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1 minute ago, Red Five said:

He won’t be running again, so he doesn’t give a shit. And he’s letting the people who gave him a bunch of money run the country into the ground the best way they see fit.

Correct.

Because in times of absolute economic crashes and carnage, there is exactly ONE class of people who do well: those with loads of money.  They can go out and buy distressed properties (in this case, up to and including US National Parks and other Federal installations) for pennies on the dollar.

The current plan is, quite simply, a plan to deliver ownership of massive swaths of the US, including the US government itself, to a handful of billionaires.  I'm not making that up.  The billionaires have literally said that's their plan (read up on fucking Curtis Yarvin).

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15 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I'm genuinely a bit baffled by Trump's strategy here.  His first term it seemed like he almost cared too much about the market and let it dictate policy.   This time, he's hitting like 1000 buttons at once knowing damn well how the market would react.   I think you might could make a decent economic argument for a measured approach as it relates to tariffs, or slashing government spending/workforce, again, in a thought out and measured way (after spending several months evaluating options). And maybe you do one or the other or both but not also at the same time you have blown up long standing international alliances.   He just hitting all these levers at once right after winning the election by making the impossible promise to the mass idiots that he would somehow reverse inflation, lower interest rates but also keep the market and economy at large booming.  That was obviously never going to happen.  But from a strategy standpoint, is he just trying to blow it all up so he can try to blame it on Biden then take the credit for a recovery 2-3 years from now?  I honestly thought the tariff nonsense was always just talk but maybe not.  Interesting times. 

I'm sure I'll just get a bunch of emotional cloak room responses but curious if anyone has non-emotional "fuck trump" thoughts.

Occam's razor:  The simpliest answer is likely the correct one. He's a narcissitic dolt who is deeply resentful of an imagined "elite" that rejects him, and doesn't really know what he's doing, but taking bold action fills an  emotional chasm even if only for a moment (in a sense recreating one of the two happy times in his life, The Apprentice (the other was his rise when Fred Trump was shadow managing his development of mid-town). There's other stuff, but at his core, he doesn't understand macro economics or the forces at play. LIke a 11th grade student who hasn't taken economics but taken American history, he thinks tariffs are good. 

 

People forget that for all the drama of his first term, he didn't actually accomplish all that much from a practical perspective that actually impacted the bulk of the electorate's daily lives. He signed a tax cut that he had virtually no role in writing. He managed to get a few hundred miles of wall built. He got a covid vaccine into production in rapid fashion (i'll give him credit where credit is due), and the stock market mostly grew, or rapidly came back post March 2020. His attempts to radically change America mostly flamed out: either due to staff incompetency, or adults in the room thwarting him. Only post election 2020 did the real angry Trump grab the reigns and start implementing what you and I would call a basket of crazy. 

Now he's unbound and surrounded by syncophants and enablers who know, mostly, how to enact his agenda.  And we are getting it. All at once, without lube. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Kind of what I'm getting at.   The one predictable thing about Trump is he hated stock market losses.  It's why he was going so crazy at the beginning of Covid because it was out of his control (remember the 'stop testing' line as the market was crashing).  Someone convinced him to ignore the one thing we always thought he cared about.

Maybe he's trying to corner the frozen orange juice market.

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14 minutes ago, Red Five said:

He won’t be running again, so he doesn’t give a shit. And he’s letting the people who gave him a bunch of money run the country into the ground the best way they see fit.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/03/stock-market-today-live-updates.html

 

 

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A Citibank corporate logo hangs on the side of a building in front of the CN Tower on July 31, 2023, in Toronto, Canada.

 

I'm no longer amazed that he lies like this, but continue to just be shocked that 80M people are okay with it and that an entire political party just shrugs it off. Why? Just, what good does it do to blatantly lie about easily provable shit? So many fucking cowards in this country.

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

I don't think this is actually correct. It's true that the Dems' decision to abandon labor a generation ago was politically disastrous for them and the country, but the anti-trans hysteria (and the misogyny and racism) isn't driven by poor people. It's driven by the fascist gentry. These people are not struggling workers, they're financially comfortable and more importantly, they're very bored. They try to relieve that boredom by hallucinating about people they don't like threatening them and what they see as their rightful place in American society. Even if we had less wage and wealth disparity overall, these people would still be doing that. They would just hopefully find less purchase for some of their dumber conspiracy theories among other classes, but at this point I'm not even really sure that would be the case. 

thanks for the link. i'll check it out, you are correct some will always care.... I think our fellow citizens really wouldn't care at the level that is required to legislate like they are now. but I could be wrong.

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31 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Occam's razor:  The simpliest answer is likely the correct one. He's a narcissitic dolt who is deeply resentful of an imagined "elite" that rejects him, and doesn't really know what he's doing, but taking bold action fills an  emotional chasm even if only for a moment (in a sense recreating one of the two happy times in his life, The Apprentice (the other was his rise when Fred Trump was shadow managing his development of mid-town). There's other stuff, but at his core, he doesn't understand macro economics or the forces at play. LIke a 11th grade student who hasn't taken economics but taken American history, he thinks tariffs are good.

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Just now, 'stache said:

I'm no longer amazed that he lies like this, but continue to just be shocked that 80M people are okay with it and that an entire political party just shrugs it off. Why? Just, what good does it do to blatantly lie about easily provable shit? So many fucking cowards in this country.

They’ve all learned to justify his lies by, “what President Trump really means is ________” followed by a slightly more reasonable answer from their pov. Of course they employ the opposite logic with Dems. If Harris says she supports trans rights, it must mean that she will use tax payer funds for gender reassignment surgery for preteens during the school day without parental approval or even notification.

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3 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

It seems to me like Mexico is doing everything it can to stop the trafficking of Fentanyl to the US but it's still not good enough for Dotard. It's stupid to think Mexico has the resources to do everything the US can do.

Mexico to impose retaliatory tariffs on US following China and Canada as trade war heats up | AP News

They wouldn't have to stop it if American's weren't gobbling it up like candy. Where's the outrage about American demand for this shit? 

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1 minute ago, 'stache said:

They wouldn't have to stop it if American's weren't gobbling it up like candy. Where's the outrage about American demand for this shit? 

It's over there with the outrage about American demand for undocumented labor.

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53 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I'm genuinely a bit baffled by Trump's strategy here.  His first term it seemed like he almost cared too much about the market and let it dictate policy.   This time, he's hitting like 1000 buttons at once knowing damn well how the market would react.   I think you might could make a decent economic argument for a measured approach as it relates to tariffs, or slashing government spending/workforce, again, in a thought out and measured way (after spending several months evaluating options). And maybe you do one or the other or both but not also at the same time you have blown up long standing international alliances.   He just hitting all these levers at once right after winning the election by making the impossible promise to the mass idiots that he would somehow reverse inflation, lower interest rates but also keep the market and economy at large booming.  That was obviously never going to happen.  But from a strategy standpoint, is he just trying to blow it all up so he can try to blame it on Biden then take the credit for a recovery 2-3 years from now?  I honestly thought the tariff nonsense was always just talk but maybe not.  Interesting times. 

I'm sure I'll just get a bunch of emotional cloak room responses but curious if anyone has non-emotional "fuck trump" thoughts.

 

37 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Occam's razor:  The simpliest answer is likely the correct one. He's a narcissitic dolt who is deeply resentful of an imagined "elite" that rejects him, and doesn't really know what he's doing, but taking bold action fills an  emotional chasm even if only for a moment (in a sense recreating one of the two happy times in his life, The Apprentice (the other was his rise when Fred Trump was shadow managing his development of mid-town). There's other stuff, but at his core, he doesn't understand macro economics or the forces at play. LIke a 11th grade student who hasn't taken economics but taken American history, he thinks tariffs are good. 

 

People forget that for all the drama of his first term, he didn't actually accomplish all that much from a practical perspective that actually impacted the bulk of the electorate's daily lives. He signed a tax cut that he had virtually no role in writing. He managed to get a few hundred miles of wall built. He got a covid vaccine into production in rapid fashion (i'll give him credit where credit is due), and the stock market mostly grew, or rapidly came back post March 2020. His attempts to radically change America mostly flamed out: either due to staff incompetency, or adults in the room thwarting him. Only post election 2020 did the real angry Trump grab the reigns and start implementing what you and I would call a basket of crazy. 

Now he's unbound and surrounded by syncophants and enablers who know, mostly, how to enact his agenda.  And we are getting it. All at once, without lube. 

Um, he's not even remotely hiding the ball on this shit. He wants to destabalize America for the benefit of Russia. Oh, also WWIII is a good thing because he can use the emergency to cancel elections. Notice how he expressly pointed that out about Ukraine? 

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7 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

It seems to me like Mexico is doing everything it can to stop the trafficking of Fentanyl to the US but it's still not good enough for Dotard. It's stupid to think Mexico has the resources to do everything the US can do.

Mexico to impose retaliatory tariffs on US following China and Canada as trade war heats up | AP News

Sheinbaum isn't going to announce until Sunday.  I suspect the Mexicans are trying to negiotate their way out of this and feel like they have stuff to give that could spare them.  I think Trump just hates Trudeau and is being a prick.  There is literally nothing the Canadians can do to satisfy him. 

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6 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

See Generals, New Jersey

Trump ruined the USFL because he wanted everyone to think the NFL wanted him as a NFL owner. That was a major part of USFL lawyer, picked by Trump, asking questions of the nfl commissioner, Pete rozelle. Rozelle testified that they never wanted or would want trump as an owner.

when the nfl lost the case, and $3 whole dollars, the NY Giants owner literally handed Trump 3 dollar bills.

trumps narcissism brought down that league along with some other weak owners.

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Just now, Bateshorn said:

There is literally nothing the Canadian's can do to satisfy him. 

That's one of the most enraging things about it -- it's not even a negotiation.  There's nothing sane he wants from Canada.

It's as if he slapped tariffs on Brisketexan until Brisketexan stops having threesomes with Sela Ward and Susanna Hoffs.  Ummm, I'm already not doing that, and have no prospects of doing that.....so.....what exactly do you want me to do here?

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1 minute ago, 'stache said:

 

Um, he's not even remotely hiding the ball on this shit. He wants to destabalize America for the benefit of Russia. Oh, also WWIII is a good thing because he can use the emergency to cancel elections. Notice how he expressly pointed that out about Ukraine? 

Quoting myself to add that he's doing it immediately because he has all three branches right now and will start talking war and emergency by the end of this year well before the midterm elections. A part of me still thinks he can't possibly pull it off but Congress is gutless and nothing would surprise me anymore. 

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

That's one of the most enraging things about it -- it's not even a negotiation.  There's nothing sane he wants from Canada.

It's as if he slapped tariffs on Brisketexan until Brisketexan stops having threesomes with Sela Ward and Susanna Hoffs.  Ummm, I'm already not doing that, and have no prospects of doing that.....so.....what exactly do you want me to do here?

When elected, I promise Sela Ward and Susanna Hoff threesomes for all. With Aubrey Plaza as your side piece. 

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1 minute ago, Bateshorn said:

When elected, I promise Sela Ward and Susanna Hoff threesomes for all. With Aubrey Plaza as your side piece. 

[Brisketexan, moving to the RGV so he can vote for Bateshorn multiple times]

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Posted
45 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

They can go out and buy distressed properties (in this case, up to and including US National Parks and other Federal installations) for pennies on the dollar.

How much is in the wreath fund? 

Surly should buy Big Bend. 

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1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Trump ruined the USFL because he wanted everyone to think the NFL wanted him as a NFL owner.

Exactly, they were the elite that rejected him. Buying an NFL franchise, contrary to what that fucking dumbass probably thought, isn't like going to 7-11 to get a pack of fucking gum. You have to make a showing to the rest of the NFL owners that you're financially capable of running a team. When all you do is use words like "bigly" in lieu of showing concrete numbers, they tend to just laugh your ass out of the fucking room. It's the same reason Rush Limbaugh's little group wasn't approved to buy the Rams some years back.

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

when the nfl lost the case, and $3 whole dollars, the NY Giants owner literally handed Trump 3 dollar bills.

What I was told was that he handed him a $5 bill and asked if he had change.

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

trumps narcissism brought down that league along with some other weak owners.

Well yeah, some of them could barely afford to keep the lights on and he promised them to the moon and the fucking stars. When they "won" that lawsuit, they never heard from his chickenshit little lying ass again. It amazes me that after almost 40 years, even one person could continue to fall for this shit.

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4 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Exactly, they were the elite that rejected him. Buying an NFL franchise, contrary to what that fucking dumbass probably thought, isn't like going to 7-11 to get a pack of fucking gum. You have to make a showing to the rest of the NFL owners that you're financially capable of running a team. When all you do is use words like "bigly" in lieu of showing concrete numbers, they tend to just laugh your ass out of the fucking room. It's the same reason Rush Limbaugh's little group wasn't approved to buy the Rams some years back.

And yet I would set the O/U on number of team owners who voted for Trump at 27.5 out of 31 since the Packers are owned by the community and I would be tempted to take the over.

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55 minutes ago, Skipper said:

 Someone convinced him to ignore the one thing we always thought he cared about.

No way he's ignoring Ivanka's tits

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

Trump is a total buffoon. We know this. I don't think he's calling the shots here, which is why I think the situation is far more dire. Somebody with some semblance of brains is doing all of this -- for a reason. What is that reason?

To isolate the US.  

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1 hour ago, Skipper said:

I'm genuinely a bit baffled by Trump's strategy here.  His first term it seemed like he almost cared too much about the market and let it dictate policy.   This time, he's hitting like 1000 buttons at once knowing damn well how the market would react.   I think you might could make a decent economic argument for a measured approach as it relates to tariffs, or slashing government spending/workforce, again, in a thought out and measured way (after spending several months evaluating options). And maybe you do one or the other or both but not also at the same time you have blown up long standing international alliances.   He just hitting all these levers at once right after winning the election by making the impossible promise to the mass idiots that he would somehow reverse inflation, lower interest rates but also keep the market and economy at large booming.  That was obviously never going to happen.  But from a strategy standpoint, is he just trying to blow it all up so he can try to blame it on Biden then take the credit for a recovery 2-3 years from now?  I honestly thought the tariff nonsense was always just talk but maybe not.  Interesting times. 

I'm sure I'll just get a bunch of emotional cloak room responses but curious if anyone has non-emotional "fuck trump" thoughts.

If you look at this through the lens of the goal being to destabilize the US, this all makes sense.  Trump is a stooge for the oligarchs, some combination of Putin, Thiel, Musk, and I'm sure others.  All of this is to get ego stroking from them.

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1 hour ago, Skipper said:

I'm genuinely a bit baffled by Trump's strategy here.  His first term it seemed like he almost cared too much about the market and let it dictate policy.   This time, he's hitting like 1000 buttons at once knowing damn well how the market would react.   I think you might could make a decent economic argument for a measured approach as it relates to tariffs, or slashing government spending/workforce, again, in a thought out and measured way (after spending several months evaluating options). And maybe you do one or the other or both but not also at the same time you have blown up long standing international alliances.   He just hitting all these levers at once right after winning the election by making the impossible promise to the mass idiots that he would somehow reverse inflation, lower interest rates but also keep the market and economy at large booming.  That was obviously never going to happen.  But from a strategy standpoint, is he just trying to blow it all up so he can try to blame it on Biden then take the credit for a recovery 2-3 years from now?  I honestly thought the tariff nonsense was always just talk but maybe not.  Interesting times. 

I'm sure I'll just get a bunch of emotional cloak room responses but curious if anyone has non-emotional "fuck trump" thoughts.

Most of it comes back to him not being very smart

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1 minute ago, WBT said:

Most of it comes back to him not being very smart

Maybe, or create so much anger and unrest he can justify a martial law declaration

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1 hour ago, Skipper said:

I'm genuinely a bit baffled by Trump's strategy here.  His first term it seemed like he almost cared too much about the market and let it dictate policy.   This time, he's hitting like 1000 buttons at once knowing damn well how the market would react.   I think you might could make a decent economic argument for a measured approach as it relates to tariffs, or slashing government spending/workforce, again, in a thought out and measured way (after spending several months evaluating options). And maybe you do one or the other or both but not also at the same time you have blown up long standing international alliances.   He just hitting all these levers at once right after winning the election by making the impossible promise to the mass idiots that he would somehow reverse inflation, lower interest rates but also keep the market and economy at large booming.  That was obviously never going to happen.  But from a strategy standpoint, is he just trying to blow it all up so he can try to blame it on Biden then take the credit for a recovery 2-3 years from now?  I honestly thought the tariff nonsense was always just talk but maybe not.  Interesting times. 

I'm sure I'll just get a bunch of emotional cloak room responses but curious if anyone has non-emotional "fuck trump" thoughts.

I know you reflexively think that any post that's less than gargling his balls is a "fuck trump" post, but genuinely - economic turmoil is the fulcrum on which a dictator seizes power. Trump NEEDS the economy to be shit. He campaigned on Biden having fucked it up - and it wasn't. So, he needs to do it himself

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1 hour ago, Bateshorn said:

Sheinbaum isn't going to announce until Sunday.  I suspect the Mexicans are trying to negiotate their way out of this and feel like they have stuff to give that could spare them.  I think Trump just hates Trudeau and is being a prick.  There is literally nothing the Canadians can do to satisfy him. 

 

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

That's one of the most enraging things about it -- it's not even a negotiation.  There's nothing sane he wants from Canada.

It's as if he slapped tariffs on Brisketexan until Brisketexan stops having threesomes with Sela Ward and Susanna Hoffs.  Ummm, I'm already not doing that, and have no prospects of doing that.....so.....what exactly do you want me to do here?

i saw a clip of Trudeau this morning re: the tariffs, he said Trump is specifically trying to destabilize Canada so they can more easily be annexed. some people laughed at the 51st state stuff but Trudeau has been taking it very seriously, as he should. 

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5 minutes ago, mchookem said:

 

i saw a clip of Trudeau this morning re: the tariffs, he said Trump is specifically trying to destabilize Canada so they can more easily be annexed. some people laughed at the 51st state stuff but Trudeau has been taking it very seriously, as he should. 

I would to. Trump doesn’t want Mexico, it fits his narrative of a “shit hole country.”  But the idea of Annexing Canada is very serious in his mind. 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

That's one of the most enraging things about it -- it's not even a negotiation.  There's nothing sane he wants from Canada.

It's as if he slapped tariffs on Brisketexan until Brisketexan stops having threesomes with Sela Ward and Susanna Hoffs.  Ummm, I'm already not doing that, and have no prospects of doing that.....so.....what exactly do you want me to do here?

"Just so you understand, vast amounts of Ward and Hoff threesome fantasies have poured out of Brisketexan's mind, and as you know, also flows to his hand and it goes to pecker at very high and unacceptable levels,” the president said.

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11 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

A self imposed worldwide great depression by a country that was leading the Western world in growth and stability. Has history ever seen such a thing on this scale?

It is so absurd, it might be comparable if Leonardo DiCaprio would've said, "you know, I've been slaying so much hot tail for so long, it seems like a good idea to cut off my penis and see how it goes."



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