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28 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Dumb motherfuckers

That was my thought while reading through that. People act like Dotard just showed up on the scene and OMG I had no idea it would be like this!

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3 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I have a 100 percent trade deficit with my supermarket, and not only that shopping there has cost my family jobs as field hands.  If I can shift all food production to my house, all profits, revenues, and jobs will stay in my house. 

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I wonder what Walmart thinks about this.

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20 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Y'all?

Your stupid fucking ass was 100% one of the fucking morons acting like it wasn't a big deal. You absolutely contributed to this by acting above it so you are part of the American public that you're decrying. You literally fucked yourself so congratulations. Insert a tired DJ Khaled gif about playing yourself here, you fucking idiot.

Protesteth much? If you're not y'all, then you're not y'all. 

But, yeah... It was me all along, supporting Trump by saying Trump ain't shit. 

He ain't shit and y'all still ain't gonna do shit. 

I'm played. 

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21 hours ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

First things first, you gotta keep the wife happy. Easiest way to keep her happy is to get her a boyfriend, but he has to be less charismatic than you and have a smaller penis than you. That's where I come in. 

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45 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I have a 100 percent trade deficit with my supermarket, and not only that shopping there has cost my family jobs as field hands.  If I can shift all food production to my house, all profits, revenues, and jobs will stay in my house. 

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Presidents did this?  Or wealthy CEOs looking to ever-lower costs in pursuit of keeping their graphs trending up and to the right?

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5 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Presidents did this?  Or wealthy CEOs looking to ever-lower costs in pursuit of keeping their graphs trending up and to the right?

How about American consumers did this? Consumers will always choose the cheaper alternative.

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19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The Trump administration is trying to turn back time.  All that they'll accomplish is wrecking shit that will take decades to repair.

This.  You can't put the globalization of the economy back in the tube.  You just can't.  It's impossible.  Without a time machine.

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I have a 100 percent trade deficit with my supermarket, and not only that shopping there has cost my family jobs as field hands.  If I can shift all food production to my house, all profits, revenues, and jobs will stay in my house. 

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"The Globalist days of FDR are coming to a close.  President Trump will bring those jobs back to the US of A, so that going forward, no American will be denied the opportunity to work in a sweatshop!"

- Karoline Leavitt (probably)

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I have a 100 percent trade deficit with my supermarket, and not only that shopping there has cost my family jobs as field hands.  If I can shift all food production to my house, all profits, revenues, and jobs will stay in my house. 

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Now ask her where that globalist Trump gets all his cheap hats/products made...

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5 minutes ago, hornmpa96 said:

How about American consumers did this? Consumers will always choose the cheaper alternative.

Cheaper alternatives for consumers only exist after a strategic decision is made by a corporate leadership to import cheaper alternatives.

5 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This.  You can't put the globalization of the economy back in the tube.  You just can't.  It's impossible.  Without a time machine.

It's not a literal time machine.  It's more of a prosperity time machine.   You make the average person's existence ugly enough to where they will accept the conditions you dictate to survive.

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3 hours ago, Red Five said:

That was my thought while reading through that. People act like Dotard just showed up on the scene and OMG I had no idea it would be like this!

That's the part that blows my mind. 2020 wasn't that long ago. If I forgot everything about Trump's last run the word CHAOS will stick with me. It was a slow rolling ball of shit that picked up speed over the entirety of his term. Not sure how anyone can look back and say "I want more of that!".

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55 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Over the last 50 years, your generic plastic army men (you know, these guys):

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Have been stamped the following things, in this order:

Made in Japan

Made in Taiwan, ROC

Made in China

Made in Vietnam (I think that's the new locale)

The point being that jobs in factories that make cheap injection molded plastic toys are NOT first-world country jobs; they move as economies develop.  We are never getting "cheap injection molded plastic toy jobs" back in the US....nor do we want them.  Because the choice is either a shit job paying a sub-par wage, or a job in American conditions paying a good wage, in which case your $5 bag of plastic army men just became a $15-$20 bag of plastic army men.

Now, do the same for plastic car parts, electronic components, etc. etc. ad infinitum.  

Americans DO NOT WANT THOSE JOBS.  How do we know?  Well we can look around at OTHER really hard, low-wage jobs: picking strawberries, installing roofs, working low-level construction jobs....and see that Americans don't want those jobs, either.  That's why millions of hard working brown people are doing them.  AND.....American consumers don't want to pay for goods, products, and services at the high prices that would follow such jobs paying the wage necessary to draw Americans.  If you hated $7 eggs, you're REALLY gonna hate $8 lettuce, and $10 strawberries, and a new house that costs $300k instead of $240k.

You can bring back 90,000 cheap injection molded plastic toy factories.....not one job will result.

Or you can force the issue...and the factories will still close, because nobody is gonna buy the $20 bag of plastic army men.

Sure, there are some manufacturing opportunities and jobs that can and should exist in the US.  And yes, globalization has left some people behind.  But what is happening here is the elevation to god-like status of "mediocre white men." What, oh WHAT will we do with all of our mediocre white men?  We yell at EVERYONE ELSE to "better themselves...learn to code!" and all that shit.  But for mediocre white men?  Nope, they should stay EXACTLY as they are, and we should just jump into a time machine to take us back to a time when 1) we had the the only major economy left standing after WWII, thus making us a manufacturing center, and 2) they didn't even have to compete for most of the decent manufacturing jobs because minorities and women largely need not apply.

The Trump administration is trying to turn back time.  All that they'll accomplish is wrecking shit that will take decades to repair.  Fucking idiots.

 

The bolded cannot be stated enough. Dumb MAGA that I talk to always talk about how tariffs will bring back manufacturing. No it won't. A lot has changed since the 1970's. First and foremost, the salaries of the men sitting around the big table at these corporations has multiplied by eleventybillion. Good luck convincing the CEO, COO, and CFO at these companies that six figures is still a respectable salary. Couple that with the fact that no American is working for 3 dollars an hour. That ship has sailed on most products, and like you said, those products will move locations as countries begin to raise their living wage standards.

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1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Bill Clinton's signature notwithstanding, can anyone tell the class which party was responsible for NAFTA?

Anyone? Anyone?

The Whigs?

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2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I have a 100 percent trade deficit with my supermarket, and not only that shopping there has cost my family jobs as field hands.  If I can shift all food production to my house, all profits, revenues, and jobs will stay in my house. 

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If this was really his intent, there are two things that he's doing that he wouldn't be doing. 

1) He wouldn't be demanding things in return (ie, stop fentanyl, lol).

2) He wouldn't be backtracking and removing tariffs right away- or in some cases never implementing them in the first place.

If I was a CEO of a corporation with production in Canada, and was convinced that Trump was intent on doing what the quote above attributes as his intent, I could act on that.  I wouldn't like it, but the mandate would be clear.  As it is though, why in the hell would I start the years long process of building a new billion dollar plant in Cleveland when the impetus for doing so could very well be null and void before the board meeting is over?

 

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The other issue is the authority he is using under the National Emergencies Act can be revoked by Congress in an expedited fashion and without his signature. Of course the House GOP cucked it self for this year and blocked an effort to force a congressional vote, 

but the uncertainty question remains. You can’t build an industrial policy on the back of an economics provision designed to give President’s short term economic powers. Sure companies will say all the right things. But I’m not actually going to put real money into a factory in Cleveland under such an impermanent policy.

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So we actually have people stupid enough to think corporations will stop outsourcing jobs to cheaper labor markets? Seriously? Can't fucking wait to see that.

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1 hour ago, TexasHooch said:

If this was really his intent, there are two things that he's doing that he wouldn't be doing. 

1) He wouldn't be demanding things in return (ie, stop fentanyl, lol).

2) He wouldn't be backtracking and removing tariffs right away- or in some cases never implementing them in the first place.

If I was a CEO of a corporation with production in Canada, and was convinced that Trump was intent on doing what the quote above attributes as his intent, I could act on that.  I wouldn't like it, but the mandate would be clear.  As it is though, why in the hell would I start the years long process of building a new billion dollar plant in Cleveland when the impetus for doing so could very well be null and void before the board meeting is over?

 

Yeah, tariffs to protect domestic industry, unless targeted against specific misbehavior, like dumping, is a very long game.  It probably hasn't ever brought jobs back to a nation, but if it did, it would take 20 years.  Twenty painful, costly years.

And, as Bates wisely points out, the timeframe and (un)certainty is such that the required domestic investment just isn't going to happen.

It's gonna be whack-a-mole for foreign manufacturing.

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1 hour ago, Bateshorn said:

The other issue is the authority he is using under the National Emergencies Act can be revoked by Congress in an expedited fashion and without his signature. Of course the House GOP cucked it self for this year and blocked an effort to force a congressional vote, 

but the uncertainty question remains. You can’t build an industrial policy on the back of an economics provision designed to give President’s short term economic powers. Sure companies will say all the right things. But I’m not actually going to put real money into a factory in Cleveland under such an impermanent policy.

I don’t know, there are some really shit stupid CEOs out there.

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31 minutes ago, Okie State said:

So we actually have people stupid enough to think corporations will stop outsourcing jobs to cheaper labor markets? Seriously? Can't fucking wait to see that.

 

Well, you see, that's today's message.  Tomorrow's will be something else, like "America needs to have some suffering first".

 

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4 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Bill Clinton's signature notwithstanding, can anyone tell the class which party was responsible for NAFTA?

Anyone? Anyone?

It's fucking bizarro world.  Trump hammered Obama/Hillary over TPP in the leadup to the 2016 election and then pulled all his buffoonery with tariffs and backing out of NAFTA the first time.  Just one of many ways  he completely went against what the party was supposed to stand for and the spineless Rs all fell in line.

2 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

The other issue is the authority he is using under the National Emergencies Act can be revoked by Congress in an expedited fashion and without his signature. Of course the House GOP cucked it self for this year and blocked an effort to force a congressional vote, 

but the uncertainty question remains. You can’t build an industrial policy on the back of an economics provision designed to give President’s short term economic powers. Sure companies will say all the right things. But I’m not actually going to put real money into a factory in Cleveland under such an impermanent policy.

It would have been nice if Biden and the Ds would have reined in presidential power to unilaterally enact tariffs when they had control of congress.  Not only did they not, they actually left a lot of Trump's tariffs in place.  Apparently there's no party of free trade in America any more.

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11 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

The other issue is the authority he is using under the National Emergencies Act can be revoked by Congress in an expedited fashion and without his signature. Of course the House GOP cucked it self for this year and blocked an effort to force a congressional vote, 

but the uncertainty question remains. You can’t build an industrial policy on the back of an economics provision designed to give President’s short term economic powers. Sure companies will say all the right things. But I’m not actually going to put real money into a factory in Cleveland under such an impermanent policy.

An authoritarian? Using emergency powers to cement their hold over a former democracy??

i made something GIF

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16 hours ago, Goredho said:

Cheaper alternatives for consumers only exist after a strategic decision is made by a corporate leadership to import cheaper alternatives.

It's both. My grandmother, who was all about the anti China rhetoric during the first Turnip go round, shops at Walmart like it's a fucking sport.

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On 3/11/2025 at 9:00 PM, wildcat09 said:

I member when slacks was saying the Senate couldn’t vote to impeach him after 1/6.

I read that in financial times.

Also this is the tag from the track suit I just bought. Yes I wear track suits now because I've given up on life.

 

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10 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

I read that in financial times.

Also this is the tag from the track suit I just bought. Yes I wear track suits now because I've given up on life.

 

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Just now, G650 said:

It's both. My grandmother, who was all about the anti China rhetoric during the first Turnip go round, shops at Walmart like it's a fucking sport.

 

Eh, the disappearance of manufacturing jobs in the U.S. is not because someone in 2016 is buying cheap shit at Walmart.  It's because Walmart decided to start sourcing from overseas in the late 80s/early 90s to cut costs and grow revenue because there were no other (at least easier/less risky) ways to grow revenue.  Your grandma didn't make that decision.  Neither did George Bush Sr or Bill Clinton.  Walmart's corporate leadership did.  To the degree that politicians made their decisions possible, it was only after lobbying efforts from companies like Walmart to grease the wheels and make "globalization" possible.

Over the last 40 or so years, that corporate "globalism" got consumers hooked on cheap prices like a pusher giving a junkie a cheap hit to make sure they come back for more.  That's where your grandma comes in.  It has come at the expense of jobs held by consumers while those corporate CEO's became billionaires.  There is only one problem.  It doesn't take someone with an economics degree to see that the side effect of eliminating your consumer's means to consume makes this an unsustainable way to increase corporate value.  And so the billionaire CEOs are in tough spot today.  They can't squeeze more blood from the low and middle class turnip to keep increasing the valuations of their corporations so as to maintain their position as billionaires.  At the same time, unrest is rising in the economic classes beneath them that are having their jobs eliminated, classes of people who are surviving on the cheap goods that were only made possible through the elimination of their jobs.

So what's a billionaire CEO to do?  You use some of your billions to blame it on the getaway driver -- the government.  You buy the media companies that provide the windows by which the common man understands the world outside their direct observation.  You use those windows of information to focus their ire on the government and people they already distrust.  You use it to blame your enemies and to turn the different layers of the lower 98% income distribution against each other.  You capitalize on their desperation, their calls for radical change to get one of your own elected President.  A special kind of guy who is skilled as a wrestling heel.  Someone who gets as many people to hate them as love them. Someone who can keep people's attention on their outrageous acts while other steps are taken unnoticed.  Steps to erect an oligarchy and kleptocracy where your economic status as a billionaire CEO is ensured.  Ensured beyond the point in which it can be sustained through the free market capitalization of an exhausted resource -- the American consumer.

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7 minutes ago, Goredho said:

 

Eh, the disappearance of manufacturing jobs in the U.S. is not because someone in 2016 is buying cheap shit at Walmart.  It's because Walmart decided to start sourcing from overseas in the late 80s/early 90s to cut costs and grow revenue because there were no other (at least easier/less risky) ways to grow revenue.  Your grandma didn't make that decision.  Neither did George Bush Sr or Bill Clinton.  Walmart's corporate leadership did.  To the degree that politicians made their decisions possible, it was only after lobbying efforts from companies like Walmart to grease the wheels and make "globalization" possible.

 

China joining the WTO had a lot to do with where Walmart is today and the industrial power of China.

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1 minute ago, Goredho said:

 

Eh, the disappearance of manufacturing jobs in the U.S. is not because someone in 2016 is buying cheap shit at Walmart.  It's because Walmart decided to start sourcing from overseas in the late 80s/early 90s to cut costs and grow revenue because there were no other (at least easier/less risky) ways to grow revenue.  Your grandma didn't make that decision.  Neither did George Bush Sr or Bill Clinton.  Walmart's corporate leadership did.  To the degree that politicians made their decisions possible, it was only after lobbying efforts from companies like Walmart to grease the wheels and make "globalization" possible.

Over the last 40 or so years, that corporate "globalism" got consumers hooked on cheap prices like a pusher giving a junkie a cheap hit to make sure they come back for more.  That's where your grandma comes in.  It has come at the expense of jobs held by consumers while those corporate CEO's became billionaires.  There is only one problem.  It doesn't take someone with an economics degree to see that the side effect of eliminating your consumer's means to consume makes this an unsustainable way to increase corporate value.  And so the billionaire CEOs are in tough spot today.  They can't squeeze more blood from the low and middle class turnip to keep increasing the valuations of their corporations so as to maintain their position as billionaires.  At the same time, unrest is rising in the economic classes beneath them that are having their jobs eliminated, classes of people who are surviving on the cheap goods that were only made possible through the elimination of their jobs.

So what's a billionaire CEO to do?  You use some of your billions to blame it on the getaway driver -- the government.  You buy the media companies that provide the windows by which the common man understands the world outside their direct observation.  You use those windows of information to focus their ire on the government and people they already distrust.  You use it to blame your enemies and to turn the different layers of the lower 98% income distribution against each other.  You capitalize on their desperation, their calls for radical change to get one of your own elected President.  A special kind of guy who is skilled as a wrestling heel.  Someone who gets as many people to hate them as love them. Someone who can keep people's attention on their outrageous acts while other steps are taken unnoticed.  Steps to erect an oligarchy and kleptocracy where your economic status as a billionaire CEO is ensured.  Ensured beyond the point in which it can be sustained through the free market capitalization of an exhausted resource -- the American consumer.

 

I don't disagree with what you wrote, but it has 100% been a two way street. Retail therapy, whatever you want to call it, a large segment of the American public spends money for a dopamine hit. Were they exploited? Sure. But they were also willing participants for the most part. Other than the disadvantaged, they could have opted out of the system if they wanted. I've set foot in a Walmart a grand total of twice in the past 20 years, and that was for immediate medical supplies. I've been boycotting Chinese made goods as much as humanly possible just as long.

 

This has been a serious bugbear of mine for decades, 2016 has nothing to do with it. We as a people enabled this. I mean look around this forum, people gleefully shopped at Wally World, buy all sorts of disposable garbage that does nothing but make them feel good for a second, then get discarded. Just waste. Waste of resources, energy, you name it. It goes so far beyond simplistic shit like American factory jobs or whatever and gets the the very core of what sort of philosophy we have as a people. We should spend a lot more money on a lot less stuff, and that's really the long and sort of it. Stuff that is made by people with real skills. Your coffee maker, your car, your guitar, your clothes, your food, whatever, all of it. We are losing everything valuable and replacing it with stuff devoid of any value.

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13 minutes ago, G650 said:

 

I don't disagree with what you wrote, but it has 100% been a two way street. Retail therapy, whatever you want to call it, a large segment of the American public spends money for a dopamine hit. Were they exploited? Sure. But they were also willing participants for the most part. Other than the disadvantaged, they could have opted out of the system if they wanted. I've set foot in a Walmart a grand total of twice in the past 20 years, and that was for immediate medical supplies. I've been boycotting Chinese made goods as much as humanly possible just as long.

 

This has been a serious bugbear of mine for decades, 2016 has nothing to do with it. We as a people enabled this. I mean look around this forum, people gleefully shopped at Wally World, buy all sorts of disposable garbage that does nothing but make them feel good for a second, then get discarded. Just waste. Waste of resources, energy, you name it. It goes so far beyond simplistic shit like American factory jobs or whatever and gets the the very core of what sort of philosophy we have as a people. We should spend a lot more money on a lot less stuff, and that's really the long and sort of it. Stuff that is made by people with real skills. Your coffee maker, your car, your guitar, your clothes, your food, whatever, all of it. We are losing everything valuable and replacing it with stuff devoid of any value.

One straw at a time. I avoid Walmart as much as possible. I buy local when I can or as close as I can get. I don't buy stuff for the sake of buying. If it's a shitty deal I don't mind passing on it. I'm not going to pay for things that don't last or are known to be poorly built. I'm much more willing to buy an iron skillet or other kitchen utensils from an estate sale than brand new crap that's going to suck right out of the gate.

Part of The Revolution is where you lay your money down. Steve Earle sang about it. It's a known tactic for the consumer. I have no interest in spending a dime with shitty corporations trying to sell me crap. I can't entirely avoid funding assholes that I would rather see fail, but I do my best to limit myself as much as possible.

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18 hours ago, TexasHooch said:

If this was really his intent, there are two things that he's doing that he wouldn't be doing. 

1) He wouldn't be demanding things in return (ie, stop fentanyl, lol).

2) He wouldn't be backtracking and removing tariffs right away- or in some cases never implementing them in the first place.

If I was a CEO of a corporation with production in Canada, and was convinced that Trump was intent on doing what the quote above attributes as his intent, I could act on that.  I wouldn't like it, but the mandate would be clear.  As it is though, why in the hell would I start the years long process of building a new billion dollar plant in Cleveland when the impetus for doing so could very well be null and void before the board meeting is over?

 

I think this is also where they lean into the tax cuts for the wealthy and to open plants in Cleveland with tax free incentives, and a newly unemployed American workforce to work it. Why bring in immigrants when we can use desperate Americans that no longer have civil rights and government protections. Not saying I believe in it but I’m trying to understand how it all correlates.

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41 minutes ago, G650 said:

 

I don't disagree with what you wrote, but it has 100% been a two way street. Retail therapy, whatever you want to call it, a large segment of the American public spends money for a dopamine hit. Were they exploited? Sure. But they were also willing participants for the most part. Other than the disadvantaged, they could have opted out of the system if they wanted. I've set foot in a Walmart a grand total of twice in the past 20 years, and that was for immediate medical supplies. I've been boycotting Chinese made goods as much as humanly possible just as long.

 

This has been a serious bugbear of mine for decades, 2016 has nothing to do with it. We as a people enabled this. I mean look around this forum, people gleefully shopped at Wally World, buy all sorts of disposable garbage that does nothing but make them feel good for a second, then get discarded. Just waste. Waste of resources, energy, you name it. It goes so far beyond simplistic shit like American factory jobs or whatever and gets the the very core of what sort of philosophy we have as a people. We should spend a lot more money on a lot less stuff, and that's really the long and sort of it. Stuff that is made by people with real skills. Your coffee maker, your car, your guitar, your clothes, your food, whatever, all of it. We are losing everything valuable and replacing it with stuff devoid of any value.

We don't disagree on much.  Where I am at, the average Walmart shopper is not looking for a dopamine hit.  The average Walmart shopper is shopping there because they have to. Their wages are flat relative to inflation, but their housing is rapidly getting more and more expensive as relatively wealthy outsiders (I'm one of them) pay inflated prices divorced from what the local economy would dictate what a house on the hill built by people with real skills would cost.

 

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21 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I have a 100 percent trade deficit with my supermarket, and not only that shopping there has cost my family jobs as field hands.  If I can shift all food production to my house, all profits, revenues, and jobs will stay in my house. 

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Even if that were true, and those revenues are staying in America, how does that help those who lost their jobs? How does that money help your local mom&pop shops?  All it does is increase tax revenue, which is now going to big tax cuts, and decreases in social programs that actually help people who are unemployed or under-employed.  There is nothing to force those companies to actually reinvest that money into America to make it "greater" by distributing the wealth to the workforce, instead it will go to executive bonuses, stock buybacks, and a whole host of gratuitous spending by the richest 1%.  This is just Trickle Down Economics in a wig. 

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45 minutes ago, Goredho said:

We don't disagree on much.  Where I am at, the average Walmart shopper is not looking for a dopamine hit.  The average Walmart shopper is shopping there because they have to. Their wages are flat relative to inflation, but their housing is rapidly getting more and more expensive as relatively wealthy outsiders (I'm one of them) pay inflated prices divorced from what the local economy would dictate what a house on the hill built by people with real skills would cost.

 

Yes this. I'm not sure this guy understands market demographics if he thinks ANYONE is going to Walmart for retail therapy. You go there as a last resort becuase to buy anything beyond a staple urgently needed is probably a depressing realization for those who have to buy their shoes or clothes or jewelry at Walmart.

Now, my impulse cotopaxi, tecovas and suit separate purchases I buy when I get the emails and find I'm bored of reading surly, I'm hungry or slightly sad-- those as dopamine hits make sense.



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