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7 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

id almost bet that he's already dead and WH knows it 


 

 

10 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

 


Habeas corpus, indeed.

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For those not following closely, after the Supreme Court ruling yesterday, two different lawsuits were filed in NY and TX on the deportations of Venezuelans under the Alien Enemies Act.  TX judge has blocked deportations from El Valle, NY hearing is underway.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

“Lock them up and throw away the key”

we are a pariah state. 
 

 

In case any of y'all still wondered whether the plan includes flat-out "disappearing" dissidents (including US citizens).  Sentencing people to life in prison.....without formal adjudication etc....tells you EXACTLY what these people are all about.

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38 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Non-paywalled NPR story:

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/10/nx-s1-5358421/supreme-court-abrego-garcia-deportation-decision

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The Supreme Court has ordered the Trump administration to "facilitate" the return to the United States of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, a Maryland man who was mistakenly taken to El Salvador and remains in custody there.

In a brief, unsigned decision issued Thursday, the court sided with a District Court judge who had ordered Abrego Garcia brought back to the U.S.

"The order properly requires the Government to 'facilitate' Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador," the Supreme Court said in its ruling.

Bets on how this turns out?

1.  "Oops, he somehow got dead."

2. Trump tells the USSC to fuck off.

3. Trump's attorneys say the Admin has done everything in their power, but the bad man in El Salvador told us to fuck off.

4. Trump actually complies and gets dude back.

Most likely is #1.  Trump doesn't want to look weak (#3, 4), but also doesn't want to create the clear constitutional crisis just yet (#2), so he requests Bukele "find him dead."

 

BTW - gotdamn the USSC is full of a buncha bitches; another unsigned opinion.  Well, at least they got to the right decision.

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24 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Yep. "Our hands are tied, there is nothing we can do. We've  tried nothing and we're all out of options."  I am so glad that I don't work for a governmental entity. I realize that most government lawyers don't work for assholes like this admin but I can't imagine going to court and making obviously regarded arguments, that make me appear to seemingly be a complete imbecile because we elected a fucking moron. It has to be so humiliating.  In a normal timeline, the DOJ would be hemorrhaging lawyers. 

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7 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

Non-paywalled NPR story:

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/10/nx-s1-5358421/supreme-court-abrego-garcia-deportation-decision

Bets on how this turns out?

1.  "Oops, he somehow got dead."

2. Trump tells the USSC to fuck off.

3. Trump's attorneys say the Admin has done everything in their power, but the bad man in El Salvador told us to fuck off.

4. Trump actually complies and gets dude back.

Most likely is #1.  Trump doesn't want to look weak (#3, 4), but also doesn't want to create the clear constitutional crisis just yet (#2), so he requests Bukele "find him dead."

 

BTW - gotdamn the USSC is full of a buncha bitches; another unsigned opinion.  Well, at least they got to the right decision.

Yep.  The SCOTUS just killed that man.  Because that's the direction a cornered regime will take.

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The judge in the Abrego Garcia case quickly updated her orders last night.  DOJ has a deadline in about 20 minutes to explain what steps they've taken so far and what other steps they plan to take.

 

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2 hours ago, fuggled said:

The judge in the Abrego Garcia case quickly updated her orders last night.  DOJ has a deadline in about 20 minutes to explain what steps they've taken so far and what other steps they plan to take.

 

Press Conference Kermit GIF

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12 minutes ago, fuggled said:

Aaaand....looks like DOJ has missed the extended deadline

Of note, I believe that Rueveni guy has been sidelined for failure to lie to the court.  The remaining attorney of record is a career civil servant (AUSA D. Md.) who received a civil advocacy award in 2015 and is a black woman.

So, it doesn't look like there are any true believer hacks representing the government, here.  I'm keeping my eye on that (civil servant DOJ lawyers vs. Trump hacks like Ed Martin).

Oops, correction.  The Maryland AUSA did not sign the motion for extension of time.  A Jones Day hack named Yaakov Roth (https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/trump-dojs-civil-division-recruits-more-jones-day-lawyers) and an asshole named Drew Ensign that clashed with Boasberg repeatedly in the other gulag case.  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c99n84xdl4zo

So, some lawyers finna be held in contempt.

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Shocker, non-answer. 

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69777799/59/abrego-garcia-v-noem/

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Defendants are unable to provide the information requested by the Court on the impracticable deadline set by the Court hours after the Supreme Court issued its order. The Supreme Court’s order directs the Court to “clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs.”  Abrego Garcia v. Noem, 25A949, 604 U. S. ____ (2025), Op. at 2.  The Court has not yet clarified what it means to “facilitate” or “effectuate” the return as it relates to this case, as Plaintiff is in the custody of a foreign sovereign. Defendants request— and require—the opportunity to brief that issue prior to being subject to any compliance deadlines.  Needless to say, Defendants were under no obligation to take action under the court’s order while it was administratively stayed by the Chief Justice of the United States.  In light of the insufficient amount of time afforded to review the Supreme Court’s Order following the dissolution of the administrative stay in this case, Defendants are not in a position where they “can” share any information requested by the Court. That is the reality. Defendants received the order late in the evening last night. They are reviewing the order and actively evaluating next steps. It is unreasonable and impracticable for Defendants to reveal potential steps before those steps are reviewed, agreed upon, and vetted. Foreign affairs cannot operate on judicial timelines, in part because it involves sensitive country-specific considerations wholly inappropriate for judicial review. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Needless to say, Defendants were under no obligation to take action under the court’s order while it was administratively stayed by the Chief Justice of the United States.

Conveniently ignoring the fact that they were governed by the district court's order for three days (April 4-7) and it was only stayed for three days.

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From The Bulwark:

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1. Abrego Garcia

I am not convinced that the Supreme Court’s 9–0 ruling that the government must “facilitate” the repatriation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia is as encouraging as some people hope.

Why?

Because the Court is working under the assumption of regularity.

The Court uses a bunch of careful language to craft a ruling that a normal administration would abide by. The underlying assumption is: This administration is not lawless. They will respect the ruling and work in good faith to execute the Court’s order.

This stance assumes facts not in evidence.

What happens if the Trump administration doesn’t comply in good faith? What happens if the administration says, “Yes, we tried to get Abrego Garcia back, but Bukele won’t play ball.” Or, “We cannot facilitate this exchange because of national security concerns.”

How will the Court respond? It can’t make El Salvador send Abrego Garcia back. And it will have to take the administration at its word because, as Asha Rangappa notes, Trump’s interactions with foreign leaders are covered by executive privilege. If Trump says, “I tried but it’s not happening,” then what is the Court going to do about it?

The Supreme Court—once again—does not understand the reality in which it exists. And because it is delusional about its situation, it can be bullied, deceived, and manipulated to serve Trump’s ends.

 

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51 minutes ago, immamac said:

Not shocking, the hearing is gonna be wild. Someone's gonna go to jail. 

this is just going around in circles; judge backing off to stalemate of "ordering daily updates"

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‪Anna Bower‬ ‪@annabower.bsky.social‬
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Garcia's counsel says daily status updates would be appropriate and they would respond as needed very quickly to each update.

Ensign says government intends to comply with SCOTUS order, but court deadlines not practicable

Judge: Then you can tell the public that every day in status updates

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‪Anna Bower‬ ‪@annabower.bsky.social‬
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Judge: I hope you will in good faith comply and we'll take it from there. But I know I want daily updates until this is resolved. Do you have any alternative suggestions for me, Mr. Ensign?

Ensign wants a declaration due by Monday close of business, not daily.

Judge: My order is daily updates

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‪Anna Bower‬ ‪@annabower.bsky.social‬
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Judge: I don't understand why these questions can't be answered today. But maybe you can answer them for me by 5 pm tomorrow.

And we'll go ahead and set a follow up hearing for the day after government files the declaration I previously requested
‪Anna Bower‬ ‪@annabower.bsky.social‬
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Ensign repeats that deadlines are impracticable but that they intend to comply w/ SCOTUS order.

And that's it. Hearing over. Judge will enter written order in due course.

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Appears that the judge will require daily updates until Abrego Garcia is returned.

On the one hand, that gives the government more time, on the other, it puts them under the gun to explain their actions, or inactions.

It seems clear that the government hasn't done shit but they don't want to tell the judge that.

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Just now, TwiceHorn said:

It seems clear that the government hasn't done shit but they don't want to tell the judge that.

The judge called bullshit on them on the record

Weird how trumpco has managed to turn the shield of a slow moving court system into a sword to be weilded against their targetted "other". It's a good thing we let them get this far all in the name of protecting the norms that are now dead anyways.

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Trump Co. lawyers are trying to figure out what to do, making recommendations and giving advice to the president. If they don't give the updates or the updates don't contain substantive information then I would think contempt is on the table.  I guess that would mean that Noem would be subject to contempt since she is the named party and ultimately would be jailed if the government doesn't comply with the court order.  That would be something. Ultimately, Trump is going to have to decide whether or not to comply. If he doesn't, I cannot predict what will happen. If Abrego Garcia is already dead, I also cannot predict what will happen next. In either case, chaos, mayhem, massive protests, violence.  Or nothing at all.

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16 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Trump Co. lawyers are trying to figure out what to do, making recommendations and giving advice to the president. If they don't give the updates or the updates don't contain substantive information then I would think contempt is on the table.  I guess that would mean that Noem would be subject to contempt since she is the named party and ultimately would be jailed if the government doesn't comply with the court order.  That would be something. Ultimately, Trump is going to have to decide whether or not to comply. If he doesn't, I cannot predict what will happen. If Abrego Garcia is already dead, I also cannot predict what will happen next. In either case, chaos, mayhem, massive protests, violence.  Or nothing at all.

You seem to have a real pulse on the situation. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Trump Co. lawyers are trying to figure out what to do, making recommendations and giving advice to the president. If they don't give the updates or the updates don't contain substantive information then I would think contempt is on the table.  I guess that would mean that Noem would be subject to contempt since she is the named party and ultimately would be jailed if the government doesn't comply with the court order.  That would be something. Ultimately, Trump is going to have to decide whether or not to comply. If he doesn't, I cannot predict what will happen. If Abrego Garcia is already dead, I also cannot predict what will happen next. In either case, chaos, mayhem, massive protests, violence.  Or nothing at all.

I predict it's going to go a little something like this ...

(And I know the courts have the US Marshal Service, but if you think they're going to arrest Noem or anyone else in the regime and throw them in prison, please pass me some of whatever you're smoking.)

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32 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Trump Co. lawyers are trying to figure out what to do, making recommendations and giving advice to the president. If they don't give the updates or the updates don't contain substantive information then I would think contempt is on the table.  I guess that would mean that Noem would be subject to contempt since she is the named party and ultimately would be jailed if the government doesn't comply with the court order.  That would be something. Ultimately, Trump is going to have to decide whether or not to comply. If he doesn't, I cannot predict what will happen. If Abrego Garcia is already dead, I also cannot predict what will happen next. In either case, chaos, mayhem, massive protests, violence.  Or nothing at all.

And when they comply by saying we've reached out, El Salvador doesn't know where he is/isn't going to return him, nothing we can do? 

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42 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Oh come on. Surely their first duty is to their client. 😉

Well, their client in this case is the United States of America, not Donald J. Trump and his minions.

And I don't think they're trying to advise Trump or anyone else, they're trying to get away with as much as they can..

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40 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

You seem to have a real pulse on the situation. 

 

It was more of a rhetorical statement inviting others to say what they think will happen and why.  Guess I should have been more clear.

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25 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

And when they comply by saying we've reached out, El Salvador doesn't know where he is/isn't going to return him, nothing we can do? 

No. I'm not an expert on procedure in these situations; I don't know how anyone could be since this is unprecedented.  What I think would happen is that the judge would continue pressing for information and for the people with that information to appear.  Who ordered the plane to take off?  Bring them here.  Who was the last person to see him alive? Bring them here.  Who is our liaison with the Salvadoran prison?  Bring them here.  Etc., etc.  If those people refuse to answer the judge's questions then she can hold them in contempt and put them in jail.

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1 hour ago, Ojo Rojo said:

No. I'm not an expert on procedure in these situations; I don't know how anyone could be since this is unprecedented.  What I think would happen is that the judge would continue pressing for information and for the people with that information to appear.  Who ordered the plane to take off?  Bring them here.  Who was the last person to see him alive? Bring them here.  Who is our liaison with the Salvadoran prison?  Bring them here.  Etc., etc.  If those people refuse to answer the judge's questions then she can hold them in contempt and put them in jail.

And none of that is close to an actual remedy for the guy in prison in El Salvador. You're trust that such a remedy will appear is misplaced. That's been my point. It continues to be my point. And it continues to be true. SCOTUS already neutered 1 possible remedy. And it impliedly neutered the second with its most recent decision. 

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