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17 year old stabbed to death by another 17 year old at Frisco track meet

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#1251
1 hour ago, Vegas64 said:

This is going to be about race, isn't it?

Many have already made it about that.

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#1253
2 hours ago, Vegas64 said:

This is going to be about race, isn't it?

Well, it was at a track meet.

#1254
On 6/24/2025 at 2:14 PM, Brian Fantana said:

Does first-degree murder in Texas require planning or no? #notalawyer

There is no "first degree" murder in Texas. There are "first degree felonies" many of which are not murder. It establishes a sentencing range of 5 to 99 or life.

Here's the Texas homicide statute. https://tcss.legis.texas.gov/resources/PE/htm/PE.19.htm

Premeditation is not required.

#1255
On 5/19/2025 at 10:44 AM, Dahobbs said:

No, it is the account of a either a crazy person, a bot, or a someone just trying to get views. Go look at his other posts. Getting yourself worked up because this person posts inane rants is stupid. Stop with the "rage" and try thinking for half a second. 

On the other hand, there are people like Jake Lang, a violent January 6 protestor pardoned by Trump, saying all kinds of blatantly racist shit to the wild cheers of Trump voters everywhere. https://nypost.com/2025/04/19/us-news/austin-metcalfs-dad-trashes-maga-protestors-who-rallied-for-slain-teen-they-dont-give-a-s-t-about-my-family/

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#1257
37 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

On the other hand, there are people like Jake Lang, a violent January 6 protestor pardoned by Trump, saying all kinds of blatantly racist shit to the wild cheers of Trump voters everywhere. https://nypost.com/2025/04/19/us-news/austin-metcalfs-dad-trashes-maga-protestors-who-rallied-for-slain-teen-they-dont-give-a-s-t-about-my-family/

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The group Jake lang founded is called Protect White Americans. Guy to his left appears to be not white American?

#1259
2 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Guy to his left appears to be not white American?

“They’re p—ing on Austin Metcalf’s grave because he’s white. If he was black, they would not be pissing on his grave,” said featured speaker Philip Anderson, a black man who was also arrested at the January 6 riot.

#1260
11 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

The group Jake lang founded is called Protect White Americans. Guy to his left appears to be not white American?

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#1261
10 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

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Had to look up that t- shirt. This tracks, silly Qnut:

usually feature the popular joke, "They're not conspiracy theories, they are spoiler alerts"

#1263
15 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

On the other hand, there are people like Jake Lang, a violent January 6 protestor pardoned by Trump, saying all kinds of blatantly racist shit to the wild cheers of Trump voters everywhere. https://nypost.com/2025/04/19/us-news/austin-metcalfs-dad-trashes-maga-protestors-who-rallied-for-slain-teen-they-dont-give-a-s-t-about-my-family/

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Let's remember that Austin Metcalf's father told this guy to get fucked.

This thing went into racial overdrive when Anthony's family hired Next Generation Action Network and Dominque Alexander as family spokesman.

#1266
15 hours ago, BigDHornfan said:

Jury is seated.

Not one African American.

Two potential black jurors were struck by prosecutors due to them being educators.

I'm guessing there are several Indians and East Asians on the jury, perhaps even close to a majority.

#1267
22 hours ago, Don Johnson said:

Let's remember that Austin Metcalf's father told this guy to get fucked.

This thing went into racial overdrive when Anthony's family hired Next Generation Action Network and Dominque Alexander as family spokesman.

First off, I'm not sure I'd go casting blame for racial overdrive on anyone but the racists and for clarity here, I mean the white and non-black ones.

I'm glad and it's a good thing that Metcalf's dad repudiates Lang and his ilk. That does not change the dynamic here.

In case you hadn't noticed, black folks have a long history of being fucked over by the dominant white folks.

But Jake Lang did his deal April 18, 2025, while right-wing media announced the involvement of Alexander in the exact same time frame.

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Activist Connected To Karmelo Anthony Has Lengthy Crimina...

An activist connected to Karmelo Anthony, a 17-year-old man accused of stabbing a teenager to death in Texas, reportedly has a long criminal history of his own.

Alexander may well be a piece of shit, but can you blame a black family for seeking that kind of help when a) faced with the unthinkable that their child is facing trial for murder and b) subjected to confirmed absolute pieces of shit like Jake Lang?

Also, check the first post on this thread on April 3.

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#1268
11 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

How tf does this happen. Not saying Melo isn’t guilty but wow

Collin County is 12 percent AA so in a completely random pull of 12 at least one AA juror would be expected more often than not— but statistically plenty of rounds would have none (some would also have more). To the point below, Asian or Middle Eastern reps would be far more likely to get pulled out of a hat.

Would be curious to know if the prosecution struck any non-black educators for the same reason or if that question even came up.

1 hour ago, gsoda3 said:

Two potential black jurors were struck by prosecutors due to them being educators.

I'm guessing there are several Indians and East Asians on the jury, perhaps even close to a majority.

#1269
1 hour ago, gsoda3 said:

Two potential black jurors were struck by prosecutors due to them being educators.

a man in a suit and blue shirt is sitting in front of a blue sky

#1270
On 6/3/2026 at 11:01 AM, Don Johnson said:

Let's remember that Austin Metcalf's father told this guy to get fucked.

This thing went into racial overdrive when Anthony's family hired Next Generation Action Network and Dominque Alexander as family spokesman.

This guy is quickly moving up in C-Man's list of "Biggest Shitbags in America"

#1271

Awesome tweet. Most of the jurors are white, but of them half are not. This happens sixty percent of the time, all of the time.

There’s a lot of questions regarding Karmelo Anthony’s jury.

The twelve jurors are mostly white, with the exception of three Asian people, one Muslim woman in a Hijab, and one Hispanic male.
🚨BIG UPDATE🚨

After fatally stabbing Austin Metcalf, Karmelo Anthony tossed the knife and tried to blend in with a group of people, and then fled the scene, according to prosecutors.

Austin Metcalf’s final words were “I’ve been stabbed” and he fell down the bleacher steps.
#1272
45 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Collin County is 12 percent AA so in a completely random pull of 12 at least one AA juror would be expected more often than not— but statistically plenty of rounds would have none (some would also have more). To the point below, Asian or Middle Eastern reps would be far more likely to get pulled out of a hat.

Would be curious to know if the prosecution struck any non-black educators for the same reason or if that question even came up.

21 minutes ago, Foosters said:

a man in a suit and blue shirt is sitting in front of a blue sky

All elementary and middle school educators were either dismissed or struck.

#1273
44 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Would be curious to know if the prosecution struck any non-black educators for the same reason or if that question even came up.

I only know how it works in the movies, do lawyers have to justify there strikes in real life? I mean you start with however many and you end up with 12, so some aren't making it just because they only need 12.

#1274
4 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

All elementary and middle school educators were either dismissed or struck.

Do you have a link? I'm not seeing this anywhere.

#1275
7 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

I only know how it works in the movies, do lawyers have to justify there strikes in real life?

IANAL, but it at least used to be that you get three that you don't have to justify. I know that because every time I've been called for jury, someone has used those strikes on me.

#1276
11 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

I only know how it works in the movies, do lawyers have to justify there strikes in real life? I mean you start with however many and you end up with 12, so some aren't making it just because they only need 12.

11 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

I only know how it works in the movies, do lawyers have to justify there strikes in real life? I mean you start with however many and you end up with 12, so some aren't making it just because they only need 12.

In Texas each side can strike up to ten with no reason in felony cases. If there’s suspicion and clear indicators it’s being done on grounds of race/gender, the other side can challenge.

No limit to strikes for cause and a judge must approve.

#1277

The dirty not-so-secret in criminal law is that both defense and prosecution select jurors based on race and other impermissible factors.

Defense likes to strike older white and Asian prospective jurors. Prosecution always goes after younger people of color. Then both sides try to come up with neutral justifications for doing so.

#1278
1 hour ago, Foosters said:

Do you have a link? I'm not seeing this anywhere.

One of the media vloggers stated that, I can't remember which one.

#1279
1 hour ago, Foosters said:

Do you have a link? I'm not seeing this anywhere.

Saw it here:

Defense attorneys accused prosecutors of striking the final three black jurors because of their race.

When asked by the judge why those three jurors were removed, prosecutors insisted it was because of their occupation; all three were educators.

Prosecutors are required by law to provide 'race-neutral' reasons for striking a potential juror, and it is up to the judge to decide if it is legal to remove them.

Ultimately, District Judge John Roach Jr sided with the prosecution and allowed them to be removed.

There were black potential jurors in the pool, however some were released after stating they could not set race aside as a deciding factor,

Earlier in the day, one potential juror identified as black by the prosecution said he would 'have a hard time putting a brother in jail.'

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The murder trial for Karmelo Anthony , the Texas teenager who fatally stabbed a fellow student at a track meet last year, began today.

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#1280
3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Would be curious to know if the prosecution struck any non-black educators for the same reason or if that question even came up.

Good question, would be discussed in any Batson challenge.

2 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

All elementary and middle school educators were either dismissed or struck.

If true, and the story cited above seems to discuss the Batson challenge, then it's probably enough to survive a Batson challenge.

The Batson challenge process (complaining that a juror was struck because of race) is pretty discretionary for the court, and in the best of cases is a real hurdle, because shit, you can almost always come up with a race-neutral reason that survives basic scrutiny.

#1281

So can a panel of possibly qualified, potentially unemployed/ disbarred / law school dropouts from the internet file some sort of protest on behalf of the clearly incompetent defense attorneys and/or prosecutors currently assigned to this obviously imminent travesty of justice that is unfurling before our very eyes?

Edited by Dennis Taylor

#1282
14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Good question, would be discussed in any Batson challenge.

If true, and the story cited above seems to discuss the Batson challenge, then it's probably enough to survive a Batson challenge.

The Batson challenge process (complaining that a juror was struck because of race) is pretty discretionary for the court, and in the best of cases is a real hurdle, because shit, you can almost always come up with a race-neutral reason that survives basic scrutiny.

CA passed legislation a few years ago to significantly strengthen Batson for this very reason.

#1283
4 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

IANAL, but it at least used to be that you get three that you don't have to justify. I know that because every time I've been called for jury, someone has used those strikes on me.

I wouldn't know how it works. I strike myself every time I get a jury summons.

#1285
15 minutes ago, C-Man said:

I wouldn't know how it works. I strike myself every time I get a jury summons.

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#1286
18 minutes ago, C-Man said:

I wouldn't know how it works. I strike myself every time I get a jury summons.

You're not worried about going blind?

#1287
20 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Being an educator is a strike for cause catagory?

No. They used their discretionary strikes for that. It's just that when you're challenged on whether you struck for race, you have an alternate reason.

Your discretionary strikes can be for any reason. As a lawyer, I may think that anyone who likes pineapple on their pizza has bad judgment, so I'll strike any such person from the jury using my discretionary strikes. And I don't have to give a reason UNLESS the other side says "I think you struck them because of their race." Then, I need to state a non-race reason.

Strikes for cause are for actual bias, incompetence to serve, etc. And the court decides whether to grant that strike, it's far from automatic (in fact, efforts to strike for cause mostly fail in my experience).

#1288
1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

The Batson challenge process (complaining that a juror was struck because of race) is pretty discretionary for the court, and in the best of cases is a real hurdle, because shit, you can almost always come up with a race-neutral reason that survives basic scrutiny.

Batson's core weakness is the ease with which an attorney can offer a facially "race-neutral" reason at step two that will then survive the analysis of step three. Step three is where the court is supposed to decide whether the reason that juror was struck is genuine or just a pretext for race. SCOTUS has left the Batson framework, and all its enforcement gaps, in place, but Thomas and Gorsuch have signaled interest in reconsidering Batson, but from the right: narrowing federal enforcement against biased juries rather than strengthening it. The reform line of SCOTUS traces back to Thurgood Marshall's concurrence in Batson itself, which argued the only real fix is eliminating the peremptory strike altogether and removing the lawyer's power to strike a juror for no stated reason, and leave them without any opportunity to discriminate.

But, don't look for a resolution anytime soon. Batson and peremptory strikes are not the focus of the court at the moment. Batson twists in the wind while the fight has shifted to just how much room federal courts have to enforce Batson against state convictions (the majority in Pitchford v. Cain were aligned that deference "does not mean abdication" to state courts). That case didn't tighten the Batson test or alter anyone's burden; it just shifted the battleground to a habeas corpus question, instead of the Batson merits.

#1289
5 hours ago, Gene Parmesan said:

I only know how it works in the movies, do lawyers have to justify there strikes in real life? I mean you start with however many and you end up with 12, so some aren't making it just because they only need 12.

If they are against minorities they do. And it needs to appear non-pretextual.

#1290

7 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

I'm guessing there are several Indians and East Asians on the jury, perhaps even close to a majority.

they just love black people lol

#1291
5 hours ago, C-Man said:

This guy is quickly moving up in C-Man's list of "Biggest Shitbags in America"

Luckily he also has a very punchable face.

5 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

IANAL, but it at least used to be that you get three that you don't have to justify. I know that because every time I've been called for jury, someone has used those strikes on me.

Maybe you should stop wearing your "DEATH to the WHITE DEVIL" t-shirt to court.

#1293
4 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

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Is the reverse true? Can a juror be stricken for open racial bias?

That potential juror was dismissed.

#1294

According to several media outlets, video footage was released in the Karmelo Anthony trial & allegedly, here’s what really happened at the track meet. Karmelo Anthony was attacked by 4 different people seen in video footage. Karmelo managed to escape but he was pulled back into the tent & that’s when he stabbed one twin.

#1295
16 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

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Is the reverse true? Can a juror be stricken for open racial bias?

That would be a challenge for cause, not a strike. But yes any kind of bias, racial, gender, short, tall, bald, blond, brunette, "I hate/love cops, they always/never lie," whatever, can be the basis for a challenge for cause.

However, once such a challenge is made, the other side or the judge can "rehabilitate" the juror with something like "I understand your difficulty with a brother, but can you put that bias aside, listen to the evicence and follow the instructions I give you"? And if the answer is yes, there's a decent chance the juror stays or becomes the subject of a strike.

Edited by TwiceHorn

#1297
23 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Awesome tweet. Most of the jurors are white, but of them half are not. This happens sixty percent of the time, all of the time.

There’s a lot of questions regarding Karmelo Anthony’s jury.

The twelve jurors are mostly white, with the exception of three Asian people, one Muslim woman in a Hijab, and one Hispanic male.
🚨BIG UPDATE🚨

After fatally stabbing Austin Metcalf, Karmelo Anthony tossed the knife and tried to blend in with a group of people, and then fled the scene, according to prosecutors.

Austin Metcalf’s final words were “I’ve been stabbed” and he fell down the bleacher steps.

I've been thinking about what my last words would be in a variety of situations should they arise because these last words are lame af.

#1298
49 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That would be a challenge for cause, not a strike. But yes any kind of bias, racial, gender, short, tall, bald, blond, brunette, "I hate/love cops, they always/never lie," whatever, can be the basis for a challenge for cause.

However, once such a challenge is made, the other side or the judge can "rehabilitate" the juror with something like "I understand your difficulty with a brother, but can you put that bias aside, listen to the evicence and follow the instructions I give you"? And if the answer is yes, there's a decent chance the juror stays or becomes the subject of a strike.

I have heard, and it could be myth so I'll ask you, if you are obvious and overt about your desire to NOT be selected and you are too biased in your responses, you can actually be held to account for that. Not sure if that means you are in contempt or whatever but I've heard the judge will not look kindly to a guy showing up saying "I am racist, don't pick me" as a ploy to not have to do your civic duty and serve because they have some travel coming up.

#1299
9 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I have heard, and it could be myth so I'll ask you, if you are obvious and overt about your desire to NOT be selected and you are too biased in your responses, you can actually be held to account for that. Not sure if that means you are in contempt or whatever but I've heard the judge will not look kindly to a guy showing up saying "I am racist, don't pick me" as a ploy to not have to do your civic duty and serve because they have some travel coming up.

Depends on how sophisticated you are about it. Probably most surlsters could gin up a case of bias that would get them challenged for cause.

The average yokels don't always do a very good job of faking sincerity or being credible. And a lot of them wilt under questioning by the judge.

I have seen a judge say something to the effect of "I don't believe your alleged bias, but if you are that unwilling to be a juror, we'll "excuse" you."

For a DWI, a great excuse, that really should be true for most people is "I don't believe the Breatha/Intoxilyzer is an accurate instrument and I think police are highly likely to shade their testimony to support intoxication, such that field sobriety tests are a foregone conclusion." If you're a lawyer, you can preface that type of answer with, "you may not want me to say this in front of the whole panel" and get brought up to the bench. That emphasizes that you're a lawyer (strike one) with a hefty skepticism of Breathlyzers (strike two) and cop veracity (strike three).

Edited by TwiceHorn

#1300
17 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I have heard, and it could be myth so I'll ask you, if you are obvious and overt about your desire to NOT be selected and you are too biased in your responses, you can actually be held to account for that. Not sure if that means you are in contempt or whatever but I've heard the judge will not look kindly to a guy showing up saying "I am racist, don't pick me" as a ploy to not have to do your civic duty and serve because they have some travel coming up.

I was at one jury summons and the judge was explaining the procedure to choose the jury, and at the end he asked, "Is there anyone here who feels that they are too emotionally unstable (or something like that) to serve on a jury?"

One dude actually raised his hand, the judge called him up to the front and talked to him for a second and then the guy walked out.

When he was gone, the judge said, "Hmmm, I've never had anyone take me up on that," and dozens of us kicked ourselves for not also raising our hands.

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