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8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Personally?  I'm actually kinda hoping that some gestapo dumbass makes the mistake of arresting, disappearing, and deporting me.

I have the means to get help (financial and otherwise) wherever I end up, rather quickly.  I have the legal resources at hand (real-deal friends and some rather skilled acquaintances) to fight back and make as big a fuss and test case as you can imagine.  I'm real close to wishing a muthafucka would.  Because I am a dream plaintiff.  That's what we need, for these overreaching fascists to fuck with the wrong plaintiff.

Sounds like I can count on you to get me out of El Salvador right

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15 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Personally?  I'm actually kinda hoping that some gestapo dumbass makes the mistake of arresting, disappearing, and deporting me.

I have the means to get help (financial and otherwise) wherever I end up, rather quickly.  I have the legal resources at hand (real-deal friends and some rather skilled acquaintances) to fight back and make as big a fuss and test case as you can imagine.  I'm real close to wishing a muthafucka would.  Because I am a dream plaintiff.  That's what we need, for these overreaching fascists to fuck with the wrong plaintiff.

 

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On 3/28/2025 at 3:30 PM, SubliminalHorn said:

Sounds like I can count on you to get me out of El Salvador right

Sorry, you’re gonna have to John McAfee your way out of that situation.

Just don’t head to Spain where you might get picked up on tax charges and “commit suicide” in prison.

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12 minutes ago, bolverk said:

She imagines the worst. “How can girls go back to Afghanistan?” said Nilab, 30, who asked that only her first name be used to protect her identity. “What will happen to us? Rape, forced marriage and death.”

In fairness, that's the plan for the US in the coming years, too.....so turn that frown upside down, Nilab!  You're going to be a second-class citizen and chattel in either country soon!

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Ah yes, Republicans continue to fuck over Afghanis when in power, after doing nothing but criticizing the other party for not supporting them more when that party is in power. 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

In fairness, that's the plan for the US in the coming years, too.....so turn that frown upside down, Nilab!  You're going to be a second-class citizen and chattel in either country soon!

First, (unfavorable) comparisons to Hamas, and now comparisons to the Taliban. Y’all are on a roll. 

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Gosh, I can't imagine how people might see parallels between two countries that have heavy fundamentalist theocratic influence in their ruling regimes.  It's a mystery.

Because people are fucking morons. 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

I presume you are speaking of our fundagelical leaders.

I know they’re morons. People equating terrorist organizations that murder people are a bit different. You lose people with such comparisons. 

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13 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I know they’re morons. People equating terrorist organizations that murder people are a bit different. You lose people with such comparisons. 

Ahh, you get lost in the fallacy of degree.

These images can be of the same fire:

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Just because one has been allowed to burn longer doesn't mean the other isn't just as great a threat.

"Only somewhat as theocratic and hasn't killed as many people yet" is not a good distinction.  Fundagelical theocratic regimes see the "other" as inferior, and almost always view women as lesser (worthy of fewer rights and such).  The common threads are in plain sight.  And waiting till the fire is burning out of control over 100,000 acres (so you can finally say "okay....NOW it's bad") is a really, really bad strategy.

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21 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Ahh, you get lost in the fallacy of degree.

These images can be of the same fire:

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Just because one has been allowed to burn longer doesn't mean the other isn't just as great a threat.

"Only somewhat as theocratic and hasn't killed as many people yet" is not a good distinction.  Fundagelical theocratic regimes see the "other" as inferior, and almost always view women as lesser (worthy of fewer rights and such).  The common threads are in plain sight.  And waiting till the fire is burning out of control over 100,000 acres (so you can finally say "okay....NOW it's bad") is a really, really bad strategy.

You’re crazy and I won’t do this with you. You should send longer messages with more words in all caps. 

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3 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

You’re crazy and I won’t do this with you. You should send longer messages with more words in all caps. 

I'm crazy for seeing the similarities between the Taliban and the American Christofascist movement in power in many spots of our government.  Yep.  I'm clearly alone, out on an island, to be the one person to see the similarities.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

I'm crazy for seeing the similarities between the Taliban and the American Christofascist movement in power in many spots of our government.  Yep.  I'm clearly alone, out on an island, to be the one person to see the similarities.

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You’ve totally moved the goalposts. Totally. Similarities does not equate with the fact that the Taliban will straight up murder people. Any comparison, as a result, is disingenuous as fuck. 

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I dunno why some of you don't just put Rex on ignore, he's a fucking moron.  But he's not MAGA!  He just doesn't like when you compare them to terrorists or Nazis.

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Just now, Rex Kramer said:

You’ve totally moved the goalposts. Totally. Similarities does not equate with the fact that the Taliban will straight up murder people. Any comparison, as a result, is disingenuous as fuck. 

Huh.

I guess we should hold off on raising the red flag on oppressive, theocratic regimes, until they are fully functioning death machines.  Until then, there's no comparison.

Because no brutally oppressive, violent, murderous regime ever started off as merely autocratic and erasing the rule of law.  Nope, no pattern of that at all.

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Huh.

I guess we should hold off on raising the red flag on oppressive, theocratic regimes, until they are fully functioning death machines.  Until then, there's no comparison.

Because no brutally oppressive, violent, murderous regime ever started off as merely autocratic and erasing the rule of law.  Nope, no pattern of that at all.

HISTORICAL CONTEXT!!! THAT'S CR!!!!!!

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Ya know Rex, seeing how desperately you want to derail the thread and conversation to NOT be about these extrajudicial and illegal actions by ICE, one could easily support the conclusion that you're pleased with what's happening.

 

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10 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I dunno why some of you don't just put Rex on ignore, he's a fucking moron.  But he's not MAGA!  He just doesn't like when you compare them to terrorists or Nazis.

He might legitimately be dumber than workswithseed.

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11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Huh.

I guess we should hold off on raising the red flag on oppressive, theocratic regimes, until they are fully functioning death machines.  Until then, there's no comparison.

Because no brutally oppressive, violent, murderous regime ever started off as merely autocratic and erasing the rule of law.  Nope, no pattern of that at all.

Nah, I’d just hold off comparing them to Hamas or Taliban. It’s bad enough. Why in the fuck would you derail conversations with ridiculous comparisons that will catch you no flies, and turn people off?  

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8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Ya know Rex, seeing how desperately you want to derail the thread and conversation to NOT be about these extrajudicial and illegal actions by ICE, one could easily support the conclusion that you're pleased with what's happening.

 

Why?  I’m not. I’m just not into hyperbole. It ruins your otherwise good arguments. 

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19 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Nah, I’d just hold off comparing them to Hamas or Taliban. It’s bad enough. Why in the fuck would you derail conversations with ridiculous comparisons that will catch you no flies, and turn people off?  

Huh.  When I see a fire start, I say "fuckin' a, that's bad, we should put that out."  When someone asks "why?", the only sane answer is "because I've seen moderate fires like this turn into all-consuming infernos, and the time to put out a fire is BEFORE it gets that bad."  So, yeah....I compare a 1 acre grass fire to the Palisades fire, because.....the Palisades fire was once a 1 acre grass fire too.

We know exactly how this specific type of fire burns. We have literal books chronicling it.  When you pick one up, and you realize "holy shit, our current spreading fire looks a shitload like these past historical fires," you get a renewed sense of urgency about how dangerous these fires are.

Yet, we will all burn, because we are a nation full of Rex Kramers who will not agree that there is a problem until the fire covers 10,000 acres with 0% containment....by which point it is far, far too late, and we're going to fucking lose it ALL.  It is the same historical head-in-the-sand idiocy that gets us the same results, over and over.

But this time, I'm sure, the autocratic theocracy will be different.

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Huh.  When I see a fire start, I say "fuckin' a, that's bad, we should put that out."  When someone asks "why?", the only sane answer is "because I've seen moderate fires like this turn into all-consuming infernos, and the time to put out a fire is BEFORE it gets that bad."  So, yeah....I compare a 1 acre grass fire to the Palisades fire, because.....the Palisades fire was once a 1 acre grass fire too.

We know exactly how this specific type of fire burns. We have literal books chronicling it.  When you pick one up, and you realize "holy shit, our current spreading fire looks a shitload like these past historical fires," you get a renewed sense of urgency about how dangerous these fires are.

Yet, we will all burn, because we are a nation full of Rex Kramers who will not agree that there is a problem until the fire covers 10,000 acres with 0% containment....by which point it is far, far too late, and we're going to fucking lose it ALL.  It is the same historical head-in-the-sand idiocy that gets us the same results, over and over.

But this time, I'm sure, the autocratic theocracy will be different.

Blah blah fucking blah. I recognize there is a problem. Your histrionics and hyperbole comparing Mike Johnson or whatever GOP official you want to the Taliban inserted in a cute little meme graphic do you no favors. You don’t need to convince me. You need to convince people (admittedly, like me) that we are heading down the wrong path. You do not accomplish this by comparing the right to the Taliban or Hamas. The people we need to convince are not affected by ICE actions. So, they’ll laugh at laughable comparisons. Anyone with a brain will. Be better. 

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19 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Blah blah fucking blah. I recognize there is a problem. Your histrionics and hyperbole comparing Mike Johnson or whatever GOP official you want to the Taliban inserted in a cute little meme graphic do you no favors. You don’t need to convince me. You need to convince people (admittedly, like me) that we are heading down the wrong path. You do not accomplish this by comparing the right to the Taliban or Hamas. The people we need to convince are not affected by ICE actions. So, they’ll laugh at laughable comparisons. Anyone with a brain will. Be better. 

This isn't "the right" or "my team" or "your team". This is AMERICA. AMERICA is shipping people off to labor camps in El Salvador without due process, and oopsie poopsie they scooped up a few brown citizen too. Terrorizing your political enemies and threatening them with cruel and unusual punishments like labor camps or being sent into forced marriages is not what AMERICA should be doing.

The fact that you're continually framing is as "my team" and "your team" is the whole fucking reason we're in this mess. It's not about teams. It's about what is fucking right and wrong. 

This is not right. 

Stop arguing in advance of and the benefit of your intellectual peers that this is all just overblown nonsense. It's not. You should read "They Thought They Were Free" sometime to have a better grasp of the context you're dismissing out of hand to see where that thinking can lead.

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"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with their leader, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

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 "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to.

The above is a snippet with a name genericized to better illustrate how history is rhyming.

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It's hilarious [and quite sad] that he's actually right in a way because the average American brain cannot compute a comparison of a smiling Mike Johnson to a scary, turban-clad brown person. He's, of course, completely wrong that the comparison is laughable. It's only laughable to him because his brain is hard-wired to consider Arabs/Muslims as inferior and/or subhuman.

Of course, he's obfuscating the fact that he has openly praised the Trump adminstration/ICE's actions of kidnapping/black bagging/attempting to deport legal permanent residents for protected speech because it would immediately torpedo the notion that you "don't need to convince him" that we are heading down the wrong path.

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8 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's hilarious [and quite sad] that he's actually right in a way because the average American brain cannot compute a comparison of a smiling Mike Johnson to a scary, turban-clad brown person. He's, of course, completely wrong that the comparison is laughable. It's only laughable to him because his brain is hard-wired to consider Arabs/Muslims as inferior and/or subhuman.

Of course, he's obfuscating the fact that he has openly praised the Trump adminstration/ICE's actions of kidnapping/black bagging/attempting to deport legal permanent residents for protected speech because it would immediately torpedo the notion that you "don't need to convince him" that we are heading down the wrong path.

I've thought about running a thought experiment with some family members.  I'd like them to finish the sentence, "We know we're not witnessing the rise of an authoritarian regime in the United States because if we were we would see ________."  I'm a little scared of what their answers could be.

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18 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's hilarious [and quite sad] that he's actually right in a way because the average American brain cannot compute a comparison of a smiling Mike Johnson to a scary, turban-clad brown person. He's, of course, completely wrong that the comparison is laughable. It's only laughable to him because his brain is hard-wired to consider Arabs/Muslims as inferior and/or subhuman.

Of course, he's obfuscating the fact that he has openly praised the Trump adminstration/ICE's actions of kidnapping/black bagging/attempting to deport legal permanent residents for protected speech because it would immediately torpedo the notion that you "don't need to convince him" that we are heading down the wrong path.

All of this talk of authoritarianism is ruining his vibes, man. Can't have that. His vibes are what is most important.

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30 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Blah blah fucking blah. I recognize there is a problem. Your histrionics and hyperbole comparing Mike Johnson or whatever GOP official you want to the Taliban inserted in a cute little meme graphic do you no favors. You don’t need to convince me. You need to convince people (admittedly, like me) that we are heading down the wrong path. You do not accomplish this by comparing the right to the Taliban or Hamas. The people we need to convince are not affected by ICE actions. So, they’ll laugh at laughable comparisons. Anyone with a brain will. Be better. 

Which is why we're in full "leopards eating people's faces" land now.  Because the only way that people like you will EVER grasp that this regime is not just "not good government," but is actually a grave threat to us all, is when they feel immense pain of their own.

Point out policy disagreements?  That ship has sailed.  "People like you" like the policies of this regime.

Point out that other people are suffering significantly?  "People like you" either give ZERO fucks, or they actively ENJOY it ("other people suffering tells you the policies are working").

Nope.  The only possible path (and it's a narrow one, for which I have very little hope) is one where the fire burns enough people - either in somewhat targeted fashion (like a specific policy crushes them/their family) or in an all-consuming fire of collapse of the Republic and descent into full-on authoritarian hellscape -- that they go "holy fuck, that hurts!  We should stop that!"

But don't you worry your head, I'm sure that path will not bear fruit.  By the time the pain gets intense enough to actually turn people against the regime, it will be way, way too late.  We won't be altering course at all, no matter how many of us are up front correctly yelling "iceberg dead ahead!"  The rest of y'all will be in your dinner jackets, sipping brandy and saying "I don't know what they're yelling about, we haven't hit anything yet and anyway, this ship is unsinkable."  Which is stupid, because we are ALL gonna end up going down and drowning along with Leonardo DiCaprio and that's just stupid because who wants to spend eternity with him?

 

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25 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Which is why we're in full "leopards eating people's faces" land now.  Because the only way that people like you will EVER grasp that this regime is not just "not good government," but is actually a grave threat to us all, is when they feel immense pain of their own.

Point out policy disagreements?  That ship has sailed.  "People like you" like the policies of this regime.

Point out that other people are suffering significantly?  "People like you" either give ZERO fucks, or they actively ENJOY it ("other people suffering tells you the policies are working").

Nope.  The only possible path (and it's a narrow one, for which I have very little hope) is one where the fire burns enough people - either in somewhat targeted fashion (like a specific policy crushes them/their family) or in an all-consuming fire of collapse of the Republic and descent into full-on authoritarian hellscape -- that they go "holy fuck, that hurts!  We should stop that!"

But don't you worry your head, I'm sure that path will not bear fruit.  By the time the pain gets intense enough to actually turn people against the regime, it will be way, way too late.  We won't be altering course at all, no matter how many of us are up front correctly yelling "iceberg dead ahead!"  The rest of y'all will be in your dinner jackets, sipping brandy and saying "I don't know what they're yelling about, we haven't hit anything yet and anyway, this ship is unsinkable."  Which is stupid, because we are ALL gonna end up going down and drowning along with Leonardo DiCaprio and that's just stupid because who wants to spend eternity with him?

 

Where have I not demonstrated I don’t grasp this isn’t good government?  Try and respond in fewer than 5 paragraphs that I will not read. 

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28 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

All of this talk of authoritarianism is ruining his vibes, man. Can't have that. His vibes are what is most important.

Nah. My vibes are terrible already. I just know that the hyperbole will further divide us and it could have a significantly detrimental electoral result in ‘28. I mean if y’all want that, if all you wanna do is point and laugh at people I agree are duped idiots, keep perpetuating GOP = Taliban memes. It isn’t helpful in eradicating the problem.

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Holy shit Rex go day drink somewhere else. Please stop claiming that this thread is full of hyperbole and dismissing the actual real kidnappings our government is doing under the guise of immigration enforcement 

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7 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Where have I not demonstrated I don’t grasp this isn’t good government?  Try and respond in fewer than 5 paragraphs that I will not read. 

Will "this isn't good government" move the needle for "people like you?"  Of course it won't.  Not even a little bit.  Because the alternative -- that is, NOT voting for Republicans, straight-ticket -- is too unimaginably horrible.  Why, a trans kid may play volleyball in East Possum Dick on the JV squad, so......nope, "this isn't good government" is just fine, and we'll stick with what we're getting.

That's the point -- this is not just a case of "this isn't good government."  It's a case of "what we're getting is the kind of thing that destroys republics."

It's the difference between eating a McDonald's hamburger and saying "this isn't good food" and eating a McDonald's burger loaded with salmonella which will fucking kill you.  You'll sit there and keep munching your Quarter Pounder saying "I know this isn't good food," when the point is "dude....that particular burger is loaded with salmonella and is going to kill you."

And your response is the same as all the people like you - "look, we know that mickey d's isn't great for us, but you're coming off like a stick-up-the-butt puritan telling us what we should or shouldn't eat."  So, you keep scarfing down the salmonella, and making sure the rest of us have to eat it too.  Completely missing the point that what we're warning about isn't garden-variety "make healthy choices," it's "this shit is actual poison and it is going to kill us all."

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22 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Will "this isn't good government" move the needle for "people like you?"  Of course it won't.  Not even a little bit.  Because the alternative -- that is, NOT voting for Republicans, straight-ticket -- is too unimaginably horrible.  Why, a trans kid may play volleyball in East Possum Dick on the JV squad, so......nope, "this isn't good government" is just fine, and we'll stick with what we're getting.

That's the point -- this is not just a case of "this isn't good government."  It's a case of "what we're getting is the kind of thing that destroys republics."

It's the difference between eating a McDonald's hamburger and saying "this isn't good food" and eating a McDonald's burger loaded with salmonella which will fucking kill you.  You'll sit there and keep munching your Quarter Pounder saying "I know this isn't good food," when the point is "dude....that particular burger is loaded with salmonella and is going to kill you."

And your response is the same as all the people like you - "look, we know that mickey d's isn't great for us, but you're coming off like a stick-up-the-butt puritan telling us what we should or shouldn't eat."  So, you keep scarfing down the salmonella, and making sure the rest of us have to eat it too.  Completely missing the point that what we're warning about isn't garden-variety "make healthy choices," it's "this shit is actual poison and it is going to kill us all."

Your quip about destroying republics does not fall on deaf ears with me. I realize the gravity of what we’re witnessing. But your analogy about McDonald’s is way off. A more apt analogy is that there have been a few McDonalds that’ve caused some food poisoning outbreaks, and you’re consumed with convincing the world anyone who visits a McDonald’s will absolutely contract Ebola. So anyone you’d want to convince rolls their eyes. While you think your tactics have merit because you have a lot of people in here that are like-minded, those tactics have the opposite effect you intend. You can’t shame these people, and you certainly won’t effect change with dishonest comparisons. 

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Not hyperbole: the feds are deporting now and asking questions later. Facts and evidence be damned.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/an-administrative-error-sends-a-man-to-a-salvadoran-prison/682254/

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Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, Abrego Garcia’s attorney, said he’s never seen a case in which the government knowingly deported someone who had already received protected legal status from an immigration judge. He is asking the court to order the Trump administration to ask for Abrego Garcia’s return and, if necessary, to withhold payment to the Salvadoran government, which says it’s charging the United States $6 million a year to jail U.S. deportees.

Trump administration attorneys told the court to dismiss the request on multiple grounds, including that Trump’s “primacy in foreign affairs” outweighs the interests of Abrego Garcia and his family.

“They claim that the court is powerless to order any relief,’’ Sandoval-Moshenberg told me. “If that’s true, the immigration laws are meaningless—all of them—because the government can deport whoever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want, and no court can do anything about it once it’s done.”

Court filings show Abrego Garcia came to the United States at age 16 in 2011 after fleeing gang threats in his native El Salvador. In 2019 he received a form of protected legal status known as “withholding of removal” from a U.S. immigration judge who found he would likely be targeted by gangs if deported back.

Abrego Garcia, who is married to a U.S. citizen and has a 5-year-old disabled child who is also a U.S. citizen, has no criminal record in the United States, according to his attorney. The Trump administration does not claim he has a criminal record, but called him a “danger to the community” and an active member of MS-13, the Salvadoran gang that Trump has declared a Foreign Terrorist Organization.

This shit is actually happening. Please stop thread shitting and doing the baghdad bob, Rex.

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Not hyperbole: the feds are deporting now and asking questions later. Facts and evidence be damned.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/an-administrative-error-sends-a-man-to-a-salvadoran-prison/682254/

Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, Abrego Garcia’s attorney, said he’s never seen a case in which the government knowingly deported someone who had already received protected legal status from an immigration judge. He is asking the court to order the Trump administration to ask for Abrego Garcia’s return and, if necessary, to withhold payment to the Salvadoran government, which says it’s charging the United States $6 million a year to jail U.S. deportees.

Trump administration attorneys told the court to dismiss the request on multiple grounds, including that Trump’s “primacy in foreign affairs” outweighs the interests of Abrego Garcia and his family.

“They claim that the court is powerless to order any relief,’’ Sandoval-Moshenberg told me. “If that’s true, the immigration laws are meaningless—all of them—because the government can deport whoever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want, and no court can do anything about it once it’s done.”

Court filings show Abrego Garcia came to the United States at age 16 in 2011 after fleeing gang threats in his native El Salvador. In 2019 he received a form of protected legal status known as “withholding of removal” from a U.S. immigration judge who found he would likely be targeted by gangs if deported back.

Abrego Garcia, who is married to a U.S. citizen and has a 5-year-old disabled child who is also a U.S. citizen, has no criminal record in the United States, according to his attorney. The Trump administration does not claim he has a criminal record, but called him a “danger to the community” and an active member of MS-13, the Salvadoran gang that Trump has declared a Foreign Terrorist Organization.

This shit is actually happening. Please stop thread shitting and doing the baghdad bob, Rex.

Problem: Rex and “people like him” like this. Because let’s be honest, brown folks like Mr Garcia aren’t real people anyway and aren’t entitled to any legal protection.
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