  Then you talk to any necessary 3rd party folks if you feel the need.  It would be nice if it could be done over time and in private but this is already public now and the process needs to go on.

I feel bad for her. I'd ask for more time if she needed more time.  But if they don't give her more time she needs to get on stage and tell her story. 

 

She’d probably be willing to do so if they gave any indication that they were interested in conducting a thorough good-faith investigation. It’s pretty clear though that they aren’t remotely interested in that.

[Mojo Hand 4,580]

1 hour ago, Amobie said:

So it looks like that facebook post has been taken down after people started pointing out that it contradicted Ford's account in several areas.  Most notably that Ford claims the incident happened during the Summer and that facebook post recalled that it was the "talk of the school" for weeks after it happened.

That's not really a contradiction.  Summer is right before school starts.   It could have been the talk of the school during the first few weeks of the school year. 

[Chad Fuck 17,501]

4 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

That's not really a contradiction.  Summer is right before school starts.   It could have been the talk of the school during the first few weeks of the school year. 

I mean, tons of kids are headed back to school right now.  I'll bet they went to parties within the last couple weeks.  Maybe they're even talking about them.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

10 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

She’d probably be willing to do so if they gave any indication that they were interested in conducting a thorough good-faith investigation. It’s pretty clear though that they aren’t remotely interested in that.

Yeah, they want to put her on trial and they demand she lay out her case 72 hours in advance so they have time to rip it apart.  They also want no witnesses to testify to make it a strictly he said / she said. 

This is a perversion of Justice put on full display in order to push a bought and paid for judicial activist to the highest court in the land.  

[wildcat09 29,183]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yeah, they want to put her on trial and they demand she lay out her case 72 hours in advance so they have time to rip it apart.  They also want no witnesses to testify to make it a strictly he said / she said. 

This is a perversion of Justice put on full display in order to push a bought and paid for judicial activist to the highest court in the land.  

 

[jimmyjazz 45,494]

3 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

I mean, tons of kids are headed back to school right now.  I'll bet they went to parties within the last couple weeks.  Maybe they're even talking about them.

We had a strict yet unwritten code:  what happens over the summer stays in the summer.  No talking about parties, drinking, sex, vacations, ball games, drinking, parties, sex, parties, parties with drinking, parties with sex, parties without sex but where we wished we had sex so we drank . . . nope.  We were literally a bunch of zombies.  Never said a word.  Teachers all thought we were at the library 24/7.  Easy peasy, everyone just followed the code.  

[Chad Fuck 17,501]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

We had a strict yet unwritten code:  what happens over the summer stays in the summer.  No talking about parties, drinking, sex, vacations, ball games, drinking, parties, sex, parties, parties with drinking, parties with sex, parties without sex but where we wished we had sex so we drank . . . nope.  We were literally a bunch of zombies.  Never said a word.  Teachers all thought we were at the library 24/7.  Easy peasy, everyone just followed the code.  

Because if I know anything, it's that teenagers can keep someone else's secret.  Lock.  Box.

[scottsins 1,952]

If Dr. Ford is not going to be able/choose to testify, she should just release her polygraph results. Would not matter in a court of law, but let the GOP senators explain at town halls the nuance of the Daubert line of cases, scientific certainty, etc.

[David Dennison 18,561]

22 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

 

Keeping your cross-examiners in the dark is next level smart.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

4 minutes ago, scottsins said:

If Dr. Ford is not going to be able/choose to testify, she should just release her polygraph results. Would not matter in a court of law, but let the GOP senators explain at town halls the nuance of the Daubert line of cases, scientific certainty, etc.

She doesn’t need to testify.  She can go on 60 Minutes with all the witnesses she wants.

That would have the same, if not more, influence as her testifying before Congress.

This isn’t a legal matter and those Senators have their minds made up regardless of what she says in their forum.  The only thing that can have any impact is public outrage/sympathy for Dr. Ford.

This is political warfare and Dr. Ford’s most powerful weapons are her testimony and the MSM platforms.  Kavanaugh already has the right wing media sphere fighting for him.

[David Dennison 18,561]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

She doesn’t need to testify.  She can go on 60 Minutes with all the witnesses she wants.

That would have the same, if not more, influence as her testifying before Congress.

This isn’t a legal matter and those Senators have their minds made up regardless of what she says in their forum.  The only thing that can have any impact is public outrage/sympathy for Dr. Ford.

This is political warfare and Dr. Ford’s most powerful weapons are her testimony and the MSM platforms.  Kavanaugh already has the right wing media sphere fighting for him.

At this point, if she doesn't testify and he is confirmed, that is a huge win for Republicans.

For the moment.

They will pay dearly in November. I think if he gets confirmed and her story blows up on them later, they lose both houses.

[Horn Dog 9,623]

If I was her attorney I would propose that she have a public hearing/ discussion with a select group of female senators-  Collins (R), Murkowski (R),  Fenistein (D), and Harris(D).   The first 2 are all that matter anyway at this point. 

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

9 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

At this point, if she doesn't testify and he is confirmed, that is a huge win for Republicans.

For the moment.

The bottom line is the American people need to hear from Dr. Ford directly in person by Monday.  The venue is not as important.  The Republicans are doing everything possible to control her narrative while paying lip service to “due process”.  What they fail to understand is she is in control, not them.

Edited September 20, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[David Dennison 18,561]

2 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

If I was her attorney I would propose that she have a public hearing/ discussion with a select group of female senators-  Collins (R), Murkowski (R),  Fenistein (D), and Harris(D).   The first 2 are all that matter anyway at this point. 

And the Republican female senators would tell her to fuck off in the nicest way possible.

[RomaVicta 29,744]

And the vast majority of the electorate thumbs their nuts. 

Thank you amateur operatives of the right who have returned to do your tag team obfuscation and falsehood promotion. I know it's been hard sledding for you with Trump, but here's an old-fashioned shit show where you can swiftboat anyone who speaks up against the sacred party.

At least it's clear who you are now. I will now employ the impotent gesture of negging any repeated lie that has been debunked on this thread. I know you tremble. Fuck you, anyway.

[David Dennison 18,561]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The bottom line is the American people to hear from Dr. Ford directly in person by Monday.  The venue is not as important.  The Republicans are doing everything possible to control her narrative while paying lip service to “due process”.  What they fail to understand is she is in control, not them.

I agree she is the one in control, but I have yet to see any indications that she is going to sit down with any media outlet before Monday.

I still think she's going to call their bluff and testify.

[Horn Dog 9,623]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

And the Republican female senators would tell her to fuck off in the nicest way possible.

True but they will look like dicks.  They said they want to hear from her.  She would be offering to talk to them.  When a rape victim shows up in the police station or ER they often want to speak with a female cop or be examined by a female doc.  It is understandable and I think most woman would sympathize.  

[Guest]

Question for legal professionals:  what requests are typical to grant in order to accommodate those who indicate that they are willing to testify in legal proceedings?  Are you aware of any instances where the potential witness requested that some additional investigation take place before they testify?  Depending on who you listen to Dr. Ford's request is either completely reasonable or crazy.  I'd be interested to hear any experts take on typical expectations and requests of those called to testify.  

Edited September 20, 2018 by Guest

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I agree she is the one in control, but I have yet to see any indications that she is going to sit down with any media outlet before Monday.

I still think she's going to call their bluff and testify.

She’s likely not going to give any indication of anything for the next 23 hours.  I think she’s going to call their bluff too and do a little media blitz prior for good measure/back up. 

[David Dennison 18,561]

4 minutes ago, Aphelion said:

Question for legal professionals:  what requests are typical to grant in order to accommodate those who indicate that they are willing to testify in legal proceedings?  Are you aware of any instances where the potential witness requested that some additional investigation take place before they testify?  Depending on who you listen to Dr. Ford's request is either completely reasonable or crazy.  I'd be interested to hear any experts take on typical expectations and requests of those called to testify.  

These aren't legal proceedings. These are political proceedings. The committee can do whatever it wants with respect to witness requests. Moreover, if they really wanted to hear from her, they could issue a subpoena.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,356]

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

These aren't legal proceedings. These are political proceedings. The committee can do whatever it wants with respect to witness requests. Moreover, if they really wanted to hear from her, they could issue a subpoena.

I think it’s probable she testifies under protest. 

Edited September 20, 2018 by Hugo Stiglitz

[RomaVicta 29,744]

21 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Keeping your cross-examiners in the dark is next level smart.

I just passed over this at first, but now I see how astute it is. I'd imagined her as hunkered down like a trembling rabbit, but the steps she and her advisers are taking seem careful and strategic.

She doesn't want to see this POS on the Supreme Court. It's too much.

Introduce the accusation to a senator as a last resort allegation.

When it goes public: take a lie detector and ask for the FBI to investigate.

When the GOPs refuse the FBI and lie about it: refuse to play the game they set up (DD's post)

Keep yourself hidden revealing nothing until it counts and you can control it. Let the attackers guess about who you are and what you have.

If the FBI remains uninvolved, I agree with the posters that an appearance on 60 minutes the night before her testimony is the best way to get her story out in a fair way. The GOP attack dogs have only a single night (sound familiar?) to process the data and plot their strategy to discredit her.

She many not be a rabbit at all. She may be the fox.

[jimmyjazz 45,494]

From the little bit I have read about Dr. Ford, she doesn't strike me as someone who would back down from a fight.  I get it, we're talking about sexual assault, and that can cause emotional damage that lingers one's entire life, but I get the feeling she's going to bow up and push back.  Selfishly, I hope she does.

[David Dennison 18,561]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I think it’s probable she’s testifies under protest. 

The fact that Grassley won't issue a subpoena tells you all you need to know about the GOP level of interest in hearing from Dr. Ford.