College Football Imperialism Map

[AeroHorn 791]

On 9/19/2018 at 6:53 AM, Huckleberry said:

If it continued every year it would eventually merge with the college football title belt concept, right? And unfortunately right now Penn State holds the belt after destroying Pittsburgh for it.

I don't think so. For the Belt, it is possible for it to be stuck in a conference as long as the current holder loses to a conference mate before losing an OOC game, and it can only be passed through one team at a time (only one game matters each week, that too if the holder is playing). The land on the other hand is potentially being captured/lost at every game, and this makes it more "realistic" reflection of team/conference strength than the belt.

Obviously, even with only one undefeated team at the end of the season, there is land held by others and belt also being passed between other teams. In the eventuality of a multiple year undefeated run where OOC chain gets linked across all conferences, there is still a chance where the undefeated team's playoff opponent snuck in by avoiding its own conference title game, like Alabama last year. Only a true knockoff tournament will coalesce the two, I think; and if that is happening, the belt is moot.

There is another game on Reddit, where each team bets half of their current endowment on each game. The latest post is here. We started with $10B and promptly lost $5B in our first game. Unlike the imperialism map, this is not a bet between teams where the winner gets the loser's money, but are bets placed with a betting office. We gained 130M against Tulsa (our winning odds were high, so payout was low) and $1.6B against USC. The running score is kept in a Google spreadsheet. We have lost 34% of our endowment this year. Very bad showing.

 

[Huckleberry 34323]

I'm not following you on how it doesn't eventually converge with the title belt concept over multiple seasons. The only difference I can think of would be if when a new team enters FBS they are given the counties closest to their campus.

[Huckleberry 34323]

Look at the current one that is simply 2017-18.

 

Assuming Penn State and Ohio State win this weekend, the vast majority of the country will be with one team. Then moving forward if anyone beats the winner of that game, they take over all the territory that team has. It almost certainly wouldn't become a one-team map this season, but heading into next season there would only be a few random areas left. Consider that Louisiana Tech plays LSU tomorrow. So all that random land that La Tech has will likely enter the SEC schedule. So there is a decent chance that is all combined with the SEC by the end of the season. Same logic for the current UCF and USF land, and the OU and Oklahoma State land.

A few seasons of that, one key matchup, and suddenly the entire map is owned by one team. And that's when it becomes the same concept as the title belt.

Edited September 21, 2018 by Huckleberry

[bamachine 1231]

Week 4

Through week 4, starting at the first week of the 2017 season.

[AeroHorn 791]

On 9/21/2018 at 12:02 PM, Huckleberry said:

Assuming Penn State and Ohio State win this weekend, the vast majority of the country will be with one team. Then moving forward if anyone beats the winner of that game, they take over all the territory that team has. It almost certainly wouldn't become a one-team map this season, but heading into next season there would only be a few random areas left. Consider that Louisiana Tech plays LSU tomorrow. So all that random land that La Tech has will likely enter the SEC schedule. So there is a decent chance that is all combined with the SEC by the end of the season. Same logic for the current UCF and USF land, and the OU and Oklahoma State land.

A few seasons of that, one key matchup, and suddenly the entire map is owned by one team. And that's when it becomes the same concept as the title belt.

I could be wrong, but I was thinking of cases where the loser jumps into the playoffs because of inherently non-knockoff nature of college football. For example, let's say PSU beats OSU this week (retains belt and takes over vast tracks of land), but loses in conference championship allowing OSU to be the sole representative in the playoff. The belt and land will stay in the Big 10 assuming conference champion (Wisconsin?) retains the land and belt it got for PSU by winning its bowl game. Alabama may beat OSU to win national title, but sans belt and land.

As long as the path to national championship is open to teams that can avoid knock-off games (conference championships), they can be empty handed while parking the belt and land with their conference winner brethren.

 

[AeroHorn 791]

Bamamachine, I couldn't see the images in your post. I am posting them again.

We hang on to our Oklahoma territory by denying the landless frogs. We have to do the same this week against Wildcats. The mercurial nature is visible here where USC, whom we beat and gained nothing from, owns a big chunk of northwest now.

 

The game of the landlords this week when OSU and PSU face off.

[texifornia 58653]

2 minutes ago, AeroHorn said:

Bamamachine, I couldn't see the images in your post. I am posting them again.

We hang on to our Oklahoma territory by denying the landless frogs. We have to do the same this week against Wildcats. The mercurial nature is visible here where USC, whom we beat and gained nothing from, owns a big chunk of northwest now.

Labette, Montgomery, Chautauqua, Wilson and Elk Counties in Kansas are there too - despite K-State being landless we do have a bit of their state.

Edited September 24, 2018 by texifornia

[Katfid54 9005]

8 minutes ago, AeroHorn said:

I could be wrong, but I was thinking of cases where the loser jumps into the playoffs because of inherently non-knockoff nature of college football. For example, let's say PSU beats OSU this week (retains belt and takes over vast tracks of land), but loses in conference championship allowing OSU to be the sole representative in the playoff. The belt and land will stay in the Big 10 assuming conference champion (Wisconsin?) retains the land and belt it got for PSU by winning its bowl game. Alabama may beat OSU to win national title, but sans belt and land.

As long as the path to national championship is open to teams that can avoid knock-off games (conference championships), they can be empty handed while parking the belt and land with their conference winner brethren.

 

You guys are talking about two different things, man.  Huck is saying that the long-term map (if continued from here out) will eventually converge with the college football "title belt." And it definitely will.  But I think you're talking about the map that starts over every year and saying that, since that map begins anew, the season won't end with someone owning "all the land" and the title belt at the same time--which is also true.

[texifornia 58653]

Also, OU owns Baltimore County. After what it did to the recruiting board it's only right we take it for our own.

[AeroHorn 791]

I am also talking about long-term map. I am saying that as long as a team can avoid a path through conference championship on its way to playoffs, the belt and land can stay away from the national champion, and hence never merge. For example, the belt can remain in Big 10, the land in Pac 12 and national championship can be anywhere, as long as Big 10 and/or Pac 12 (in this case) go to playoffs without winning their conference championships.

[Katfid54 9005]

4 minutes ago, AeroHorn said:

I am also talking about long-term map. I am saying that as long as a team can avoid a path through conference championship on its way to playoffs, the belt and land can stay away from the national champion, and hence never merge. For example, the belt can remain in Big 10, the land in Pac 12 and national championship can be anywhere, as long as Big 10 and/or Pac 12 (in this case) go to playoffs without winning their conference championships.

That might happen a few times.  But they'll eventually converge.  Just look at the map with what's about to happen between tOSU and PSU.  The number of distinct owners of the map will necessarily decrease by one this week.  That will continue to happen in the future until the entire map is owned by one time.  After the entire map is owned by one team, it's merely a waiting game for the map and the belt to be held by the same owner.  It might take several years.  But it will eventually happen.

[JBJ 3777]

The singular land owner will always own the belt.

It's impossible for a belt-holder to not own land.

Edited September 24, 2018 by JBJ

[Katfid54 9005]

20 minutes ago, JBJ said:

The singular land owner will always own the belt.

It's impossible for a belt-holder to not own land.

That's not true in the short term.  But it will be true in the long term.

[JBJ 3777]

1 minute ago, Katfid54 said:

That's not true in the short term.  But it will be true in the long term.

Yes it is.  Whenever you set the map, the belt holder owns land.  The belt and that chunk of land are permanently tied together.  Any land added to that chunk likewise becomes permanently joined to the belt.  The belt can never lose land, but it'll continue adding chunks until only it owns the land.

Edited September 24, 2018 by JBJ

[Katfid54 9005]

3 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Yes it is.  Whenever you set the map, the belt holder owns land.  The belt and that chunk of land are permanently tied together.  Any land added to that chunk likewise becomes permanently joined to the belt.  The belt can never lose land.

Good point.

I just looked and PSU currently holds the belt, so it's not hard to see that all land eventually converge and be coterminously owned with the belt.

[Spankytoes 1748]

On 9/19/2018 at 8:59 AM, Sgt Hulk said:

Anyone have a link to how this is supposed To work?

It's like Game of Thrones. You just go with it to fit in, even though you have no idea WTF is going on or who the character's names are.

[bamachine 1231]

Anyone other than Aero having issues seeing the ones I posted?

[Moby Ric 2058]

Where's aggy on the map?  Best 2-2 team on the planet should be there somewhere.  Right?

 

edit,  I can't see yours bama.

Edited September 24, 2018 by Moby Ric

[Born Burnt 6208]

[bamachine 1231]

1 hour ago, Moby Ric said:

Where's aggy on the map?  Best 2-2 team on the planet should be there somewhere.  Right?

 

edit,  I can't see yours bama.

Thanks, guess I will not use that site anymore.

[AeroHorn 791]

Our win against TCU put our endowment in the black for the first time. We have an 11% profit for a total of $11.6B. We made a $4.7B profit on a $3.5B bet (half of $7B we had) on TCU game. 

Reddit thread and the spreadsheet.

Stanford has the highest endowment at $45B (started at $25B) and BYU has the most percentage gain (9.3x). Aggy has lost 3/4th of their endowment ($1.1B now after starting with $4.5B)

 

[NeverMarryAStripper 22205]

I think Randolph Duke would probably dispute that starting aggy endowment amount

[JBJ 3777]

17 minutes ago, AeroHorn said:

Our win against TCU put our endowment in the black for the first time. We have an 11% profit for a total of $11.6B. We made a $4.7B profit on a $3.5B bet (half of $7B we had) on TCU game. 

Reddit thread and the spreadsheet.

Stanford has the highest endowment at $45B (started at $25B) and BYU has the most percentage gain (9.3x). Aggy has lost 3/4th of their endowment ($1.1B now after starting with $4.5B)

 

This is a fun idea.

[AeroHorn 791]

One twist to this idea is if the bet is between the teams where the loser hands the money to the winning team. Right now, the money goes to the betting house.

Gives new meaning to scheduling patsies. Not only do you have to pay them a million bucks to play, but you will have to pay them billions if you lose.

 

[kopp0e 1135]

1 minute ago, AeroHorn said:

One twist to this idea is if the bet is between the teams where the loser hands the money to the winning team. Right now, the money goes to the betting house.

Gives new meaning to scheduling patsies. Not only do you have to pay them a million bucks to play, but you will have to pay them billions if you lose.

 

I don't think any sane school administration would take that bet... It sounds really fun though...

[ztejas 44112]

36 minutes ago, AeroHorn said:

Our win against TCU put our endowment in the black for the first time. We have an 11% profit for a total of $11.6B. We made a $4.7B profit on a $3.5B bet (half of $7B we had) on TCU game. 

Reddit thread and the spreadsheet.

Stanford has the highest endowment at $45B (started at $25B) and BYU has the most percentage gain (9.3x). Aggy has lost 3/4th of their endowment ($1.1B now after starting with $4.5B)

 

What in the absolute fuck are you nerds talking about. 

[heso 2848]

3 minutes ago, ztejas said:

What in the absolute fuck are you nerds talking about. 

“What if schools gambled their endowment on football games”

[AeroHorn 791]

weekly update on the imperialism map. We didn't gain any land by beating KSU, but there is a nice chunk of land spread across to gain from OU.

 

In the continuation map,  OSU now owns most of the USA, besides also taking the belt from PSU.

 

 

On endowment betting front, we made $1.76B profit by beating KSU. We can potentially more than double our current $13.34B endowment by beating OU. Stanford fell from the top spot when it lost half of its $45B endowment by losing to ND. 

[kopp0e 1135]

On 9/24/2018 at 4:14 PM, Moby Ric said:

Where's aggy on the map?  Best 2-2 team on the planet should be there somewhere.  Right?

 

edit,  I can't see yours bama.

They traded the A&M logo for the SEC branding, so we can't see it on the map...

[satyanash 15283]

We finally have land! We now own most of Oklahoma, along with Hawai'i, Delaware, and parts of South Florida.

[Valmy77 13566]

We have conquered Wilbarger County, Texas! Huzzah!

[Loco 3754]

Gata Land mass champions!   Put it on the stadium!

 

Spoiler

 

 

[NowThis 931]

this map is garbage. 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8957]

Gata Land mass champions!   Put it on the stadium!

 

Spoiler  

 

Nice get with alaska. Thats almost like getting Australia in risk

 

[Reese Bennett 3647]

I don’t understand this thread and I don’t want to either.

[Katfid54 9005]

2 minutes ago, Reese Bennett said:

I don’t understand this thread and I don’t want to either.

[satyanash 15283]

57 minutes ago, NowThis said:

this map is garbage. 

[NowThis 931]

it's for the Venn Diagram of idiots / nerds 

[TrashMaster G 18012]

It's amusing the we own part of Maryland now.

[AeroHorn 791]

And out endowment has more than doubled to nearly $30B, with a $16B profit from the OU game. Only ND is ahead of us with $35B endowment. Since we are heavy favorites against Baylor, the potential profit is relatively small ($2.5B), though potential loss would be huge (half of $30B).

 

[Parliament 14526]

How did Ohio State lose everything?

[AeroHorn 791]

They are there. They own their own land in Ohio and also TCU land, PSU land, OrSU land, etc.

You may be confusing the 2018 map with the 2017 continuation map, which treats 2018 games as a continuation of 2017 season. It is below. We also show up in this map courtesy of OU.

[AeroHorn 791]

Week 7 update. We didn't gain any land. Big change is ISU taking over WVU land. Our endowments have increased to 32B, but still second to ND.

[Huckleberry 34323]

1 hour ago, AeroHorn said:

Our endowments have increased to 32B, but still second to ND.

Your mom's endowments have increased to 32B.

[Vertigo 20455]

58 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Your mom's endowments have increased to 32B.

Well played, but I may need to audit those to be sure. 

[AeroHorn 791]

2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Your mom's endowments have increased to 32B.

😀 My mom is a frail, barely 5 feet, ~80lb lady. Nothing of her approaches 32B.

[Gaffords 774]

On 9/18/2018 at 1:13 PM, kopp0e said:

I know this doesn't directly tie in, but here is a map of the XII recruiting areas:

And this is the reason that no matter how much the fans want or how nutty Boren was, OU is NOT looking to bolt from the B12.  The Texas pipeline has always been their bread and butter. 

[Valmy77 13566]

We are all missing out on the fertile recruiting ground in New York and New England.

Wait not one player from Kentucky or Virginia? Odd.

[El Squared 1838]

Sure I want us to dominate in the USA but where is the map for Kamchatka and Irkutsk ? 

That’s what I care about.

[Hurtlocker 2219]

On 9/18/2018 at 8:32 AM, kopp0e said:

Alaska is never "conquered"..!

 

Ok, I missed this originally, but I am not sure how I've lived without this in my life.   This video has everything, but porn.  Which, now that I reflect on that, may be why I never saw it.