Tom "the turtle" Herman [Lame Duck or greatest 5d chess player ever?]

[TwiceHorn 32014]

6 minutes ago, Coach pop a bitch said:

I agree. Herman and CO had a good game plan but became a but too conservative. Normally I'm all for running the rock and killing the clock but ousux secondary had no answers for our 2 wide outs. 

Yeah, our offense clearly is a delicate thing.  You can't just change "direction,"  because conventional wisdom says that's what you do.  And especially when you are facing as potent an offense as OU.  RIley is a brilliant playcaller and he nearly pantsed Orlando in the fourth.  Hell, he did pants him.

One of our biggest defensive weapons was TOP, and we squandered that in the 4th.

Edited October 6, 2018 by TwiceHorn

[BurntOrangeSatire, LLC 157]

Just now, Slade said:

We were doing fine until the penalties in the 4th, running it down their throat. I only had a problem with a couple of the play calls when we were trying to milk the clock. Last year we lose this game, guys were stepping up and made plays. 

We whipped their ass for the majority of the game, really wish we could have blown them out by 20+. The last time we blew a Dirt Burglar team out from wire to wire was 2005 but fuck it we won (and Murray cried) I'll take it, next game up. 

Penalty wise, t's clear OU told their corner to rape CJ and LJH to make them call the penalty. We should have gone after that more, result notwithstanding. That first jump ball to Collin I yelled do that all day. Having those two out there is one thing but simply throwing to them opens up the running game both for Sam and the RBs. 

[Vic Mackey 47862]

1 minute ago, BurntOrangeSatire, LLC said:

I was saying the whole game that we weren't going to keep them out of the endzone, we just have to keep scoring. Low and behold we were doing both. 4th quarter rolls around and the offense was unrecognizable, defense starts getting tired, OU starts clawing back at us. We started to play not to lose rather than playing to win. That's an ingredient is this recipe that has been Texas football. It was like watching us go back out on O and the whole dynamic was, "Now what?". It's OU for fuck's sake. Break their fucking neck when we have the boot heel right there. 

Yep. We were headed to give OU their own Black Saturday. We were up 45-24 and got the ball. Then our offense aborts what has been working and went to try and run clock. It almost spelled disaster. What we did on that last drive to win the game, we could have did on every single one of those drives where we went into a shell. I so wanted to put 60 on those meth Okie fucks. Either way, we got the win!

[Tired Horn 829]

It wasn't just the playcalling. We got sloppy, killing two of our last potential drives with holding penalties.

Still, I'll gladly take the win.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10765]

3 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

I don't buy into the law of averages stuff in a game like today. 7 of 8 possessions is not some fluke run. There are games when the opposing defense has zero answer. This was one of those games. We did whatever we wanted. We were more physical at every position. 10min is too much time to be worrying about the clock. Just keep doing what you are doing and we get to 60 with ease and Murray becomes irrelevant because there is nothing he can do about our offense scoring.

Now if we are up 21 with say 5min to go, then sure, start running clock. 10min is an eternity in college football, especially with one of the best offenses in the country on the other side.

We were only up because Murray turned it over twice. He doesn't do that and we are likely tied or trailing. I see you point but the shit Herman would have taken from everyone if he didn't use the clock as the advantage it was would have been unrelenting. 

[Tired of Lurking 637]

Yeah, we didn't play that good on the 4th but I am just proud of this team for finishing it up with a gamewinner. If they can score at will like this the rest of the season (and I don't think any defense we still have to play is any good), we will learn how to keep these 24 point leads without having a scare. The important thing is that we won. We won a game that nobody picked us to win. Let's celebrate, let's rewatch it tomorrow in lieu of shitty NFL games, and hope that these guys get back to work without any big game hangovers. 

We aren't playing another quarterback like Murray again this season. I definitely think our defense can stop the prolific passing offenses of OSU/TT/WV by making them one dimensional. OU's offense is a different beast. 

[BurntOrangeSatire, LLC 157]

Just now, Vic Mackey said:

Yep. We were headed to give OU their own Black Saturday. We were up 45-24 and got the ball. Then our offense aborts what has been working and went to try and run clock. It almost spelled disaster. What we did on that last drive to win the game, we could have did on every single one of those drives where we went into a shell. I so wanted to put 60 on those meth Okie fucks. Either way, we got the win!

That's what we were doing the whole fucking game. Why does it take the threat of a potential mythological meltdown for us to realize that playing that way the whole fucking game is what we did when we were dominating and what we need to be doing if we want to dominate again. 

Again, I really, really, really don't want to poopoo this win. I'm just tired of throwing away my boxers after games like this. 

[TwiceHorn 32014]

A huge irony is that by going to an "offense" that minimized the opportunity for Sam to make mistakes, we wound up putting him under incredible pressure in that last drive. 

I think I did agree with not throwing to the middle toward the end and in the last drive, even if it stopped the clock at times.

[Magus Ossis 2997]

Hopefully we learn about the things that didn’t (but nearly) cost us the game in the 4th. What better way to learn how to to be better than by winning against OU?

[Vic Mackey 47862]

Just now, MonkeyDoughnut said:

We were only up because Murray turned it over twice. He doesn't do that and we are likely tied or trailing. I see you point but the shit Herman would have taken from everyone if he didn't use the clock as the advantage it was would have been unrelenting. 

But you can still be aggressive and run clock at the same time. By doing what we did all game. Keep driving the ball. You move the chains, run clock. Win/win. It's like in basketball when teams try and start playing to run clock, their offense bogs down and the other team makes a run.

And yes, we had no real answer for their offense either besides those turnovers. Even more reason to keep stepping on their throat for the kill. We had the ball up 21. We go down and score one more time, that's game. 

But we got the win so all is good for me. Just hope he remembers this for next time we are in this position. 

[hookem48 4808]

2 minutes ago, Tired of Lurking said:

Yeah, we didn't play that good on the 4th but I am just proud of this team for finishing it up with a gamewinner. If they can score at will like this the rest of the season (and I don't think any defense we still have to play is any good), we will learn how to keep these 24 point leads without having a scare. The important thing is that we won. We won a game that nobody picked us to win. Let's celebrate, let's rewatch it tomorrow in lieu of shitty NFL games, and hope that these guys get back to work without any big game hangovers. 

We aren't playing another quarterback like Murray again this season. I definitely think our defense can stop the prolific passing offenses of OSU/TT/WV by making them one dimensional. OU's offense is a different beast. 

it's like no one knows there's a Big 12 Championship game this year.

[Tired of Lurking 637]

Hoping OU loses again so we don't have to play them in the CCG. Would rather play TCU or WVU twice.

[Vic Mackey 47862]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrangeSatire, LLC said:

That's what we were doing the whole fucking game. Why does it take the threat of a potential mythological meltdown for us to realize that playing that way the whole fucking game is what we did when we were dominating and what we need to be doing if we want to dominate again. 

Again, I really, really, really don't want to poopoo this win. I'm just tired of throwing away my boxers after games like this. 

I think this is the correct thread to make these criticisms. Losing today would have been fucking humiliating. I think the second OU scored so quick to cut it to 14, Herman should have scrapped that conservative mentality  and we right back to work on offense. OU today had no answer at all. Their defense is soft as fuck. 

[Vic Mackey 47862]

Just now, Tired of Lurking said:

Hoping OU loses again so we don't have to play them in the CCG. Would rather play TCU or WVU twice.

Still have no idea why a round robin conference of 10 has a conference championship game. So fucking dumb if we have to play OU again. We should never ever play OU twice in a season. It would be weird to play them at Jerry World. 

[Rimbo 26871]

I'm always glad when we win. I'm ecstatic when we beat OU.

I'm going to remain skeptical. This team doesn't play to a standard. Even Kansas and Baylor are threats if you play up and down to your competition.

 

[GreenspointTexas 9933]

Play calling in the 4th was an abomination. Play calling on 3rd downs was atrocious. We could/should have beat OU by 4-5 TDs.

 

passing on 3rd and 2 is fucking hilarious. Shovel pass even worse.

 

we won, but goddamn our offense is a mess. We need a real fucking play caller. And herman needs to pull his head out his ass and quit getting cute. We almost had the worst collapse in school history because herman went full pussy

[Tired of Lurking 637]

You're a POS.

[GHOSTUSER 361]

2 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Play calling in the 4th was an abomination. Play calling on 3rd downs was atrocious. We could/should have beat OU by 4-5 TDs.

 

passing on 3rd and 2 is fucking hilarious. Shovel pass even worse.

 

we won, but goddamn our offense is a mess. We need a real fucking play caller. And herman needs to pull his head out his ass and quit getting cute. We almost had the worst collapse in school history because herman went full pussy

Dude go fuck yourself. The playcalling was excellent almost all game long.

[TheFlyingBoat 913]

2 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Play calling in the 4th was an abomination. Play calling on 3rd downs was atrocious. We could/should have beat OU by 4-5 TDs.

 

passing on 3rd and 2 is fucking hilarious. Shovel pass even worse.

 

we won, but goddamn our offense is a mess. We need a real fucking play caller. And herman needs to pull his head out his ass and quit getting cute. We almost had the worst collapse in school history because herman went full pussy

You were a retard on Shaggy and you're still one here. EABOD bitch.

[BurntOrangeSatire, LLC 157]

Just now, Vic Mackey said:

I think this is the correct thread to make these criticisms. Losing today would have been fucking humiliating. I think the second OU scored so quick to cut it to 14, Herman should have scrapped that conservative mentality  and we right back to work on offense. OU today had no answer at all. Their defense is soft as fuck. 

On the flip side, while we're parsing this in this unfortunate thread after a win against OUsux... it's a big decision to allow your sophomore QB who has made some soul crushing TOs, albeit as a freshman, to keep slinging the football around. When the context is we're up by that much against a ranked OU squad. Verge of the biggest win in almost a decade. Defense is playing well. OU looks gassed. And those TOs are in the back of your mind. I can see where the decision to go conservative on offense would manifest. However, we make conservative football look like some form of under water BB stacking competition. 

 

What bothers me is that we were fucking rolling. Why not roll with it till the clock hits 0s. IF your sophomore QB manages to cough a TO like he did as a freshman, then you deal with it. At the very least the rest of the offense is still feeding off the energy from the last 3 quarters. Snipping the balls, literally and figuratively,  off the offense in the 4th nearly cost us. I hope we learn from that. 

[Lhorn 5080]

1 minute ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Dude go fuck yourself. The playcalling was excellent almost all game long.

Yeah, they got conservative at the end, but the holding calls didn't help.  Other than that, the offensive play calling was pretty damn money.  Players made them look good by executing really well. 

[BurntOrangeSatire, LLC 157]

4 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Play calling in the 4th was an abomination. Play calling on 3rd downs was atrocious. We could/should have beat OU by 4-5 TDs.

 

passing on 3rd and 2 is fucking hilarious. Shovel pass even worse.

 

we won, but goddamn our offense is a mess. We need a real fucking play caller. And herman needs to pull his head out his ass and quit getting cute. We almost had the worst collapse in school history because herman went full pussy

Aw man... we were doing so well and had discourse...

[GreenspointTexas 9933]

We run the ball the entire 4th quarter, OU doesnt even get closer than 14 points

 

we dont even have to rely on a freshman kicker

[BurntOrangeSatire, LLC 157]

[Vertigo 20484]

15 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Play calling in the 4th was an abomination. Play calling on 3rd downs was atrocious. We could/should have beat OU by 4-5 TDs.

 

passing on 3rd and 2 is fucking hilarious. Shovel pass even worse.

 

we won, but goddamn our offense is a mess. We need a real fucking play caller. And herman needs to pull his head out his ass and quit getting cute. We almost had the worst collapse in school history because herman went full pussy

This was the best game Beck/Herman have called on offense since they have been here. Two or three questionable calls late, but otherwise they were nails. Not sure what game you were watching.

[Spankytoes 1748]

36 minutes ago, Tired of Lurking said:

Hoping OU loses again so we don't have to play them in the CCG. Would rather play TCU or WVU twice.

Nope. Bring on the methheads again!

[bschoolprof 6340]

I’m sorry for everything I said when I was angry Tom. 

[MrPhlegm 3413]

Zardoz not allowed here. Moose out front should've told you.

How about this

[Rimbo 26871]

that'll do

[Cuernavaca 255]

I was talking shit after the Tulsa game but I was just really hammered. Feels much better tonight after the same type of scare. Battered fan syndrome has been a bitch since the Iowa State loss in 2010.

[Treefidy 1504]

6 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

But why change up? That killed our momentum and damn near cost us the game. Just keep being aggressive. I disagree. You beat OU by doing what we did. Score and score often. We scored on 7 of our first 8 possessions. Doesn't matter what Murray does if we keep scoring on our side. We went into a shell and it went to shit. 

I agree.  The guy behind me was going nuts about us giving up a 21pt lead.  i told him the good news was there wasn't much time left and with it now tied we couldn't keep playing not to lose, we had to go back to playing to win.  

Playing to win got us that far, they really didn't have an answer for what we were doing.  i really was hoping we would just keep stepping on the threat and punching them in the gut until they gave up the way their fans did at the beginning of the 4th exodus.  59 would have been sweet.  We truly dominated them for 3/4 of the game.

All together it was an amazing win.  The defense played great for some of the game, not so great for other parts.  Surprisingly it was the offense that impressed the most today. 

[BigOrange1 6611]

On 9/23/2018 at 2:07 AM, BigOrange1 said:

i think herman just might be the guy.  he's definitely had some mis-steps, but things are trending in the most positive direction they have for texas in a really long time.  

yep.  herman is the guy.  kill this thread.

[Ricky Butler 2791]

4 minutes ago, BigOrange1 said:

yep.  herman is the guy.  kill this thread.

So many blowhards we’ve had to deal with sniffing their own farts all offseason....

[Tex Long 4626]

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[Machinator 32102]

The offensive coaching staff had one bad possession. The other bad possession should be blamed on the offensive line  for committing clear and obvious penalties.

Edited October 7, 2018 by Machinator

[jimmyjazz 46998]

7 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, our offense clearly is a delicate thing.  You can't just change "direction,"  because conventional wisdom says that's what you do.  And especially when you are facing as potent an offense as OU.  RIley is a brilliant playcaller and he nearly pantsed Orlando in the fourth.  Hell, he did pants him.

One of our biggest defensive weapons was TOP, and we squandered that in the 4th.

The obvious answer is "don't change until it stops working".  We got clever and almost gave the game away.  I'm thrilled with the victory but not at all thrilled by the fact that we took an offense that was beating the shit out of the Sooners and let up.  That shows a lack of judgement.  I get it, we won, but it shouldn't have been that close.  Regardless, great win, move on.

[gsoda3 3359]

Running the ball in the fourth doesn't bother me. Running the ball without misdirection like we've been doing all game which OU can't stop, bothers me. And then throwing the ball on the last second down of the game is stupid, when if you run the ball you can send the clock Down to two seconds to kick the fg and kick it with time expiring. We won and I'm happy about that but there wasn't much to appreciate from the coaching circus in the fourth.

[ztejas 44114]

I love this site. We beat #7 OU and hang the 3rd most points in program history against a top 10 opponent and somehow we need to bitch about the coaching. 

[PilotsError 2338]

9 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Your up 21.... I'd be pissed if he wasn't conservative

Well then you're a fucking moron.

[gsoda3 3359]

I love this site. We beat #7 OU and hang the 3rd most points in program history against a top 10 opponent and somehow we need to bitch about the coaching. 

It's the difference between playing to an opponent's level vs playing to a standard.

[Irish Wrist Watch 1472]

What the hell were we thinking. We should have gone into hurry up no-huddle mode in trying to run out the clock with a 21 pt lead. Seems Charlie Strong tried that (with disastrous results, as I recall.)

[GreenspointTexas 9933]

5 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

Running the ball in the fourth doesn't bother me. Running the ball without misdirection like we've been doing all game which OU can't stop, bothers me. And then throwing the ball on the last second down of the game is stupid, when if you run the ball you can send the clock Down to two seconds to kick the fg and kick it with time expiring. We won and I'm happy about that but there wasn't much to appreciate from the coaching circus in the fourth.

Dont u dare be realistic on here, bitch! We played perfectly! Negged

- surly

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

5 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

Running the ball in the fourth doesn't bother me. Running the ball without misdirection like we've been doing all game which OU can't stop, bothers me. And then throwing the ball on the last second down of the game is stupid, when if you run the ball you can send the clock Down to two seconds to kick the fg and kick it with time expiring. We won and I'm happy about that but there wasn't much to appreciate from the coaching circus in the fourth.

We had every right to get beat two weeks in a row because Tom keeps applying axioms from other conferences to this one. It’s a far cry from having Indiana 21 down and OU 21 down.  

He needs to learn and grow from this. 

[TwiceHorn 32014]

14 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Saw this posted elsewhere:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/oklahoma-vs-texas-score-no-19-longhorns-upset-no-7-sooners-arrive-in-big-12-title-race/

Tommy Boy is a very bad front runner, as exhibited today.  He's still got things to prove.

Bahahaha. Icono negged me for this. 

[The Earl of Texas 3211]

This team doesn’t have near the talent it should, especially on the lines, and Tom & Co. are still making it happen (against better personnel in TCU & OU, too).

Sure, play calling when leading was overly aggressive but if it would’ve worked we would’ve dropped 50 or 60 on OU, which we all want badly after years of those fuckers doing that to us under Mack. It backfired, but going for the throat is an acceptable strategy.

Enjoy the win, and let’s see what Herman can continue to do. But stop being little bitches about every little talking point. Herman’s not perfect but this is WAY fucking better than losing to Kansas, botching coin flips, and failing to recruit guys who can kick through the uprights.

Edited October 7, 2018 by The Earl of Texas

[mdmost 43859]

I wasn't thrilled with 4th quarter but what lost us the lead is stuff that can be cleaned up. We still haven't played a complete game. Yesterday was almost that after the 1st OU score. The 2nd and 3rd were complete dominations of an opponent. When we finally get all 4 quarters from this team, watch out. 

[Tex Pete 21395]

On 10/5/2018 at 6:06 PM, Llogg said:

Go fuck yourself you ignorant cum stain.

You still on your period? Did you cry yesterday?

[Tex Pete 21395]

15 hours ago, BigHorn'13 said:

Yeah Herman being conservative is not what caused 21 points to go on the board. Defense must've been bottle popping when the 4th started. 

The whole team let up because they thought it was in the bag. In case you didn’t notice the defense playing two-hand touch in the 4th. That was OU playing hard and us not. Thankfully, we eked it out. Always stay on the gas!

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 minute ago, Tex Pete said:

The whole team let up because they thought it was in the bag. In case you didn’t notice the defense playing two-hand touch in the 4th. That was OU playing hard and us not. Thankfully, we eked it out. Always stay on the gas!

Yesterday was such a big win, and I didn’t want to piss in everybody’s Cheerios, but watching the defense just flat out quit in the 4th quarter was incredibly frustrating.

[Deej 77680]

6 hours ago, ztejas said:

I love this site. We beat #7 OU and hang the 3rd most points in program history against a top 10 opponent and somehow we need to bitch about the coaching. 

Well, we ain't Surly for nothing.