Tom "the turtle" Herman [Lame Duck or greatest 5d chess player ever?]

[UncleBuck 6,455]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/video/clemson-offensive-coordinator-tony-elliott-on-the-balance-of-the-offense/

Have been curious about if Elliott would be open to a jump to the NFL. Maybe not as HC, but OC. Houston will have a position, with a QB he coached when he was co-HC. Then, whoever drafts Lawrence will probably have their positions open.

Wonder what his big plans are for his career...

[closetohumping 17,474]

Just now, Dr. Beeper said:

It says a lot. He said Sunday he has a 25% chance of staying. He’s now saying after learning more, it’s much less than that. I wasn’t convinced Herman was done. I am now - if Nahlin is the type to not make shit up. Is he Chip or Ketch, or actually good?

He’s definitely not chip or ketch.  He has integrity.  

[Dbeasy 15,094]

Don’t get overly excited about Herman potentially being gone. Whoever is hired still has to deal with massive cheating by other programs like A&M, and the Big 12 vs SEC, that makes it more difficult to recruit.

[SubliminalHorn 6,811]

1 minute ago, Dbeasy said:

Don’t get overly excited about Herman potentially being gone. Whoever is hired still has to deal with massive cheating by other programs like A&M, and the Big 12 vs SEC, that makes it more difficult to recruit.

I think Urban can navigate those waters just fine

[ClubWhatever 12,158]

1 minute ago, Dbeasy said:

Don’t get overly excited about Herman potentially being gone. Whoever is hired still has to deal with massive cheating by other programs like A&M, and the Big 12 vs SEC, that makes it more difficult to recruit.

We just want to be better than Kansas State dude. 

[usmc0331horn 967]

1 minute ago, Dbeasy said:

Don’t get overly excited about Herman potentially being gone. Whoever is hired still has to deal with massive cheating by other programs like A&M, and the Big 12 vs SEC, that makes it more difficult to recruit.

If you're not playing the game then you shouldn't be at a big time program in college football. Saying others cheat is just an excuse loser programs use.

[Happy Gilmore 1,001]

1 minute ago, Dbeasy said:

Don’t get overly excited about Herman potentially being gone. Whoever is hired still has to deal with massive cheating by other programs like A&M, and the Big 12 vs SEC, that makes it more difficult to recruit.

If Urban Meyer can't overcome that with massive amounts of winning. Then noone can. Tom finished third by going 10-4. Urbs will make Jimbo suck start a pistol. 

[Wally Pryor 5,263]

2 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

We just want to be better than Kansas, dude. 

FIFY.

[Bill Lumbergh 7,186]

Don’t get overly excited about Herman potentially being gone. Whoever is hired still has to deal with massive cheating by other programs like A&M, and the Big 12 vs SEC, that makes it more difficult to recruit.

A lot of top recruits want to stay in state but play for a championship caliber program. They currently don't have that choice. Give them that choice, and recruiting will take care of itself.

Mack locked down the state for a long time because everyone knew Texas was dominant and many of the best in state kids wanted to be here. It slipped away somewhat with aggy inviting cheating into our back yard, but also because there was powerful negative recruiting about the state of our program.

Until we get our shit fixed, it will stay that way.

[UncleBuck 6,455]

Don’t get overly excited about Herman potentially being gone. Whoever is hired still has to deal with massive cheating by other programs like A&M, and the Big 12 vs SEC, that makes it more difficult to recruit.

Wet Dblanket, chill.

[MIkeHoncho 1,931]

3 hours ago, EastTexan said:

Who gives a fuck. Herman's' got to be gone, even if we win out.

I fully agree.  He should have been given his walking papers yesterday - but it will take more than that because COVID is giving everyone some cover.  I cannot see him surviving a .500 season.  I'm hopeful he is just a lame duck at this point and will be gone at the end of the year even if he wins out (which I cannot see happening). 

[usmc0331horn 967]

Does he kiss all the admin guys as well before and after each game?

[Pig Bellmont 8,739]

7 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

Best fanfic around!

Yes, they are just pumping their readers for the inevitable “Urban Meyer’s wife is house shopping” posts

[Texas7 3]

Tony Elliot is a safe hire money wise. You could get him for 3.5 mil a year and let him prove himself.. that’s not what we are after I believe. I think everyone is in agreement we need a big splash like Urban with a proven record.

[Hiphopopotamos 20,889]

Just now, Texas7 said:

Tony Elliot is a safe hire money wise. You could get him for 3.5 mil a year and let him prove himself.. that’s not what we are after I believe. I think everyone is in agreement we need a big splash like Urban with a proven record.

I don't want another coach 'learning on the job'.  Herman had 26 games as a head coach on his resume - If possible I'd like to aim a little higher than that.

[Texas7 3]

Just now, Hiphopopotamos said:

I don't want another coach 'learning on the job'.  Herman had 26 games as a head coach on his resume - If possible I'd like to aim a little higher than that.

Oh I agree with you. Someone said Elliot in a earlier post though.. it has to be big time. Maybe Urban hire Elliot, and then when he gets his headaches he leaves the program to Elliot.

[Viper 12,112]

22 minutes ago, UrbanTheMeyer said:

I think you're nuts if you want Ash to be our interim HC. To put it nicely, his Rutgers team sucked. I'd trust Yurcich slightly more simply because he doesnt have a terrible HC record already.

Is there some reason Urban couldn't start next week?

[TexasGolf 5,022]

12 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I think Urban can navigate those waters just fine

yep...if we can win with urban then just shut the whole fucking thing down. 

[B00M 6,467]

8 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

I keep seeing that we should be 1-3.  No.  We should be 3-1.  We pissed away two easily winnable games.  

Should be 4-0. Tech, TCU and OU are all in down years while our roster is peaking. We should have won every game on our schedule so far by 2+ scores. The B12 hasn't been this bad/winnable since what, '05? We are seeing the culmination of 4 years of Tom's "culture" 

[UncleBuck 6,455]

1 minute ago, Viper said:

Is there some reason Urban couldn't start next week?

Probably because he hasn't spent one second around this team. 

[Hiphopopotamos 20,889]

We'd be saving money with an Urban hire - he wouldn't have to hire a new DC.  

[6th Street 6,508]

1 minute ago, UncleBuck said:

Probably because he hasn't spent one second around this team. 

He'd fit right in

[Happy Gilmore 1,001]

Just now, Hiphopopotamos said:

We'd be saving money with an Urban hire - he wouldn't have to hire a new DC.  

This. Herman basically set Meyer up without knowing it. 

[UncleBuck 6,455]

1 minute ago, 6th Street said:

He'd fit right in

not gunna lie, me right now:

 

[6th Street 6,508]

1 minute ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

We'd be saving money with an Urban hire - he wouldn't have to hire a new DC.  

Drayton, Ash, and Yurcich probably all stick around. The rest of the guys like Herb Hand, Andre Coleman, Oscar Giles, Mark Hagen, and Hutzler are likely gone.

[ztejas 43,543]

1 minute ago, UncleBuck said:

Probably because he hasn't spent one second around this team. 

"Hey Urban, I know you haven't spent one second around these guys, but do you think you could take 53 4-star athletes and maybe beat Kansas and West Vrigina? I know thats asking a lot, since you've only won 3 national titles between two different schools in the last 15 years"

[Bill Lumbergh 7,186]

This. Herman basically set Meyer up without knowing it. 

Maybe one of the reasons I'm hopeful on Urban is it feels like he's been dropping little hints that suggest he'd have interest here. Even just in the past few weeks he is on record saying he thinks Chris Ash was the best coaching upgrade made this off-season and that Texas has recruited well and has a strong roster but coaches are failing at development. Both of those comments seem to hint that he sees a ton of opportunity at Texas that is not being managed well.

Then again, I'm probably just reading into this what I want to hear.

[Js1 85,587]

1 minute ago, Bill Lumbergh said:

Maybe one of the reasons I'm hopeful on Urban is it feels like he's been dropping little hints that suggest he'd have interest here. Even just in the past few weeks he is on record saying he thinks Chris Ash was the best coaching upgrade made this off-season and that Texas has recruited well and has a strong roster but coaches are failing at development. Both of those comments seem to hint that he sees a ton of opportunity at Texas that is not being managed well.

Then again, I'm probably just reading into this what I want to hear.

Plus he so clearly hates Tom and would love to stroll in and win with Tom's coaches and recruits. 

[UncleBuck 6,455]

4 minutes ago, ztejas said:

"Hey Urban, I know you haven't spent one second around these guys, but do you think you could take 53 4-star athletes and maybe beat Kansas and West Vrigina? I know thats asking a lot, since you've only won 3 national titles between two different schools in the last 15 years"

It has nothing to do with how good of a coach Urban Meyer is, or Meyer at all really, and everything to do with a group of 100 young players who don't know the guy you're putting in charge of them mid-season. It'd be a helluv-an emotional time for these kids. 

Edited October 12, 2020 by UncleBuck

[Bill Lumbergh 7,186]

Plus he so clearly hates Tom and would love to stroll in and win with Tom's coaches and recruits. 

I'm not sure if you're joking or serious, but yes I've also seriously considered this as a reason he'd love to take this job.

[TexasGolf 5,022]

2 minutes ago, Bill Lumbergh said:

Maybe one of the reasons I'm hopeful on Urban is it feels like he's been dropping little hints that suggest he'd have interest here. Even just in the past few weeks he is on record saying he thinks Chris Ash was the best coaching upgrade made this off-season and that Texas has recruited well and has a strong roster but coaches are failing at development. Both of those comments seem to hint that he sees a ton of opportunity at Texas that is not being managed well.

Then again, I'm probably just reading into this what I want to hear.

you know he is watching our fox games and his coaching mind already spinning what he would fix

[closetohumping 17,474]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Plus he so clearly hates Tom and would love to stroll in and win with Tom's coaches and recruits. 

"I'M NOT GONNA LET SABAN WIN IT ALL WITH MY RECRUITS!?!?!"

[BurntOrange&White 40,038]

Here is how it should go. You fire Herman and hire urban within a couple of weeks. Tag an interim head coach to finish out the year. 
 

let urban start his recruiting so we can salvage the 2021 class. After season is completed Urban notifies which coaches will be dismissed and if any will be retained. 
 

Urban brings in his guys January or whenever and starts fresh in the spring. 

[BurntOrange&White 40,038]

9 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Drayton, Ash, and Yurcich probably all stick around. The rest of the guys like Herb Hand, Andre Coleman, Oscar Giles, Mark Hagen, and Hutzler are likely gone.

I think Ash and Drayton will be only guys Urban would consider holding over. 

[Bill Lumbergh 7,186]

Here is how it should go. You fire Herman and hire urban within a couple of weeks. Tag an interim head coach to finish out the year. 
 
let urban start his recruiting so we can salvage the 2021 class. After season is completed Urban notifies which coaches will be dismissed and if any will be retained. 
 
Urban brings in his guys January or whenever and starts fresh in the spring. 

Can someone screenshot and send to cdc, just so he knows the plan?

[ztejas 43,543]

4 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

It'd be a helluv-an emotional time for these kids. 

Good. Let them think about why they're here.

[dcar00 14,375]

2 minutes ago, Bill Lumbergh said:

Maybe one of the reasons I'm hopeful on Urban is it feels like he's been dropping little hints that suggest he'd have interest here. Even just in the past few weeks he is on record saying he thinks Chris Ash was the best coaching upgrade made this off-season and that Texas has recruited well and has a strong roster but coaches are failing at development. Both of those comments seem to hint that he sees a ton of opportunity at Texas that is not being managed well.

Then again, I'm probably just reading into this what I want to hear.

until I see anything otherwise, I'm going to chalk it up to a)sticking it to Herman who he clearly hates and b)fucking with Texas recruiting which helps Ohio State.

neither of these means he's at all interested in coaching at the college level again.  but one can hope we are pulling out all the stops if he has the slightest bit of interest.  him "turning down" Texas publicly would not be good.

[SwanderedTalent 5,761]

7 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

It'd be a helluv-an emotional time for these kids. 

oh don't worry, look at how resilient they've been so far

[UncleBuck 6,455]

4 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Good. Let them think about why they're here.

No. That's some old school shit that used to work. There's a transfer-portal now that gives these kids a far better option than they've ever had. Keep 'em as happy as you can. Let 'em rally around one of the coaches they already know. The boat's gunna rock, but make it rock as little as possible. 

 

Or maybe I'm missing something. I'd be willing to say I'm wrong on this. No problem with that at all.

Edited October 12, 2020 by UncleBuck

[Horn Dogg 3,972]

6 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

Here is how it should go. You fire Herman and hire urban within a couple of weeks. Tag an interim head coach to finish out the year. 
 

let urban start his recruiting so we can salvage the 2021 class. After season is completed Urban notifies which coaches will be dismissed and if any will be retained. 
 

Urban brings in his guys January or whenever and starts fresh in the spring. 

Would you go with Ash for interim HC?  If not, who?

[closetojumping 62,880]

 

28 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

It says a lot. He said Sunday he has a 25% chance of staying. He’s now saying after learning more, it’s much less than that. I wasn’t convinced Herman was done. I am now - if Nahlin is the type to not make shit up. Is he Chip or Ketch, or actually good?

 

27 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

He’s definitely not chip or ketch.  He has integrity.  

Nahlin has flagrantly made shit up in his career. I witnessed it first hand on multiple occasions. He viewed it as a means to an end with the "everybody does it" justification. That considered, that was a decade ago. Has the guy matured, gotten better contacts and resources, and developed a sense of integrity when it comes to reporting? I hope so. People can change. 

In an ironic twist, you can now damned sure trust info on stuff like this coming from IT based on changes made this summer. So, sure, take some heart that Nahlin is comparing notes and going with info from multiple confirmed sources. 

[RGBIII 22,840]

Just now, Horn Dogg said:

Would you go with Ash for interim HC?  If not, who?

It doesn’t really matter does it? I mean the year is a shit show anyway, as long as we set ourself up for success in the future and stop the bleeding NOW. This year is almost a moot point

[SwanderedTalent 5,761]

3 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

Keep 'em as happy as you can.

there's a word for children that get treated like that

I'm not disagreeing with your overall premise but this entire program has been spoiled rotten for years

Edited October 12, 2020 by SwanderedTalent

[BurntOrange&White 40,038]

3 minutes ago, Horn Dogg said:

Would you go with Ash for interim HC?  If not, who?

I think so granted he was bad at Rutgers but he has experience needed to weather the storm until spring. You also get Urbans opinion on who he would name interim 

Edited October 12, 2020 by Bevo VIII

[Wally Pryor 5,263]

11 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

It'd be a helluv-an emotional time for these kids. 

Lulz.  Bless their hearts.  For the few on the team that have one. 

[jdhorn92 1,558]

22 minutes ago, Viper said:

Is there some reason Urban couldn't start next week?

That would be a lose lose scenario. Culture isn’t created in a week or month. It takes time. You hire him and we struggle To finish the season then we lose all momentum that a hire like Urban would bring.  No way urban would put himself in a vulnerable position like that. As others have said , the best scenario would be interim with a coordinator. Let urban advise from on high and everyone is on working interview. No other way to do it than that.  

[Bill Lumbergh 7,186]

No. That's some old school shit that used to work. There's a transfer-portal now that gives these kids a far better option than they've ever had.

Hey guys, we're firing Tom Herman and replacing him with Urban Meyer.

No wait, please, don't everyone rush for the transfer portal at once. Isn't anyone going to stay?

[UncleBuck 6,455]

2 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

there's a word for children that get treated like that

I get that, but college football is full of 'em these days, and a lot of them are pretty good players. A lot of college football is keeping players happy. This isn't a new thing. 

[RGBIII 22,840]

Sure doesn’t sound like a guy who’s about to get fired...FUCK

[pearlandhorn 3,274]

Shithead hasn't established an identity in 4 years and he expects it to happen in two weeks.