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Posted
2 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I read that Karmelo had a GoFundMe hit $140k (but got pulled because of a violation of T's and C's from gofundme). Seems like a lot of folks feeling for him and his family. 

I think this story is just getting started as far as the "discourse". 

And Jimmy's lived experience of going to track meets wherever he is from is real and honest, I'm sure. It also has about as much relevance to a Frisco track meet as the price of tea in china. Not sure why he's dying on that hill.

There are reported to be multiple GoFundMe accounts, all operating as legitimate - which they clearly are not.  Lot's a third-party grift trying to take advantage of an awful situation.  

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10 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Yes and no.  Friends of friends do spent time together, but there has to be a reason.  The majority of the time kids are spending time together on the football field/infield, not at the tent.  They want to watch the events.  If they come back to the tent, and they do, it's essentially an invited situation.  What you don't see are random kids just parked under another teams tent.  That's a huge red flag, especially against the backdrop of property theft concerns.  Then for the kid who was told to leave to refuse, and escalate with threats of "make me" goes form confrontational to inciteful pretty quick.  

Never seen any kid under an opposing school tent. My daughter’s run varsity 4x1 and 4x2 for last two years and I show up to all the meets. Will they talk to other girls/boys in the infield or walking around?  Absolutely. But they don’t hang out under opposing tents. What the murderer did was absolutely unorthodox and weird behavior.  People here saying they have different experiences are fucking nerds, and looking to argue and / or take up for the murderer. Fuck them. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I read that Karmelo had a GoFundMe hit $140k (but got pulled because of a violation of T's and C's from gofundme). Seems like a lot of folks feeling for him and his family. 

I think this story is just getting started as far as the "discourse". 

And Jimmy's lived experience of going to track meets wherever he is from is real and honest, I'm sure. It also has about as much relevance to a Frisco track meet as the price of tea in china. Not sure why he's dying on that hill.

$139K from surly posters 

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Posted
1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

There are reported to be multiple GoFundMe accounts, all operating as legitimate - which they clearly are not.  Lot's a third-party grift trying to take advantage of an awful situation.  

I’d never donate to a GoFundMe. If I knew the family, I may donate directly to them. If I’m an acquaintance, and I hear you need funeral expense help, I’ll help. If you’re a friendly acquaintance, and your son murders another boy, we are no longer even acquaintances, and you can fucking lose my number or I’ll block you. I’ll never understand why 99% of the people that are donating on Anthony’s behalf are doing so. 

Posted (edited)
13 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

And Jimmy's lived experience of going to track meets wherever he is from is real and honest, I'm sure. It also has about as much relevance to a Frisco track meet as the price of tea in china. Not sure why he's dying on that hill.

I'm not dying on any hill, I'm tired of arguing with you about claims that are not universally true per experience.  And Austin, by the way, up through Area.  Still UIL.

EDIT:  sorry, thought I was replying to Rex.  Regardless, I speak from a very different experience.

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6 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Never seen any kid under an opposing school tent. My daughter’s run varsity 4x1 and 4x2 for last two years and I show up to all the meets. Will they talk to other girls/boys in the infield or walking around?  Absolutely. But they don’t hang out under opposing tents. What the murderer did was absolutely unorthodox and weird behavior.  People here saying they have different experiences are fucking nerds, and looking to argue and / or take up for the murderer. Fuck them. 

I've seen it briefly, almost always to grab a phone and share something with another kid.  More with girls than boys.  Just hanging to hang, almost never, but that by itself isn't gospel, just never seen it at the dozens of meets I've been to.  Why would you - you have your own tent and your own teammates to be with, why camp at another's tent and then become enraged when asked to leave?  Makes no sense.  

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not dying on any hill, I'm tired of arguing with you about claims that are not universally true per experience.  And Austin, by the way, up through Area.  Still UIL.

Nobody said it was a universal experience - you inferred that and ran with it.  

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Posted
5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not dying on any hill, I'm tired of arguing with you about claims that are not universally true per experience.  And Austin, by the way, up through Area.  Still UIL.

EDIT:  sorry, thought I was replying to Rex.  Regardless, I speak from a very different experience.

It seems like people who have first-hand and recent and relevant experience are trying to educate you and others who might be 200 miles away on how it is in Frisco and whether it resonates with your experience or not shouldn't matter.

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2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Nobody said it was a universal experience - you inferred that and ran with it.  

He speaks from the experience of a very intentionally contrarian nerd. And I’m just not in the mood to engage him, Brisket or Twice without being a direct dick. At least Brisket had good sense to drop the political narrative and shut chainsaw the fuck up. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Nobody said it was a universal experience - you inferred that and ran with it.  

Come on, man.  Your words:

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It just isn't done

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There are no adults anywhere near the tents.  They are not allowed to be near the tents. 

Pretty fucking absolute in my mind.  

Posted
1 minute ago, Vegas64 said:

It seems like people who have first-hand and recent and relevant experience are trying to educate you and others who might be 200 miles away on how it is in Frisco and whether it resonates with your experience or not shouldn't matter.

That's fine, and I already admitted such.  Are you intentionally not reading what I write?

I don't know how they run meets in Frisco.  I now know a bit more than I did.  I also know that what they do there is not the way things are done in central Texas, all of which fall under UIL rules.  

We're talking about murder here, so rules and protocol might be important.  Ordinarily I wouldn't give a flying fuck about claims that THIS IS NEVER EVER EVER DONE.

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Absolute to his experience, I.e. a Frisco event. He made no reference to how an event that he has not attended 200 miles away may be organized. Take the loss, pussy.

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Posted
18 minutes ago, Hate said:

Absolute to his experience, I.e. a Frisco event. He made no reference to how an event that he has not attended 200 miles away may be organized. Take the loss, pussy.

lulz coming from you, pussy.

Posted
1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

If your attack resulted in death, even if you were trying to stab their big toe, it qualifies under serious bodily injury if they... DIE as a result of the attack.

It's redundant to apply that definition to murder. Or maybe I should say it's circular. The murder law says it's murder if the defendant's intent was only to cause serious bodily injury, but the result of the defendant's act is that the guy died.

By your logic, any time the guy dies we can infer an intent to cause serious bodily injury. I'm saying, that doesn't necessarily follow, and to define murder in such a way (defined in a way that the defendant's intent ceases to matter if the result of his behavior is that the victim dies) basically destroys the distinction between homicide and murder.

Posted
13 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Entirely predictably, this thread is ass

With chainsaw tripling down on legal definitions to try and be right, it’s only getting funnier. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Vegas64 said:

With chainsaw tripling down on legal definitions to try and be right, it’s only getting funnier. 

Would you rather discuss the race-baiting? The intricacies of UIL track meet etiquette? Nobody could click on this thread and expect it to be worth reading.

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“The process was not entirely new for Memorial High.

In November, brothers Kajerriyawn Mack, 17, and La’Marrya Ransem, 22, were fatally shot in McKinney after the group they were in began to argue, according to Frisco police records. Kajerriyawn was a student at Memorial, police confirmed.

Then, just weeks before Christmas, Gavin Morris died in what police called a possible suicide-double murder at a home on Bancroft Lane. Also found dead were the boy’s father, 54-year-old Ronald Morris, and the elder Morris’ girlfriend, 53-year-old Stacey White. Frisco police didn’t immediately respond to a request Thursday asking for an update on the case.”

These incidents didn’t get a fraction of the coverage. Assuming because they didn’t occur at an FISD sanctioned event and there was no racial element to exploit.
(I live in Frisco and know parents and teachers from Memorial and Centennial)

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This thread is embarrassing for all participants. Imagine even pretending to give a shit about this unless you knew these people or were around these communities. 

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

With chainsaw tripling down on legal definitions to try and be right, it’s only getting funnier. 

I was going to say this thread is ass because of AnimalTobacco's newest account.

Posted
1 minute ago, immamac said:

This thread is embarrassing for all participants. Imagine even pretending to give a shit about this unless you knew these people or were around these communities. 

Which I am.  My kid has friends that knew the victim, were at the vigil at Hope Fellowship, and go to his school.  I was just at the stadium weeks prior for soccer playoffs.  Frisco doesn't have stadiums at the HS's, so everyone has spend quite a bit of time at this middle school stadium.  

There is also a new report that the attacker wasn't supposed to be at the meet.  He was apparently skipping school.  He also (allegedly) got into trouble earlier in the year for bringing a knife to school.  Take this for what it is, an early report.  

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52 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

He speaks from the experience of a very intentionally contrarian nerd. And I’m just not in the mood to engage him, Brisket or Twice without being a direct dick. At least Brisket had good sense to drop the political narrative and shut chainsaw the fuck up. 

Of course, the fact that you equate a comment on a SOCIAL issue as a POLITICAL comment is a big part of the fucking problem.  Politics is a trailing indicator of social function.  And our current dominant social ethos is "fuck you, me me me."  Yeah, that translates to politics, but importantly for society, it is most directly seen in utterly stupid shit like this event, people acting like entitled, selfish dicks on the road, in the grocery store, at school, everywhere.  Commenting on that real-deal social issue isn't "politics"....although the fact that it's taken as slamming a particularly sensitive segment of our political landscape is telling in its own right.

A kid is dead, and another life ruined, because of some really stupid decisionmaking - multiple layers of it, actually, at the very least starting with the decision to bring a fucking knife to a track meet.  FFS, it's one of the reasons I preach against carrying a fucking gun everywhere you go - because then, every confrontation has a real chance of escalating into a gunfight, and that's always a bad outcome.  But it may also include bad decisions beforehand if there was some sort of beef.  Bad decisions in the heat of the moment if two 17 yr olds bowed up to each other over nothing.  Hell if I know what the whole story is.  I just know that in cases like this, it's often a layer cake of bad decisions that gets us to the ultimate bad outcome.  And woven through all of them is a focus on self to the exclusion of evaluating the social purposes and consequences of our actions.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

Of course, the fact that you equate a comment on a SOCIAL issue as a POLITICAL comment is a big part of the fucking problem.  Politics is a trailing indicator of social function.  And our current dominant social ethos is "fuck you, me me me."  Yeah, that translates to politics, but importantly for society, it is most directly seen in utterly stupid shit like this event, people acting like entitled, selfish dicks on the road, in the grocery store, at school, everywhere.  Commenting on that real-deal social issue isn't "politics"....although the fact that it's taken as slamming a particularly sensitive segment of our political landscape is telling in its own right.

A kid is dead, and another life ruined, because of some really stupid decisionmaking - multiple layers of it, actually, at the very least starting with the decision to bring a fucking knife to a track meet.  FFS, it's one of the reasons I preach against carrying a fucking gun everywhere you go - because then, every confrontation has a real chance of escalating into a gunfight, and that's always a bad outcome.  But it may also include bad decisions beforehand if there was some sort of beef.  Bad decisions in the heat of the moment if two 17 yr olds bowed up to each other over nothing.  Hell if I know what the whole story is.  I just know that in cases like this, it's often a layer cake of bad decisions that gets us to the ultimate bad outcome.  And woven through all of them is a focus on self to the exclusion of evaluating the social purposes and consequences of our actions.

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Posted (edited)
53 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

It's redundant to apply that definition to murder. Or maybe I should say it's circular. The murder law says it's murder if the defendant's intent was only to cause serious bodily injury, but the result of the defendant's act is that the guy died.

By your logic, any time the guy dies we can infer an intent to cause serious bodily injury. I'm saying, that doesn't necessarily follow, and to define murder in such a way (defined in a way that the defendant's intent ceases to matter if the result of his behavior is that the victim dies) basically destroys the distinction between homicide and murder.

This isn't a logic debate dude. It's law, and I quoted it.

Your word salad and semantics bullshit is just that, word salad and semantics. You can dislike what the law says, but you can't change definitions of murder laws in a discussion.

I'll try this one more time.

If you stab someone with a knife and they die it qualifies as murder, unless it was self defense. 

I'm sure you will "debate" the meaning or definition of murder, the definition of knife or some other such silly ass semantics. 

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Posted
5 hours ago, chainsaw said:

This is why you should teach your kids never to provoke a stranger

Or always carry yourself

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Posted
4 hours ago, chainsaw said:

How serious is "serious" though?

Generally means requires medical treatment or potentially does.

It's murder, most likely, even given the unknown facts.  Whether "affirmative defenses" or "justifications" like self-defense could come into play is what we don't know at this point.

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Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

We talking ER trip or are we talking any kind of first aid?

Broadly speaking, seeing a doctor, which could be ER, like for stitches or more interventional treatment, or later, like concussion or bruising.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Broadly speaking, seeing a doctor, which could be ER or later, like concussion or bruising.

How do you define doctor? How do you define ER? How do you define broadly? How do you define concussion?

-Semanticssaw probably 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

How do you define doctor? How do you define ER? How do you define broadly? How do you define concussion?

-Semanticssaw probably 

I wouldn't consider a bruise or anything that heals by itself to be a serious injury. To me a serious injury is an injury that would definitely put someone in the hospital. Anything less is definitely an injury but not "serious."

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Among all the other ASSuming people are doing is ASSuming that I am interested in the backstory because it will vindicate the perp.

It might, it probably won't.  But answers to the questions like why in the name of God was this kid bringing a knife to a track meet?  And why was he in an opponents tent remain unanswered.

Also, it sounds like there was a single stab to the victim that punctured his heart.  That was either a skilled or very unlucky stab.

Posted
34 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

And you're an expert?

You've had multiple lawyers (experts if you will) try and explain it to you. You are wrong. 

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Posted
26 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

  But answers to the questions like why in the name of God was this kid bringing a knife to a track meet?  And why was he in an opponents tent remain unanswered.

Yeah, it's a complete mystery why someone with the disposition to murder someone over petty BS would also be they type of person to carry a knife around and instigate conflict.  Let us all know if you ever figure it out.

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Posted
4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I literally camped out with my kid at probably 10 meets helping him with homework between events.  Your experiences aren't universal.

is that what happened to your kid? lol. I keed I keed 

Posted
9 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Yeah, it's a complete mystery why someone with the disposition to murder someone over petty BS would also be they type of person to carry a knife around and instigate conflict.  Let us all know if you ever figure it out.

You're assuming again.  Could be right, could be wrong.

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Posted
16 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

You're assuming again.  Could be right, could be wrong.

Two recent rumors that should be easy to confirm with cooperation from the HS that I want answers to:  was he skipping school to be at the meet?  

Second - did he in fact, as the rumor-mill from HS kids is saying, get in trouble for bringing a knife to school recently?

Posted
3 hours ago, immamac said:

This thread is embarrassing for all participants. Imagine even pretending to give a shit about this unless you knew these people or were around these communities. 

Yeah, why should people care about a kid being killed. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Pokoloco said:

Yeah, why should people care about a kid being killed. 

Oh, wait...I've got this one!  Isn't this where we demonstrate real leadership, and say "it could've been worse?"  Man, been waiting for the chance to do that! 

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