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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

The victim/family are the most affected members of society, and they stand as a good proxy for what a prosecution should accomplish.  And, the system is made of human beings; it is right and good that the victim/family are treated seriously, and that cops and prosecutors take the duty to them personally.  But in the end, they are all serving the state (society as a whole), not just the victim/family.

I served on a criminal jury in a domestic violence case last year.   The victim testified in the trial (matter of fact testimony) and it was such open and shut case we reached a guilty verdict in less than 5 minutes.   In the sentencing phase, the victim did not testify/give an impact statement or stick around.  We deliberated about a day and a half on jail time vs. probation and landed on max probation.  I was initially jail time and it was split down the middle on day 1.  It was a fascinating deliberation experience for a bunch of reasons I won't get into for purposes of this thread and we ended up compromising at max probation.  But what I personally struggled with was not knowing what the victim wanted.  She was unemotional in trial testimony.  If she would have testified at sentencing phase she wanted him in jail I would have 100% deferred to her wishes and not budged (and I think others would have felt the same).  So in my experience the victim could have likely dictated a harsher outcome should they have wished.  FWIW - I ended up reading it correctly in my gut as I spoke at length with prosecutor at end of trial that said victim had just moved on and was somewhat indifferent to punishment as long as he was found guilty (and prosecutor was very happy with max probation). 

I think after going through that I would almost certainly put very high value on what the victim (or their family) desired (should they articulate it) in punishment phase of a higher stakes criminal trial as well.   

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14 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, that's kind of good to hear.  It's kind of amusing to me to hear of younger folks than I talking about white flight, not that it's not still a thing.

My parents moved to a great white ISD before segregation was a thing, before the Civil Rights Act, before busing, because my Dad's sister worked as a teacher at the high school during and after the war and told him it was the best school in Dallas.  And Dad attended SMU on the GI Bill, and lived at a relative's house near campus.  

I lived through busing riots in Boston and some lower-profile controversy in Dallas myself.  And I think that's what really commenced white flight and a lot of that was of the more purely racially motivated type, rather than the "best schools with homes I can afford type.".

One phenomenon that's bizarre to me is how Dallas and Houston, and I guess most (Southern?) cities, seem to abandon suburbs after about a generation or so, moving further out from the city center and leaving a formerly nice suburb to the poors, occasionally to regentrify.  None of them seem to become Tarrytowns or Windsor, NW Hills or Preston Hollow, or even Lakewood.

 

 

 

 

White flight is white suburbanites moving away from Asians who are kicking their kids asses in academics.  

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9 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I served on a criminal jury in a domestic violence case last year.   The victim testified in the trial (matter of fact testimony) and it was such open and shut case we reached a guilty verdict in less than 5 minutes.   In the sentencing phase, the victim did not testify/give an impact statement or stick around.  We deliberated about a day and a half on jail time vs. probation and landed on max probation.  I was initially jail time and it was split down the middle on day 1.  It was a fascinating deliberation experience for a bunch of reasons I won't get into for purposes of this thread and we ended up compromising at max probation.  But what I personally struggled with was not knowing what the victim wanted.  She was unemotional in trial testimony.  If she would have testified at sentencing phase she wanted him in jail I would have 100% deferred to her wishes and not budged (and I think others would have felt the same).  So in my experience the victim could have likely dictated a harsher outcome should they have wished.  FWIW - I ended up reading it correctly in my gut as I spoke at length with prosecutor at end of trial that said victim had just moved on and was somewhat indifferent to punishment as long as he was found guilty (and prosecutor was very happy with max probation). 

I think after going through that I would almost certainly put very high value on what the victim (or their family) desired (should they articulate it) in punishment phase of a higher stakes criminal trial as well.   

A domestic violence case is a perfect case for that sort of scenario.  While, yes, society as a whole is at some risk from a domestic abuser, that crime is such an intimate and personal one that the victim has particularly high stakes, interest, and perspective to offer.  So, yes, as a juror I too would have been very interested and likely deferential to what the victim said and wanted.

And yes, ALL crime is personal - particularly to the victim - but you know what I mean in making that distinction.  

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Posted
14 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

White flight is white suburbanites moving away from Asians who are kicking their kids asses in academics.  

Then that is NOT Frisco.....;)

Posted
17 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

White flight is white suburbanites moving away from Asians who are kicking their kids asses in academics.  

My limited experience with that is the cheapest rental or apartment that can be found and a long daily commute, but definitely no actual flight. 

Posted
22 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Then that is NOT Frisco.....;)

Not modern Frisco but maybe of 20 years ago?   It’s not just academics.  For sports Asians aren’t exactly earning a lot of D1 scholarships.  What I’ve read antidotally is “no longer feels American”

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6 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Not modern Frisco but maybe of 20 years ago?   It’s not just academics.  For sports Asians aren’t exactly earning a lot of D1 scholarships.  What I’ve read antidotally is “no longer feels American”

For sure.  We moved in back in '04, so I do have 20 years of experience.  For many it was proximity to so many large corporate headquarters (Countrywide, JCP, Frito Lay, etc.) and the ability to get in on fairly new housing developments.  We were in Lone Star initially (west side of Frisco) and then moved into PCR.  Same reasons, new development, builders giving away the farm on new builds.  We moved less than a mile but needed the space with two kids so we upgraded.  

Frisco caps all it's HS's @ 5A, so there are 12 of them and two more in the works.  Smaller schools with a stellar reputation for the most part as a district.  I have a good neighbor who is Indian that I corrupting over time.  He was a truck now, albeit 4x2....pusssssyyyyy.....;)

From his stories so many Indian/Asian families move in and bring their extended families.  Then friends of friends follow.  If I was doing the same, it makes perfect sense.  Apparently, an Indian Guru also blessed the city, paving a path for many families from India who see this as a good omen.  Massive temple off Eldorado, etc.  

We're blessed bitches!

The ONLY bad thing is my daughter struggles to be in the top 10 %, but then again, push yourself little goblin.  Shit isn't supposed to be easy.

Posted
1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, that's kind of good to hear.  It's kind of amusing to me to hear of younger folks than I talking about white flight, not that it's not still a thing.

My parents moved to a great white ISD before segregation was a thing, before the Civil Rights Act, before busing, because my Dad's sister worked as a teacher at the high school during and after the war and told him it was the best school in Dallas.  And Dad attended SMU on the GI Bill, and lived at a relative's house near campus.  

I lived through busing riots in Boston and some lower-profile controversy in Dallas myself.  And I think that's what really commenced white flight and a lot of that was of the more purely racially motivated type, rather than the "best schools with homes I can afford type.".

One phenomenon that's bizarre to me is how Dallas and Houston, and I guess most (Southern?) cities, seem to abandon suburbs after about a generation or so, moving further out from the city center and leaving a formerly nice suburb to the poors, occasionally to regentrify.  None of them seem to become Tarrytowns or Windsor, NW Hills or Preston Hollow, or even Lakewood.

 

 

 

 

The common denominator is apartments imho. Once they come in, developers get to work expanding out. 

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Posted
29 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Frisco caps all it's HS's @ 5A, so there are 12 of them and two more in the works.  Smaller schools with a stellar reputation for the most part as a district.  I have a good neighbor who is Indian that I corrupting over time.  He was a truck now, albeit 4x2....pusssssyyyyy.....;)

From his stories so many Indian/Asian families move in and bring their extended families.  Then friends of friends follow.  If I was doing the same, it makes perfect sense.  Apparently, an Indian Guru also blessed the city, paving a path for many families from India who see this as a good omen.  Massive temple off Eldorado, etc.  

We're blessed bitches!

The ONLY bad thing is my daughter struggles to be in the top 10 %, but then again, push yourself little goblin.  Shit isn't supposed to be easy.

Similar experience for me. My Indian neighbor is a Trump fan believe it or not.

Another Indian on our street is on an H1 visa. Lived in an apartment for 5 years before buying a $900k house. Between he and his wife (Infosys) they probably w2 about that.

Thats why all the indopak and india marts and desi chowrathra and all the Indian fast food places are everywhere. You go to HEB and it’s half Indians.

Which checks out if you guys have worked anywhere that pays really well recently (big tech or consulting), and mirrors the stats when like 80% of CEO’s for the F500 are a combination of either white male or Indians.

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Posted
50 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

What I’ve read antidotally

 

28 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Username DOES NOT check out.

 

14 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Ackshually, the username does kind of check out, then/than.

 

Unless, of course, they meant that they read this information in an attempt to cure themselves of their ignorance on the subject, in which case the username once again does not check out.  I think?

Posted
24 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Similar experience for me. My Indian neighbor is a Trump fan believe it or not.

Another Indian on our street is on an H1 visa. Lived in an apartment for 5 years before buying a $900k house. Between he and his wife (Infosys) they probably w2 about that.

Thats why all the indopak and india marts and desi chowrathra and all the Indian fast food places are everywhere. You go to HEB and it’s half Indians.

Which checks out if you guys have worked anywhere that pays really well recently (big tech or consulting), and mirrors the stats when like 80% of CEO’s for the F500 are a combination of either white male or Indians.

Do we live in the same neighborhood? 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, immamac said:

OK, I keep changing my opinion. Now I think they should have a family cage death match.

For the record, I was informed that suggestions of Thunderdome or similar ideas is a clear indication of being a racist Trump supporter a few pages back. 

Thought you should know.

Posted
31 minutes ago, BLKNSTY said:

RIP to Austin but an important lesson on why you need to keep your hands to yourself. self defense IMO.

1) Zero evidence thus far has been presented that this was a case of self defense. NONE Doesn't mean some won't surface but no evidence has been provided to this point.

2) The accused was in the team tent of the victim. Why don't know why, but it's reasonably logical to conclude the accused was the aggressor not the other way around. This is supposition, based on known facts. 

3) The accused brought a knife to a track meet. This is known fact. The accused took the knife he brought to a track meet and then went to the tent of the victim. It's supposition but reasonable to conclude that particularly when combined with #2 above. 

4) Below is a cut and paste from a lawyer in Texas. It's a clarification around self defense and escalation.

Spoiler

When Apparent Danger Might Not Apply

While apparent danger can be a powerful justification in self-defense situations, it’s important to understand its limitations under Texas law. Here are some situations where apparent danger might not be a valid defense:

  • Initiating a Fight: Texas law emphasizes self-defense, not aggression. If you were the initial aggressor in a situation, even if the other person escalated the violence, apparent danger likely wouldn’t apply.
  • Using Excessive Force: The use of force in self-defense must be reasonable. If you respond to a perceived threat with excessive force that goes beyond what’s necessary to stop the immediate danger, apparent danger might not be a viable defense.
  • Misidentification of Threat: While a mistaken belief of danger can be considered under apparent danger, there are limits. If you completely misidentify a non-threatening situation as a threat and use force, it would be difficult to argue apparent danger
  • Texas also has specific laws regarding self-defense in your home (Castle Doctrine) and in public places (Stand Your Ground). While these concepts can sometimes overlap with apparent danger, they have their own legal nuances. If your self-defense situation occurred in your home or a public place, it’s important to consult with an attorney to understand which legal defense might be most applicable.

Texas Self Defense Law - Criminal Lawyer Interpretation

So, based only on the facts we currently know for sure. 

The accused brought a knife to a track meet and when to the team tent of the victim. Then, the accused stabbed the victim with a knife. The victim died. 

It's logical to conclude, but it is supposition that the accused was the aggressor based on know facts.

It's logical to conclude that the victim told the accused to leave. 

It's logical to conclude that the victim may have attempted to physically remove the accused from the tent. That act under Texas stand your ground law/castle doctrine may be covered. 

What you can't legally do, if someone tries to remove you from a place where they belong and you don't/aren't wanted is escalate to stabbing them. The self defense doesn't play here, as the accused went to the victims "castle". Whether or not the accused intended violence prior, if he didn't leave when asked it is aggression, and the accused chose an escalation path. Even if the victim tried to push him out physically, that doesn't qualify as reason to escalate as the accused could have just left Being in the tent in the first place could easily be perceived as aggression by the victim and most jurys/judges would agree particularly if the victim asked him to leave and he didn't. That's without including the fact the accused brought a knife. 

Based on current known facts, there is nothing that supports a self defense claim as bring a knife to a track meet and going to the victims tent is easily perceived as clear indication of aggression. Hell, the accused didn't even need to have the knife for his actions to have appeared aggressive.

Evidence may well surface that alters thing, but currently, based only on know facts, self defense doesn't apply.

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I don't think a tent at a UIL meet is anyone's "castle" but this isn't even a legal question being raised. It's a matter of common sense. Don't escalate, don't try to be billy badass, run away from danger. You never know what the other person is willing and able to do.

Posted
1 minute ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

I would yell at him too. But that's because I'm still bitter about the 2003 final four.

He could contributed a lot from the bench on some of those Mavs teams.

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On 4/18/2025 at 9:21 AM, Im_smarter_then_you said:

We don’t talk about school shootings anymore either.  It’s just not a rare occurrence tragically.  
 

how many times has a murder happened at a track meet?

at least once 

Posted
8 hours ago, royiv said:

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So much to unpack on this one but nobody got time for that...

I'll go top 3.

1) It truly looks like this guy is sitting alone in his "hobble chair" in an empty parking lot. Hearts and minds. Change! (spare change, got some)

2) the dirt road ministry, I don't care what stupid "symbolic" bullshit they're using/trying to use. dirt road ministry 

3) flying both the rebel flag and US flag. Pick a fucking side. 

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On 4/19/2025 at 10:48 AM, BurntEyes said:

1) Zero evidence thus far has been presented that this was a case of self defense. NONE Doesn't mean some won't surface but no evidence has been provided to this point.

2) The accused was in the team tent of the victim. Why don't know why, but it's reasonably logical to conclude the accused was the aggressor not the other way around. This is supposition, based on known facts. 

3) The accused brought a knife to a track meet. This is known fact. The accused took the knife he brought to a track meet and then went to the tent of the victim. It's supposition but reasonable to conclude that particularly when combined with #2 above. 

4) Below is a cut and paste from a lawyer in Texas. It's a clarification around self defense and escalation.

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When Apparent Danger Might Not Apply

While apparent danger can be a powerful justification in self-defense situations, it’s important to understand its limitations under Texas law. Here are some situations where apparent danger might not be a valid defense:

  • Initiating a Fight: Texas law emphasizes self-defense, not aggression. If you were the initial aggressor in a situation, even if the other person escalated the violence, apparent danger likely wouldn’t apply.
  • Using Excessive Force: The use of force in self-defense must be reasonable. If you respond to a perceived threat with excessive force that goes beyond what’s necessary to stop the immediate danger, apparent danger might not be a viable defense.
  • Misidentification of Threat: While a mistaken belief of danger can be considered under apparent danger, there are limits. If you completely misidentify a non-threatening situation as a threat and use force, it would be difficult to argue apparent danger
  • Texas also has specific laws regarding self-defense in your home (Castle Doctrine) and in public places (Stand Your Ground). While these concepts can sometimes overlap with apparent danger, they have their own legal nuances. If your self-defense situation occurred in your home or a public place, it’s important to consult with an attorney to understand which legal defense might be most applicable.

Texas Self Defense Law - Criminal Lawyer Interpretation

So, based only on the facts we currently know for sure. 

The accused brought a knife to a track meet and when to the team tent of the victim. Then, the accused stabbed the victim with a knife. The victim died. 

It's logical to conclude, but it is supposition that the accused was the aggressor based on know facts.

It's logical to conclude that the victim told the accused to leave. 

It's logical to conclude that the victim may have attempted to physically remove the accused from the tent. That act under Texas stand your ground law/castle doctrine may be covered. 

What you can't legally do, if someone tries to remove you from a place where they belong and you don't/aren't wanted is escalate to stabbing them. The self defense doesn't play here, as the accused went to the victims "castle". Whether or not the accused intended violence prior, if he didn't leave when asked it is aggression, and the accused chose an escalation path. Even if the victim tried to push him out physically, that doesn't qualify as reason to escalate as the accused could have just left Being in the tent in the first place could easily be perceived as aggression by the victim and most jurys/judges would agree particularly if the victim asked him to leave and he didn't. That's without including the fact the accused brought a knife. 

Based on current known facts, there is nothing that supports a self defense claim as bring a knife to a track meet and going to the victims tent is easily perceived as clear indication of aggression. Hell, the accused didn't even need to have the knife for his actions to have appeared aggressive.

Evidence may well surface that alters thing, but currently, based only on know facts, self defense doesn't apply.

What a bunch of bullshit, that attorney doesn’t know use of force law

Posted
1 hour ago, Deej said:

Really getting in to the "What would Jesus do?" thing for Easter Weekend, I see.

Maybe He would get crucified?  Seems to be a good idea for more and more bad actors these days.

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"White Americans have been suppressed for generations. We have been told to sit at the back of the bus...We are standing against Black violence against white Americans." — Jake Lang, PWA organizer and J6er.

Do not kid yourselves, this kind of baldfaced lie is exactly what underlies "DEI, CRT, woke" bullshit  and who and what it appeals to.

This is not a reasonable debate over the merits of affirmative action (which actually may have been a thing once upon a time in America).  Why can it not be couched this way?  Because affirmative action is now legally dead in most respects.

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Posted
Just now, BabaYaga said:

Grifters gonna grift, they are not localized to any "side", demographic, or political affiliation.  Fuck them all.  

At least Metcalf told "Protect White Americans" and their 4 followers to get fucked.  Now if we could just get "Next Generation Action Network" to exit stage left. 

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