Tom "the turtle" Herman [Lame Duck or greatest 5d chess player ever?]

[Rockethorn1978 6,061]

43 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Baylor 40

Kansas 0

We needed a game ending FG at home to beat Kansas. 

Yea we did cuz winning is really really hard 

[runthebone 7,933]

7 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Just want to re-iterate that letting this guy re-build his staff after year 3 instead of hiring Urban is a massive mistake.

Agree

[maninblack 7,974]

Not many people here but imagine watching Baylor demolish Kansas and still defending Herman

[mdmost 42,870]

I see we've entered the acceptance phase. 

[ConferenceRoom 6,130]

Strangers with this kind of honesty make me go a big, rubbery one.

[Loch Ness Monster 3,533]

8 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Just want to re-iterate that letting this guy re-build his staff after year 3 instead of hiring Urban is a massive mistake.

Yep. No brainer move if you care about winning.

[dcar00 14,036]

20 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Go back and you'll find a bunch of Yay Herman after the last minute victory over KU. It is pretty fucking astounding.

that was the game I knew he was done.  KU came in with grass eater and a brand new OC 2 weeks in and Orlando had no fucking idea what to do and never adjusted at all throughout the game.

that said, the transitive property in college football is dangerous.  Baylor loses to Tech at Baylor if not for some ridiculously poor officiating.  we pounded Tech(after our usual 1Q shitshow on D).

we are just watching the sand drain through the hourglass for the next 2 years.

[BurntOrangeSatire, LLC 157]

25 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I see we've entered the acceptance phase. 

[ApocalypseTexas 297]

I will plant my flag in the camp of let’s see what changes Herman makes and how he handles the areas of weakness.  Calling for him to be fired at this point is way over reacting in my opinion. 

 

 

[ckhorn 208]

36 minutes ago, ApocalypseTexas said:

I will plant my flag in the camp of let’s see what changes Herman makes and how he handles the areas of weakness.  Calling for him to be fired at this point is way over reacting in my opinion. 

 

 

Over reacting. Guess you haven't been watching this team over the last two months. I know Herman is a fairly young coach, but have you seen any growth with this team this year or specifically with the head coach.

Lets not keep repeating history. About ten years ago we had a chance to move to a generational type coach, but Mack fucked that up. We owe Herman nothing at this time to have another chance to hire another great coach. Just think what Meyer could accomplish here over the next 10 years. We would not only keep the best players in Texas, but across the country. You would be looking at a top 2 type class every year. No, lets just sit on our fucking hands again and watch him go to USC. Also, A&M and LSU are going to pretty tough to deal with over the next several years on the recruiting trail.

[mdmost 42,870]

Actually, USC is probably keeping Helton since he actually got them to 9-4 with a 3rd string QB so we probably aren't "losing" Urban to them. 

[Luka Skywalker 152]

53 minutes ago, ApocalypseTexas said:

I will plant my flag in the camp of let’s see what changes Herman makes and how he handles the areas of weakness.  Calling for him to be fired at this point is way over reacting in my opinion. 

 

 

Ok. Cool. Hook ‘Em!

[TreatyOak 16,160]

[ckhorn 208]

4 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Actually, USC is probably keeping Helton since he actually got them to 9-4 with a 3rd string QB so we probably aren't "losing" Urban to them. 

Hey, lets not take that chance. That is the type of attitude we need to move on from. We are the University of Texas. Lets fucking at like it for a change.

[LurkingHorn 1,058]

Maybe someone can enlighten me but I just don’t see any downside to firing Herman if UM is willing to come here. Do we really believe Meyer is going to pull a bunch of Shananigans that Herman isn’t willing to do as well? Let’s not pretend we have some moral upside by keeping TH. 

[mdmost 42,870]

1 minute ago, ckhorn said:

Hey, lets not take that chance. That is the type of attitude we need to move on from. We are the University of Texas. Lets fucking at like it for a change.

I love this shit. Unless you're a high money donor who has the ear of the powers that be, no one gives a shit what you think or who you want as HFBC. 

[ApocalypseTexas 297]

10 minutes ago, ckhorn said:

Over reacting. Guess you haven't been watching this team over the last two months. I know Herman is a fairly young coach, but have you seen any growth with this team this year or specifically with the head coach.

Lets not keep repeating history. About ten years ago we had a chance to move to a generational type coach, but Mack fucked that up. We owe Herman nothing at this time to have another chance to hire another great coach. Just think what Meyer could accomplish here over the next 10 years. We would not only keep the best players in Texas, but across the country. You would be looking at a top 2 type class every year. No, lets just sit on our fucking hands again and watch him go to USC. Also, A&M and LSU are going to pretty tough to deal with over the next several years on the recruiting trail.

So what if we don’t get Myer
You write that like we are making a choice between Myer and Herman. 
10 years ago which generational coach did TEXAS pass on?

[T’Boo Ted Marshall 2,725]

I think Meyer will still be available next year. He’s only going to take a select few jobs at this point and Texas would be one of them. It’s not open this year but if Tom doesn’t improve significantly next year I think CDC pulls the trigger.

[ckhorn 208]

21 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I love this shit. Unless you're a high money donor who has the ear of the powers that be, no one gives a shit what you think or who you want as HFBC. 

I guess you are on the the Herman train. Lets say he stays for another year and somewhat cleans house. Theoretically we win 9-10 games next year. Do we still keep Herman? Yes. There goes your chance at Meyer and we keep a sub-par coach. We can and should do better.

Hopefully we have some high money donors in the the powers that be ears, other than me😁

[crum 524]

i've had the chance to talk to and hear cdc a few times, he is against the movement for shorter leashes of 3 years for coaches and believes ~5 years is what it takes to evaluate a coach's effectiveness. 

[USMCHorn 1,369]

1 minute ago, crum said:

i've had the chance to talk to and hear cdc a few times, he is against the movement for shorter leashes of 3 years for coaches and believes ~5 years is what it takes to evaluate a coach's effectiveness. 

5 years? At Texas? Yeah, I’m pretty sure we’ll be looking for a new AD if Tom delivers another 2 years of 7-5.

[nunna yo bizness 1,687]

1 hour ago, crum said:

i've had the chance to talk to and hear cdc a few times, he is against the movement for shorter leashes of 3 years for coaches and believes ~5 years is what it takes to evaluate a coach's effectiveness. 

That's all well and good, but if you pass on the chance for a homerun like Meyer due to some slavish loyalty to a 5 year quota, then you damn sure better have a new homerun hire identified and ready to come in at that point or CDC should expect for his ass to be next out the door.

You should never be so inflexible in your strategy that you fail to accept a lucky break when handed to you just because it isn't what you had planned.

[MrPhlegm 3,413]

Hey, lets not take that chance. That is the type of attitude we need to move on from. We are the University of Texas. Lets fucking at like it for a change.

at like it?

wtf does that mean?

[closetohumping 17,408]

11 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

You defended Strong up until he was fired and didn't even want him fired yet his best season is Herman's worst season...Hmmm....

A lot of the hate for Herm is from the Charlie fanboys.  They're out there.

[John Smith2 127]

fyar mack brown

fyar charlie stong

fyar tom herman 

 

 

maybe the texas program ain't that good? Gameday crew alluded to this....

[dcar00 14,036]

11 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Just want to re-iterate that letting this guy re-build his staff after year 3 instead of hiring Urban is a massive mistake.

of course it is but then how would you get "stability".  I say 2 coaches, maybe 3, get fired because firing half your staff doesn't show stability but firing a couple is just improving on what is there.

CDC is going to fly this plane into the ground.

[dcar00 14,036]

1 hour ago, crum said:

i've had the chance to talk to and hear cdc a few times, he is against the movement for shorter leashes of 3 years for coaches and believes ~5 years is what it takes to evaluate a coach's effectiveness. 

doesn't surprise me in the least. the same old Texas. our last 4 hirings in the big 3 have been so Texas.  we got Augie because Dodds called him to ask about other coaches and he said "what about me?"  we were going to go for a Pierce type again.   Pierce made the CWS but I maintain it was all Kody Clemens "Brooks Keischnick" impression.  

We'll never know if a BMD(CDC wouldn't for deniability) reached out to UM's agent but I find it unlikely.  CDC is "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".  Its unfortunate.

[nunna yo bizness 1,687]

20 minutes ago, John Smith2 said:

fyar mack brown

fyar charlie stong

fyar tom herman 

 

 

maybe the texas program ain't that good? Gameday crew alluded to this....

Maybe Alabama just wasn't that good when they wanted to fire Shula to get Saban, after a string of failed coaches.  Yeah, the fans of that program just need to accept their mediocrity cause they'll never be great again.

Oh wait....

Edited December 1, 2019 by nunna yo bizness

[Spawn of Cthulhu 2,241]

Sadly, I think the Brit with the narwhal tusk and his buddy with the fire extinguisher could've probably gotten us to 9 wins this year. You know they wouldn't have gone fetal.

[UTEX_ME 4,754]

hey when all the dust settled, we win a 4 way tie for 3rd place in the big 12! 

[nunna yo bizness 1,687]

17 minutes ago, UTEX_ME said:

hey when all the dust settled, we win a 4 way tie for 3rd place in the big 12! 

Fuck the Big12 that a team as shitty as us could somehow end up in 3rd place.

[hornhorn 100]

6 minutes ago, nunna yo bizness said:

Fuck the Big12 that a team as shitty as us could somehow end up in 3rd place.

Calm your tits, its a 4 way tie so its as easy as being in the 3rd place or even seventh place out of ten. And that for a school with the largest athletic budget in the world.

[mdmost 42,870]

3 hours ago, ckhorn said:

I guess you are on the the Herman train. Lets say he stays for another year and somewhat cleans house. Theoretically we win 9-10 games next year. Do we still keep Herman? Yes. There goes your chance at Meyer and we keep a sub-par coach. We can and should do better.

Hopefully we have some high money donors in the the powers that be ears, other than me😁

No, I'm on the reality train. He's not getting fired. Had he lost to Kansas and Tech then he would be out. He's getting a layup year. That's how things shake out when you have a buyout as large as his. Do I think he should or think it's right, not really. But I've come to accept the way Texas works as how it is versus how I wish it to be.

Edited December 1, 2019 by mdmost

[Gigglebush 107]

The Meyer train is more laughable than the steal Saban train.

[Valmy77 13,122]

5 hours ago, John Smith2 said:

fyar mack brown

fyar charlie stong

fyar tom herman 

 

 

maybe the texas program ain't that good? Gameday crew alluded to this....

What does this even mean? I mean yeah, if you are firing coaches your program probably isn't doing great. 

[petscii 1,189]

7 hours ago, dcar00 said:

doesn't surprise me in the least. the same old Texas. our last 4 hirings in the big 3 have been so Texas.  we got Augie because Dodds called him to ask about other coaches and he said "what about me?"  we were going to go for a Pierce type again.   Pierce made the CWS but I maintain it was all Kody Clemens "Brooks Keischnick" impression.  

We'll never know if a BMD(CDC wouldn't for deniability) reached out to UM's agent but I find it unlikely.  CDC is "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".  Its unfortunate.

Uhm, the story long spun is that Augie was the first and only choice.  

Having said that getting Savage out of UCLA is still my 2nd, 3rd, and 4th choice...

[orangecat92 306]

8 hours ago, dcar00 said:

doesn't surprise me in the least. the same old Texas. our last 4 hirings in the big 3 have been so Texas.  we got Augie because Dodds called him to ask about other coaches and he said "what about me?"  we were going to go for a Pierce type again.   Pierce made the CWS but I maintain it was all Kody Clemens "Brooks Keischnick" impression.  

We'll never know if a BMD(CDC wouldn't for deniability) reached out to UM's agent but I find it unlikely.  CDC is "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".  Its unfortunate.

But that is not what cdc did.  He evaluated herm after 2 years and decided to extend him 2 years.  Do what you say..wait until 5 years are up.  

[Guest Lobo]

9 hours ago, dcar00 said:

doesn't surprise me in the least. the same old Texas. our last 4 hirings in the big 3 have been so Texas.  we got Augie because Dodds called him to ask about other coaches and he said "what about me?"  we were going to go for a Pierce type again.   Pierce made the CWS but I maintain it was all Kody Clemens "Brooks Keischnick" impression.  

We'll never know if a BMD(CDC wouldn't for deniability) reached out to UM's agent but I find it unlikely.  CDC is "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".  Its unfortunate.

That's not how Augie got hired according to Bill Little.   But your point is valid and taken.  

Also---what is now the official party line on Mack?  He technically "resigned", no?  

[satyanash 14,281]

Huh.

 

[Slacks 6,792]

It doesn't sound like the administration has enough trust in Herman to choose a staff, because, you know, he already proved his value there.  If the locker room is a fractured disaster now, imagine if they intervene on his staff selection or outright choose them for him.  That will be Hitler's bunker from the start.  We just recently watched the "reshuffle the staff" strategy with Charlie Strong.  If the rumors about the current levels of strife among the players is true then we already know what 2020 will resemble.  Spoiler Alert:  we just saw this movie and the ending sucked.  Imagine being a coordinator and coming into this situation unaware whether or not you were chosen by the head coach.  Prior to hitting the ground running you'd be tempted to try to get a feel for the nuances within the hierarchy of an already sinking ship and a doomed captain.    

And this is why I don't think there will be much change.

We'll have to go get hungry guys who are getting promotions and a shot to prove they belong. We'll be getting the defensive equivalent of Gilbert and Mattox and tellinng them to keep Giles and whomever... And hope they can get to the ccg or they'll be gone.

We're doomed.... (Unless it works)

[Rockethorn1978 6,061]

8 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Huh.

 

who was the o-line coach before hand? he didn't get fired? this can't be true.

[bschoolprof 6,233]

1 minute ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

who was the o-line coach before hand? he didn't get fired? this can't be true.

no, he got demoted to special teams and TEs, two areas that have been stellar since his reassignment.  

[Bozo_Casanova 26,325]

The Meyer train is more laughable than the steal Saban train.

The guys on the off-airport parking shuttle made it sound like a lock.

[Js1 85,143]

10 hours ago, closetohumping said:

A lot of the hate for Herm is from the Charlie fanboys.  They're out there.

Wrong. The TH hate is because he’s overrated arrogant trash who only cares about his yes men buddies catering to him than winning games. 

[Js1 85,143]

dp 

Edited December 1, 2019 by Js1

[hookem17 485]

23 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Huh.

 

If you know your boss isn’t going to fire you, there’s less incentive to get better. 
 

But what do I know, I’m not in Mensa. 

[dcar00 14,036]

4 hours ago, petscii said:

Uhm, the story long spun is that Augie was the first and only choice.  

Having said that getting Savage out of UCLA is still my 2nd, 3rd, and 4th choice...

I can admit to being wrong, but I thought it was Dodds calling him about coaches and then once we knew he was "available" he was the only choice.

[dcar00 14,036]

2 hours ago, orangecat92 said:

But that is not what cdc did.  He evaluated herm after 2 years and decided to extend him 2 years.  Do what you say..wait until 5 years are up.  

the rumor is the BMD's pushed for it but yes your point is valid.

[dcar00 14,036]

1 hour ago, satyanash said:

Huh.

 

that is my biggest fear.  he's never done this before and now he has to do it under the gun.  

[MissingInAction 24,857]

It's piss, and it will always be piss.

The only reason this team is competitive is Sam. His passion is all that has kept this bullshit afloat, and it makes me sad to see his heart crushed by the incompetence of the sytem that is Texas football.

Edited December 1, 2019 by MissingInAction