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2 hours ago, irishtexan said:

The thing that exacerbated the disappointment in Brown/Gray was that Texas had been unable to land a 5-star in-state RB in what seemed like forever. Since landing Cedric Benson in 2001, we missed out on in-state 5-star RBs Lache Seastrunk (bust), Christine Michael (bust-ish), Jermie Calhoun (bust), Michael Goodson (regressed every year in school), and Adrian Peterson (stud). I thought we were setup to have a devastating run game for the next 4-5 years. And it just never happened. 

 

I feel like this is Exhibit A for the then-common argument that Texas high school players hit their ceilings in high school. I also feel like a lot of the coaches were to blame for running them into the ground. Some of these poor kids were probably showing up with 30-year-old legs at 18 years old.

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Weird. Eric Hall (NW HS in Clarksville, TN) my wife's high school.

Malcolm Williams (Garland) my high school.

I met Malcolm's mom a couple of years ago.  She was a janitorial sub at my school.  She saw my Texas hat and asked if I had heard of her son.  She was extremely nice and still very proud of her son.

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On 2/18/2025 at 10:38 AM, TreatyOak said:

For me, Burnette is less about being a great player (though I thought he would be at least good) and more just for the extremely stunning and ridiculous way he sabotaged his own career. To ruin your career in one Facebook post is truly legendary. I actually felt sorry for him being so stupid.   



You literally laid out the criteria for busts and proceeded to pick someone first who met none of your above criteria. Unless of course you were in fact out hyping Burnette to all of your friends before he got to Texas? Just a bizarrely weird pick for an exercise that you picked the rules for. 

Taylor Bible was my biggest miss. His junior film looked like Warren Sapp and I told anyone who would listen that the next great defensive linemen to go to Texas was going to destroy the Big 12. I simply forgot (or chose not to) watch his senior film to realize he was quickly eating himself into oblivion. The evidence was right in front of my face that he was going to be a bust but I wanted to believe I suppose. 

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15 minutes ago, Newy25 said: literally laid out the criteria for busts and proceeded to pick someone first who met none of your above criteria. Unless of course you were in fact out hyping Burnette to all of your friends before he got to Texas? Just a bizarrely weird pick for an exercise that you picked the rules for. 

Being local to Austin, I was excited about Burnette. While only a three star, I was glad we got him, and his strange fall was epically stunning. His pernicious fall fits into my personal bucket of players I was most disappointed about when they failed and it was more impactful for me than any of the 2010-2020 disappointments. 

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I was always suspicious of Kyle Porter and all his success behind the giant Katy O-line, but I was hoping for the best. He was such a non-factor during his years at Texas. Watching him plow into a non-hole game after game with his head down was so discouraging. 

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45 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

For CTJ it has to be Parker Livingstone

 

 

Tray Allen was it for me I think. 



Tray Allen showed us who he was during the Army All American practices and game. He was really just a three star guard that the services refused to adjust after initial junior camp hype. Unlike Bible I don’t think he ever showed five star tape at any time as a prospect. 

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23 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

Dayne Crist > Andrew Luck. 

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18 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

I don't know who Star Jackson was, but his name sounds like what a lazy, LA-based writer who knows nothing about sports would name the QB for some terrible TV movie. 

What about Mike Glennon?  #3 pro-style recruit in the nation and they couldn't find a picture.

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I'd throw Don Bergeron in this pile too. I watched him play at North Mesquite since my son was also in high school at the same time. When I heard he has signed with Texas I was pumped to see what he would do on the field for the Horns which he did for for a while. Ended up in playing in Commerce after getting kicked off the team.

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38 minutes ago, Longhornstampede said:

I'd throw Don Bergeron in this pile too. I watched him play at North Mesquite since my son was also in high school at the same time. When I heard he has signed with Texas I was pumped to see what he would do on the field for the Horns which he did for for a while. Ended up in playing in Commerce after getting kicked off the team.

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On 2/18/2025 at 10:36 AM, GhostOfTomJoad said:

And I wouldn't call him a flame out & don't mean to derail the intent of the thread, but fuck the off-season so I feel for guys like OJ McClintock. Classic "athlete" take that kept out growing his natural position but was never strong or capable enough to make a difference where he ended up.

This is the one, to me. Completely lost in the shuffle.

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You guys have shared a lot of great stories and names, but I want to see if anyone can top the Dre Jones story for sheer sadness. He was allegedly the first 5-star player to ever come out of El Paso and was ready to help the Longhorns reload for the 2007 season. By all reports, he was a top student in HS and the 3rd ranked DT in the country.   

Somehow, impossibly, during fall camp, he is implicated in an apartment robbery along with the infamous Robert Joseph. According to the Statesman, "Jones and Joseph stole cash, cellphones and video game equipment from the residents, according to court documents." Although he always claimed he wasn't at the scene of the crime, (see the Johntay Cook thread for more on this) he was unable to clear his name, pleaded guilty, served 30 days, and never played a down for the University of Texas. This was the summer of 'Book 'Em Horns', with seven players getting arrested. 

“There’s no doubt that he hooked up with the wrong crowd,” Payan said. “After (the arrest), he started to spiral out of control.”
Payan said Jones, who was no longer allowed to stay in the on-campus dormitory, had to “live out of his car. … It wasn’t a good situation for him.
Payan said he had very little contact with Jones after the player moved back to El Paso in the summer of 2008.
Jones, stripped of his athletic scholarship and possible bright future in college football, did not make a smooth transition back to his hometown.
“I always considered Andre mature for his age,” said Vanessa Burchett, who had known Jones since both were freshmen at Andress. “But I think being in Austin — a big city where he didn’t know anybody — he started hanging out with guys older than him. He wanted to be part of the crowd. In El Paso, he always stood out.”

He tried to play at UTEP, but was struck by a car and tore his knee ligaments. After a brief stint at Tarleton State, it was a steady downhill of drugs and depression. He was arrested for crack and cocaine possession in 2012. 

“Andre would go on binges for months to smoke weed,” O’Neal said. “I’d ask him, ‘What are you doing? You don’t have the heart to take this.’ ” On Aug. 17, 2012, Jones was arrested; El Paso police said they found 34 grams of crack cocaine in small bags in a bedroom at his home. The case was dismissed last April.

Sepkowitz and Meitler ( his former coaches) said Jones, a regular at the Andress field house while in high school, never sought their guidance after he returned from Austin. Meitler said Jones might have been “too embarrassed” to approach them after losing his opportunity to play for the Longhorns.

In 2014, he died of an overdose at age 24. 

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On 2/18/2025 at 9:13 PM, AnotherLawyer said:

I get that we're not talking about busts but about guys who didn't live up to our expectations, but honestly what were you expecting out of him? The guy set the then-school record for career receiving TDs (still 10th or something last I saw). Also the receiving yards record with Mike Adams for freshmen. He was all-conference twice. The others, sure, but Lovell actually had a decent career with us for a TE playing WR his entire time here.

Yeah, that's fair.  He was such a manimal though.  I guess thirty years younger me just wanted more out of him.  That, or early onset Alzheimer's is setting in on me.

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On 2/18/2025 at 4:51 PM, MrX said:

Not a bust but a disappointment - Darnell McDonald deciding to go into the MLB draft in 1997. 

I forgot that he was committed to Texas.  I remember him from his high school days at Creek

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5 minutes ago, 66BUFF said:

I forgot that he was committed to Texas.  I remember him from his high school days at Creek

Probably the best high school athlete I’ve ever seen in CO. CMac is up there. I’m too young to have seen Dave Logan play. 

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11 minutes ago, MrX said:

Probably the best high school athlete I’ve ever seen in CO. CMac is up there. I’m too young to have seen Dave Logan play. 

My dad went to Boulder high with the Anderson brothers and the Irwin brothers.  He said they were great at every sport they played.

 

Phil Irwin on the Sports Illustrated cover in 1970

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Desean Hales

Erick Fowler - that clip of him body slamming an OL in a 1v1 in some camp was awesome

Lawrence Richardson - wanted that dude at UT so bad. Think he had a pretty good year at Arkansas as a freshman but kinda fell off after

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On 2/19/2025 at 1:53 AM, campcrunk said:

Patrick Hudson and Mason Walters - These two kind of blend together for me for whatever reason. They may have not even played together. Idk, I've blocked a lot of that shit out. Anyway, I had visions of a power spread offense that just left defensive lineman broken and bleeding in its wake. Suffice to say, it did not work out that way. 

Mason Walters was late era Mack Brown and despite never being all-world, did start 50+ games.

Patrick Hudson got heatstroke’d by Tom Herman and was hospitalized with fried internal organs…never played again after that.

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23 hours ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

Didn't Pickryl show up with one busted shoulder then promptly destroyed the other? Don't know if he would have been much a force if he'd stayed healthy but would have been the token academic all-american each year.

I think it was the same shoulder. He came in with length but not mass, but was good enough to get DE snaps as a true freshman (we know how much Mack loved redshirting people). If he had put on the muscle, he could have been very productive, but the shoulder gave out and football was done.

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9 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

 

What about Mike Glennon?  #3 pro-style recruit in the nation and they couldn't find a picture.

 

3 hours ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

 

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4 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

You guys have shared a lot of great stories and names, but I want to see if anyone can top the Dre Jones story for sheer sadness. He was allegedly the first 5-star player to ever come out of El Paso and was ready to help the Longhorns reload for the 2007 season. By all reports, he was a top student in HS and the 3rd ranked DT in the country.   

Somehow, impossibly, during fall camp, he is implicated in an apartment robbery along with the infamous Robert Joseph. According to the Statesman, "Jones and Joseph stole cash, cellphones and video game equipment from the residents, according to court documents." Although he always claimed he wasn't at the scene of the crime, (see the Johntay Cook thread for more on this) he was unable to clear his name, pleaded guilty, served 30 days, and never played a down for the University of Texas. This was the summer of 'Book 'Em Horns', with seven players getting arrested. 

“There’s no doubt that he hooked up with the wrong crowd,” Payan said. “After (the arrest), he started to spiral out of control.”
Payan said Jones, who was no longer allowed to stay in the on-campus dormitory, had to “live out of his car. … It wasn’t a good situation for him.
Payan said he had very little contact with Jones after the player moved back to El Paso in the summer of 2008.
Jones, stripped of his athletic scholarship and possible bright future in college football, did not make a smooth transition back to his hometown.
“I always considered Andre mature for his age,” said Vanessa Burchett, who had known Jones since both were freshmen at Andress. “But I think being in Austin — a big city where he didn’t know anybody — he started hanging out with guys older than him. He wanted to be part of the crowd. In El Paso, he always stood out.”

He tried to play at UTEP, but was struck by a car and tore his knee ligaments. After a brief stint at Tarleton State, it was a steady downhill of drugs and depression. He was arrested for crack and cocaine possession in 2012. 

“Andre would go on binges for months to smoke weed,” O’Neal said. “I’d ask him, ‘What are you doing? You don’t have the heart to take this.’ ” On Aug. 17, 2012, Jones was arrested; El Paso police said they found 34 grams of crack cocaine in small bags in a bedroom at his home. The case was dismissed last April.

Sepkowitz and Meitler ( his former coaches) said Jones, a regular at the Andress field house while in high school, never sought their guidance after he returned from Austin. Meitler said Jones might have been “too embarrassed” to approach them after losing his opportunity to play for the Longhorns.

In 2014, he died of an overdose at age 24. 

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That’s very sad. I had forgotten about him and didn’t know he passed. 
is Robert Joseph still alive?

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18 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

That’s very sad. I had forgotten about him and didn’t know he passed. 
is Robert Joseph still alive?

Not sure. I can't find any updates on him. Amazingly, he was chased out of a car he was trying to steal by an Austin policeman/security guard, then ran into another car he then attempted to steal. Say what you want, but dude was committed. Amazingly, after all the trouble he got in at UT, Texas Southern offered him a slot.  

Joseph already had two juvenile misdemeanors on his record when he arrived at Texas in 2006. He played as a freshman but was suspended from the team after he was arrested in June 2007 for burglarizing cars at an Austin hotel parking lot, a Class A misdemeanor.

Less than a month later, after announcing he would leave Texas and transfer to another school, he was charged in July 2007 with aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon. Police said Joseph held a gun to the residents of an Austin apartment, including a 14-year-old, as he and teammate Andre Jones of El Paso took cash, cellular phones, a laptop and video game equipment. A third player was charged with retaliation and tampering with evidence.

 

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Let's see what Robert Joseph is up to these days:

 

Groves driver pulled over, police find drugs, gun & 5-month-old child

Published 11:26 pm Friday, October 22, 2021  By PA News    

A Groves man who police said had ecstasy, meth, more than $7,000 in cash and a gun while driving with an infant was indicted this week by a Jefferson County grand jury.  

Robert Felix Joseph Jr., 34, was indicted for unlawful possession of firearm by a felon and as of Friday remained in the Jefferson County Correctional Facility on multiple charges.  

According to a probable cause affidavit, on June 1, Groves police were dispatched to Beverly Place Apartments, 5307 Gulfway Drive for multiple calls of shots fired.

As they arrived in the area, they reportedly saw a vehicle leaving and the car’s front license plate improperly mounted on the front dash inside the vehicle. 

This led officers to make a traffic stop, where they noted the driver, identified as Robert Felix Joseph Jr., had a marijuana joint behind his right ear and the vehicle smelled like marijuana.  

Inside the rear of the vehicle in a car seat was a 5-month-old infant.  Police said the man was evasive in answering questions and refused to exit the car when told to so.

One of the officers assisted him out of the vehicle. They patted him down and handcuffed him due to his alleged erratic behavior.  

Because the joint was reportedly found behind Joseph’s ear, officers had probable cause to search the vehicle. Inside the car was a 9mm handgun, which the man was prohibited to possess since he had previously been convicted of a felony.  

A brown paper bag in the coin compartment held multiple pills identified as ecstasy and methamphetamine and there were multiple small empty clear plastic baggies in the car, the document read.  

Joseph was arrested. As he was walking inside the jail, the officer looked down at the man’s shoes and reportedly saw his socks were bulging.  The bulge was, according to police, money.

One amount was folded and the other held together with a rubber band — all of which totaled $7,260.  

According to the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office, Joseph was still in custody on Friday on a charge of felon in possession of a firearm with a $15,000 bond, abandon/endangering child with bond of $10,000, manufacture/delivery of a controlled substance warrant with a 50,000 bond and aggravated assault family violence with a $200,000 bond.  

An indictment is not a final conviction of guilt; it is only a ruling by the grand jury that allows the district attorney’s office to proceed with a criminal case.  

https://www.panews.com/2021/10/22/pd-groves-driver-had-drugs-gun-5-month-old-child/

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Posted
2 hours ago, Beer Drinker said:

Desean Hales

Erick Fowler - that clip of him body slamming an OL in a 1v1 in some camp was awesome

Lawrence Richardson - wanted that dude at UT so bad. Think he had a pretty good year at Arkansas as a freshman but kinda fell off after

Next year is the year Hales 

What was the name of the OL from Grand Prairie that ended up sucking here? Thought that dude was going the be the shit  

 

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22 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Let's see what Robert Joseph is up to these days:

 

Groves driver pulled over, police find drugs, gun & 5-month-old child

Published 11:26 pm Friday, October 22, 2021  By PA News    

A Groves man who police said had ecstasy, meth, more than $7,000 in cash and a gun while driving with an infant was indicted this week by a Jefferson County grand jury.  

Robert Felix Joseph Jr., 34, was indicted for unlawful possession of firearm by a felon and as of Friday remained in the Jefferson County Correctional Facility on multiple charges.  

According to a probable cause affidavit, on June 1, Groves police were dispatched to Beverly Place Apartments, 5307 Gulfway Drive for multiple calls of shots fired.

As they arrived in the area, they reportedly saw a vehicle leaving and the car’s front license plate improperly mounted on the front dash inside the vehicle. 

This led officers to make a traffic stop, where they noted the driver, identified as Robert Felix Joseph Jr., had a marijuana joint behind his right ear and the vehicle smelled like marijuana.  

Inside the rear of the vehicle in a car seat was a 5-month-old infant.  Police said the man was evasive in answering questions and refused to exit the car when told to so.

One of the officers assisted him out of the vehicle. They patted him down and handcuffed him due to his alleged erratic behavior.  

Because the joint was reportedly found behind Joseph’s ear, officers had probable cause to search the vehicle. Inside the car was a 9mm handgun, which the man was prohibited to possess since he had previously been convicted of a felony.  

A brown paper bag in the coin compartment held multiple pills identified as ecstasy and methamphetamine and there were multiple small empty clear plastic baggies in the car, the document read.  

Joseph was arrested. As he was walking inside the jail, the officer looked down at the man’s shoes and reportedly saw his socks were bulging.  The bulge was, according to police, money.

One amount was folded and the other held together with a rubber band — all of which totaled $7,260.  

According to the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office, Joseph was still in custody on Friday on a charge of felon in possession of a firearm with a $15,000 bond, abandon/endangering child with bond of $10,000, manufacture/delivery of a controlled substance warrant with a 50,000 bond and aggravated assault family violence with a $200,000 bond.  

An indictment is not a final conviction of guilt; it is only a ruling by the grand jury that allows the district attorney’s office to proceed with a criminal case.  

https://www.panews.com/2021/10/22/pd-groves-driver-had-drugs-gun-5-month-old-child/

The thread subject is biggest busts as a player, not biggest busts by law enforcement.

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5 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

You guys have shared a lot of great stories and names, but I want to see if anyone can top the Dre Jones story for sheer sadness. He was allegedly the first 5-star player to ever come out of El Paso and was ready to help the Longhorns reload for the 2007 season. By all reports, he was a top student in HS and the 3rd ranked DT in the country.   

Somehow, impossibly, during fall camp, he is implicated in an apartment robbery along with the infamous Robert Joseph. According to the Statesman, "Jones and Joseph stole cash, cellphones and video game equipment from the residents, according to court documents." Although he always claimed he wasn't at the scene of the crime, (see the Johntay Cook thread for more on this) he was unable to clear his name, pleaded guilty, served 30 days, and never played a down for the University of Texas. This was the summer of 'Book 'Em Horns', with seven players getting arrested. 

“There’s no doubt that he hooked up with the wrong crowd,” Payan said. “After (the arrest), he started to spiral out of control.”
Payan said Jones, who was no longer allowed to stay in the on-campus dormitory, had to “live out of his car. … It wasn’t a good situation for him.
Payan said he had very little contact with Jones after the player moved back to El Paso in the summer of 2008.
Jones, stripped of his athletic scholarship and possible bright future in college football, did not make a smooth transition back to his hometown.
“I always considered Andre mature for his age,” said Vanessa Burchett, who had known Jones since both were freshmen at Andress. “But I think being in Austin — a big city where he didn’t know anybody — he started hanging out with guys older than him. He wanted to be part of the crowd. In El Paso, he always stood out.”

He tried to play at UTEP, but was struck by a car and tore his knee ligaments. After a brief stint at Tarleton State, it was a steady downhill of drugs and depression. He was arrested for crack and cocaine possession in 2012. 

“Andre would go on binges for months to smoke weed,” O’Neal said. “I’d ask him, ‘What are you doing? You don’t have the heart to take this.’ ” On Aug. 17, 2012, Jones was arrested; El Paso police said they found 34 grams of crack cocaine in small bags in a bedroom at his home. The case was dismissed last April.

Sepkowitz and Meitler ( his former coaches) said Jones, a regular at the Andress field house while in high school, never sought their guidance after he returned from Austin. Meitler said Jones might have been “too embarrassed” to approach them after losing his opportunity to play for the Longhorns.

In 2014, he died of an overdose at age 24. 

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Rufus Brown was a higher ranked 4 star in the late 90's out of El Paso. He signed with FSU and Bowden with Mack Brown, early in his tenure, finishing second. He started for years on the FSU late-Bowden top 5 teams. Jones was never a 5 star. 

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1 hour ago, TreatyOak said:

Wasn't he the son of a mother...with children? 

Something like that. Jenny Carlson kinda had it coming though, it really was a bs article.

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1 hour ago, TreatyOak said:

Not sure. I can't find any updates on him. Amazingly, he was chased out of a car he was trying to steal by an Austin policeman/security guard, then ran into another car he then attempted to steal. Say what you want, but dude was committed. Amazingly, after all the trouble he got in at UT, Texas Southern offered him a slot.  

Joseph already had two juvenile misdemeanors on his record when he arrived at Texas in 2006. He played as a freshman but was suspended from the team after he was arrested in June 2007 for burglarizing cars at an Austin hotel parking lot, a Class A misdemeanor.

Less than a month later, after announcing he would leave Texas and transfer to another school, he was charged in July 2007 with aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon. Police said Joseph held a gun to the residents of an Austin apartment, including a 14-year-old, as he and teammate Andre Jones of El Paso took cash, cellular phones, a laptop and video game equipment. A third player was charged with retaliation and tampering with evidence.

 

good kids who graduate

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On 2/18/2025 at 3:13 PM, Caver60 said:

Jason Burleson.

I was really excited to receive a subscription to Robert Heard's Inside Texas newsletter (an actual snail mail, paper newsletter about UT sports) for my birthday back in 1987 or 1988. Heard talked Burleson up something fierce. Listed him at 6'7", explained how that height was going to produce a QB the likes of which the world had never seen. Pretty sure he ended up at TE and never really did much.

That's mine.  He was from Sherman, which was in my high school's district.  He honestly wasn't that great as a QB when we played him, but he hung about 45 on us in basketball one game.

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4 hours ago, Beer Drinker said:

Erick Fowler - that clip of him body slamming an OL in a 1v1 in some camp was awesome

I remember starting a thread on TOS, "Which signee are you most excited about?" from that class.

I was most excited about Fowler and Chris Daniels from Trinity.   

That's kind of why I gave up on following recruiting.

 

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8 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I remember seeing the Deon Beasley spring clips and thinking he was going to be the next great corner for us. :(

My town's team (with Buck Burnette) beat his West Orange-Stark team in the state semis Beasley's senior year.  I remember telling everyone that Beasley wasn't that great, but WOS had a junior who was much better.  Earl Thomas.

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1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

My town's team (with Buck Burnette) beat his West Orange-Stark team in the state semis Beasley's senior year.  I remember telling everyone that Beasley wasn't that great, but WOS had a junior who was much better.  Earl Thomas.

I played in an All-Star game with yall state title QB.

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On 2/19/2025 at 11:54 AM, TreatyOak said:

One great non-Texas edition: 

Tate Martell:

From commitments to University of Washington, Texas A&M, then playing at Ohio State, Miami, and finally UNLV, Martell never reached his expectations and never made much of an impact, and really didn't even play that much. He was definitely a "peaked in HS" type. He also famously switched to WR at Miami, and was also suspended at the beginning of the 2020 season. He appeared in only two games at UNLV with one pass attempt during the 2021 season due to injury. 

Could playing at Bishop Gorman with all the talent around him have covered up his deficiencies, or was he just unable to grasp the faster college game? 

I think he came in at a time where he seemed to play just like Johnny Manziel and people thought he would just be the next Johnny. The same thing caused me to think Jake Smith was going to be the next Jordan Shipley.

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