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38 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

You can count me as a far left CR regular.  IMO, Karmelo provoked him so that he can use his knife.  Karmelo needs to be in jail for the rest of his life

Damn. I have a hard time with that. We’re talking about a 17 year old kid without a fully developed prefrontal cortex. If he’s found guilty, I think he needs to do time, but I don’t think you lock him up and throw away the key. To be honest, I don’t know what the right sentence is and I’m glad it’s not my job to make those types of decisions about people’s lives. 

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2 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

You can count me as a far left CR regular.  IMO, Karmelo provoked him so that he can use his knife.  Karmelo needs to be in jail for the rest of his life

So apparently nuance isn’t important to you. 

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13 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

The part that makes me madly skeptical of any defense is the fact the he brought a knife to a foot fight. 

Granted, it was ages ago, but never at any point during my HS sports life did I consider bringing a knife to any of my sporting events, and people got shot at some of the sporting events I attended. (Non that I played in)

That's the major clue that had me on a super heavy murder lean from the start. Add to it he was in the victims tent, and it just doesn't look good.

I've not heard the notes you pointed out about witness statements, but in fairness, I've not dug in any depth for details either.

When I was in middle school one random day they brought all the boys into the auditorium. They had officials at each of the exits. They told us if we came down and put any weapons on the table there would be no charges. However, If we got up and tried to leave with anything we would be in trouble. Kids were setting down all manner of weapons. I read the next day that close to 300 were confiscated. True story. That was a middle school. Color me not surprised a 17 year old has a weapon.

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On 4/7/2025 at 11:50 AM, Rex Kramer said:

Other kids absolutely do not hang out in tents. I’ve been to meets where I walk by and speak with my daughter. This past meet, run against several Frisco schools on the same day of this cowardly murder, I was asked to leave the side of the field where the athletes and their tents are. That parents weren’t allowed over there. I suspect the answer to your second statement is largely venue dependent. 

I’m not calling you a liar, but athletes absolutely do not hang out under the others’ tents. The statement is preposterous. 

Other kids do go and hang out in tents of other schools which is exactly why you have a watcher in the first place. My daughter's club volleyball teammates also run track at other schools. They will go look for each other and hang.

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When I swam in high school we were all the time in other teams tents or bleacher sections, you knew the other competitors and it was prime territory to meet girls.  
 

Never had a knife but always packed a big gun in the trunks tho. 

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Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, Thatguy said:

When I was in middle school one random day they brought all the boys into the auditorium. They had officials at each of the exits. They told us if we came down and put any weapons on the table there would be no charges. However, If we got up and tried to leave with anything we would be in trouble. Kids were setting down all manner of weapons. I read the next day that close to 300 were confiscated. True story. That was a middle school. Color me not surprised a 17 year old has a weapon.

Apparently he'd already been disciplined for carrying a knife on campus - which is this day, is a BIG problem.  The details will come out, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't suspended. He wasn't participating in the event.  That much seems to be clear.  

 

5 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Other kids do go and hang out in tents of other schools which is exactly why you have a watcher in the first place. My daughter's club volleyball teammates also run track at other schools. They will go look for each other and hang.

Other kids that they know, sure.  Other kids that are not competing, not in school gear, is a completely different matter  

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15 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

You can count me as a far left CR regular.  IMO, Karmelo provoked him so that he can use his knife.  Karmelo needs to be in jail for the rest of his life

Same county, 2015, two white 16 year olds were convicted of murdering a latino classmate at Wylie East because they didn’t like that he was dating a girl one of them liked. They had a whole detailed plan to ambush him in the woods, transport the body and bury it elsewhere. 
 

They were each sentenced to 30 years in prison, eligible for parole after 15. And they were even being charged as adults mind you. No big national story, no outrage, no End Wokeness retweets. But yeah let’s throw away this kid for life.

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Posted
6 hours ago, Thatguy said:

When I was in middle school one random day they brought all the boys into the auditorium. They had officials at each of the exits. They told us if we came down and put any weapons on the table there would be no charges. However, If we got up and tried to leave with anything we would be in trouble. Kids were setting down all manner of weapons. I read the next day that close to 300 were confiscated. True story. That was a middle school. Color me not surprised a 17 year old has a weapon.

I feel naked without a pocketknife on me and have for a long time, going back to high school.  I don't think carrying even a small knife was looked upon particularly favorably in my day, but it mostly depended on whether you flashed it around or not.  This was before the days of metal detectors and at one of the whitest hs in the state.

I likely would have been one of those depositing a knife on the table, unless I thought it would be confiscated.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I feel naked without a pocketknife on me and have for a long time, going back to high school.  I don't think carrying even a small knife was looked upon particularly favorably in my day, but it mostly depended on whether you flashed it around or not.  This was before the days of metal detectors and at one of the whitest hs in the state.

I likely would have been one of those depositing a knife on the table, unless I thought it would be confiscated.

Things and times are definitely different than our track meets in 1A in the 80’s. Our coach would ask to borrow a pocket knife to cut athletic tape, and would bitch about it if no one brought one. 
 

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10 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Apparently he'd already been disciplined for carrying a knife on campus - which is this day, is a BIG problem.  The details will come out, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't suspended. He wasn't participating in the event.  That much seems to be clear.  

 

Other kids that they know, sure.  Other kids that are not competing, not in school gear, is a completely different matter  

That will go for his defense. If he frequently had it on him and he knew someone in their tent then there goes the premeditated.

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10 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I feel naked without a pocketknife on me and have for a long time, going back to high school.  I don't think carrying even a small knife was looked upon particularly favorably in my day, but it mostly depended on whether you flashed it around or not.  This was before the days of metal detectors and at one of the whitest hs in the state.

I likely would have been one of those depositing a knife on the table, unless I thought it would be confiscated.

I grew up in rough areas. I always had something to defend myself with because I knew the dudes you had to worry about were carrying too.

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48 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Same county, 2015, two white 16 year olds were convicted of murdering a latino classmate at Wylie East because they didn’t like that he was dating a girl one of them liked. They had a whole detailed plan to ambush him in the woods, transport the body and bury it elsewhere. 
 

They were each sentenced to 30 years in prison, eligible for parole after 15. And they were even being charged as adults mind you. No big national story, no outrage, no End Wokeness retweets. But yeah let’s throw away this kid for life.

They pled out.  If he pleads guilty, he is probably looking at a similar sentence.

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Posted
6 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Other kids do go and hang out in tents of other schools which is exactly why you have a watcher in the first place. My daughter's club volleyball teammates also run track at other schools. They will go look for each other and hang.

Careful, you're gonna get shouted down that "I was referring to Frisco track meets only", which is not the case, but here we are.

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Careful, you're gonna get shouted down that "I was referring to Frisco track meets only", which is not the case, but here we are.

I mean it's self explanatory Jimmy. If other kids weren't coming to your tent why would you need a watcher? Logic is hard in 2025. Anywho, those track meets are where guys try to work their game on the girls. I am not saying the kid wasn't guilty, but said meet was at his school right? So not totally out of pocket for a kid to be cruising for some track girls. Everywhere we play volleyball most of the football and basketball boys are there trying to pick up the opposing volleyball girls. I was at a game this year and a ball bounced over by this group of boys. One of them said to my kid "let me put you on". My daughter laughed and asked "what are you a freshman?" to the roar of the group. Teenage boys are gonna teenage boy. Especially where there are fit girls in spandex.

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I get the sense that people from Austin and Houston are not able to grasp just how insular the communities and schools of Far North Texas are. I get the sense the watchers aren't there because teens are giggly and flirty with each other @Thatguy. These areas it's more likely there are watcher because they want make sure the kids zoned into their schools via apartments aren't stealing their things. 

I mean, the Fisco mascot was the Coons for the longest time and it was a running joke.

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1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

That will go for his defense. If he frequently had it on him and he knew someone in their tent then there goes the premeditated.

He didn't know anyone at that tent, and he certainly didn't know the victim.  Karmelo's parents stated that in a prepared statement.  Again, there were prior concerns of theft at these meets so the coaches had kids watch the tents during events.  

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57 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 One of them said to my kid "let me put you on". 

 

Is this a pickup line I should learn for the middle age divorced suburban mom dating market and if so WTF does it even mean?

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9 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I get the sense that people from Austin and Houston are not able to grasp just how insular the communities and schools of Far North Texas are. I get the sense the watchers aren't there because teens are giggly and flirty with each other @Thatguy. These areas it's more likely there are watcher because they want make sure the kids zoned into their schools via apartments aren't stealing their things. 

I mean, the Fisco mascot was the Coons for the longest time and it was a running joke.

Because Houston doesn't have these same problems? There is nowhere with worse zoning issues than Houston. Doesn't make my description of what happens at track meets any less accurate.

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4 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

He didn't know anyone at that tent, and he certainly didn't know the victim.  Karmelo's parents stated that in a prepared statement.  Again, there were prior concerns of theft at these meets so the coaches had kids watch the tents during events.  

So he was just sitting under that tent with a hoodie on and a knife in his hand? Or was he there chatting up a female?

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Just now, Thatguy said:

Because Houston doesn't have these same problems? There is nowhere with worse zoning issues than Houston. Doesn't make my description of what happens at track meets any less accurate.

Good points and I honestly don't know with respect to Houston and the culture of highschools and track meets that you are describing. Maybe it's a universal experience with all teens and schools as you seem to suggest, but what makes you so sure of it? I moved to this area a few years ago and can say from my firsthand experience I'd never seen anything quite like it from my stints in other areas of Dallas, Austin and Houston.

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Just now, Not a cat said:

 

Is this a pickup line I should learn for the middle age divorced suburban mom dating market and if so WTF does it even mean?

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I'm laughing at the image of a self-described middle aged divorced suburban dad using AAVE to pick up the middle aged suburban mom.

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1 minute ago, Vegas64 said:

Good points and I honestly don't know with respect to Houston and the culture of highschools and track meets that you are describing. Maybe it's a universal experience with all teens and schools as you seem to suggest, but what makes you so sure of it? I moved to this area a few years ago and can say from my firsthand experience I'd never seen anything quite like it from my stints in other areas of Dallas, Austin and Houston.

Because Texas track culture is largely all the same. It starts with track clubs for the littles. My daughter ran for Beast Mode til she was 10. Then high school.

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8 minutes ago, Not a cat said:

 

Is this a pickup line I should learn for the middle age divorced suburban mom dating market and if so WTF does it even mean?

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3 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I'm laughing at the image of a self-described middle aged divorced suburban dad using AAVE to pick up the middle aged suburban mom.

Yeah. It doesn't even work on my daughter. She says it gives her the ick. She is a super proper, well-to-do suburban girl.

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On 4/3/2025 at 3:28 PM, crash_davis said:

so this is the real derka...

this thread will go on for another 3 pages. 

 

On 4/3/2025 at 3:31 PM, Bill Brasky said:

i'll take the over 

after just reading the last seven pages of this shitass thread, some people owe derka an apology.

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Just now, sidis said:

 

after just reading the last seven pages of this shitass thread, some people owe derka an apology.

No, quite the opposite. Derka owes us an apology for setting the tone in this shitass thread. He doomed it from the start.

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9 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Good points and I honestly don't know with respect to Houston and the culture of highschools and track meets that you are describing. Maybe it's a universal experience with all teens and schools as you seem to suggest, but what makes you so sure of it? I moved to this area a few years ago and can say from my firsthand experience I'd never seen anything quite like it from my stints in other areas of Dallas, Austin and Houston.

To elaborate, track athletes run for track clubs just like AAU for basketball and club volleyball. So by 17 these kids all know each other and are moving around at these events. My daughter has now played with kids from Pearland, Dawson, Manvel, Clear Falls, Clear Brook, Clear Lake, Santa Fe, Ridge Point, Dulles, Tompkins, Pasadena, Sam Rayburn, Beaumont, Bridge City, Kingwood, Cy-Fair, Oak Ridge, Jersey Village, Clear Springs, Alvin, St Agnes, Clear Creek, and Klein. Those are just the kids she has played with and doesn't include the kids she has trained with or knows from competing against. Track is the same way and so these kids move around a lot. It is totally different than when we were young.

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3 minutes ago, royiv said:

No, quite the opposite. Derka owes us an apology for setting the tone in this shitass thread. He doomed it from the start.

while i agree that he screwed up which i explained to him, he did not invoke the fucking diatribes over north texas track meet tent etiquette and watcher roles, nor the pedantry on charging or sentencing guidelines.

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37 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

So he was just sitting under that tent with a hoodie on and a knife in his hand? Or was he there chatting up a female?

Do you really not know the details of the story?  

Coaches warned their teams to watch the tents due to concerns of theft.

At most of these track meets, spectators stay in the home side stands and fence surrounding the track. Competitors set up their tents in the visitor's stands and surrounding area. Spectators don't go over there, just athletes and coaches.  Nothing I have seen or heard indicates he was trying to talk to girls, just that he was caught at their tent and things escalated unusually fast.

Everything reported makes it appear that he did this deliberately.  He wasn't wearing any school uniforms or identification.  The knife was in his bag.  When told to leave he postured with the "make me...see what happens" line and stabbed the victim when he closed the distance with the attacker.  This all seems deliberate.

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Have not seen any reports one what type of knife he was carrying.  Was it a pocket knife with a 3" blade that a lot of Texans carry routinely?  Or a fixed blade 6" knife that you would only carry to stab someone?

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1 minute ago, Frank Drebin said:

Have not seen any reports one what type of knife he was carrying.  Was it a pocket knife with a 3" blade that a lot of Texans carry routinely?  Or a fixed blade 6" knife that you would only carry to stab someone?

Could have been a 6" filet knife that would be carried to filet fish or, of course, stab someone.

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14 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

Could have been a 6" filet knife that would be carried to filet fish or, of course, stab someone.

Not sure how good a filet knife would be at stabbing someone in the chest.  

I was just curious if he was carrying a pocket knife or the Jackhawk 9000.

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46 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Do you really not know the details of the story?  

Coaches warned their teams to watch the tents due to concerns of theft.

At most of these track meets, spectators stay in the home side stands and fence surrounding the track. Competitors set up their tents in the visitor's stands and surrounding area. Spectators don't go over there, just athletes and coaches.  Nothing I have seen or heard indicates he was trying to talk to girls, just that he was caught at their tent and things escalated unusually fast.

Everything reported makes it appear that he did this deliberately.  He wasn't wearing any school uniforms or identification.  The knife was in his bag.  When told to leave he postured with the "make me...see what happens" line and stabbed the victim when he closed the distance with the attacker.  This all seems deliberate.

I know as much as you know. He runs track right? I find it hard to believe that he randomly chose that tent to go to. If he was looking to steal why would he choose a tent that was occupied? You say he didn't know those kids so why would he pick them? Something doesn't add up. Again, this isn't saying he is or isn't guilty.

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Just now, Thatguy said:

I know as much as you know. He runs track right? I find it hard to believe that he randomly chose that tent to go to. If he was looking to steal why would he choose a tent that was occupied? You say he didn't know those kids so why would he pick them? Something doesn't add up. Again, this isn't saying he is or isn't guilty.

Even taking his version of events, he is pretty much guilty of murder.  Nothing suggests using lethal force was justified.

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6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I know as much as you know. He runs track right? I find it hard to believe that he randomly chose that tent to go to. If he was looking to steal why would he choose a tent that was occupied? You say he didn't know those kids so why would he pick them? Something doesn't add up. Again, this isn't saying he is or isn't guilty.

As I understand it, he was there prior to the victim walking up - as in he was already under the tent, causing the victim to bark at him to get away and the escalation ensued.  

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9 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Even taking his version of events, he is pretty much guilty of murder.  Nothing suggests using lethal force was justified.

We will see. There are a lot of witnesses. Kids don't elaborate well, especially under pressure. You know this.

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4 hours ago, Helobious said:

Same county, 2015, two white 16 year olds were convicted of murdering a latino classmate at Wylie East because they didn’t like that he was dating a girl one of them liked. They had a whole detailed plan to ambush him in the woods, transport the body and bury it elsewhere. 
 

They were each sentenced to 30 years in prison, eligible for parole after 15. And they were even being charged as adults mind you. No big national story, no outrage, no End Wokeness retweets. But yeah let’s throw away this kid for life.

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Same with the 2 you cited.

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34 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

As I understand it, he was there prior to the victim walking up - as in he was already under the tent, causing the victim to bark at him to get away and the escalation ensued.  

That's how I understood it as well. @Thatguy also to note, from what I've seen in the area (Frisco/Prosper) these kids like the victim Austin Metcalf and others aren't track atheletes and hypertrained and focused on the sport. They are football players who do track in the Spring because their coaches ask them to and to maintain conditioning and training. They aren't growing up together as competitors in some AAU-version of track and have grown relationships around their competitors.

Maybe for Karmelo Anthony it was different and there's a different sub-culture that I'm sure exists where there are kids that train and compete like your daughter, but I would venture a guess that your experience is not germane to what we are going to find out happened here when the dust settles. But until it plays out I guess we can all spill a lot of ink about it and listen to each other's Tent Talks.

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51 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

That's how I understood it as well. @Thatguy also to note, from what I've seen in the area (Frisco/Prosper) these kids like the victim Austin Metcalf and others aren't track atheletes and hypertrained and focused on the sport. They are football players who do track in the Spring because their coaches ask them to and to maintain conditioning and training. They aren't growing up together as competitors in some AAU-version of track and have grown relationships around their competitors.

Maybe for Karmelo Anthony it was different and there's a different sub-culture that I'm sure exists where there are kids that train and compete like your daughter, but I would venture a guess that your experience is not germane to what we are going to find out happened here when the dust settles. But until it plays out I guess we can all spill a lot of ink about it and listen to each other's Tent Talks.

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24 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

That's how I understood it as well. @Thatguy also to note, from what I've seen in the area (Frisco/Prosper) these kids like the victim Austin Metcalf and others aren't track atheletes and hypertrained and focused on the sport. They are football players who do track in the Spring because their coaches ask them to and to maintain conditioning and training. They aren't growing up together as competitors in some AAU-version of track and have grown relationships around their competitors.

Maybe for Karmelo Anthony it was different and there's a different sub-culture that I'm sure exists where there are kids that train and compete like your daughter, but I would venture a guess that your experience is not germane to what we are going to find out happened here when the dust settles. But until it plays out I guess we can all spill a lot of ink about it and listen to each other's Tent Talks.

Again. Athletes know the other athletes from surrounding schools. My daughter's high school teammate showed up to our volleyball banquet with Jonah Williams on her arm who goes to Galveston Ball. We are in their district so they likely met at..... you guessed it.......a track meet. Both kids are not primarily track athletes. Again, these kids move around talking to one another. Half the girls on our volleyball team are dating kids from other schools. Part of me is wondering if you guys have high school athletes as you don't seem to be in touch with how things go.

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Just now, Thatguy said:

Again. Athletes know the other athletes from surrounding schools. My daughter's high school teammate showed up to our volleyball banquet with Jonah Williams on her arm who goes to Galveston Ball. We are in their district so they likely met at..... you guessed it.......a track meet. Both kids are not primarily track athletes. Again, these kids move around talking to one another. Half the girls on our volleyball team are dating kids from other schools. Part of me is wondering if you guys have high school athletes as you don't seem to be in touch with how things go.

Karmelo's family put out a statement that the boys did not know one another.  

 

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