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14 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

In Austin Texas there are so many locations for socializing your dog outside of a grocery store. Hell that statement is also true for almost all major cities now. Most have plenty of dog friendly bars, tailgates, restaurants, coffee shops, music venues, events, and dog parks. 

I live in Nashville and there is a rooftop hotel bar that is dog friendly.

Dog Friendly Bars Austin

Claiming that you need to take your dog to the fucking grocery store for socializing is a dick head excuse for being an asshole. 

Your dog get zero pleasure or socializing in at a grocery store. 

I love taking my girls places, but they are high energy and attention seeking. So, I take them to places with other dogs, space to move around and people who like dogs. That and there are no HEBs in this ass backwards state any damn way. Not that they would be open if there were.

Because Im a reasonable, responsible, and I like to think good dog owner.

Agreed but don't take your dog to dog parks. It's stupid and dangerous and most people don't realize it.

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2 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Agreed but don't take your dog to dog parks. It's stupid and dangerous and most people don't realize it.

I don't disagree with your broader point of issues at dog parks. However, I live on 40+ acres and my girls have to work around white tail, coyotes and the very, very rare bear. I've also volunteered doing behavior training for shelters throughout my life. I spot trouble people pretty quick, which usually means dogs with issues and GTFO, or go to parks with far fewer people bigger spaces. So, your concern is noted but the Redneck Princess and Drama Queen will be okay.

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3 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I don't disagree with your broader point of issues at dog parks. However, I live on 40+ acres and my girls have to work around white tail, coyotes and the very, very rare bear. I've also volunteered doing behavior training for shelters throughout my life. I spot trouble people pretty quick, which usually means dogs with issues and GTFO, or go to parks with far fewer people bigger spaces. So, your concern is noted but the Redneck Princess and Drama Queen will be okay.

Yeah I've just seen too many dog fights to think it's a good idea. I saw one dog nearly kill another, would not let go of its throat, I had to cut its collar off with my pocket knife to get the dog free of the other dog's jaws, and those two dogs lived together. Any dog can become unpredictable and dangerous when they get around that many other dogs and get overexcited.

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42 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Ah. Pit bull guy.  

Did you get lost on your way to TexAgs?

 

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39 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Any dog can become unpredictable and dangerous when they get around that many other dogs and get overexcited.

To be fair, that applies to most of us at Texas-OU, so....yeah.

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2 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

Good point but I don't think quite right.

I think it's the housing affordability issue (hinted at earlier). Stay with me here.

In the past, adults could grow up and leave apartments or condos or tiny rented places with no yard or shared yards and buy their own 3/2/2 to settle down, start a family, whatever. Then they would have babies and/or buy pets. They had the appropriate room and services to accomodate them.

With housing being such a crisis (e.g. starter homes almost non-existent, another thread), more "kids" aka young adults are staying in apartments and multi-tenant living a whole lot longer. Maybe until their middle ages and maybe forever for all I know. So there is no more waiting until you buy a house and next phase of your life which includes a pet, but rather, if you want a pet you have to get it in suboptimal living conditions.

So then you buy your best friend and now have a pet that lives in 500-1000 sqft area without an easy access yard or even patio sometimes, landlocked between hundreds of other 500-1000 sqft rooms, anywhere from 1-5 stories up. 

Because of this, pets probably dont' get as much exercise or outdoor time (I mean, the owner tries but it's harder to take the elevator or walk the flight of stairs and meander down to the tired patch of grass all the other pets have trod over, multiple times a day) and so owners rationalize that it's lucky bit of synergy. They need to run errands (HEB, restaurants, etc.) and the dogs need to not be locked in a soulless apartment, so why not take them with them.

Seems right to me, at least. Maybe dog owners who live in apartments and can't afford housing (if any post here) can confirm or deny.

I think this is spot-on. My post about single people and dogs was purposefully hyperbolically silly. 

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2 hours ago, Deej said:

Sorry your married. I have sympathy for you. 

I appreciate that.    :)

 

 I'm the pain in the ass in my house, lucky to be here, and well aware of it.  I was just being silly.

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I have only taken my dogs into one store and it was a Petco to get them some shots. I don’t take my dogs to the grocery store. I don’t mind seeing dogs at the grocery store though. I do understand people taking issue with seeing pets in a store where food is sold. If a store is willing to let them in though so be it. You won’t see my two in a grocery store or any other store outside of a pet store. 

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23 hours ago, Js1 said:

I love my dog. I hate bringing my dog anywhere that isn't a park.  

I don't even like taking him on a hike because he's old and slow and pees every 5 feet. 

I Guess If You Say So GIF

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4 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

I have only taken my dogs into one store and it was a Petco to get them some shots. I don’t take my dogs to the grocery store. I don’t mind seeing dogs at the grocery store though. I do understand people taking issue with seeing pets in a store where food is sold. If a store is willing to let them in though so be it. You won’t see my two in a grocery store or any other store outside of a pet store. 

It is not just that, there are people with allergies who react to it which can lead to wheezing and difficulty breathing.  Even minor exposure can trigger chronic immune responses which isn't good for overall health.   

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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, Nivek said:

It is not just that, there are people with allergies who react to it which can lead to wheezing and difficulty breathing.  Even minor exposure can trigger chronic immune responses which isn't good for overall health.   

 

Oh and things like ring worms, mrsa, salmonella, hookworm and giardia. Plus of course, dogs shed, and their paws can carry dirt and bacteria, potentially contaminating food and surfaces.

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Dogs at bars? Nope. Dogs at HEB? Nope. Dog in a back yard. Yep. People are very stupid with their leashes. I don't want to trip over that shit because you are distracted looking at a coupon.

My ex loved taking her dog everywhere.

We are going to home depot to get paint. Fido can stay home.

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22 hours ago, Deej said:

I call bullshit, but maybe you should stop shopping at the HEB where the bored housewives shop. Be brave. Go to some of the lower income areas of town. I promise you it's probably entitled, higher income white folks. 

But then you’re talking about upsetting the pert yoga pant ratio. 

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This thread is peak surly. Also Brisket coming up with three grocery store items and them being "lemons and chicken and saltines" like he's shopping directly for ingredients for the steel shank thread. Can't wait for yard bird ceviche to make its appearance there.

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1 hour ago, Covri said:

This thread is peak surly. Also Brisket coming up with three grocery store items and them being "lemons and chicken and saltines" like he's shopping directly for ingredients for the steel shank thread. Can't wait for yard bird ceviche to make its appearance there.

Hey man, you’ve never had Coq de croute sales!

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6 hours ago, Covri said:

This thread is peak surly. Also Brisket coming up with three grocery store items and them being "lemons and chicken and saltines" like he's shopping directly for ingredients for the steel shank thread. Can't wait for yard bird ceviche to make its appearance there.

Yeah, its great to see how we all came together ultimately in agreement. Dogs don't belong in HEB, kids are terrible things, and @Brisketexan is a Llamaphobic, penitentiary chicken loving, neo-Alapacan man, open to new ideas and ways of looking at the world. A positive light of happiness in every thread.

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In Walgreens a couple days ago and a woman walks in with one of the largest dogs I’ve ever seen, big ol curly haired thing, no clue what breed but it was huge and muscular looking, very imposing animal. No support animal vest or anything just walking around like she owned the place. I thought what a douche the lady walking it in must be, there are some folks that are afraid of dogs, especially giant one. The fact that this lady just had to bring this behemoth into a store for attention at the possible detriment to some old lady just trying to get her pills made me even more old dude ragey than I already was.

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dog show GIF by Westminster Kennel ClubIrish wolfhound maybe?

 Awesome dog but don’t really want to pick out my daily anal fissure medication next to one. 

“oh we use the same medicine on our dog’s anus!  Check out his butt grapes!”

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48 minutes ago, GoPokes83 said:

In Walgreens a couple days ago and a woman walks in with one of the largest dogs I’ve ever seen, big ol curly haired thing, no clue what breed but it was huge and muscular looking, very imposing animal. No support animal vest or anything just walking around like she owned the place. I thought what a douche the lady walking it in must be, there are some folks that are afraid of dogs, especially giant one. The fact that this lady just had to bring this behemoth into a store for attention at the possible detriment to some old lady just trying to get her pills made me even more old dude ragey than I already was.

It is just a matter of time before one of these “well behaved “ dogs is gonna bite someone they are not familiar with, or attack another idoit’s dog (that also shouldn’t be there) and the establishment is gonna get the shit sued out of it because they allow people to bring their dogs in, or don’t enforce their own policy. The liability alone should make them enforce a no pets allowed, and give them good reason. 
 

CHIEF

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I’ve had a few dumbasses bring their dogs to medical appointments. It did not end well for the owners - and it made me thankful to have a front desk person who doesn’t hold back her words.

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I was in a cheap hotel room last week (think: Courtyard or Holiday Inn type hotel) and eating the runny eggs and greasy bacon with weak coffee when a little dog started running around the eating area. Someone had brought it down with them without a leash and lost control. Everyone was annoyed, but it's our fault for being poor I guess.

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Perhaps I'm entering my Karen stage of life, but sitting here and bitching about this on a college-football message board is pointless.

If it annoys you so much, you ought to have the fucking balls to go up to these people and say, "your dog doesn't belong in the HEB.  There's food here, and it's gross."  I've done it. 

Maybe you get a "fuck you."  Sure.  Maybe.  But guess what--people don't like confrontation.  I mean, I do.  But most people don't.  So the end result is that the person's experience of taking the dog to the HEB was, on balance, a negative.  And that will weigh on their decision-making next time they're thinking about taking the goddamned dog to the HEB.

Now imagine that everyone who spent time on this thread bitching about dogs at the HEB actually said something to the dog-owners they see at the HEB.  If anyone who took a dog to the HEB got at least one pointed negative comment every trip, nobody would take their fucking dog to HEB.  Fucking nobody.

This is on everyone who is too fucking afraid of confrontation to call out bad behavior.  We all need to get over that shit.

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Just now, Ghost of LL said:

Perhaps I'm entering my Karen stage of life, but sitting here and bitching about this on a college-football message board is pointless.

If it annoys you so much, you ought to have the fucking balls to go up to these people and say, "your dog doesn't belong in the HEB.  There's food here, and it's gross."  I've done it. 

Maybe you get a "fuck you."  Sure.  Maybe.  But guess what--people don't like confrontation.  I mean, I do.  But most people don't.  So the end result is that the person's experience of taking the dog to the HEB was, on balance, a negative.  And that will weigh on their decision-making next time they're thinking about taking the goddamned dog to the HEB.

Now imagine that everyone who spent time on this thread bitching about dogs at the HEB actually said something to the dog-owners they see at the HEB.  If anyone who took a dog to the HEB got at least one pointed negative comment every trip, nobody would take their fucking dog to HEB.  Fucking nobody.

This is on everyone who is too fucking afraid of confrontation to call out bad behavior.  We all need to get over that shit.

Real men take it a step further, and just go up to them and take a shit in their grocery cart.  "Yeah, how do you like it when it's done to YOU, Karen?"

 

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Real men take it a step further, and just go up to them and take a shit in their grocery cart.  "Yeah, how do you like it when it's done to YOU, Karen?"

 

I bite their calves. Found it really drives home the point.

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9 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Perhaps I'm entering my Karen stage of life, but sitting here and bitching about this on a college-football message board is pointless.

If it annoys you so much, you ought to have the fucking balls to go up to these people and say, "your dog doesn't belong in the HEB.  There's food here, and it's gross."  I've done it. 

Maybe you get a "fuck you."  Sure.  Maybe.  But guess what--people don't like confrontation.  I mean, I do.  But most people don't.  So the end result is that the person's experience of taking the dog to the HEB was, on balance, a negative.  And that will weigh on their decision-making next time they're thinking about taking the goddamned dog to the HEB.

Now imagine that everyone who spent time on this thread bitching about dogs at the HEB actually said something to the dog-owners they see at the HEB.  If anyone who took a dog to the HEB got at least one pointed negative comment every trip, nobody would take their fucking dog to HEB.  Fucking nobody.

This is on everyone who is too fucking afraid of confrontation to call out bad behavior.  We all need to get over that shit.

I agree with this.  The older I get, the more confrontational I get, which will probably be the end of me at some point.  I mentioned this already today in a thread about conspiracy nutbags, but we have been too neutered as a society and don't call out bad or stupid behavior like we should.  This is the true dismal tide, as assholes will just keep being assholes if no one points out what an asshole they are.

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Real men take it a step further, and just go up to them and take a shit in their grocery cart.  "Yeah, how do you like it when it's done to YOU, Karen?"

 

That's what I'm talking about right there.  Take action.

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31 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Perhaps I'm entering my Karen stage of life, but sitting here and bitching about this on a college-football message board is pointless.

If it annoys you so much, you ought to have the fucking balls to go up to these people and say, "your dog doesn't belong in the HEB.  There's food here, and it's gross."  I've done it. 

Maybe you get a "fuck you."  Sure.  Maybe.  But guess what--people don't like confrontation.  I mean, I do.  But most people don't.  So the end result is that the person's experience of taking the dog to the HEB was, on balance, a negative.  And that will weigh on their decision-making next time they're thinking about taking the goddamned dog to the HEB.

Now imagine that everyone who spent time on this thread bitching about dogs at the HEB actually said something to the dog-owners they see at the HEB.  If anyone who took a dog to the HEB got at least one pointed negative comment every trip, nobody would take their fucking dog to HEB.  Fucking nobody.

This is on everyone who is too fucking afraid of confrontation to call out bad behavior.  We all need to get over that shit.

I think what you are describing is what we used to call "social conditioning". The small, incremental nudges over time to shape behavior, usually in conformance to what we would call a social standard (social mores).

A few problems to this in modern times:

1) Most socialization is not in person anymore so it takes the teeth out of the confrontation. All you've done is put a person on the defensive and then they will go to the place of actual socialization in modern times (the internet) and get validation and re-confirmation via their echo chamber and network. They will re-entrench that THEY were the victim, and some big male patriarchal bully was abusive to them and toxic to them in public!

2) Society isn't a tiny fishbowl anymore with more-or-less a shared moral fabric, so trying to regress someone with outlying (antisocial) behavior to the mean isn't a thing anymore. We are very fragmented now so you can argue that the neighborhoods or demographics share a social norm, which unfortunately, seem to be trending towards the yuppie selfish person with the dog being more the norm than us crotchety old white men. Doesn't matter that we are right in this matter.

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16 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

1) Most socialization is not in person anymore so it takes the teeth out of the confrontation. All you've done is put a person on the defensive and then they will go to the place of actual socialization in modern times (the internet) and get validation and re-confirmation via their echo chamber and network. They will re-entrench that THEY were the victim, and some big male patriarchal bully was abusive to them and toxic to them in public!

Counterpoint: they go to their internet echo chamber to gain validation and avoid the HEB where they get confrontation.  And so next time, they order their groceries curbside.  Which is all we want.

I think we're in complete agreement: people will gravitate toward affirmation and avoid confrontation.  So if you don't want people to physically be in the HEB with their dog, make their physical presence uncomfortable for them and their online interaction with the HEB more attractive.

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3 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Counterpoint: they go to their internet echo chamber to gain validation and avoid the HEB where they get confrontation.  And so next time, they order their groceries curbside.  Which is all we want.

I think we're in complete agreement: people will gravitate toward affirmation and avoid confrontation.  So if you don't want people to physically be in the HEB with their dog, make their physical presence uncomfortable for them and their online interaction with the HEB more attractive.

Be careful out there, GoLL. You are the hero we need.

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34 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I think what you are describing is what we used to call "social conditioning". The small, incremental nudges over time to shape behavior, usually in conformance to what we would call a social standard (social mores).

A few problems to this in modern times:

1) Most socialization is not in person anymore so it takes the teeth out of the confrontation. All you've done is put a person on the defensive and then they will go to the place of actual socialization in modern times (the internet) and get validation and re-confirmation via their echo chamber and network. They will re-entrench that THEY were the victim, and some big male patriarchal bully was abusive to them and toxic to them in public!

2) Society isn't a tiny fishbowl anymore with more-or-less a shared moral fabric, so trying to regress someone with outlying (antisocial) behavior to the mean isn't a thing anymore. We are very fragmented now so you can argue that the neighborhoods or demographics share a social norm, which unfortunately, seem to be trending towards the yuppie selfish person with the dog being more the norm than us crotchety old white men. Doesn't matter that we are right in this matter.

Ezra Klein and Jonathan Haidt (Anxious Generation author) touched on this on Ezra's most recent podcast episode--in Haidt's opinion, we've lost a shared moral philosophy that was centered around Judeo-Christian values (as citizens have moved away from organized religion), and what's replaced it (or left behind) is a philosophy centered on the market as the moral arbiter of what is right. 

In other words, if the market rewards certain behaviors, then those are okay, and if it punishes other then those are wrong. 

Tying this back to dogs and HEB, I agree with @Brisketexan and think we all should shit in their carts.  I feel deeply it's what Jesus would want. 

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1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

Counterpoint: they go to their internet echo chamber to gain validation and avoid the HEB where they get confrontation.  And so next time, they order their groceries curbside.  Which is all we want.

I think we're in complete agreement: people will gravitate toward affirmation and avoid confrontation.  So if you don't want people to physically be in the HEB with their dog, make their physical presence uncomfortable for them and their online interaction with the HEB more attractive.

Some people need to be in a little physical proximity to other people that don't have their best interests at heart to learn what confrontation really is.  

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GOLL isn't wrong here.  On another thread, I shared how a few weeks ago, I was heading in to HEB, and a woman parked in TWO spaces (near the front of the store).  That is, two side-by-side spaces were open, and she just pulled in and parked on top of the line, taking up the spaces so nobody else could park there.  I was walking by as she got out of her car, and I said "No, you can't do that.  You need to move your car and park in only one space."  She looked surprised, gave me some "oh, I didn't know" line of bullshit....and I stood there as she re-parked correctly.

It was really easy to call her out and hold her accountable.  She was doing something selfish/self-absorbed and shitty, and seeing it happen right in front of me pissed me off, so I said something, and she changed her behavior.  I've also had a little punk driving his rice rocket the wrong way up the aisle at HEB flip me off and yell at me when I said "dude, you're going the wrong way."  So, the mileage may vary.

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"How did he die?"

"Got shot in the produce section at HEB after telling some crazy women to leave her Cavapoo at home."

"At least he died doing what he loved."

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