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3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

He will tell him to keep holding him. 

And there’s the rub. I don’t see any reason to believe that his continued incarceration will be to due to anything other than Trump’s instruction. I don’t think the fact that he’s Salvadoran and not Venezuelan is really a factor at all. 

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1 hour ago, Firemans4Horn said:

 

It's not any more complicated than that.

58 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Yup. There's still technically a case ongoing, but Abrego Garcia will die in that prison before his case concludes. Roberts doesn't want him coming back any more than Trump does (nobody on the right wants him to be able to tell the American public about the conditions he's faced there), and he doesn't want to issue an order that Trump more directly rejects. 

The only limit on how many of us can now be black bagged and rendered to foreign gulags with no functional ability to assert our rights is logistics. 

That's not quite correct.  We are rapidly approaching the point where the only limit on the number of Americans they can black bag and ship to a foreign gulag is the operation of the Second Amendment.

All the shit that the right-wingers used to masturbate about, jacking off to the idea of using their guns to resist an authoritarian state?  Well, it's here.  Fascinating that the liberty and "constitution-loving" right wingers are dead quiet now.  Huh.  Guess it was never about actual liberty or the constitution at all.

If you don't possess a firearm now, you should probably remedy that situation quickly.

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So…that means the next Dem president can ship turnip and 90% of of administration to El Salvador or Guatemala or some desert jail in Niger, right?

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Just now, Pancho said:

So…that means the next Dem president can ship turnip and 90% of of administration to El Salvador or Guatemala or some desert jail in Niger, right?

No.  Because see how Roberts has only partially neutered the SCOTUS: if a Republican president does something, SCOTUS will allow it to continue unless and until it decides the action is illegal (which they won't do)...if a Dem president does something, SCOTUS will promptly enjoin the action until it can decide whether it's legal.

In any case, Roberts is the worst chief justice in history, because he has presided over the institution of the Supreme Court becoming completely irrelevant.  He made the Court obsolete.

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America was always looked upon as the highest rule of law country there was. Not perfect but the law would normally win out because our govt & businesses followed the rulings from the judicial branch. If the President ignores the Supreme Court, whats to stop Trump from telling China that America will not honor any financial liabilities that are not held from Americans or friends of Trump? And I guarantee that TexAgs would celebrate if we "outsmarted" China by defaulting 100% on the US debt they own.

If I were other countries, I would be dumping US debt as much as I could as quietly as I could.

5 minutes ago, Pancho said:

So…that means the next Dem president can ship turnip and 90% of of administration to El Salvador or Guatemala or some desert jail in Niger, right?

hahaha. next President. lol.

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Just now, Nice Guy Eddie said:

America was always looked upon as the highest rule of law country there was. Not perfect but the law would normally win out because our govt businesses followed the rulings from the judicial branch. If the President ignores the Supreme Court, whats to stop Trump from telling China that America will not honor any financial liabilities that are not held from Americans or friends of Trump? And I guarantee that TexAgs would celebrate if we "outsmarted" China by defaulting 100% on the US debt they own.

If I were other countries, I would be dumping US debt as much as I could as quietly as I could.

Also a bingo.  Reliability and certainty - which are hallmarks of Rule of Law countries - are a huge part of why those countries prosper, compared to countries without such reliability and certainty.  If you want to see a country and its economy crumble to dust functionally overnight (in a matter of months), we're doing exactly what you'd want to do to bring about that outcome.

When the Rule of Law goes away, everything else collapses.  Well, except for the wealth of the super-elite at the very top.  We then look like every other klepto state, with a few rich super-oligarchs, and the rest of us hoping to steal a toilet someday.

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Important to remember that this isn't about Trump bringing one person back to the US. This is him telling SCOTUS to f-off. Hell, the Admin has even admitted there was a "clerical" error. It would be nothing to just bring that guy.

Other than of course, every news agency interviewing him about his experience.

I hope the El Salvador President eventually learns about the US penal system from the inside.

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This will be a news story for probably another 24 hours or so, until we move on to Trump selling off the Statue of Liberty piece by piece, or whatever insane thing he does next. 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

The left is attacking Trump wrong on this.  The play isn't the constitutional crisis, the black bagging of randoms, or the foreign gulag.  People don't care about that - especially for this guy.  The play is to attack Trump as weak.  Bernie or whoever needs to put out a tweet that says "Trump can't even get tiny El Salvador to release one guy!  Incredibly WEAK!  Sad!  To have such a weak POTUS who can't tell other countries what to do, especially shithole countries!"  Trump would be falling over himself to prove how strong he is by this afternoon.

None of that will work.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

This will be a news story for probably another 24 hours or so, until we move on to Trump selling off the Statue of Liberty piece by piece, or whatever insane thing he does next. 

It’s hard to get around the non stop Signalgate coverage right now too. 

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11 minutes ago, randomhorn said:

This entire thing plus the ICE/CBP actions have made me incredibly angry at and disappointed in my country. Fucking hell this pisses me off.

Yup, and it proves that we are a nation of evil people at worst or cowards at best. 

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7 minutes ago, Dr. Teeth said:

It’s hard to get around the non stop Signalgate coverage right now too. 

Or DOGE destroying critical systems that keep us running as a normal first world country. Or the sabotage of social security by the executive branch. Hell the whole tariffs deal feels like yesterday's news. 

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Posted (edited)
32 minutes ago, randomhorn said:

This entire thing plus the ICE/CBP actions have made me incredibly angry at and disappointed in my country. Fucking hell this pisses me off.

me too! it barely registered with the American people, but of all of Trump's fuckery, this is the one makes my blood boil the most. It soils the very thing that makes has made this country great for 248 years.

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3 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:

 

Congrats John Robert’s. Enjoy your golden shower victory celebration. Two heads of state pissing all over you. 

 

el salvador doesn't have the ability to shop him back but what authority do they have to keep him locked up ?

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2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

el salvador doesn't have the ability to shop him back but what authority do they have to keep him locked up ?

They are a separate sovereign state.  They can do whatever the fuck we want.  Which is the one - and dispositive - reason that individuals subject to the jurisdiction and actions of US law enforcement should never be sent to a prison that is not on US soil.  That's a stop-down, basic rule of law thing.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

No.  Because see how Roberts has only partially neutered the SCOTUS: if a Republican president does something, SCOTUS will allow it to continue unless and until it decides the action is illegal (which they won't do)...if a Dem president does something, SCOTUS will promptly enjoin the action until it can decide whether it's legal.

In any case, Roberts is the worst chief justice in history, because he has presided over the institution of the Supreme Court becoming completely irrelevant.  He made the Court obsolete.

The court's power has always relied on kind of a handshake agreement since it relies on the executive branch to enforce its rulings. If the executive branch simply won't do that, then the court has no power. And he's certainly facilitated this behavior.

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3 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

The court's power has always relied on kind of a handshake agreement since it relies on the executive branch to enforce its rulings. If the executive branch simply won't do that, then the court has no power. And he's certainly facilitated this behavior.

This is the first time this happened wrt executive branch.

Despite rumors to the contrary Abraham Lincoln never defied the Court.

Andrew Jackson may or may not have said something about the Court could enforce its ruling if it wanted, but its ruling was against the State of Georgia. Not against the Federal Government.

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8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

They are a separate sovereign state.  They can do whatever the fuck we want.  Which is the one - and dispositive - reason that individuals subject to the jurisdiction and actions of US law enforcement should never be sent to a prison that is not on US soil.  That's a stop-down, basic rule of law thing.

 

what el salvadoran law did he break ?

we are days away from us citizens being shipped out of country 

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Just now, tx 3 putt said:

what el salvadoran law did he break ?

we are days away from us citizens being shipped out of country 

To your question -- doesn't matter.  El Salvador has and can have different laws.  They can have a law of "your tattoos are ugly, life in prison for you."  We may not agree with those laws, but sovereign gonna sovereign.  The point being....it doesn't make a shit.  Once someone is in the custody of a different sovereign, what happens to them is generally solely up to that sovereign (unless, if course....that sovereign has a treaty or agreement with another sovereign -- see extradition agreements and such, or see (maybe, if there actually is one) the agreement between ES and the USA regarding these prisoners).

And yes, no shit we're days away from US citizens being black bagged and disappeared.  That's the fucking intent, and always has been.

What would you have done if the Gestapo came to your door to shove you into a vehicle and ship you off to a death camp from which you had no prospects of returning?  Well....that's what you should consider doing now, because we're there.

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The good news is we now have a mechanism to override all of Trumps blanket pardons he will issue on the way out.

The bad news is there is that his "on the way out' will be in 20+yrs minimum 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

In any case, Roberts is the worst chief justice in history, because he has presided over the institution of the Supreme Court becoming completely irrelevant.  He made the Court obsolete.

Thanks, Dubya. 

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15 minutes ago, Horn Dog said:

The good news is we now have a mechanism to override all of Trumps blanket pardons he will issue on the way out.

The bad news is there is that his "on the way out' will be in 20+yrs minimum 

no way that fucker lives to 100

Posted
Just now, Dahobbs said:

Government has another 40 minutes to file its update for today. 

"To this Honorable Court:

Fuck you.  That's your update.

Submitted,

A guy who's gonna fuck your mom, too"

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Posted
22 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

no way that fucker lives to 100

Unless he drops dead on a golf course in front of 100 cameras, they’ll probably hide his death and just spit out Truths from his account and EOs with his sig stamped, and completely empty a golf course every Saturday and Sunday and claim he shot (age-15) there that day.   The “why haven’t we seen the potus” articles will be met with renditions for their authors until they cease. 

Posted (edited)
10 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

The Atlantic (no paywall)

 

The Constitutional Crisis is Here

The Constitutional Crisis is here.

The civil war will be when the Regime starts disappearing citizens.  And that is as it was always going to be.  For the millionth time, it's why opting out of the Rule of Law is very, very bad, and shouldn't be done.

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Posted
2 hours ago, randomhorn said:

This entire thing plus the ICE/CBP actions have made me incredibly angry at and disappointed in my country. Fucking hell this pisses me off.

I think we might be fucked as a country

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Oh no, did they miss the deadline?  I'm sure they're terrified of the consequences!

They have not filed anything, so the government is now in clear violation of that order. 

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8 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

They have not filed anything, so the government is now in clear violation of that order. 

Well, there were a lot of…..difficult to reconcile statements by administration officials today and so I imagine this one is a bit tough to write. 

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