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13 hours ago, UTEE97 said:

Ackman, Musk, Chamath, Vivek and a few other billionaires hitched their wagon to Trump because they saw how he was able to manipulate the "poorly educated." Democrats are also to blame for creating this monster. The party was leaning too far left and ran a terrible campaign. 

If the country survives until the midterms, there will be a reckoning for the MAGA candidates though. I hope we survive that long.

Fucking moron. 

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Posted
13 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I am just going to remark on the 3 points I singled out.  

The Democratic Party has moved too far to the center (right) in reality and they have ceded too much of the rules to the wackos and have not exploited systems to retain or usurp power because they, unlike the republicans, actually believe in this country and working within the system to enact change.   They understand that our government is not supposed to be efficient but take time to thoughtfully consider actions, discover the pros and cons of actions, and then vote on making decisions.   This stable predictable system allows us to be boring and bureaucratic, but also mindful and considerate.   Our republican members are the ones undermining this with knee-jerk reactions.   

We have a real issue with propaganda and mis/disinformation within the United States.   This was started and exploited by the republicans and you can see hallmarks of it everywhere you bother to look.  You can see how foreign hostile actors have infiltrated the republicans and their supporters to further corrupt and drive a wedge.  Every fucking election of my life, the DNC's candidates were the most liberal ever from what I heard from right-wing propagandists.   They even manipulated their stupid fucking audience so much they no longer understood what words meant, words like communism, fascism, socialism, liberal democracy, they know nothing.  All they can think is reflexively like a lizard, liberal = bad, and that is the sum total of republicanism.  When Obama announced the killing of bin Laden, I saw how it really irked republicans.   We all saw it.  Because we knew you were about party over country.  Now you are about Trump over party over country. 

Biden was charismatic.  Harris was less so.  Trump is very charismatic but also a buffoon.  Had he been born poor, he would have been a used car salesman and not the likable Kurt Russell/Bill Paxton type.   Again, you are not serious people.  This isn't a fucking TV show where the ratings = success.  Trump is great for ratings but look at the current state of the economy and uncertainty.   Presidents should come on TV/Radio once in a while,  report major incidents/results and largely stay in the background.  Once politics becomes analogous to a team sport and ratings become important than we are all in for it as this feeds their ego, and that creates more attention seeking.  It is time to grow the fuck up and vote for qualified serious people and not a bunch of dumbfucks that communicate with the latest memes or in a style that seems more appropriate of teenagers.

If you cannot bring yourself to put in the time an energy to research candidates and their ideas then don't fucking vote.  Let people do it who can.  Or just vote straight democratic party.  Because right now those are the only fucking adults in the room and have been for quite some time.  They are the only ones with a track record of holding their own accountable for misdeeds.  They are the only ones who are serious about governing to the best of their abilities and protecting the interests of all.   They are the only candidates who prioritize freedoms and balance out social responsibility.  They have the only candidates who are considering some pushback against the growing oligarchy.   

I wish I could rep this more than once because it fucking deserves it.

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Posted
45 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Did we "educate" them? Perhaps if we mock them more, they will learn their lesson. Are we willing to sink the boat so these people learn? I don't think you can change people and their beliefs.

Then we should round them up and ship them off to Supermax El Salvador. We really have no other choice. 

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It would be funny if not so tragic but any Trump tweet or TV appearance by his team, makes the market drop more. I think that if they could just shut up (spoiler, they can't), the market would stabilize.

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Ackman is getting what he deserves. He waged an all out war on DEI and thought Trump would help his cause. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, UTEE97 said:

Too many fucking morons on this board. I now understand why people dislike this board so much. Enjoy your eco chamber. I am out.

Although I don't agree with what you said, I would never neg you for it as you aren't here trolling or being malicious. Don't let one disliked opinion push you away.

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The one thing this administration will never do is admit there are wrong about something. They will burn the world to the ground before they do that. Someone smart is going to have to come up with an out that gives the admin a total PR win and a change in the formula. 

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8 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Ackman is getting what he deserves. He waged an all out war on DEI and thought Trump would help his cause. 

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He's trying to give Trump an off ramp by throwing someone under the bus (probably Navarro).

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5 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Ackman is getting what he deserves. He waged an all out war on DEI and thought Trump would help his cause. 

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"Before the president makes a big mistake based on bad math."

Dude.  Who in the FUCK do you think you're talking about?  "Big mistakes" and "bad math" are the core of his very being.

Nope, you fuckers hated uppity minorities and queers SO MUCH - about shit that really didn't even affect you, except you couldn't use slurs in the workplace - that you had to vote for Trump.  And we hear talk of "kitchen table issues," which is things like prices, and income levels, and educational availability, and the ability to retire without having to eat cat food.  NONE OF THOSE FUCKING MATTERED, AT ALL.  IT WAS A LIE.

And now, those people who SAID those things mattered ("muh price of eggs!") aren't going to have kitchen tables anymore, much less stuff to put on them. 

God we are so fucking dumbstupididioticmoronicgalacticallyfuckingstupid.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Keef said:

He's trying to give Trump an off ramp by throwing someone under the bus (probably Navarro).


he can throw Navarro under the bus but don’t fuck with Ron Vara. 

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

"Before the president makes a big mistake based on bad math."

Dude.  Who in the FUCK do you think you're talking about?  "Big mistakes" and "bad math" are the core of his very being.

Nope, you fuckers hated uppity minorities and queers SO MUCH - about shit that really didn't even affect you, except you couldn't use slurs in the workplace - that you had to vote for Trump.  And we hear talk of "kitchen table issues," which is things like prices, and income levels, and educational availability, and the ability to retire without having to eat cat food.  NONE OF THOSE FUCKING MATTERED, AT ALL.  IT WAS A LIE.

And now, those people who SAID those things mattered ("muh price of eggs!") aren't going to have kitchen tables anymore, much less stuff to put on them. 

God we are so fucking dumbstupididioticmoronicgalacticallyfuckingstupid.

You know, I don't know what everyone else on this board thinks, but I am starting to think you aren't much of an optimist.  

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Posted
41 minutes ago, horn4life said:

So now we are at the 'negotiate' point that we often have seen. But how do you negotiate when somebody who put up a reciprocal tariff presentation board like the Trump Whitehouse did?  How do you get a factual place to negotiate, when one party is starting from a place where things simply do not add up.  That's the negotiation side of the coin.

So how do you negotiate with people whose math does not add up when you are talking about money?  It's a difficult fucking task. 

 

How do you negotiate with someone or a party that supports firing all the negotiators and oversight? They’re getting law firms and universities to bend the knee or hemorrhage financially. That’s a hell of an unfair leverage position. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Keef said:

He's trying to give Trump an off ramp by throwing someone under the bus (probably Navarro).

Navarro deserves to be thrown under a bus.

And by "thrown under a bus," I mean, "hung upside down at an Esso station."  He is a psychopathic moronic LIAR (seriously...he literally made up a key source in his book), and he has wiped out AN AMOUNT OF MONEY/WEALTH EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THE ENTIRE US GDP ACROSS THE WORLD IN A FUCKING WEEK.  The US annual GDP is around $28 trillion.  Losses coming into today, globally, were nearly half that.  After the beating the Asian markets took today, I would suspect we're just about there.

If another nation state had caused this level of collapse, we would already be at war with them.  Instead, we are doing it to ourselves, driven by fucking Navarro.  He is currently winning the "worst human alive" sweepstakes (man, Elon has gotta be pissed about being bumped down to the bronze medal).

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2 hours ago, UTEE97 said:

You wonder why this country is so divided. Nobody listens or tries to understand where people are coming from, so the root cause never gets addressed.

Bro we all came from somewhere. Hang around. This board is probably the smartest board on The Surl and will help you stay locked in on the things happening in the world that you may have missed.

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59 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I find myself agreeing with UTEE and the folks arguing with him.  I think that means we're fucked but I'm wrong about a ton of shit. 

The problem with UtEE -- other than he seems very disingenuous about who he really supports and votes for -- is he knows all the MAGA talking points and makes good arguments to do nothing.

MAGA will die.  It's dying now, because Trump handed them the economic koolaid and they drank it.  It's a painful death we all get to participate in.  But the marches last weekend seem to show something.

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1 minute ago, Bullneck said:

The problem with UtEE -- other than he seems very disingenuous about who he really supports and votes for -- is he knows all the MAGA talking points and makes good arguments to do nothing.

MAGA will die.  It's dying now, because Trump handed them the economic koolaid and they drank it.  It's a painful death we all get to participate in.  But the marches last weekend seem to show something.

Oh my sweet summer child.

We are going to have to ride this ALL the way down.  MAGA won't change.  Note that every single MAGA bitching about what happens also has a "but I still support him," or "but I'd never vote for a dumbocrat" as their creed.  

MAGA has tapped into the world's largest reserve of stupidity, and it is limitless.

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Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

The problem with UtEE -- other than he seems very disingenuous about who he really supports and votes for -- is he knows all the MAGA talking points and makes good arguments to do nothing.

MAGA will die.  It's dying now, because Trump handed them the economic koolaid and they drank it.  It's a painful death we all get to participate in.  But the marches last weekend seem to show something.

The problem with you is that you are not very intelligent. You didn't understand a single point of my posts. I pointed out what caused swing voters to tilt the election. You can feel one way and still understand what motivates the others. I put you on ignore because you're not worth my brain cells. You can do the same and move one.

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1 minute ago, Bullneck said:

The problem with UtEE -- other than he seems very disingenuous about who he really supports and votes for -- is he knows all the MAGA talking points and makes good arguments to do nothing.

MAGA will die.  It's dying now, because Trump handed them the economic koolaid and they drank it.  It's a painful death we all get to participate in.  But the marches last weekend seem to show something.

I was honestly expecting some bad shit to happen, either with agitators in masks, or dotard being unhinged at something that was visually demonstrating against him. He won’t read but does look at pictures and they were not supportive. Glad everything went well. 

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Oh my sweet summer child.

We are going to have to ride this ALL the way down.  MAGA won't change.  Note that every single MAGA bitching about what happens also has a "but I still support him," or "but I'd never vote for a dumbocrat" as their creed.  

MAGA has tapped into the world's largest reserve of stupidity, and it is limitless.

But it does have consequences, which maybe help persuade them to sit future elections out.

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Ackman is getting what he deserves. He waged an all out war on DEI and thought Trump would help his cause. 
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If you can’t trust Ron Vara in tariffs who can you trust?
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Posted
5 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

We don't like to be told what to do, so we vote for an authoritarian dictator.

Aside from the parallels to Nazi Germany, the morons also fail history as regards to dictators and authoritarians more broadly, like George III, or Napoleon, or Tsar Nicholas.

One of the huge ironies of Cubans and others that fled communist dictators and now fear "socialism." is that the problem with communism is actually its quick slide into authoritarianism, and the fact that communism was usually bookended or preceded with dictatorships.

Even Curtis fucking Yarvin acknowledges that a "benign dictator," for whom he so yearns, may not stay benign long.

Here is the difference. Our conversation was centered on friends of his that live in a Scandinavian country. They were explaining why socialized health care was easier to implement after World War II. It was the government telling their citizens we can help you. Most everything was in disarray so they accepted what the government asked of them. Collectively their way of thinking became to trust the government to make good decisions on behalf of the population. That, to me, is an example of how society can function when people all share in each other’s collective well-being.

Here you can’t tell an entire population what would be best for them because you say socialism and you hear the Nazi comparison come out from 80 million people. That leads to the less educated/F you pay me types that will vote for an orange clown instead of making the choice that would help more of the population. That’s ’Merica at its most selfish. We’re kinda stuck right there. If there is one thing I have learned in my travels across this country in the places I have lived it is that we just refuse to agree on a society that benefits all of us. The inherent selfishness that permeates America is antithetical to how a modern society needs to be able to get along on basic things.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:


Do they need 50% or 2/3 of both houses to take back tariff control (which they obviously should have never fucking handed over in the first place)?

As far as I can tell, taking back tariff power is just another bill.  So, initially, a majority in each house.  But if Trump vetos, then they'll need to override, so 2/3.

As mentioned elsewhere, in some of the delegation of tariff power bills, they tried to reserve a "legislative veto," where they could undo individual tariff actions by majority vote.  However, legislative veto was ruled unconstitutional and they never fixed it.

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1 hour ago, UTEE97 said:

So you rather lose the election, watch your country get destroyed by a mad man than figure out how to win over the people who decide the election? Got it. 

Party's over dude there's no coming back from this. All we got left is the blame game.

 

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38 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

"Before the president makes a big mistake based on bad math."

Dude.  Who in the FUCK do you think you're talking about?  "Big mistakes" and "bad math" are the core of his very being.

Nope, you fuckers hated uppity minorities and queers SO MUCH - about shit that really didn't even affect you, except you couldn't use slurs in the workplace - that you had to vote for Trump.  And we hear talk of "kitchen table issues," which is things like prices, and income levels, and educational availability, and the ability to retire without having to eat cat food.  NONE OF THOSE FUCKING MATTERED, AT ALL.  IT WAS A LIE.

And now, those people who SAID those things mattered ("muh price of eggs!") aren't going to have kitchen tables anymore, much less stuff to put on them. 

God we are so fucking dumbstupididioticmoronicgalacticallyfuckingstupid.

Also, the bad math is a post-hoc justification for this shit.

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Posted
49 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Ackman is getting what he deserves. He waged an all out war on DEI and thought Trump would help his cause. 

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The number they used may be roughly 4x the tariff, but the calculation has nothing whatsoever to do with tariffs actually imposed by anyone.  The tariff rate doesn't even figure into their little equation.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

It will be interesting to see who flinches first. Unfortunately, neither leaders care about their own people.

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In a little more than 2 weeks we're getting starting a cruise that has 3 stops in China. Might be a more interesting trip than we planned. I'm not worried about our safety, but wouldn't be surprised if the stops get canceled. 

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56 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Ackman is getting what he deserves. He waged an all out war on DEI and thought Trump would help his cause. 

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So you’re saying they’re stupid blathering idoits? Ok. Got it. 

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2 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

In a little more than 2 weeks we're getting starting a cruise that has 3 stops in China. Might be a more interesting trip than we planned. I'm not worried about our safety, but wouldn't be surprised if the stops get canceled. 

That's not a country I would want to visit now. If you decide to explore the towns where your ship docks, perhaps stay with a group of people. Good luck!

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Just now, UTEE97 said:

That's not a country I would want to visit now. If you decide to explore the towns where your ship docks, perhaps stay with a group of people. Good luck!

We have booked shore excursions at every stop in China.

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3 minutes ago, jw4381 said:

So you’re saying they’re stupid blathering idoits? Ok. Got it. 

Wealth wasn't enough for them. They also wanted clout, so they chose a side they thought would give them that. 

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7 minutes ago, jw4381 said:

So you’re saying they’re stupid blathering idoits? Ok. Got it. 

no they are just normal. That's what normal people do now. It's you who has lost touch with the current reality.

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10 minutes ago, jw4381 said:

So you’re saying they’re stupid blathering idoits? Ok. Got it. 

In his defense, he knew that. He just hated going to Harvard and seeing too many Asian students. 

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25 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

In a little more than 2 weeks we're getting starting a cruise that has 3 stops in China. Might be a more interesting trip than we planned. I'm not worried about our safety, but wouldn't be surprised if the stops get canceled. 

My wife leaves Friday for ten days in Shanghai. I’m very interested to hear about what she sees and hears firsthand.

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