Tom "the turtle" Herman [Lame Duck or greatest 5d chess player ever?]

[David Dennison 18,860]

Just now, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

No need to look at recruiting for a temp check. Watch the product on the field.

Herman is on the hot seat.

It's warming up, but he's safe for at least the entirety of next season.

 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12,301]

Just now, David Dennison said:

It's warming up, but he's safe for at least the entirety of next season.

 

You seem to think the seat is only hot right before you’re ejected from it. He’s going to have to replace the majority of his staff with every candidate knowing that he’s coaching for his job in year 4. That’s known as the hot seat.

[David Dennison 18,860]

Just now, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

You seem to think the seat is only hot right before you’re ejected from it. He’s going to have to replace the majority of his staff with every candidate knowing that he’s coaching for his job in year 4. That’s known as the hot seat.

Unless he's forced to fire both coordinators, I'm going to consider it warming.

[Goodman 3,273]

41 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

I know it would never happen, but frankly we should have fired him after game number one against Maryland. Especially after he essentially hired his same UH staff despite being given a blank check. Everything that is happening now was previewed for all to see in that one game. 

I hate to admit it but you are correct, that game's lack of coaching leadership has been a hallmark for this program with Herman. His teams play dumb fb.

Edited November 17, 2019 by Goodman

[LTtxfan 49,196]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

We're going to find out how bad things really are on the first signing day.

Personally not so worried if this 2020 recruiting class ends up ranked in the Top 10 or not.  Yes, Texas will lose a few more commitments.  Just need the ones that sign in 2020 class to be productive with upside.  Bailor, blOU, and Iowa State prove you don't have to sign a Top 10 class for your team to get better.

Just identify good talent with speed/quickness and upside -- then F'n coach and develop them!!

[TexArcher 37,805]

36 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Tom is an arrogant, asshole, who refuses to take responsibility for his mistakes... 

"I'd never say we got outcoached."

So either he thinks he so smart that it's impossible for someone to outcoach him or he he just admitted to being incapable of admitting a mistake (and maybe, ya know, learning from it).

Guys like that don't improve at their craft.  Get him out of here.  

 

[David Dennison 18,860]

This is a fun read now.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/texas-gives-coach-tom-herman-two-year-contract-extension-through-2023-season/

[Cairn Horn88 8,265]

24 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's warming up, but he's safe for at least the entirety of next season.

 

Tom...it's time for an epiphany.

[C-Man 27,230]

For all the foregoing 107 pages of righteous ragin' nobody but this guy has figured it out: The keys are the recruiting class(es) and the transfer portal. We're already taking on water in those areas. If it gets worse and we lose more in these areas we're totally fucked. That's why we need a housecleaning now, to hold what we've still got. Hell, it may already be too late. . . 

Fire Herman now and you’re basically nuking the class. They would all decommit.

[BurntOrange&White 39,934]

6 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

Fire Herman now and you’re basically nuking the class. They would all decommit.

 

We will know a lot about this recruiting class come NSD1 after that it really doesn’t matter. 

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

"I'd never say we got outcoached."

So either he thinks he so smart that it's impossible for someone to outcoach him or he he just admitted to being incapable of admitting a mistake (and maybe, ya know, learning from it).

Guys like that don't improve at their craft.  Get him out of here.  

 

Meant to like this but accidentally hit hate, and I'm out of reactions. Sorry. 

[Goodman 3,273]

1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

"I'd never say we got outcoached."

So either he thinks he so smart that it's impossible for someone to outcoach him or he he just admitted to being incapable of admitting a mistake (and maybe, ya know, learning from it).

Guys like that don't improve at their craft.  Get him out of here.  

 

We have too much proof telling us he's not the guy. I've already admitted, he has a lot of maturing to do as a HC & leader.

[alphahorn 1,637]

I fear the unfortunate truth is the expense of cutting him loose will prolong the inevitable for 2-3 years. 

[BurntOrange&White 39,934]

“Those players didn't choose you. You took the job. It's your turn to be there for them" - Urban Meyer on Tom Herman

[dcar00 14,210]

my hope after Maryland and Ok state last year was that CDC didn't hire him so he'd have less of a problem firing him, then Herman miraculously won the Sugar Bowl.

Of course, in true Texas fashion, CDC, proving he is just like every other dumbass AD, gave him an extension.  the signs were there at UH and in the first 2 seasons, yet we STILL gave the G5 coach an extension.

[bschoolprof 6,255]

Post Game PC is up. See 1:35.  Q: Would you say they just out coached you guys today in terms of X's and O's?  A: "No, I'd never say we got outcoached. They had a few wrinkles we didn't expect, and we made some adjustments and put  our guys in a good position, it's just . . . silence . . it's hard to tell without watching the film"

Lulz.  This is our key decision maker folks.  It's never his fault.  "Never change!!!"

 

Edited November 17, 2019 by bschoolprof

[Slacks 6,821]

"I have to do a better job coaching."
--Good coaches

[JimmyJames 12,271]

We will probably lose to Baylor, beat tech, go to a crappy bowl and maybe win that. 

Tom will get one more year with Sam to turn this crap around. Whether he fires any assistants will be up to him. He probably won’t which means he’s likely gone after next year barring a miracle season. 

[texashorn13 228]

5 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

That inbred had the humility to admit his weaknesses and hire people smarter than him and let them do their jobs.

And therein lies the problem...no one is smarter than Tom Herman.

[Hagbard Celine 10,867]

5 hours ago, David Dennison said:

It's warming up, but he's safe for at least the entirety of next season.

Why?  Why is he safe?  Why should he feel safe?  Parcells says he's already proven he's fraudulent.  How can anyone say he's safe?

[Jkwellborn 6,704]

I wonder if he gets tired of throwing the players under the bus.

[Guest Lobo]

Yeah, has the word "Coward" ever crossed his mind?  Because that's one of the worst things a man in any honorable profession can be called.  And it's starting to sound like ole' Thomas is a walking coward.  

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,248]

5 hours ago, C-Man said:

 

Fire Herman now and you’re basically nuking the class. They would all decommit.

 

I think you underestimate how many want to play for Texas vs how many want to play for Herman and his staff

[ShowMeALoss 143]

3 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

I think you underestimate how many want to play for Texas vs how many want to play for Herman and his staff

Also, depends on who we hire. If we get a top tier coach, I doubt we would have too many decommitments.

[6th Street 6,411]

Even if Herman lands a good recruiting class, it's not like those dudes will get any better under position coaches like Mehringer, Washington, etc. And the boring offense and shitty defenses will end up hiding their strengths. 

[Bullneck 19,107]

5 minutes ago, ShowMeALoss said:

Also, depends on who we hire. If we get a top tier coach, I doubt we would have too many decommitments.

If more than 50% of the players want Herman v. playing at Texas I'd be shocked.  Frankly, I'd hope that most of them would want to be Longhorns no matter who the coach, but that's a little crazy.

[Funk Doctor Spock 12,227]

1 minute ago, Bullneck said:

If more than 50% of the players want Herman v. playing at Texas I'd be shocked.  Frankly, I'd hope that most of them would want to be Longhorns no matter who the coach, but that's a little crazy.

Immamac made a good point a few weeks ago when he said most of these kids are mercenaries, and I totally agree with that. Most of these kids came here because they were sold on the future, not because they're fans of Texas. There's not too many Sam's out there that would have come no matter what. 

[mr. littlejeans 184]

2 hours ago, bschoolprof said:

Post Game PC is up. See 1:35.  Q: Would you say they just out coached you guys today in terms of X's and O's?  A: "No, I'd never say we got outcoached. They had a few wrinkles we didn't expect, and we made some adjustments and put  our guys in a good position, it's just . . . silence . . it's hard to tell without watching the film"

Lulz.  This is our key decision maker folks.  It's never his fault.  "Never change!!!"

 

that’s called being out coached tom. mensa sign out front shoulda told ya.

Edited November 18, 2019 by mr. littlejeans

[Scooter Monzingo 821]

6 hours ago, hornhorn said:

This is such a fucking cop out. Texas will let him do what he wants but he has to win, which he can't. Texas hasn't seen a successful coach in what fifteen years? And even that coach had a chink in the armor where he constantly got humiliated by OU. How does one even know what the "machine" might or might not let a successful coach do. And what the fuck is this "machine" anyways? And lulz at calling it a machine at 210 million dollars in revenue.

For those who run around touting Texas' money, Texas' total athletic revenues were around $210 million dollars last year. There are about a thousand small businesses, not public corporations but mom and pop, family run built in one generation businesses around the country that do more than that in revenue. So calm down on Texas being a corporation. Its a public school in the second largest state in the union that has revenues of a successful small business but the ego of an Apple Inc. For comparison sake, Apple's revenues were $259 billion dollars last year, compare that to Texas' athletic revenues and they are smaller than a rounding error at 0.0000772099th of what Apple did. So no, Texas isn't a corporation. Its a rinky dink mom and pop ice cream corner store with the soup nazi at the helm.

Texas has constantly shit the bed when it comes to picking coaches to hire, partially due to blatant incapability of finding a good hire and partially due to "we're Texas" bullshit. 

Everyone is allowed their opinion.

[Rip76 4,928]

16 minutes ago, mr. littlejeans said:

that’s called being out coached tom. mensa sign out front shoulda told ya.

“Wrinkles?”  I saw nothing out of them that a competent team couldn’t have figured out.

[Guest Lobo]

17 minutes ago, mr. littlejeans said:

that’s called being out coached tom. mensa sign out front shoulda told ya.

He reminds me of the telephone installation guy on Seinfeld, "They prepared better than you, they executed better than you, they adapted better than you, and their overall scheme and player approach closed the game better than you.  Wouldn't you say that's being outcoached?"  

Herman:  "Look, I work for the Longhorns.  I've had a lot of experience with semantics.  So don't try to lure me into some maze of circular logic." 

[Redneck Mutha 7,958]

2 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

It’s a sinking feeling when I realize I shouldn’t have complained so much about Mack Brown, even when it comes to his whiny ass press conferences.   He was better at just about everything than Herman, even (somehow) accepting blame.

I was thinking earlier today about all the assistants and coordinators that worked under Mack. The only one of his I could recall that would not be an upgrade over current staff was Mac Duff.

There's probably a couple others I have conveniently forgotten over the years, but holy shit.

[Ricky Butler 2,723]

2 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

It’s a sinking feeling when I realize I shouldn’t have complained so much about Mack Brown, even when it comes to his whiny ass press conferences.   He was better at just about everything than Herman, even (somehow) accepting blame.

Just want to say that Mack and Stoops dominated a much softer Big 12. 
 

I have a lot of faith that Mack would have found ways to be out schemed by the 2014-2019 coaches of the Big 12. 

[Ricky Butler 2,723]

2 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

It’s a sinking feeling when I realize I shouldn’t have complained so much about Mack Brown, even when it comes to his whiny ass press conferences.   He was better at just about everything than Herman, even (somehow) accepting blame.

Just want to say that Mack and Stoops dominated a much softer Big 12. 
 

I have a lot of faith that Mack would have found ways to be out schemed by the 2014-2019 coaches of the Big 12. 

[Spawn of Cthulhu 2,241]

34 minutes ago, Redneck Mutha said:

I was thinking earlier today about all the assistants and coordinators that worked under Mack. The only one of his I could recall that would not be an upgrade over current staff was Mac Duff.

There's probably a couple others I have conveniently forgotten over the years, but holy shit.

Cow Reese

[Let 'Em Hang 27]

CoachesHotSeat.com has Mensa at #7

Just trying to find the silver lining.......or SOMETHING funny about this weekend.

Edited November 18, 2019 by Let 'Em Hang

[CobbInLimbo 132]

1 hour ago, mr. littlejeans said:

that’s called being out coached tom. mensa sign out front shoulda told ya.

Don't worry guys I just ordered a great ebook that's going to help us turn things around.  We're going to be alright.

/mensa

[runthebone 7,989]

3 hours ago, bschoolprof said:

Post Game PC is up. See 1:35.  Q: Would you say they just out coached you guys today in terms of X's and O's?  A: "No, I'd never say we got outcoached. They had a few wrinkles we didn't expect, and we made some adjustments and put  our guys in a good position, it's just . . . silence . . it's hard to tell without watching the film"

Lulz.  This is our key decision maker folks.  It's never his fault.  "Never change!!!"

 

If you'd never say you were outcoached, then I know to ignore you because you're a lying piece of shit.

[gmr548 16,580]

CoachesHotSeat.com has Mensa at #7
Just trying to find the silver lining.......or SOMETHING funny about this weekend.

Silver lining is there's no point to watch or care about the result of the remaining three games, and no ccg on the table.

At 3.5 hours each, that's 10.5 hours of your life back and another 3.5 you don't have to throw away. 14.5 hours of time better allocated. That's almost a whole waking day. Not to mention, whatever it use you do almost certainly will not have the negative impact on life expectancy that watching this team does. So that's even more time back.

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[SKA the boss 729]

“I’d never say we were out coached.”
But you did say to watch the game. And we did. And I can assure you, you were out coached.
Again.

[SKA the boss 729]

Bizarre double post

[satyanash 14,507]

Friendly reminder: Dabo Swinney went 6-7 in his third season at Clemson. The next year, be brought in Chad Morris at OC and Brett Venables at DC. And Clemson won the ACC Championship and never looked back.

Herman should emulate Swinney's example. Get two new coordinators and let them have real input.

Edited November 18, 2019 by satyanash

[nunna yo bizness 1,687]

Fuck you mensa.

[Jkwellborn 6,704]

Just want to say that Mack and Stoops dominated a much softer Big 12. 
 
I have a lot of faith that Mack would have found ways to be out schemed by the 2014-2019 coaches of the Big 12. 

Maybe, maybe not. Even when Mack was out coached, he normally had enough talent to over come it.

[USNALonghorn 5,078]

8 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Friendly reminder: Dabo Swinney went 6-7 in his third season at Clemson. The next year, be brought in Chad Morris at OC and Brett Venables at DC. And Clemson won the ACC Championship and never looked back.

Herman should emulate Swinney's example. Get two new coordinators and let them have real input.

Swinney is not our standard!!

In all seriousness, I'm sure it was easier for Clemson fans to bear since he wasn't and insufferable douchebag and all.

Edited November 18, 2019 by USNALonghorn

[Stunns38 3,467]

Friendly reminder: Dabo Swinney went 6-7 in his third season at Clemson. The next year, be brought in Chad Morris at OC and Brett Venables at DC. And Clemson won the ACC Championship and never looked back.
Herman should emulate Swinney's example. Get two new coordinators and let them have real input.

Was Dabo as stubborn and arrogant as Mensa?

[gsoda3 3,262]

dabo is one of the most humble coaches in d1.  he knows when he makes mistakes and admits to them.  our guy though..

[SKA the boss 729]

Friendly reminder: Dabo Swinney went 6-7 in his third season at Clemson. The next year, be brought in Chad Morris at OC and Brett Venables at DC. And Clemson won the ACC Championship and never looked back.
Herman should emulate Swinney's example. Get two new coordinators and let them have real input.

It comes down to this, doesn’t it? Which of his egos wins out?
Either he doubles down on his full narcissistic, trust the binder, runny egg process bullshit, and they will all go down with the ship.
Or
This job really, really is that dream job of his and he knows that fucking this up will be a blemish of embarrassing proportions his ego won’t allow (whispering his name with CS...gasp) and he runs the rats off the ship. Winning isn’t so hard as we thought.

[SKA the boss 729]

double post herpes

 

[Eastwood 4,394]

15 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Friendly reminder: Dabo Swinney went 6-7 in his third season at Clemson. The next year, be brought in Chad Morris at OC and Brett Venables at DC. And Clemson won the ACC Championship and never looked back.

Herman should emulate Swinney's example. Get two new coordinators and let them have real input.

DeShaun Watson ain't walking through that door...