Tom "the turtle" Herman [Lame Duck or greatest 5d chess player ever?]

[Rockethorn1978 6077]

6 hours ago, DanTheHorn said:

Tom in the presser went back to saying fans can talk about WHAT happened but not WHY it happened. I need put up a sign during Saturday's walk.

WHY? You hired Tim Beck!

Yep this Saturday I expect to see a shit load of 

The WHAT: the offense sucks

The WHY: you hired Tim beck

 

[Newy25 7668]

1 hour ago, 54_Strat said:

In his presser, Herman said he told Drayton during the rain delay that he didn’t want a true freshman playing with the game on the line. 

And Watson fumbles, Porter drops the pass right before the interception. Wouldn't want a freshman out there making a mistake or anything. 

I worry Beck is not the real issue here.  

[6th Street 6392]

Hopefully we are doing a deep dive on Herman's involvement in the Ohio State/Smith wife beating stuff so we can get out of his contract ASAP.

[DixonHur 11296]

10 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

I worry Beck is not the real issue here.  

Beck is a symptom.  Herman's stubborn, "I'm smarter than everyone", attitude is the problem.  

He's like a Trumpkin...no amount of factual evidence will convince him he's wrong.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13091]

2 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Beck is a symptom.  Herman's stubborn, "I'm smarter than everyone", attitude is the problem.  

He's like a Trumpkin...no amount of factual evidence will convince him he's wrong.

Should have stopped with the first sentence.

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

1 hour ago, 54_Strat said:

In his presser, Herman said he told Drayton during the rain delay that he didn’t want a true freshman playing with the game on the line. 

How many years did we get to here that from Mack after the annual OU beatdown?

[BrazilHorn 6591]

Just now, MaybeACoordinator said:

How many years did we get to here that from Mack after the annual OU beatdown?

Herman is feeling like a combo of “Bad Mack’s” thin-skinned whining & bled for program with Strong’s lack of preparation (see delay of 1st play of season)

looking fwd to continued success. 

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

Shut the fuck up.  You are tremendous fucking tool with this Jeff Traylor bit....and I like Traylor.  But you in here talking about the University of Fucking Texas hiring a HS coach with no college HC or hell even true proven coordinator experience under his belt is so over the line of stupid you can't even see the fucking line you hack.
 
Seriously...go staple your hands to your face.

Tell me how that Charlie Strong and Tom Herman hires are working out?

[tonedeaf 56]

9 hours ago, El Squared said:

While being all defensive , can TH actually sense the pressure, or is he that obtuse.

Coach Potato was that obtuse, I guess we will see by mid-season if anything will change, or if TH just rides out his contract, cashing checks and going full Mackovic.

He looked pretty frazzled in yeastedays presser.

[nineliveslost 2753]

2 minutes ago, tjhooker said:

Don't criticize Makovic for his O.  It was normally pretty good.  His D was the worst fucking thing ever.  When we fired him I remember joking can we keep.him on as O coord?

Ahhhhh you mean until Charlie Strong showed up and proved that the defense can always get worse...

[UncleBuck 6453]

14 minutes ago, tonedeaf said:

He looked pretty frazzled in yeastedays presser.

Yah, you can tell he's feeling some pressure. Babblin' on about rabbits and stuff. Only coach who can babble on about rodents, real or mythical, and things still be okay with his job is Leach. 

[tonedeaf 56]

For all you people that think we should get Coach Bro if tech cuts him loose, it aint gonna happen.  Herman is not going to hire anybody that might upstage him.  What I don't understand is why don't he run the offense himself.  Its his offense......run it.

[Wally Pryor 5261]

38 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

He is a prefect storm of shit of the worst coaching issues at Texas over the past 20 plus years.

Yup.

[PittsburghTiger 6179]

8 hours ago, Bruh Man said:

Scipio absolutely destroys the coaching staff for not running the ball on the final possession versus Maryland's 3 man rush like we did successfully at the end of the 1st half. A lot of us were calling for this in the game thread. The offense is a total clusterfuck with Beck. 

From what I saw they had the gameplan, and were not going to change one bit. No adjustments necessary, trust the gameplan above everything else.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

2 minutes ago, tonedeaf said:

For all you people that think we should get Coach Bro if tech cuts him loose, it aint gonna happen.  Herman is not going to hire anybody that might upstage him.  What I don't understand is why don't he run the offense himself.  Its his offense......run it.

Because of the down-side risk if he fails. He can hang Beck out to dry after this year and go after a new OC if the O fails, but if he takes over the O and it fails, the path forward becomes a lot sketchier.

[Tex Long 4389]

'Member when _iaz shit the bed? We brought in Gerg to "consult" and things got better in a hurry? The playcaller doesn't have to be a corch, does he? Oughta be someone we could hire to "consult" on the playcalls, huh? Not that MensaTom would let his ego be pushed aside for such a thing, but...

[South Austin 52480]

7 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

'Member when _iaz shit the bed? We brought in Gerg to "consult" and things got better in a hurry? The playcaller doesn't have to be a corch, does he? Oughta be someone we could hire to "consult" on the playcalls, huh? Not that MensaTom would let his ego be pushed aside for such a thing, but...

We initially brought in Greg Robinson to "consult" when our 2012 defense sucked, but when our defense did not get better and Manny shit the bed against BYU, Mack elevated Robinson to defensive coordinator. I'm not sure how a "consultant" as opposed to an outright coaching change is going to significantly improve things.

[Dbeasy 15047]

You neglected to include he also has John Macovics arrogance and Greg Davis' unwillingness to modify the offesive approach. 
Remember, some people have actually complimented Macovic in comparison to Herman Offense, but that dumb fuck used Ricky Williams as a Full back and Priest Holmes road some bench.
He is a prefect storm of shit of the worst coaching issues at Texas over the past 20 plus years.

Greg Davis deserves a lot of blame. During games, he struggled to change up the offensive play calling, however over his entire tenure he actually changed his offense and philosophy dramatically. That change helped us win the title. He should at least get credit for that.

[tonedeaf 56]

7 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

 

Greg Davis deserves a lot of blame. During games, he struggled to change up the offensive play calling, however over his entire tenure he actually changed his offense and philosophy dramatically. That change helped us win the title. He should at least get credit for that.

 

The inability or the unwillingness to change during the game WAS his problem.  I cant decide if he "changed" his philosophy or if Vince just took over.  I wonder sometimes if GD had a clue what Vince was going to do.  VY was the difference maker.  He could make chicken salad out of chicken shit.  

[South Austin 52480]

13 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Greg Davis deserves a lot of blame. During games, he struggled to change up the offensive play calling, however over his entire tenure he actually changed his offense and philosophy dramatically. That change helped us win the title. He should at least get credit for that.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, tonedeaf said:

The inability or the unwillingness to change during the game WAS his problem.  I cant decide if he "changed" his philosophy or if Vince just took over.  I wonder sometimes if GD had a clue what Vince was going to do.  VY was the difference maker.  He could make chicken salad out of chicken shit.  

I agree that Greg Davis deserves more credit than he may get for changing the offense in 2004.  I'm not so sure we still win a title with Vince and play for another one with Colt if Greg stuck to the pro-style offense from the Applewhite/Simms era. 

I also think Greg takes more blame than he should for the change to our offense in 2010, because I think that was more of a product of Mack trying to cram an SEC-style smash mouth offense down his throat after the loss to Alabama.

But yeah, his inability to make adjustments, particularly against OUsux, was infuriating.

[bschoolprof 6252]

23 minutes ago, South Austin said:

We initially brought in Greg Robinson to "consult" when our 2012 defense sucked, but when our defense did not get better and Manny shit the bed against BYU, Mack elevated Robinson to defensive coordinator. I'm not sure how a "consultant" as opposed to an outright coaching change is going to significantly improve things.

Perhaps the best pure coaching job (Robinson, not Mack's terrible indecisiveness) I've ever seen at UT.  Robinson was put in an impossible situation and made chicken salad out of dogshit that year.  

[Tex Long 4389]

10 minutes ago, South Austin said:

We initially brought in Greg Robinson to "consult" when our 2012 defense sucked, but when our defense did not get better and Manny shit the bed against BYU, Mack elevated Robinson to defensive coordinator. I'm not sure how a "consultant" as opposed to an outright coaching change is going to significantly improve things.

Playcall-by-committee doesn't work in gametime. We need one playcaller. Beck ain't the guy. If MensaTom doesn't take over, we need someone else to do it. Unless you want Hand or Mehringer, it has to be someone not on the coaching staff. Hell, I don't know if there's anyone available to "consult", but if there is, any improvement at all is significant.

Yeah, it's a Dumb Idea - but not any dumber than firing the head coach after one game into his second season.

 

 

[Red Five 40854]

I believe one Gregory Davis is currently unemployed and would probably be interested in this hypothetical opportunity.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

show me a thread on the football board that doesn't devolve into a greg davis discussion. just one.

[HuskiesHorns 28]

I think most of Vince's success was due to calling audibles.

We need a man at QB again who will say "I'm running this shit not you coaches"

[Beau Vine 54215]

57 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

'Member when _iaz shit the bed? We brought in Gerg to "consult" and things got better in a hurry? The playcaller doesn't have to be a corch, does he? Oughta be someone we could hire to "consult" on the playcalls, huh? 

I think I get what you're saying -- hire 2018 National Madden Champion!

[taybo20 2825]

24 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

Perhaps the best pure coaching job (Robinson, not Mack's terrible indecisiveness) I've ever seen at UT.  Robinson was put in an impossible situation and made chicken salad out of dogshit that year.  

Yeah I have to agree. 

[Tex Long 4389]

1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

I think I get what you're saying -- hire 2018 National Madden Champion!

At this point... how much worse could it be?

[Beau Vine 54215]

3 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

At this point... how much worse could it be?

The answer is none.  None more worse!

[South Austin 52480]

6 minutes ago, tjhooker said:

The should I wear a jersey to the Tulsa game thread. 

Challenge accepted.

[Guest Lobo]

Tom Hermensa may not be as smart as the people in his interview thought he was.  

[Jack Wilson 313]

1 minute ago, tjhooker said:

The should I wear a jersey to the Tulsa game thread. 

The question was not, "find me a stupid thread."

[GabrielsHorn 2183]

44 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

Perhaps the best pure coaching job (Robinson, not Mack's terrible indecisiveness) I've ever seen at UT.  Robinson was put in an impossible situation and made chicken salad out of dogshit that year.  

It's a bit easier on defense to pull this off than on offense. Robinson did an incredible job coaching, but the majority of the change was just playing a very vanilla defense with easy reads as opposed to the complexities from Diaz's defense. I don't really know what that change would be for UT as we struggle run blocking (interior has really, really suffered), and Sam can't hit the "easy" completions consistently. I guess the only changes would be go super QB run heavy (high risk of injury to Sam) or put in Boo and play a more vanilla offense. 

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

I’d say the latter just hitting those easy short to mid range passes consistently will open up the offense more.

[Otter 51]

20 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Tom Hermensa may not be as smart as the people in his interview thought he was.  

You can have a high IQ and still be a dipshit

 

 

 

[DixonHur 11296]

24 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Tom Hermensa may not be as smart as the people in his interview thought he was.  

Or he might be smarter...he conned them out of $5 million a year for 5 years guaranteed. 

[El Squared 1802]

2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

This, any anger directed at Beck is done so incorrectly. Not that Beck is worth a shit, he's not but Tom Herman picked him and refused to fire him after last year's shit show.

There is a head chief in charge of "The Texas Longhorns" and all fury and angst should be correctly direct at him.

 

That's  the total truth. The 5 million dollar man . Its his money and his responsibility....ALL OF IT.

 

He seems like he thought the Maryland game was a throwaway , NFL pre-season type , doesn't count , doesn't -matter- try -out scrimmage.

This was the pre-game, in-game, and post-game attitude he displayed...whether he intentionally did that or not, that's how it came across.

"Every game matters'' :  He either doesn't know, or doesn't care. Very poor self-awareness.

Edited September 4, 2018 by El Squared

[PatSolitanojr 518]

2 minutes ago, El Squared said:

 

That's  the total truth. The 5 million dollar man . Its his money and his responsibility....ALL OF IT.

 

He seems like he thought the Maryland game was a throwaway , NFL pre-season type , doesn't count , doesn't -matter- try -out scrimmage.

This was the pre-game, in-game, and post-game attitude he displayed...whether he intentionally did that or not, that's how it came across.

"Every game matters'' :  He either doesn't know, or doesn't care. Very poor self-awareness.

#1-0

[El Squared 1802]

Also: treating the fan base and media like idiots (regardless of the truth) doesn't help his cause or the team.

[Disco Missile 456]

10 hours ago, Bruh Man said:

Scipio absolutely destroys the coaching staff for not running the ball on the final possession versus Maryland's 3 man rush like we did successfully at the end of the 1st half. A lot of us were calling for this in the game thread. The offense is a total clusterfuck with Beck. 

Well then you guys are total fools.

Porter was in at RB. Because we needed a veteran.

/sarcasm

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

Well then you guys are total fools.
Porter was in at RB. Because we needed a veteran.
/sarcasm

Very true and you all are stoopid dum heads for not knowing that

[PilotsError 2287]

His whole "this loss doesn't mean we still can't win the Big 12" is so fucking straight from Mack it's frightening.  If we hear "scares you to death" it's time for pitchforks and lanterns on the 40 acres.

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

1 minute ago, Bevo VIII said:

Very true and you all are stoopid dum heads for not knowing that

Would've been nice to have had Warren available, either as a TE or an RB. But no, he needed to ride the pine last year so Kyle Porter could get more carries. 

[El Squared 1802]

46 minutes ago, HuskiesHorns said:

I think most of Vince's success was due to calling audibles.

We need a man at QB again who will say "I'm running this shit not you coaches"

See: Brown (roll left) and VY

[El Squared 1802]

24 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

I’d say the latter just hitting those easy short to mid range passes consistently will open up the offense more.

Which is what most very successful teams do.

[taybo20 2825]

5 minutes ago, PilotsError said:

His whole "this loss doesn't mean we still can't win the Big 12" is so fucking straight from Mack it's frightening.  If we hear "scares you to death" it's time for pitchforks and lanterns on the 40 acres.

The thing is, the opposite is true as well. Winning that game doesn’t mean we will win the big 12. Which is the exact problem with smarter than you mensa Head. Fuck Herman for thinking that kind of quote appeases the fans. 

[Fondren & Main 6713]

Beck makes GD look like Chip Kelly.

[Slacks 6819]

3 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

You neglected to include he also has John Macovics arrogance and Greg Davis' unwillingness to modify the offesive approach. 

Remember, some people have actually complimented Macovic in comparison to Herman Offense, but that dumb fuck used Ricky Williams as a Full back and Priest Holmes road some bench.

He is a prefect storm of shit of the worst coaching issues at Texas over the past 20 plus years.

whoa, whoa, whoa... Greg Davis modified the offensive approach for just about every QB and RB combo.  Applewhite, Simms, Mock, VY, Colt, GG, Case, Ash... Priest, Ricky, Brett Robin, Ced, Selvin, Jamaal Charles, Ogbannaya...

It was always conservative and easy to figure out, but he put in wrinkles and tweaks to fit the skill set for all of those guys.

We would have scored 40 if Greg Davis were the OC on Saturday...

 

we'd get pantsed by OU and TCU, but we'd put 40 on everyone else.

Edited September 4, 2018 by Snacks
Case and Ash was HarsinWhite... but whatever.

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

9 minutes ago, Snacks said:

whoa, whoa, whoa... Greg Davis modified the offensive approach for just about every QB and RB combo.  Applewhite, Simms, Mock, VY, Colt, GG, Case, Ash... Priest, Ricky, Brett Robin, Ced, Selvin, Jamaal Charles, Ogbannaya...

It was always conservative and easy to figure out, but he put in wrinkles and tweaks to fit the skill set for all of those guys.

We would have scored 40 if Greg Davis were the OC on Saturday...

 

we'd get pantsed by OU and TCU, but we'd put 40 on everyone else.

I always understood that Mack put a governor on the GDGD offense, but claimed he didn't to protect his buddy. 

[TwiceHorn 31452]

10 minutes ago, Snacks said:

whoa, whoa, whoa... Greg Davis modified the offensive approach for just about every QB and RB combo.  Applewhite, Simms, Mock, VY, Colt, GG, Case, Ash... Priest, Ricky, Brett Robin, Ced, Selvin, Jamaal Charles, Ogbannaya...

It was always conservative and easy to figure out, but he put in wrinkles and tweaks to fit the skill set for all of those guys.

We would have scored 40 if Greg Davis were the OC on Saturday...

 

we'd get pantsed by OU and TCU, but we'd put 40 on everyone else.

Yeah, we scored a fuckload of points under Davis.  Against top competition we fizzled a bit, but I still tend to think that was meddlin Mack.  But Davis' offenses tended to be light years ahead of what we've had.  And I think just about everyone agrees he was an above-average QB coach.