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Just now, chainsaw said:

What do you think stand your ground means?

In Texas, it means you can resist with force up to deadly force iif you reasonably believe that the other actor:

C) was committing or attempting to commit aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery;

And your use of force was immediately necessary to stop it. So no, if someone shoves you in a bar you don’t get to tit for tat climb the escalation ladder.  If someone is attempting to rape you, you can shoot them even if there is an escape avenue. 

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1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

In Texas, it means you can resist with force up to deadly force iif you reasonably believe that the other actor:

C) was committing or attempting to commit aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery;

And your use of force was immediately necessary to stop it. So no, if someone shoves you in a bar you don’t get to tit for tat climb the escalation ladder.  If someone is attempting to rape you, you can shoot them even if there is an escape avenue. 

I'm not convinced that's the only type of stand your ground. Stand Your Ground generally means that if someone else starts the fight, you are not expected to retreat. Simple as that.

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5 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Ok, I cited the Texas penal code, I invite you to do the same.  Or just believe hard enough, I guess that works too.

I quoted the Texas law for murder for him 3 different times. He wanted to argue over really stupid semantics that were irrelevant about if using a knife qualifies as serious bodily injury.

He's trolling, delusional or extremely stupid. 

Edit - Wait a minute... just hold on. He's using hopium and maybe a little copium along with semantics and delusion to try and make himself/herself seem correct despite Texas law and all evidence to the contrary.

Maybe s/he's an aggie?

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4 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's just because the ones you see that get in front of cameras are pretty much all like this. The ACLU employes hundreds of advocates but I bet you couldn't name a single one off the top of your head.

I should have said non-lawyer civil rights advocates.  But yeah, I guess it's the ones seeking the spotlight that actually are, pretty inherently, grifters.

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12 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

This this where you want to take a what I thought was cool personal story I told about a very selfless person that served the US and its citizens for the bulk of her life? 

I never noted which president she didn't meet. 

I already explained that the last one was a lifetime award and she didn't feel she'd earned such an award for just doing her job. She also didn't like Trump because shes a racist that hates white people.

You put the "thanks" in quotes and thanks Obama is the meme. I work with the material given. Try to keep up.

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Anyone remember that video that went viral a few years ago of some really aggro dipshit in a Costco who was clearly carrying a concealed gun trying to pick a fight with someone to give himself an excuse to shoot them? As if he thought that if he got them to push him he'd be legally justified in shooting them? 

Chainsaw seems to think like that guy.

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Back when HEB had mask mandates I would almost always see 1 or 2 dipshits walking around wearing camo and not wearing a mask, clearly daring some poor store employee to confront them. Some were open carrying too. We live in the dumbest state.

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

Anyone remember that video that went viral a few years ago of some really aggro dipshit in a Costco who was clearly carrying a concealed gun trying to pick a fight with someone to give himself an excuse to shoot them? As if he thought that if he got them to push him he'd be legally justified in shooting them? 

Chainsaw seems to think like that guy.

It all depends who starts the fight, doesn't it?

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12 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

It all depends who starts the fight, doesn't it?

Most fights, when someone pulls out a gun and uses it to kill someone, it is murder.  Regardless of who starts it.  There are exceptions, if you are having your head slammed into a curb or one party is on the ground and getting repeatedly kicked in the head, you can use deadly force to stop it.  But standard fist play or pushing matches, not even close.

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

Anyone remember that video that went viral a few years ago of some really aggro dipshit in a Costco who was clearly carrying a concealed gun trying to pick a fight with someone to give himself an excuse to shoot them? As if he thought that if he got them to push him he'd be legally justified in shooting them? 

Chainsaw seems to think like that guy.

Or the protestor who gets right in someone's face, swats their phone from their hand and then when that person pushes them away, starts yelling assault at the top of their lungs.

Way to many examples of entitlement stupidity, sadly.

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6 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Most fights, when someone pulls out a gun and uses it to kill someone, it is murder.  Regardless of who starts it.  There are exceptions, if you are having your head slammed into a curb or one party is on the ground and getting repeatedly kicked in the head, you can use deadly force to stop it.  But standard fist play or pushing matches, not even close.

Well, another big other factor is location and what the person who is shot was doing prior.

Inside a home, in Texas all bets are off. Breaking into that person's car, all bets are off. 

Attempting to rape a woman, and she pulls a gun, self defense.

Group of people that aggressively approach an individual(s) trying to start a fight, could qualify as self defense.

Two jackasses getting into it in a bar then one pulls a gun.... almost never self defense.

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“Stand your ground” laws in Texas are only about the use of lethal force. You never had a duty to retreat from using proportional self-defense. Using “stand your ground” in the context of a shoving match makes no sense.  

The idea that stand your ground is about giving someone who “didn’t start it” permission to escalate arguments all the way up to killing is frankly insane. 

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1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

Most fights, when someone pulls out a gun and uses it to kill someone, it is murder.  Regardless of who starts it.  There are exceptions, if you are having your head slammed into a curb or one party is on the ground and getting repeatedly kicked in the head, you can use deadly force to stop it.  But standard fist play or pushing matches, not even close.

You clearly missed the Channel 2 local new piece by the bald, aggy ring wearing guy.  I'm sure many criminal lawyers are citing that video instead of the penal code and caselaw these days.

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52 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

“Stand your ground” laws in Texas are only about the use of lethal force. You never had a duty to retreat from using proportional self-defense. Using “stand your ground” in the context of a shoving match makes no sense.  

The idea that stand your ground is about giving someone who “didn’t start it” permission to escalate arguments all the way up to killing is frankly insane. 

But Anthony was standing on the ground, so "Stand Your ground" should absolutely apply in this case.

-Chainsaw probably 

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14 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said:

You clearly missed the Channel 2 local new piece by the bald, aggy ring wearing guy.  I'm sure many criminal lawyers are citing that video instead of the penal code and caselaw these days.

Part of me is curious for the aggie lulz and the other part of me doesn't want to know what he said because stupidity rage.

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32 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Part of me is curious for the aggie lulz and the other part of me doesn't want to know what he said because stupidity rage.

Even in that stupid video he's not eligible.  He had a knife on campus which is a criminal offense, thus engaged in criminal activity and not eligible for stand your ground.

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