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I almost never watch any documentary about the Oklahoma City bombing.  (I don't need to.  I was there.)  To this day, I've only been to the memorial twice and have never been to the museum, which I hear is fantastic.  

However, the doc on Hulu and Disney+ got great reviews and with the 30th anniversary coming up on Saturday, I decided to give it a watch.  Highly recommend this.  It gets current interviews from all the people involved from Clinton, Keating, to the people on the ground.  Also a lot of raw footage that I remembered.  

TBH, it's a tough watch but a great watch.  At the 30 year anniversary of anything, the only people that remember are the people too old to forget.  

I put this here and no the TV board or god knows the CR because I want it to be a wide ranging topic for discussion.  If you haven't watched it, please do but better yet, watch it with your kids.

If you're under 30, you weren't even alive. The only people that remember something at the 30 year mark are people who are too old to forget.

 

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5 minutes ago, Deej said:

There's one releasing on Netflix soon. 

From what I understand, that one is more about Tim McVeigh and he's not that interesting of a person, quite frankly.  The Hulu/Disney doc is from National Geographic and it's about the stories of the people involved.    

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Probably one of the first real bad news events I remember watching on TV as a kid, very wild that it's been 30 years. Been to the memorial a couple times and went to a wedding at St Joseph Old Cathedral across the street about 10 years ago. 

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5 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

From what I understand, that one is more about Tim McVeigh and he's not that interesting of a person, quite frankly.  The Hulu/Disney doc is from National Geographic and it's about the stories of the people involved.    

Domestic terrorists

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The bombing got in the way of my getting to play Mortal Kombat (the first) on a rented Sega Genesis, so my feelings about it have always been pretty ambivalent

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Memorial is beautiful and museum is fantastic but prepare yourself if you go through it as it gets quite dusty towards the end when you see the victims list. 

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Terry Nicholls was living in the country just outside of my hometown at the time. Once that connection was made the FBI and other LE agencies had a large presence here. A week or so before the bombing, I had rented a Ryder box truck in order to haul some tooling back to Kansas from a plant in Lincoln, IL. It stayed in the parking lot of our business until the tooling was repaired and I then drove it back to Lincoln. When I went to the airport to return home, the bomb had just gone off and all of the televisions in the airport were tuned to the special news report. A couple of days after I returned home, our company got a visit from the FBI because it had been reported that we had a Ryder truck sitting in our parking lot. They quickly checked the rental papers and ruled us out as suspects but it was pretty nerve wracking to say the least.

The OKC Memorial is one of the most sobering monuments that I have visited. I highly recommend a visit.

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1 hour ago, Underdog said:

Memorial is beautiful and museum is fantastic but prepare yourself if you go through it as it gets quite dusty towards the end when you see the victims list. 

I've heard only excellent things about the museum.  I don't need to go but if someone wanted me to take them, I'd go.  I just don't know if I could make it through because of the people I knew on that list.

I can't make it past the fence line that they kept.

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2 hours ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Probably one of the first real bad news events I remember watching on TV as a kid, very wild that it's been 30 years. Been to the memorial a couple times and went to a wedding at St Joseph Old Cathedral across the street about 10 years ago. 

Watching the Hulu doc, they had the raw footage and what I remember was the local TV stations just running that live, raw footage literally all day.  That's kind of surreal looking back but you'd see blood, gore, everything.  My wife was surprised when I told her that.  We were all glued to the TV for days.

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One more thing.  (I was explaining this to my wife watching the doc.)

You've seen the picture of the building thousands of times but you don't realize that the whole part of town was blown to hell.  Probably a 10 square block radius. Saw this in a recap story:

In the weeks after the blast, a survey determined 330 buildings were damaged, another 15 were destroyed or needed to be torn down, and that repair costs would top $150 million.  

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14 hours ago, Nigel Tufnel said:

I tell people whenever it comes up that the OKC Memorial is as good as any memorial they could see in DC.  It is truly moving.

That may be, but I'm not going to Oklahoma to find out. 

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16 hours ago, Shoxthemonkey said:

Terry Nicholls was living in the country just outside of my hometown at the time. Once that connection was made the FBI and other LE agencies had a large presence here. A week or so before the bombing, I had rented a Ryder box truck in order to haul some tooling back to Kansas from a plant in Lincoln, IL. It stayed in the parking lot of our business until the tooling was repaired and I then drove it back to Lincoln. When I went to the airport to return home, the bomb had just gone off and all of the televisions in the airport were tuned to the special news report. A couple of days after I returned home, our company got a visit from the FBI because it had been reported that we had a Ryder truck sitting in our parking lot. They quickly checked the rental papers and ruled us out as suspects but it was pretty nerve wracking to say the least.

The OKC Memorial is one of the most sobering monuments that I have visited. I highly recommend a visit.

I grew up late 80's in a farming community in West Texas.   In the summer I had a job at the only convenience store for about 30 miles.   One day a smaller car with OK tags pulled up to the gas pump.  The passenger got out and came in and started looking around while wanting to talk.   I thought it was strange at the time.   His buddy finished up with the gas and walked in.   It was summer and they both had on military type jackets and black military boots.  They bought a few things and started walking out.   As they opened the door the passenger turned to me and do you know where we can get some fertilizer.   I remember saying something like the kind in a bag for the grass?   He said no like the liquid you use for farming.   I then said  go back to the flashing light and turn right.   It's about 10 miles out there on the left.   As I watched them pull out I was thinking no way those guys are farmers.   Never thought about that again until a few days after the bombing.   The first time the news showed Nichol pic I almost vomited.   He was the passenger of that car looking for the fertilizer.  

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19 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

From what I understand, that one is more about Tim McVeigh and he's not that interesting of a person, quite frankly. 

Fucking unbridled cowardly piece of shit. He and Nicholls scouted the Murrow building and knew a daycare center was on the first floor. The building was full of government targets (ATF, DEA, FBI) that satisfied McVeigh's end game. The scum considered the kids to be "collateral damage". McVeigh knew he was going to hell but that was and is too good a place for an animal like that. 

This will always be the lasting memory of that day's darkness.

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35 minutes ago, MontereyMX said:

I grew up late 80's in a farming community in West Texas.   In the summer I had a job at the only convenience store for about 30 miles.   One day a smaller car with OK tags pulled up to the gas pump.  The passenger got out and came in and started looking around while wanting to talk.   I thought it was strange at the time.   His buddy finished up with the gas and walked in.   It was summer and they both had on military type jackets and black military boots.  They bought a few things and started walking out.   As they opened the door the passenger turned to me and do you know where we can get some fertilizer.   I remember saying something like the kind in a bag for the grass?   He said no like the liquid you use for farming.   I then said  go back to the flashing light and turn right.   It's about 10 miles out there on the left.   As I watched them pull out I was thinking no way those guys are farmers.   Never thought about that again until a few days after the bombing.   The first time the news showed Nichol pic I almost vomited.   He was the passenger of that car looking for the fertilizer.  

It wasn't Frank Stallone?

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Who asks for directions to get liquid fertilizer in rural great plains states?

"See that lot with all of the anhydrous ammonia tank trailers?  That's where the fucking frtilizer is..."

 

Never have been to the OKC Memorial, but if it's anything like the 9-11 Memorial in NYC, just be prepared for a lot in your head and heart.  "Heavy" is a word I used.  It's a LOT to process.

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Watched the NatGeo series last night and watching the Netflix thing now. Quite a bit of overlap in footage and people they interviewed. 
 

I was in OKC last year for a concert and made it a point to visit the memorial. It was as well done as everyone says. I’m bummed I didn’t have time to visit the museum. Next time. 

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3 hours ago, Wally Pryor said:

Fucking unbridled cowardly piece of shit. He and Nicholls scouted the Murrow building and knew a daycare center was on the first floor. The building was full of government targets (ATF, DEA, FBI) that satisfied McVeigh's end game. The scum considered the kids to be "collateral damage". McVeigh knew he was going to hell but that was and is too good a place for an animal like that. 

This will always be the lasting memory of that day's darkness.

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This.

It's why I have a short fuse for people like that January 6 dipshits.  Neither McVeigh nor them are smart, nuanced, or original.  They have emotional and/or mental problem and have murderous intentions.  You are correct about the day care center.  They knew it was there and parked the bomb there anyway.  Had he done this at 2 in the morning, I wouldn't have agreed with it but he would have made whatever statement he was trying to make without the "collateral damage."  We're talking about a guy who probably jerked off to the Turner Diaries the day before, though, so no, I do not find him interesting at all.

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2 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

Watched the NatGeo series last night and watching the Netflix thing now. Quite a bit of overlap in footage and people they interviewed. 
 

I was in OKC last year for a concert and made it a point to visit the memorial. It was as well done as everyone says. I’m bummed I didn’t have time to visit the museum. Next time. 

I don't know Amy Downs but I know someone who does.  If you remember, she was kind of heavy set in the original pictures but not now.  After somehow surviving the bombing with no serious long term physical injuries, she made a vow to get in better shape and took up running.  Her first half marathon was the Oklahoma City Half and her goal was just to beat the cut off time.  With only two days notice, the moved the cut off time up by two minutes, which made her at risk for not finishing.  That got up to whoever was in charge and they basically said over their cold dead body were they going to cut her off regardless of her time.  In the end, she beat the adjusted cut off time and took up running and tri's over the years.  You could tell the entire saga of the Oklahoma City Bombing just through Amy Downs.

I'll also add that no other city in America has improved itself over the last 30 years than Oklahoma City.  The oil bust hit it hard but the bombing made the people there want to known for something good.  Over the years they taxed and spent vast sums of money for public spaces, arenas, etc.  It was a hollowed out lower tier cowtown and look at it now and it will look remarkably different ten years from now.

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6 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

I watched a Netflix doc about this awhile back. It was eerie seeing this dude's political beliefs basically mirror what we're seeing now.

The museum is well done. I was there about two years ago. Some of the interactive portions from the time period discuss conspiracies, extremism, and the rise of domestic terrorism. It was almost as though they were speaking about the present day. It's run by the National Parks Department and wouldn't be surprised if all of that has been removed by now.

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15 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I'll also add that no other city in America has improved itself over the last 30 years than Oklahoma City.  The oil bust hit it hard but the bombing made the people there want to known for something good.  Over the years they taxed and spent vast sums of money for public spaces, arenas, etc.  It was a hollowed out lower tier cowtown and look at it now and it will look remarkably different ten years from now.

We thoroughly enjoyed our time there when we visited the Memorial/Museum and hitting up Nic’s Grill for one of the best burgers I’ve had. Have told Jr he needs to make a weekend of it up there whenever the Lakers play there, thought it was a beautiful city.

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19 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I don't know Amy Downs but I know someone who does.  If you remember, she was kind of heavy set in the original pictures but not now.  After somehow surviving the bombing with no serious long term physical injuries, she made a vow to get in better shape and took up running.  Her first half marathon was the Oklahoma City Half and her goal was just to beat the cut off time.  With only two days notice, the moved the cut off time up by two minutes, which made her at risk for not finishing.  That got up to whoever was in charge and they basically said over their cold dead body were they going to cut her off regardless of her time.  In the end, she beat the adjusted cut off time and took up running and tri's over the years.  You could tell the entire saga of the Oklahoma City Bombing just through Amy Downs.

I'll also add that no other city in America has improved itself over the last 30 years than Oklahoma City.  The oil bust hit it hard but the bombing made the people there want to known for something good.  Over the years they taxed and spent vast sums of money for public spaces, arenas, etc.  It was a hollowed out lower tier cowtown and look at it now and it will look remarkably different ten years from now.

She’s also worked herself up from a clerk at the credit union on the day of the bombing to CEO today. She’s featured prominently in both docs. 

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27 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I'll also add that no other city in America has improved itself over the last 30 years than Oklahoma City.  The oil bust hit it hard but the bombing made the people there want to known for something good.  Over the years they taxed and spent vast sums of money for public spaces, arenas, etc.  It was a hollowed out lower tier cowtown and look at it now and it will look remarkably different ten years from now.

The city had started rethinking things a few years earlier when they lost a United Airlines maintenance facility to Indianapolis. They did a thorough evaluation and one of the things that kept coming up was that their downtown had one decent hotel among other deficiencies. This accelarated after the bombing but the groundwork had already been laid. I'll say that from my last visit to downtown OKC last year the canal and such are still photogenic but the area has been mismanaged, or some other factors are at play, because Bricktown doesn't feel organic anymore, it feels like a struggling shopping mall. The new convention center will probably help as will the new arena. 

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3 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I don't know Amy Downs but I know someone who does.  If you remember, she was kind of heavy set in the original pictures but not now.  After somehow surviving the bombing with no serious long term physical injuries, she made a vow to get in better shape and took up running.  Her first half marathon was the Oklahoma City Half and her goal was just to beat the cut off time.  With only two days notice, the moved the cut off time up by two minutes, which made her at risk for not finishing.  That got up to whoever was in charge and they basically said over their cold dead body were they going to cut her off regardless of her time.  In the end, she beat the adjusted cut off time and took up running and tri's over the years.  You could tell the entire saga of the Oklahoma City Bombing just through Amy Downs.

 

Yep.

Downs said at the end of the documentary that she later became the CEO of that credit union.

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3 hours ago, 'stache said:

The city had started rethinking things a few years earlier when they lost a United Airlines maintenance facility to Indianapolis. They did a thorough evaluation and one of the things that kept coming up was that their downtown had one decent hotel among other deficiencies. This accelarated after the bombing but the groundwork had already been laid. I'll say that from my last visit to downtown OKC last year the canal and such are still photogenic but the area has been mismanaged, or some other factors are at play, because Bricktown doesn't feel organic anymore, it feels like a struggling shopping mall. The new convention center will probably help as will the new arena. 

Yeah, the United thing kind of opened their eyes but they commitment really wasn't there, especially with the oil bust going on.  I love what they did the the First National Bank building, though, which was one of the MAPS iterations.  We ate at Teller's over Christmas and they've trained the wait staff to go over the history of the building.  Our waiter said "At one point there was something called an 'oil bust'."

I laughed and said "I've heard of this 'oil bust' you speak of."

Bricktown really isn't my scene but I could see that.

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8 hours ago, MontereyMX said:

I grew up late 80's in a farming community in West Texas.   In the summer I had a job at the only convenience store for about 30 miles.   One day a smaller car with OK tags pulled up to the gas pump.  The passenger got out and came in and started looking around while wanting to talk.   I thought it was strange at the time.   His buddy finished up with the gas and walked in.   It was summer and they both had on military type jackets and black military boots.  They bought a few things and started walking out.   As they opened the door the passenger turned to me and do you know where we can get some fertilizer.   I remember saying something like the kind in a bag for the grass?   He said no like the liquid you use for farming.   I then said  go back to the flashing light and turn right.   It's about 10 miles out there on the left.   As I watched them pull out I was thinking no way those guys are farmers.   Never thought about that again until a few days after the bombing.   The first time the news showed Nichol pic I almost vomited.   He was the passenger of that car looking for the fertilizer.  

Nicholls and one other person, don’t know if it was McVeigh or not,Broke into our local Martin Marietta quarry and took blasting caps and dynamite. I saw that motherfucker around town often and had no idea. They mixed it all up at a county fishing lake 20 miles north of us. 

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I was in 7th grade at the time. We were running around the school campus and lo and behold there was a fucking tornado about 10 miles north of us that we could see. We all huddled in the coaches office with the radio on but all stations would talk about was some bombing we knew nothing about. 

So csb there was a tornado in my hometown the same day.

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5 hours ago, 'stache said:

The city had started rethinking things a few years earlier when they lost a United Airlines maintenance facility to Indianapolis. They did a thorough evaluation and one of the things that kept coming up was that their downtown had one decent hotel among other deficiencies. This accelarated after the bombing but the groundwork had already been laid. I'll say that from my last visit to downtown OKC last year the canal and such are still photogenic but the area has been mismanaged, or some other factors are at play, because Bricktown doesn't feel organic anymore, it feels like a struggling shopping mall. The new convention center will probably help as will the new arena. 

Also, the next 5 years will be interesting.  They're about to start demo on the old convention center for the new arena.  They'll then demo that and turn it into an outdoor promenade of sorts with shops, restaurants, etc., similar to what Milwaukee did.  It's always been a disjointed downtown because the office district basically splits everything up.

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6 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I don't know Amy Downs but I know someone who does.  If you remember, she was kind of heavy set in the original pictures but not now.  After somehow surviving the bombing with no serious long term physical injuries, she made a vow to get in better shape and took up running.  Her first half marathon was the Oklahoma City Half and her goal was just to beat the cut off time.  With only two days notice, the moved the cut off time up by two minutes, which made her at risk for not finishing.  That got up to whoever was in charge and they basically said over their cold dead body were they going to cut her off regardless of her time.  In the end, she beat the adjusted cut off time and took up running and tri's over the years.  You could tell the entire saga of the Oklahoma City Bombing just through Amy Downs.

I'll also add that no other city in America has improved itself over the last 30 years than Oklahoma City.  The oil bust hit it hard but the bombing made the people there want to known for something good.  Over the years they taxed and spent vast sums of money for public spaces, arenas, etc.  It was a hollowed out lower tier cowtown and look at it now and it will look remarkably different ten years from now.

 

5 hours ago, 'stache said:

The city had started rethinking things a few years earlier when they lost a United Airlines maintenance facility to Indianapolis. They did a thorough evaluation and one of the things that kept coming up was that their downtown had one decent hotel among other deficiencies. This accelarated after the bombing but the groundwork had already been laid. I'll say that from my last visit to downtown OKC last year the canal and such are still photogenic but the area has been mismanaged, or some other factors are at play, because Bricktown doesn't feel organic anymore, it feels like a struggling shopping mall. The new convention center will probably help as will the new arena. 

 

I worked on a planning project for the OKC region around 2009-2010 and was impressed with everything that was going on back then. Bricktown and Devon Tower were both still pretty new, and I recall there were big gaps in the "urban fabric" around both of those. Strengthening the connections between them or enhancing the immediate areas around them was a big theme of the plan. Did any of those areas eventually get filled in?

The filling-in part was something that seemed sorely needed for the city, since many of its major "anchors' are isolated from one another. This was especially noticeable coming from Austin, where all those major activity nodes are clustered in the urban core.

For the benefit of Austin people, the way they're set up would be analogous to:

  • The Capitol building would be located about where the old Concordia Campus used to be, but a little bit east of I-35. It's basically in a low-density, residential-type area.
  • The Dell Medical Center would be in Austin's Chestnut neighborhood, a few blocks east of Oakwood Cemetery.
  • And the University of Texas campus would be out by Niederwald. 

Don't get me wrong, though. I did, in fact, like OKC. It's just that all those things being spread out seemed to hold back the downtown area from being a vibrant urban core back then. 

To make this post relevant to the thread topic, I didn't visit the museum but did wander around the memorial for a while. It is very well done and should be seen by anyone visiting town.

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20 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

 

I worked on a planning project for the OKC region around 2009-2010 and was impressed with everything that was going on back then. Bricktown and Devon Tower were both still pretty new, and I recall there were big gaps in the "urban fabric" around both of those. Strengthening the connections between them or enhancing the immediate areas around them was a big theme of the plan. Did any of those areas eventually get filled in?

The filling-in part was something that seemed sorely needed for the city, since many of its major "anchors' are isolated from one another. This was especially noticeable coming from Austin, where all those major activity nodes are clustered in the urban core.

For the benefit of Austin people, the way they're set up would be analogous to:

  • The Capitol building would be located about where the old Concordia Campus used to be, but a little bit east of I-35. It's basically in a low-density, residential-type area.
  • The Dell Medical Center would be in Austin's Chestnut neighborhood, a few blocks east of Oakwood Cemetery.
  • And the University of Texas campus would be out by Niederwald. 

Don't get me wrong, though. I did, in fact, like OKC. It's just that all those things being spread out seemed to hold back the downtown area from being a vibrant urban core back then. 

To make this post relevant to the thread topic, I didn't visit the museum but did wander around the memorial for a while. It is very well done and should be seen by anyone visiting town.

That's a very good synopsis.  You and my wife (no pics) are SME's in this area and she said the same thing.  It's the connections that are the problem to your point and the real problem is the downtown office district which has zero function at nights and on weekends outside of the First National building.  It separates Midtown, Bricktown, and the arena.  I'm not sure if there's anything they can do about it.  Scissortail Park is phenomenal, though.

It's an interesting trend in urban development, actually.  "Downtowns" in our history were strictly office districts but now they're becoming "entertainment districts" with stadiums/arenas for concerts, hotels, restaurants, bars, etc.  Detroit has done a very good job with this.  San Francisco has not.  

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41 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

 

I worked on a planning project for the OKC region around 2009-2010 and was impressed with everything that was going on back then. Bricktown and Devon Tower were both still pretty new, and I recall there were big gaps in the "urban fabric" around both of those. Strengthening the connections between them or enhancing the immediate areas around them was a big theme of the plan. Did any of those areas eventually get filled in?

The filling-in part was something that seemed sorely needed for the city, since many of its major "anchors' are isolated from one another. This was especially noticeable coming from Austin, where all those major activity nodes are clustered in the urban core.

For the benefit of Austin people, the way they're set up would be analogous to:

  • The Capitol building would be located about where the old Concordia Campus used to be, but a little bit east of I-35. It's basically in a low-density, residential-type area.
  • The Dell Medical Center would be in Austin's Chestnut neighborhood, a few blocks east of Oakwood Cemetery.
  • And the University of Texas campus would be out by Niederwald. 

Don't get me wrong, though. I did, in fact, like OKC. It's just that all those things being spread out seemed to hold back the downtown area from being a vibrant urban core back then. 

To make this post relevant to the thread topic, I didn't visit the museum but did wander around the memorial for a while. It is very well done and should be seen by anyone visiting town.

One more thing to add on the "connections."  They built the small light rail thing there to shuttle people between the areas.  For the first year or so it was free and everyone took it.  People would drive to downtown just to take the "train."

Then the started charging $1 for it and literally no one takes it.

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14 hours ago, MontereyMX said:

I grew up late 80's in a farming community in West Texas.   In the summer I had a job at the only convenience store for about 30 miles.   One day a smaller car with OK tags pulled up to the gas pump.  The passenger got out and came in and started looking around while wanting to talk.   I thought it was strange at the time.   His buddy finished up with the gas and walked in.   It was summer and they both had on military type jackets and black military boots.  They bought a few things and started walking out.   As they opened the door the passenger turned to me and do you know where we can get some fertilizer.   I remember saying something like the kind in a bag for the grass?   He said no like the liquid you use for farming.   I then said  go back to the flashing light and turn right.   It's about 10 miles out there on the left.   As I watched them pull out I was thinking no way those guys are farmers.   Never thought about that again until a few days after the bombing.   The first time the news showed Nichol pic I almost vomited.   He was the passenger of that car looking for the fertilizer.  

Wow

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Alot of great stories in this thread. This was a event that is easily overshadowed . The destruction that this 1 guy did as a vendetta against the government is insane.

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I grew up in norman, and one of my neighbors was killed in the bombing. I was in the 9th grade, and our neighborhood was pretty close knit. Many evenings he, his wife, their kids, other parents and other neighborhood kids would just hang around outside on the street chatting, riding bikes, playing hoops.

I haven’t been to the memorial or museum. I need to do that soon. I’ve been to the 9/11 museum, and it was very powerful.

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On 4/19/2025 at 10:41 PM, GenXer said:

I grew up in norman, and one of my neighbors was killed in the bombing. I was in the 9th grade, and our neighborhood was pretty close knit. Many evenings he, his wife, their kids, other parents and other neighborhood kids would just hang around outside on the street chatting, riding bikes, playing hoops.

I haven’t been to the memorial or museum. I need to do that soon. I’ve been to the 9/11 museum, and it was very powerful.

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16 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

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Poorly worded on my part. I was describing our neighborhood about 10 years before the bombing.

I was out of college and working on a project in LA when the bombing happened. 

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On 4/17/2025 at 6:37 PM, Nigel Tufnel said:

I tell people whenever it comes up that the OKC Memorial is as good as any memorial they could see in DC.  It is truly moving.

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