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28 minutes ago, fuggled said:

It is, as we have noted, all too possible to see in this case an incipient crisis, but it may present an opportunity as well. We yet cling to the hope that it is not naïve to believe our good brethren in the Executive Branch perceive the rule of law as vital to the American ethos. This case presents their unique chance to vindicate that value and to summon the best that is within us while there is still time.

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10 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

So how long until someone in the administration broaches the idea of deporting judges to El Salvador? 1 week?

It's already been done -- any statement of support for a deportee is deemed terrorism, and folks who make such statements are subject to prosecution for conspiring with terrorists.

Sebastian Gorka out front shoulda told ya.

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Dumb question amnesty...

Would it be legal to bring this guy back on the condition that he signs an NDA?  Blame the "activist judges" for forcing us to bring back a dangerous gang member criminal, put him in protective custody with his family and have some ICE goons threaten to disappear him again if he talks.  It's a way for trump to take an L without losing his narrative and maybe he gets lucky and this guy's story never gets out.

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3 minutes ago, Todd Gack said:

Dumb question amnesty...

Would it be legal to bring this guy back on the condition that he signs an NDA?  Blame the "activist judges" for forcing us to bring back a dangerous gang member criminal, put him in protective custody with his family and have some ICE goons threaten to disappear him again if he talks.  It's a way for trump to take an L without losing his narrative and maybe he gets lucky and this guy's story never gets out.

That type of NDA would be likely unenforceable. “Sign this or we will leave you to rot in an El Salvadoran jail without access to the courts” would very much be under duress. There is also the fact that “embarrassment” isn’t a valid reason for the federal government to ask for an NDA. 

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7 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

That type of NDA would be likely unenforceable. “Sign this or we will leave you to rot in an El Salvadoran jail without access to the courts” would very much be under duress. There is also the fact that “embarrassment” isn’t a valid reason for the federal government to ask for an NDA. 

Yes, and almost all NDA's yield, by their terms or by policy, to giving truthful testimony in court proceedings.

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15 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

That type of NDA would be likely unenforceable. “Sign this or we will leave you to rot in an El Salvadoran jail without access to the courts” would very much be under duress. There is also the fact that “embarrassment” isn’t a valid reason for the federal government to ask for an NDA. 

 

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yes, and almost all NDA's yield, by their terms or by policy, to giving truthful testimony in court proceedings.

All of this makes perfect sense and I'd not entertain the idea in a sane world.  But I don't put it past the administration to draft a brand new type of agreement that precludes the signee from disclosing anything to any judge/court "due to national security concerns" or some such bullshit.  And even if it's not enforceable and is deemed legally void, the message sent is clear: shut the fuck up and go live your life in the shadows or we will dead you.

After today's unanimous ruling, it seems like trump really has no off ramp on this issue, aside from telling all the courts to go fuck themselves and throwing everything even further into chaos.  I guess then we'll see how deep this black hole really goes.

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3 minutes ago, Todd Gack said:

After today's unanimous ruling, it seems like trump really has no off ramp on this issue, aside from telling all the courts to go fuck themselves and throwing everything even further into chaos.  I guess then we'll see how deep this black hole really goes.

What have you seen that makes you think that this isn’t the plan?

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4 minutes ago, royiv said:

What have you seen that makes you think that this isn’t the plan?

Really just that they have not explicitly done that to date.  Miller/Rubio/Bondi all go through the trouble of lying about the 9-0 court result, lying about the criminality of Abrego-Garcia, lying about the fact that our government is helpless in bringing him back.  They have not said, in simple terms, that the executive is above the courts in all matters related to deportation.  Just that the courts cannot direct the executive on how to conduct foreign policy.  And now that I've typed this, it really seems like it's distinction without difference.  So yeah... we are proper fucked. 

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6 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Yesterday the WH had the mother of a murdered young woman come to the press briefing as part of the press push to justify keeping Garcia there.  Just pure blood libel type garbage.  I knew it was coming but I’ve been shocked at how fast we’ve plunged into dystopia. 

If ANY immigrant can ultimately be held accountable for another individual immigrant's crime, than ANY citizen can ultimately be held accountable for another individual citizen's crime. It's as simple as that. 

I know this is Captain Obvious stuff, and I'm no messaging genius, but it seems like a concise point like that repeated over and over might have a slim chance of traction with FREEEEDOM! Truck Decal Guy, because it's pretty much what the administration is suggesting. 

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Posted
41 minutes ago, Todd Gack said:

And now that I've typed this, it really seems like it's distinction without difference.  So yeah... we are proper fucked. 

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Welcome to what was "TrUmP dErAnGeMeNt SyNdRoMe" a few short years ago

Posted
2 minutes ago, Satchel said:

“Oops” is the standard response for the Trump regime, followed by “so fucking what?”

Bingo.

Dude shouldn't have been born with a funny messican name, and he don't talk good 'murican anyway.  Plus, word is that he once watched 20 minutes of "Boyz n the Hood" when it was on TV at a friends house, which pretty much makes him a gang member.  TO THE GULAG!

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Bingo.

Dude shouldn't have been born with a funny messican name, and he don't talk good 'murican anyway.  Plus, word is that he once watched 20 minutes of "Boyz n the Hood" when it was on TV at a friends house, which pretty much makes him a gang member.  TO THE GULAG!

I have zero doubt that the police officers that pulled him over saw he had 4 Hispanic sounding names (plus non-white skin) and automatically assumed he must be illegal

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They have arrived. ICE is holding a US citizen:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us-born-citizen-detained-ice-immigration-florida-rcna201800

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A U.S.-born American citizen was being detained at the request of immigration authorities Thursday despite an advocate showing his U.S. birth certificate in court and a county judge finding no reason for him to be considered an “illegal alien” who illegally entered Florida.

Juan Carlos Gomez-Lopez, 20, was arrested Thursday evening by Florida Highway Patrol and charged under a state immigration law that has been temporarily blocked since early this month. Details of Gomez-Lopez’s arrest and detention were first reported by the Florida Phoenix news site.

After inspecting his birth certificate, Leon County Judge LaShawn Riggans said during the hearing that “this is indeed an authentic document,” but that she did not have jurisdiction beyond finding no probable cause for the charge.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s role is to enforce immigration laws that generally apply to noncitizens. American citizens are protected under the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution from unreasonable search and seizure, arrest and detention.

Nonetheless, he remains detained locally at ICE’s request, said Thomas Kennedy, a spokesperson at the Florida Immigrant Coalition who attended Thursday’s hearing.

“Everything tracks for him being sent to be an ICE detention center,” he told NBC News in a phone interview.

NBC News has reached out to state and federal authorities for comment.

Gomez-Lopez was in a vehicle with other passengers and was traveling to work from Georgia when they were stopped after entering Florida.

A sweeping immigration law signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis in 2023 makes it a state crime for an undocumented immigrant over age 18 to enter the state illegally.

Gomez-Lopez was born in Georgia but lived much of his life in Mexico. His first language is Tzotzil, a Mayan language, the Florida Phoenix reported.

His mother burst into tears when she saw her son virtually at his hearing, the news site reported.

“I felt immense helplessness because I couldn’t do anything, and I am desperate to get my son out of there,” she told the Florida Phoenix.

Kennedy compared the situation to Franz Kafka’s novel “The Trial” in which man must defend himself against a charge but has no information about it.

“It’s like this bureaucratic, dystopian nightmare of poorly written laws,” Kennedy said. “We are living in a time when this man could get sent to El Salvador because, what, is he going to be treated like a stateless person?”

Kennedy was referring to the hundreds of immigrants who have been sent by the Trump administration to an El Salvador megaprison after they were accused of being gang members under the wartime Alien Enemies Act. Families, attorneys and some U.S. legislators have not been able to have any contact with them.

 

 

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

And you also see how his last name is hyphenated to have TWO "Z's," so he's EXTRA messican, meaning....well, you know...he ain't a REAL murican.

Bottom line, the rule under the Trump Regime is not a mystery: If you 1) don't have a sufficiently "American-sounding" name, then 2) you are presumed to be an illegal alien, 3) even if you produce definitive proof of citizenship, because proof don't make a shit in a land where due process isn't a thing.  So really, all that matters is items 1 and 2.  Hope you like Salvadoran prisons!  And my "you," I mean....my entire fucking family, which isn't exactly named "Smith."

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And you also see how his last name is hyphenated to have TWO "Z's," so he's EXTRA messican, meaning....well, you know...he ain't a REAL murican.

Bottom line, the rule under the Trump Regime is not a mystery: If you 1) don't have a sufficiently "American-sounding" name, then 2) you are presumed to be an illegal alien, 3) even if you produce definitive proof of citizenship, because proof don't make a shit in a land where due process isn't a thing.  So really, all that matters is items 1 and 2.  Hope you like Salvadoran prisons!  And my "you," I mean....my entire fucking family, which isn't exactly named "Smith."

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Posted
2 hours ago, Todd Gack said:

 

After today's unanimous ruling, it seems like trump really has no off ramp on this issue, aside from telling all the courts to go fuck themselves and throwing everything even further into chaos.  I guess then we'll see how deep this black hole really goes.

There was another one? 
can the fascists just pretend they won again or did the courts find a way to put “Trump fucking lost” in dirt simple text all over the ruling? 

Posted
6 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Looks like they let the guy out. I don't think the regime was ready to fight this one yet.

 

Understand that this will happen again.  And again.  And again.  And again.  Because the PRIMARY purpose is to make it clear that non-lily-white Americans....well, y'all aren't really 'muricans at all, you hear me?  The purpose is to drive them into second-class citizen status.  And yes, it's just a matter of time before it goes all the way, and involves shipping an American to a foreign gulag.  Don't want that to happen to you?  Best stay in your own neighborhoods, boy.  Best keep your head down, boy.

Our black posters around here can tell us all about how that goes.  The Trump Regime isn't running a new play.  They're running a time-honored play.  

Boy, it looks like you're someplace you don't belong....you're coming with me.

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Posted
17 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Looks like they let the guy out. I don't think the regime was ready to fight this one yet.

 

Did ICE buy him a Frosty for putting him through that bullshit?

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Posted
Just now, royiv said:

Did ICE buy him a Frosty for putting him through that bullshit?

Florida offered him two dozen jobs that immigrants used to work before the mass exodus. I'm sure this will help bring the labor back

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Posted
1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

And you also see how his last name is hyphenated to have TWO "Z's," so he's EXTRA messican, meaning....well, you know...he ain't a REAL murican.

Bottom line, the rule under the Trump Regime is not a mystery: If you 1) don't have a sufficiently "American-sounding" name, then 2) you are presumed to be an illegal alien, 3) even if you produce definitive proof of citizenship, because proof don't make a shit in a land where due process isn't a thing.  So really, all that matters is items 1 and 2.  Hope you like Salvadoran prisons!  And my "you," I mean....my entire fucking family, which isn't exactly named "Smith."

You should represent him, sue and make a posh ledge for us all.

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Posted
3 hours ago, Todd Gack said:

 

All of this makes perfect sense and I'd not entertain the idea in a sane world.  But I don't put it past the administration to draft a brand new type of agreement that precludes the signee from disclosing anything to any judge/court "due to national security concerns" or some such bullshit.  And even if it's not enforceable and is deemed legally void, the message sent is clear: shut the fuck up and go live your life in the shadows or we will dead you.

After today's unanimous ruling, it seems like trump really has no off ramp on this issue, aside from telling all the courts to go fuck themselves and throwing everything even further into chaos.  I guess then we'll see how deep this black hole really goes.

They have much more effective ways of making him too afraid to disclose anything than having him sign a piece of paper. 

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Understand that this will happen again.  And again.  And again.  And again.  Because the PRIMARY purpose is to make it clear that non-lily-white Americans....well, y'all aren't really 'muricans at all, you hear me?  The purpose is to drive them into second-class citizen status.  And yes, it's just a matter of time before it goes all the way, and involves shipping an American to a foreign gulag.  Don't want that to happen to you?  Best stay in your own neighborhoods, boy.  Best keep your head down, boy.

Our black posters around here can tell us all about how that goes.  The Trump Regime isn't running a new play.  They're running a time-honored play.  

Boy, it looks like you're someplace you don't belong....you're coming with me.

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I don't think it's going to end up being only a race thing. Enemies of the regime shouldn't feel like they're safe from getting disappeared just because they're white. 

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2 minutes ago, immamac said:

From isn't a bluesky thing. Hard to tell, but that's really good Photoshop/AI 

There's no twitter on Surly but it's something Bukele tweeted just now

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Just now, immamac said:

Holy fuck. There's no way they put him back in the gulag, but I bet there's also no fucking way he ever comes back to the US while trump is president. 

Oh I think he's coming back. Too bad this guy's an old, or that photo would've made him a lock for the 2028 nom

Posted
1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

Oh I think he's coming back. Too bad this guy's an old, or that photo would've made him a lock for the 2028 nom

Because old white men never get elected president?

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Posted
8 hours ago, Underdog said:

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I made a jello salad this week with frozen raspberries, raspberry gelatin and cool whip. It's pretty tasty. But olives? I have a much better use for those:

The Perfect Martini Recipe

 

Back to the topic....

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Posted
16 minutes ago, immamac said:

Holy fuck. There's no way they put him back in the gulag, but I bet there's also no fucking way he ever comes back to the US while trump is president. 

That image and quote is stage-managed hostage taker communications. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, royiv said:

Pretty sure he was President. And the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania is pushing 80.

And both were unqualified to do the job. We must do better.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

That image and quote is stage-managed hostage taker communications. 

What image and quote? I don't know why you have to be so pessimistic all the time, I get this is terrible and all, but I don't see the play here of letting him out just for a photo op. This is gonna piss trump off big time, it's not a win win 

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

What image and quote? I don't know why you have to be so pessimistic all the time, I get this is terrible and all, but I don't see the play here of letting him out just for a photo op. This is gonna piss trump off big time, it's not a win win 

You don’t think trump gave the ok? I see it as them setting up trump and bukele as some sort of heroes. Trump can lie that he’s a humanitarian and decided to save him



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