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Is this a clue that Andre Jones was actually innocent and a victim of mistaken identity ,as he always claimed?

"The Austin American-Statesman reported that police may have actually been seeking James Henry back in July when they arrested Andre Jones. When Robert Joseph was arrested, police said they were "police are still looking for a black man, described as 6-2 and weighing more than 220 pounds".[17] One week later they arrested Jones, who was 6-foot-5 and 295 pounds. The Austin American-Statesman reported "That discrepancy led to some questions about possible mistaken identity regarding Jones in the days after his arrest. Now it appears that police were looking for Henry, who was listed at 6-foot-2 and 200 pounds."[17] Henry had been questioned and released on the day of the robbery.[17]"

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2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I played in an All-Star game with yall state title QB.

2005?  That kid didn't throw well and didn't run well, but he just never made mistakes and was tough as hell.  He broke a couple of ribs in the last game of the regular season and hid it till after state.

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1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

2005?  That kid didn't throw well and didn't run well, but he just never made mistakes and was tough as hell.  He broke a couple of ribs in the last game of the regular season and hid it till after state.

Yeah. He was a really good dude. We stayed connected and for about 3-4 years afterward.

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4 hours ago, Fondren & Main said:

Let's see what Robert Joseph is up to these days:

 

Groves driver pulled over, police find drugs, gun & 5-month-old child

Published 11:26 pm Friday, October 22, 2021  By PA News    

A Groves man who police said had ecstasy, meth, more than $7,000 in cash and a gun while driving with an infant was indicted this week by a Jefferson County grand jury.  

Robert Felix Joseph Jr., 34, was indicted for unlawful possession of firearm by a felon and as of Friday remained in the Jefferson County Correctional Facility on multiple charges.  

According to a probable cause affidavit, on June 1, Groves police were dispatched to Beverly Place Apartments, 5307 Gulfway Drive for multiple calls of shots fired.

As they arrived in the area, they reportedly saw a vehicle leaving and the car’s front license plate improperly mounted on the front dash inside the vehicle. 

This led officers to make a traffic stop, where they noted the driver, identified as Robert Felix Joseph Jr., had a marijuana joint behind his right ear and the vehicle smelled like marijuana.  

Inside the rear of the vehicle in a car seat was a 5-month-old infant.  Police said the man was evasive in answering questions and refused to exit the car when told to so.

One of the officers assisted him out of the vehicle. They patted him down and handcuffed him due to his alleged erratic behavior.  

Because the joint was reportedly found behind Joseph’s ear, officers had probable cause to search the vehicle. Inside the car was a 9mm handgun, which the man was prohibited to possess since he had previously been convicted of a felony.  

A brown paper bag in the coin compartment held multiple pills identified as ecstasy and methamphetamine and there were multiple small empty clear plastic baggies in the car, the document read.  

Joseph was arrested. As he was walking inside the jail, the officer looked down at the man’s shoes and reportedly saw his socks were bulging.  The bulge was, according to police, money.

One amount was folded and the other held together with a rubber band — all of which totaled $7,260.  

According to the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office, Joseph was still in custody on Friday on a charge of felon in possession of a firearm with a $15,000 bond, abandon/endangering child with bond of $10,000, manufacture/delivery of a controlled substance warrant with a 50,000 bond and aggravated assault family violence with a $200,000 bond.  

An indictment is not a final conviction of guilt; it is only a ruling by the grand jury that allows the district attorney’s office to proceed with a criminal case.  

https://www.panews.com/2021/10/22/pd-groves-driver-had-drugs-gun-5-month-old-child/

I'm genuinely surprised he is still alive. Doesn't sound like he's learned too much since his reign of terror at UT. 

I wonder if there was a scene of Mack chewing the fuck out of the recruiting person who brought him in. Mack had to apologize in public on behalf of the football team, haha. I bet there was hell to pay for plenty of guys. 

"I would like to apologize from our staff, players, and our coaches to the administration of The University of Texas, the athletic department, the student body, and our fans for the incidents that have happened this summer. It is something that we are not proud of, but I can promise you it is also not indicative of who this team really is. This team is as good a group of young men that we have ever coached, and they will continue to move forward after today and prove that on and off the field. At a time where we have had extra things happen outside of football that we are not proud of, I want to make sure that everyone understands that there are so many more young men on this team that will have the opportunity to show their class as well."

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2 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

Is this a clue that Andre Jones was actually innocent and a victim of mistaken identity ,as he always claimed?

"The Austin American-Statesman reported that police may have actually been seeking James Henry back in July when they arrested Andre Jones. When Robert Joseph was arrested, police said they were "police are still looking for a black man, described as 6-2 and weighing more than 220 pounds".[17] One week later they arrested Jones, who was 6-foot-5 and 295 pounds. The Austin American-Statesman reported "That discrepancy led to some questions about possible mistaken identity regarding Jones in the days after his arrest. Now it appears that police were looking for Henry, who was listed at 6-foot-2 and 200 pounds."[17] Henry had been questioned and released on the day of the robbery.[17]"

We’ll never know, but it wouldn’t be the first time the Austin police got the wrong guy. 

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On 2/18/2025 at 1:03 PM, oldalum said:

there was some guy in the hornfans era, I think he was from louisiana or se texas. didnt make it on grades, went to juco got his grades up and was coming back to Texas but got murdered. anyone recall ?

 

I think you’re combining a couple of recruits here. Alfio Randall was an OL from Yates that ended up at Blinn after signing with Texas and ended up coming to Texas. Paul Broussard was a DT from La Porte in the same class (1999) that signed with LSU, but ended up at Blinn. He transferred to Mississippi State, but was killed in a gas station parking lot in Mississippi on his way to move in.

And my nominee for biggest bust is Ben Gay. That guy was a monster in high school at Spring. Thought he and Odell James would both be really fucking good at Baylor, but I was wrong. 

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As for biggest Horns busts, Marcel Moses has to be #1 for me. He was a DT from Texas City that signed with Texas, and I’ll swear to the day I die that when we played them, he was the best player on the field as a sophomore on a defense that had seniors Jermaine Anderson, Ervis Hill, Tyrone Jones, and Everick Rawls. He went JUCO and never put it together and ended up at Midwestern State or some shit.  I was sure he was Warren Sapp’s long lost baby brother.

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On 2/19/2025 at 6:57 AM, WBT said:

Simms doesn't belong anywhere near this kind of list but 20 years later a certain segment of the fanbase still can't resist the urge to shit on him any chance thry get.

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Post his stats as a starter against teams ranked #10 or higher…

Posted
18 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

Is this a clue that Andre Jones was actually innocent and a victim of mistaken identity ,as he always claimed?

"The Austin American-Statesman reported that police may have actually been seeking James Henry back in July when they arrested Andre Jones. When Robert Joseph was arrested, police said they were "police are still looking for a black man, described as 6-2 and weighing more than 220 pounds".[17] One week later they arrested Jones, who was 6-foot-5 and 295 pounds. The Austin American-Statesman reported "That discrepancy led to some questions about possible mistaken identity regarding Jones in the days after his arrest. Now it appears that police were looking for Henry, who was listed at 6-foot-2 and 200 pounds."[17] Henry had been questioned and released on the day of the robbery.[17]"

Poster in the Johntay thread was a victim of one of the robberies Joseph and Jones committed. He confirmed Jones himself pistol whipped his dog during the incident. Not a case of mistaken identity, just a piece of shit claiming to be innocent. 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, bEastTexas said:

Poster in the Johntay thread was a victim of one of the robberies Joseph and Jones committed. He confirmed Jones himself pistol whipped his dog during the incident. Not a case of mistaken identity, just a piece of shit claiming to be innocent. 

Yes, I saw that, which is pretty amazing, and one of the most incredible posts on Surly Horns, if true. I would like to believe it is true since it adds a level of context we rarely see, but sharing the alt info since it has become part of the narrative.  

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1 minute ago, TreatyOak said:

Yes, I saw that, which is pretty amazing, and one of the most incredible posts on Surly Horns, if true. I would like to believe it is true since it adds a level of context we rarely see, but sharing the alt info since it has become part of the narrative.  

Henry was involved as well, believe he assaulted and tried to intimidate one of the witnesses. It sounds like there were multiple robberies committed, could be a case of Joseph/Jones committed one and Joseph/Henry committed another. 

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On 2/20/2025 at 12:06 PM, Murfdogg21 said:

I think it was the same shoulder. He came in with length but not mass, but was good enough to get DE snaps as a true freshman (we know how much Mack loved redshirting people). If he had put on the muscle, he could have been very productive, but the shoulder gave out and football was done.

Pickryl and Williams were both pass rushing badasses.  Pickryl had 4.5 sacks and 8 TFLs as a part time player and true freshman.  He was going to be special.  Michael Williams was a Von Miller type pass rusher.  He was elite.  6 sacks as a part timer his sophomore year.

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15 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

He was better than Applewhite

They were about the same.  And neither was ever a great player. Never understood arguing one was better than the other.  Neither were good enough to win a championship.

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13 minutes ago, bEastTexas said:

Henry was involved as well, believe he assaulted and tried to intimidate one of the witnesses. It sounds like there were multiple robberies committed, could be a case of Joseph/Jones committed one and Joseph/Henry committed another. 

Jeez. What a bunch of bad news losers they were. 

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Despite my claims otherwise, I have to admit that this thread is a whole lot less sad now than it would have been three or four years ago.

This has ranged all over, from guys who did despicable stuff to guys who did stupid stuff and guys who just never lived up to the lofty expectations that come from being a Texas football player. 

Wonder if the players ever get together in Jester now and say, "Damn that @TreatyOak. And man, that Hayduke. What an asshole." 

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Posted (edited)
26 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Romance will forever be the what could have been. 

That's pretty much the way I've always felt about it. 😁

On the other hand, there will always be that one-season stand we had together with Taylor. Scored 15 times, if I recall correctly. It was beautiful, especially the comeback against Oklahoma State, the crazy run out of the end zone in Columbus, and the touchdown against USC.

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Edwin Simmons broke my heart.  His running stride made defenders look like they were standing still.  I still remember watching his TD kickoff return in person.  He looked like Darth Vader with his helmet on.  So much potential, sad knees.

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52 minutes ago, Domedriver said:

Edwin Simmons broke my heart.  His running stride made defenders look like they were standing still.  I still remember watching his TD kickoff return in person.  He looked like Darth Vader with his helmet on.  So much potential, sad knees.

Yeah I was sitting on the floor in Jester East playing Donovan Pitts some Atari and heard this voice like James Earl Jones and looked up and Edwin was towering over behind me. He was imposing as hell. I think he ended up selling cars somewhere…when he was wearing clothes.

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