Tom "the turtle" Herman [Lame Duck or greatest 5d chess player ever?]

[Saint Tacky 1647]

27 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

They’re both dog shit. 

They're not our standard; however, we draw closer to theirs as each season passes.

[ztejas 44114]

11 minutes ago, Longboard Horn said:

 

 

Once again, Patterson walks on water at TCU and isn't going anywhere. He has practically reached Joe Pa status and can leave whenever he wants, but he won't leave TCU. 

I would seriously consider quitting cheering for this program if they hired Patterson.

Edited October 6, 2020 by ztejas

[ztejas 44114]

Here's a fun thought: what if the Cardinals fuck up the rest of their season?

[UTEX_ME 4257]

TCU will go 5-5. That's the part that will suck ass 

[ztejas 44114]

Just now, UTEX_ME said:

TCU will go 5-5. That's the part that will suck ass 

There's that too. I'm not sure Patterson is a great coach anymore.

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2649]

Yeah, Patterson might own us, but he isn’t exactly setting the b12 on fire. 

[BurntOrange&White 41646]

[closetohumping 17776]

1 hour ago, Bevo VIII said:

You know what separates the two? A last minute kick vs Kansas. 

And three bowl wins.  And 9 games in the win/loss column.  Not apologizing for Tom, but let's be honest here.

[Guest Lobo]

9 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I gotta stop forgetting my socks.  I could have sworn I wasn't Lobo, but here I am posting my thoughts under that account.

If I copied something else you said upthread, my bad.  I’m a lot of bad things but I’m not know for plagiarism. 

[Eggo 4026]

"Beyond that brief overview and out of respect for those involved, we will not air further details about the search, but what is important is in the end we got our man, and that man is the hottest coach in college football today, and he is here to lead the Longhorns."

 Greg Fenves, 11/27/2016

Man, I believed that was true at the time. 

[Longboard Horn 41316]

54 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I would seriously consider quitting cheering for this program if they hired Patterson.

Alma Mater checks out. #PonyUp

[futureman 22664]

gary patterson would never leave TCU to coach at texas.  that is the dumbest possibility listed in this thread. 

[Tex Long 4613]

Inability to adjust a failing game plan ties Charlie and #MensaTom together. Ability to create a game plan in the first place separates them. Doesn't matter, both shitty.

[ztejas 44114]

4 minutes ago, futureman said:

that is the dumbest possibility listed in this thread. 

Idk man. You confident in that? We're talking about over 8,000* posts here. 

Edited October 6, 2020 by ztejas

[ruitxn 299]

1 hour ago, Burt Macklin said:

Herman is very clearly better than Strong even though he needs to go. 

Chicken livers are better than beef liver, I guarantee!

[BradInATX 9208]

2 hours ago, Burt Macklin said:

Again, this is an idiotic way to try to boil things down. Herman is 27-16 at Texas, 18-11 in conference with a Sugar Bowl win. Strong was 16-21, 12-15 in conference and never finished above .500.

Herman is very clearly better than Strong even though he needs to go. 

Tom Herman is exactly one Sam Ehlinger better than Charlie.

[Burt Macklin 19209]

Y’all have the memories of a fish in this thread. Charlie Strong was way worse than Herman. It’s not close. Messing up the coin toss, 3 extra points blocked in one game,  59 total yards in a bowl game and then keeping that OC. Herman’s not a good coach because his teams are wildly inconsistent. Strong was consistently terrible. 
 

Not that it really matters because they’re both guys who couldn’t cut it at Texas, but people saying they’re equal as coaches are showing some serious recency bias. 

[BurntOrange&White 41646]

Herman had to be forced to get rid of his friends. 
 

herman hired Casey horny. 

Edited October 6, 2020 by Bevo VIII

[J.R. Juniors Junior Jr. 1108]

2 hours ago, 6th Street said:

We will need to go 5-5, which is very possible with OU, Baylor, ISU, and KSU, Ok State, and WV left on the schedule. 

This is begging for the classic Thujone "Murderer's Row" cartoon

[dcar00 14899]

9 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Herman is fucking terrible, but he's on a level similar to many others that still have a job at Also Ran University.

Strong is in his own classification of ineptitude. Think Jeff Fischer, John Blake level of suck.

That we followed up such a terrible hire with such a bad one should really speak volumes about our athletics department.

He's kevin sumlin

[J.R. Juniors Junior Jr. 1108]

3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

He's kevin sumlin

without the 'rona, at least for now.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2912109-arizona-hc-kevin-sumlin-tests-positive-for-covid-19-will-work-virtually

[UTEX_ME 4257]

15 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

He's kevin sumlin

If only Herman could give us this classic

[Guest Lobo]

30 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

No, no...

Its impossible to fool these people with this shenanigan. They've probably figured out you're my sock, or I'm yours.

Wait.. wut.

Basically it was my joke about how your thoughts echo mine on the topic.

How is it my sock doesn't get my comedy. If anyone did, I figured it was me.

So wait...it's time for someone to put their socked foot down...and that socked foot...is you?  

[NoName 17105]

3 hours ago, Nueces River Rat said:

Not sure about that.   Coaching a complete game is a rare occurrence under Tom and more so apparent in games we SHOULD win like the last one.    But connecting with the players is indeed a big one starting with him not at least attempting to go ape shit on the sidelines when the officials have an agenda like they did against TCU.  It's possible if Tom would have  gone off on those clowns early in that game, we'd be 3-0 right now and this discussion would be just quite noise if at all.  The players might have snapped out of their funk earlier and responded.  

The Charlie 2.0 is more along the lines of we got caught chasing the name of the coach the media and others said was THE next best coach to hire.  Charlie was very much that type although we did try at least informally to lure others before we opted for Charlie.    

I get where you are coming from but you are forgetting the brain farts that happened damn near every game with Charlie.

If you think Charlie + his coaches coached a better game than Tom + his coaches you should go back and watch some of them because that's wrong.

IIRC, Strong was not a first choice.

Herman very clearly was.

 

 

 

(We in this case)

Edited October 6, 2020 by NoName

[closetohumping 17776]

Herman hasn't performed well here and I'm not sure he's good enough for this job, in fact, he wasn't when hired.  But, he is a level or two above Charlie.  Now, Charlie may be a bit more likable, but he was awful here.

[6th Street 6651]

This Strong vs Herman is an unnecessary message board argument. We should all agree they both suck ass and move on

[TejasPedro 1911]

This is what we have become, arguing over which one of our shitbirds was the worst. 
You wanna know which one of these assholes is the worst look in the trophy case and look at the record book. When you are done with that look at how players are not being developed. Which one has lost ground on our Brand and national prominence? Who gives a shit who the worst is. Can we hire the best available person. This whole AD job is so overwhelmingly Hard. Evaluating your employees is so Hard. Simple way to look at this issue. Does anyone else want your Head coach? Is anyone sniffing around the program trying to poach your assistants if the answer is hell no, we got the wrong people.

[thunderlounge 8318]

50 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Herman hasn't performed well here and I'm not sure he's good enough for this job, in fact, he wasn't when hired.  But, he is a level or two above Charlie.  Now, Charlie may be a bit more likable, but he was awful here.

Absolutely. It isn’t personal, just business.

We may like you personally, but the results mean it’s time to quit fucking around. It’s

been a fucking decade plus, and no end in sight. Tech was luck. We should be 1-2. 

[ztejas 44114]

17 minutes ago, thunderlounge said:

We should be 1-2. 

No. We should be 3-0. That's why he needs to go.

[TreatyOak 17194]

[Jkwellborn 7006]

The difference between this dickhead and Strong is the qb situation.

[Nueces River Rat 5733]

3 hours ago, NoName said:

I get where you are coming from but you are forgetting the brain farts that happened damn near every game with Charlie.

If you think Charlie + his coaches coached a better game than Tom + his coaches you should go back and watch some of them because that's wrong.

IIRC, Strong was not a first choice.

Herman very clearly was.

 

 

 

(We in this case)

They are both F-ups.   Thanks Deloss and the clown from Arizona State---  I forgot his fricken name

 

[mdmost 43848]

[Nueces River Rat 5733]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

Yea... That Mofo.

[ztejas 44114]

19 minutes ago, Nueces River Rat said:

Yea... That Mofo.

His name may or may not be Steve Patterson. If I'm allowed to usher it here.

[TreatyOak 17194]

1 hour ago, Nueces River Rat said:

They are both F-ups.   Thanks Deloss and the clown from Arizona State---  I forgot his fricken name

[tejas60 3542]

greatness

[LTtxfan 49906]

 

Edited October 7, 2020 by LTtxfan

[6th Street 6651]

Of course they're fixable - by Urban Meyer 

[dcar00 14899]

3 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:

The difference between this dickhead and Strong is the qb situation.

I'm all on Herman being gone asap but the difference is not just the QB situation. our entire team was a disaster during strong getting run 20+ on the reg.

[ztejas 44114]

46 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Of course they're fixable - by Urban Meyer 

Urban Meyer... is walking through that door?

[maninblack 7975]

2 hours ago, dcar00 said:

I'm all on Herman being gone asap but the difference is not just the QB situation. our entire team was a disaster during strong getting run 20+ on the reg.

Herman's coaches

[ztejas 44114]

At what point do we just accept that Mack quit carrying Madame Zaroni up the mountain?

[Tex Long 4613]

2 hours ago, ztejas said:

Urban Meyer... is walking through that door?

As soon as the check clears.

[BurntOrange&White 41646]

And so it begins #33 recruit in the nation Billy Bowman decommits. 

[westexhorn 2157]

Fucking gather the BMDs and get them ready to fire Herman to hire Urban.  ONLY way to prevent massive decommitment.

[Not a cat 5804]

1 hour ago, westexhorn said:

Fucking gather the BMDs and get them ready to fire Herman to hire Urban.  ONLY way to prevent massive decommitment.

How does that work in practice?  Do you go to one giant BMD and ask for 25 million, or ask 25 different ones to root around in the couch cushions for a million each?

I'm obviously not a BMD, but I'd believe that with Tom's abrasive personality and dismal performance that every single BMD is sick of his shit.  We've got to have dozens of them, even if the price of crude is low.

Edited October 8, 2020 by Not a cat

[BurntOrange&White 41646]

Just now, Not a cat said:

How does that work in practice?  Do you go to one giant BMD and ask for 25 million, or ask 25 different ones to root around in the couch cushions for a million each?

I'm obviously not a BMD, but I find it hard to believe that with Tom's abrasive personality and dismal performance that every single BMD is sick of his shit.  We've got to have dozens of them, even if the price of crude is low.

You go to the most influential one and plant the seed. 

[Tex Long 4613]

You call Urban first. He's in or he's out. If he's out, you're done.

If he's in, get the price. Call Big Dog 1, tell him Urban's in, we need 25 megabux, how much are you in for?

Call Big Dog 2, tell him Urban's in, we need 25 megabux, how much are you in for?

Repeat until you're done with the Big Dog list.

Call #MensaTom. Tell him, Tom, you're done. Urban needs to wrap up, but he'll be here in a coupla days. You need to set up a presser and announce your resignation. Do it tomorrow, or I will set one up and announce you're fired. I'll take care of the staff. 'Bye.

[Goodman 3280]

2 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

You call Urban first. He's in or he's out. If he's out, you're done.

If he's in, get the price. Call Big Dog 1, tell him Urban's in, we need 25 megabux, how much are you in for?

Call Big Dog 2, tell him Urban's in, we need 25 megabux, how much are you in for?

Repeat until you're done with the Big Dog list.

Call #MensaTom. Tell him, Tom, you're done. Urban needs to wrap up, but he'll be here in a coupla days. You need to set up a presser and announce your resignation. Do it tomorrow, or I will set one up and announce you're fired. I'll take care of the staff. 'Bye.

I'll have a lifetime of respect for CDC if he proved to admit when he was wrong. He talked them away from a replacement 10 months ago, he'd have to eat some crow but it would gain my respect.