Tom "the turtle" Herman [Lame Duck or greatest 5d chess player ever?]

[tbone_ 14,025]

1. Coaching
2. Losing
3. Everything else

Fify

[closetohumping 17,401]

2 minutes ago, Treefidy said:

The only way he gets fired mid-season is Urban says yes, otherwise it’s end of season because coaches aren’t available yet.

if Urban declines and UNC keeps winning, everyone should get a little nervous.  But seriously, I would welcome Mack back for 2021 before I would welcome Mensa back, and that’s saying a lot.   Going 11-1 and losing to OU every year is better than going 7-5 and losing to OU every year.  

Fuck no on Mack.  But he wouldn't come back.

[RGBIII 22,798]

FWIW pretty sure Urban Meyer was the first (or the first big) offer for Quinn Ewers..that has to a play a factor here for both Texas and Urban

[closetohumping 17,401]

1 minute ago, RGBIII said:

FWIW pretty sure Urban Meyer was the first (or the first big) offer for Quinn Ewers..that has to a play a factor here for both Texas and Urban

So you're saying Herman beat Urban h2h?  Well played.

[ztejas 43,266]

18 minutes ago, Sheep Have Wool said:

I've always thought you'd make an excellent aggy.

Not really an opportune time for that comment. 

[UncleBuck 6,446]

Going 11-1 and losing to OU every year is better than going 7-5 and losing to OU every year.  

I don’t want to walk all over your quote here, because I completely understand what you’re saying... but this Longhorns team coached by Mack would have destroyed whatever the fuck OU team that was on Saturday. That team is awful.

Tom’s team literally let them bench their starting QB, then UN-bench him so he could then beat you.

[BurntOrange&White 39,661]

At best we’re 6-4

 

id say more likely 5-5

 

at worst 3-7

[closetojumping 62,247]

I'm in the "he'll figure out a way to weasel into 6-4" camp. Could the team go 3-7? For sure. They almost lost to KU last year and should have lost to Tech this year. Anything can happen with this idiot, but he's got enough talent to be the pussy he craves to be. Simply keep everything close, hope Ehlinger can pull something out at the end or he can sit on a lead until the game is over. 

This team is so brutally undisciplined and committing the same mistakes it's been making during his entire regime, and then that gets coupled with all of his stupid-ass tendencies. It's extremely nauseating and tedious to witness at this point. 

I hope the rumors are true and that him being gone is a done deal. CDC balked at doing anything last year. He better have his shit together right now. 

Just like many others, fuck it, I'll take Urban Meyer. That said, if that turns out to be the fantasy it appears to be, I sure as shit hope they hire someone who can actually fucking coach and outwork opponents from the X's and O's POV above all things. It has been forever and a day since we had that. In fact, I'm not sure I've been alive since it occurred. I was too young to remember Akers before the 1984 Cotton Bowl and, yeah. McWilliams? No. Mackovic? On some level, occasionally, but not really. Mack Brown? Please. Chuckles? Oh fuck. Herman? LOL. Brutal.

[HillaryFan420 121]

7 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Fuck no on Mack.  But he wouldn't come back.

I can just see the announcement on ESPN that reports are circulating that Mack has turned down the Texas job.  lol.

[victory88 5,659]

This arrogant mother fucker really thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and thinks they are losing because of lack of effort and self inflicted wounds.  We gave him a fucking do over.  It was highly suggested to him that we move to the air raid and Graham Harrell had fucking proven that he could take a backup USC QB and an offense that was in much worse shape than Texas and turn it around.  You know what that stupid fuck Tom Herman did?  He did everything possible to make sure that wouldn't happen.  Because if he did, it would be an admission that his "pro spread" offense doesn't work anymore.  Instead, he hired another fucking yes man.  I don't know enough about Yurcich... but I know that he was the first guy in the interview process to say, sure, I'll run your offense... we'll even keep the terminology the same.  

This is THE SAME FUCKING OFFENSE.  It has more slants and vertical routes.  That's about fucking it.

What does he do about the WR position?  He fires his butt buddy Mehringer who destroyed that WR room and legit fucking whiffed on all the interviews.  We fucking settled for Andre Coleman, an analyst.  Andre Coleman had no other job offers.  Andre Coleman who has not proven himself at all with being able to recruit good talent.  Based on the ressults on the field, seems like all of our talented players in Eagles and Smith have CLEARLY regregressed.

On defense, he hired another buddy Chris Ash.  There wasn't even a fucking defensive coaching search.  Legit, he hired his buddy.  Then went on to hire Mark fucking Hagen who was fired at aggy for sucking it up.  What does Mark Hagen bring to Texas?  Recruiting?  Coaching?  What does he bring?  

He should have been fucking fired last year.  No decent coordinators come to jump on board a sinking ship.  This is why yet again, we have a poor fucking staff of coaches that cannot develop or coach compared to our big 12 foes.

....

Now let's talk about player personnel.  This is the same guy that started Garrett fucking Gray and Kyle Porter at the same time.  Now we are seeing it with Cade Brewer and our stupid fucking 11 personnel.  We fucking handicap ourselves.  We're basically playing 10 vs 11.  No fucking defense respects Cade Brewer because he fucking sucks.  He's a below average blocker and a fucking terrible running routes and in space.  We have a huge athletic miss match in Jared Wiley that simply needs to be coached up.  Look at the mismatch Austin Stogner is and what he was able to do against us.  Does anyone have any doubt that Wiley would kill it in Riley's offense?  Instead of running 2 RB sets or 4 WR sets, we insist on running 11 personnel.

Nothing has changed.  Nothing.  We gave this guy a blank fucking check last year.  He's so fucking arrogant, that he took that blank check and hired another set of friends and yes men and changed nothing.  

Fuck you CDC.  Good leaders don't give failures a 2nd opportunity.  You've put our program in worse place than you inherited it.  There is little fan support.  There is no player unity.  Coaches are checked out.  Recruiting is in the fucking toilet.  I'm not sure even Urban can fix the 2021 recruiting class.   We're fighting with Baylor, SMU, and G5 schools for scraps.  

I'm so sick of it.  Fire this asshole and make Ash interim HC.  He's at least been a HC at a power 5 school, even if it was the worst P5 school in the country.  Give Urban whatever he wants.  Start selling the future.  We have to!  There is no other choice.  There is no way to pull us out of this other than a slam dunk hire.  You will not convince elite recruits to come here to play for Matt fucking Campbell or PJ Fleck.  We have to sell something better than LSU, ou, Bama, Clemson, tOSU, aggy.  We've dug ourselves such a hole that we're closer to being Nebraska and Cal Berkley than the current elite schools

Rant over... fuck everything.

[SwanderedTalent 5,761]

First question: does CDC want to fire Herman?

Second question: does CDC have to fire Herman?

I believe the answer to both is "no". We might not see it this way but there are tons of influential people close to the decision makers who see the COVID-truncated 2020 season as worthy of a mulligan (and the decision makers themselves might feel that way, too). CDC is not an "off with their heads!" type, he is averse to creating churn through change, and it would be easier on him and much cheaper if Herman worked out. Herman still meets all of the unwritten but ever-important "We're Texas" requirements for keeping up appearances. The kids win some games, we never get embarrassed on the scorboard, they don't get in trouble off the field, and there's not even a whiff of scandal around the program. Why, a lot of the kids are showing that they're leaders in the community!

Unless there's a total on-field collapse, there is nothing currently going on with this program that will get its coach fired. We all think the situation is totally unacceptable, but we're wrong. It's totally acceptable to our decision makers.

[UncleBuck 6,446]

So have we officially entered the aggy realm of competitive losses?

Can’t see how you’re missing his point, or is it better for this thread if we just stay mad and not speak logically about the rest of the season? Cos that might work, too.

[austintiger 111]

Anyone with an insidetexas sub..what are they saying over there this morning?

[BurntOrange&White 39,661]

Let this fucking tweet sink into your heads if you don’t think this mother fucker should be fired today. 
 

the worst OU team in 22 years btw and we lost to them

 

 

 

[SwanderedTalent 5,761]

2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I was too young to remember Akers

Totally guilty of being too prideful to change anything he did, ever. He thought the same shit he did to recruit and coach the kids who were seniors on the 1983 team would continue to attract enough talent and whip his opponents. By the 1984 collapse, it was already too late to change. 

[Bill Lumbergh 7,170]

I don’t think that is the intent of his post. The intent was to show we just aren’t gonna roll over and go 3-7. 

No one thinks we'll "roll over and go 3-7."

Most likely we'll play like dog shit for 3 unwatchable quarters, fall into a big hole, then Sam will somehow play us back into the game late in the 4th before we let it slip away again in some heartbreaking fashion.

That's how we'll go 3-7, in the most miserable, gut wrenching way possible.

[Dbeasy 14,969]

Regardless of what you thought about Herman when Texas hired him, it really is stunning how poorly his Texas teams have performed. I really never expected him to be this bad.

[Longboard Horn 40,145]

2 hours ago, PilotsError said:

that account has never been funny once.

 

2 hours ago, Liquor and Poker said:

It’s almost like they’re trying not to be funny

I'm still trying to figure out which one of you Surly assholes is TomtheHerman. I think it's the same person who was Chuck F'N Strong 

[BurntOrange&White 39,661]

2 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

Let this fucking tweet sink into your heads if you don’t think this mother fucker should be fired today. 
 

the worst OU team in 22 years btw and we lost to them

 

 

 

I’m going to quote my own post so people have to see it twice. LET THIS SINK IN AND CAN THIS MOTHER FUCKER TODAY

[Pancho 44,486]

New IT from Nahlin = 

[victory88 5,659]

2 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

First question: does CDC want to fire Herman?

Second question: does CDC have to fire Herman?

I believe the answer to both is "no". We might not see it this way but there are tons of influential people close to the decision makers who see the COVID-truncated 2020 season as worthy of a mulligan (and the decision makers themselves might feel that way, too). CDC is not an "off with their heads!" type, he is averse to creating churn through change, and it would be easier on him and much cheaper if Herman worked out. Herman still meets all of the unwritten but ever-important "We're Texas" requirements for keeping up appearances. The kids win some games, we never get embarrassed on the scorboard, they don't get in trouble off the field, and there's not even a whiff of scandal around the program. Why, a lot of the kids are showing that they're leaders in the community!

Unless there's a total on-field collapse, there is nothing currently going on with this program that will get its coach fired. We all think the situation is totally unacceptable, but we're wrong. It's totally acceptable to our decision makers.

It doesn't matter what CDC wants.  Empty stadiums, lack of season ticket renewals, sponsorships, and donations is going to force his hand.  Someone has to pay for all these upgrades. 

[SwanderedTalent 5,761]

1 minute ago, Longboard Horn said:

 

I'm still trying to figure out which one of you Surly assholes is TomtheHerman. I think it's the same person who was Chuck F'N Strong 

it is, and that person should stick to their humor day-job

[Dbeasy 14,969]

I'm still trying to figure out which one of you Surly assholes is TomtheHerman. I think it's the same person who was Chuck F'N Strong 

Thujone

[SwanderedTalent 5,761]

1 minute ago, victory88 said:

Empty stadiums

why is the stadium empty?

[SubliminalHorn 6,674]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

New IT from Nahlin = 

Go on...

[dcar00 14,035]

51 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

Does CDC have $25MM for the buyout and $10MM per necessary to get a top notch coach?  BMDs is how we got Herman and Patterson is how we got Strong. We got Mack through BMDs and would’ve had Barnett had it been solely up to a Dodds.

I agree with you somewhat, though. It is hard to argue CDC’s penchant for hiring good coaches, though he’s never done it at this level. If I’m Hicks Bros, Rowling, McCombs and Hildebrand right now, I am telling him, “This is solely YOUR hire, just fucking making sure it’s Urban and let me know if you need help with his contract, and let me know if any pansy administrative type or Regent gives you grief about Urban’s track record.”

BMDs must be involved  

 

we got Mack through DKR(and BMD's being on board).

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,145]

7 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

First question: does CDC want to fire Herman?

Second question: does CDC have to fire Herman?

I believe the answer to both is "no". We might not see it this way but there are tons of influential people close to the decision makers who see the COVID-truncated 2020 season as worthy of a mulligan (and the decision makers themselves might feel that way, too). CDC is not an "off with their heads!" type, he is averse to creating churn through change, and it would be easier on him and much cheaper if Herman worked out. Herman still meets all of the unwritten but ever-important "We're Texas" requirements for keeping up appearances. The kids win some games, we never get embarrassed on the scorboard, they don't get in trouble off the field, and there's not even a whiff of scandal around the program. Why, a lot of the kids are showing that they're leaders in the community!

Unless there's a total on-field collapse, there is nothing currently going on with this program that will get its coach fired. We all think the situation is totally unacceptable, but we're wrong. It's totally acceptable to our decision makers.

I feel very confident with these players that there is about to be a locker room revolt/uprising/protest (justified or not) that will force CDCs hand

[RGBIII 22,798]

2 minutes ago, Pancho said:

New IT from Nahlin = 

...go on

[UncleBuck 6,446]

New IT from Nahlin = 

DeAndre Jordan would be a terrible hire.

[BurntOrange&White 39,661]

1 minute ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

I feel very confident with these players that there is about to be a locker room revolt/uprising/protest (justified or not) that will force CDCs hand

There will be? My guy that happened after the game Saturday. 

[UncleBuck 6,446]

New IT from Nahlin = 

TIME TO TRACK SOME FLIGHTS!!!!

[LTtxfan 48,979]

11 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I'm in the "he'll figure out a way to weasel into 6-4" camp. Could the team go 3-7? For sure. They almost lost to KU last year and should have lost to Tech this year. Anything can happen with this idiot, but he's got enough talent to be the pussy he craves to be. Simply keep everything close, hope Ehlinger can pull something out at the end or he can sit on a lead until the game is over. 

This team is so brutally undisciplined and committing the same mistakes it's been making during his entire regime, and then that gets coupled with all of his stupid-ass tendencies. It's extremely nauseating and tedious to witness at this point. 

I hope the rumors are true and that him being gone is a done deal. CDC balked at doing anything last year. He better have his shit together right now. 

Just like many others, fuck it, I'll take Urban Meyer. That said, if that turns out to be the fantasy it appears to be, I sure as shit hope they hire someone who can actually fucking coach and outwork opponents from the X's and O's POV above all things. It has been forever and a day since we had that. In fact, I'm not sure I've been alive since it occurred. I was too young to remember Akers before the 1984 Cotton Bowl and, yeah. McWilliams? No. Mackovic? On some level, occasionally, but not really. Mack Brown? Please. Chuckles? Oh fuck. Herman? LOL. Brutal.

So excluding Urban, what coaches should TEXAS consider hiring that "can actually fucking coach and outwork opponents from the X's and O's POV above all things."

Personally, I don't think Campbell or Fleck are right for TEXAS...

[closetohumping 17,401]

7 minutes ago, Pancho said:

New IT from Nahlin = 

A little hint?

[RGBIII 22,798]

Nahlin: Tom Herman: In case you couldn’t tell, Tom Herman is in very hot water. His seat began to warm last year but Chris Del Conte decided to support Herman revitalizing the coaching staff. After a 2-2 start that should be 1-3, Herman has very little chance of saving his tenure. The 25% chance I gave him of keeping his job on Saturday was generous as I worked to find out more. After further discussions I give him much less of a chance. Read between the lines.

[dcar00 14,035]

6 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

I recall Dodds really wanting Barnett. Hicks and McCombs wanted Mack and somewhat forced it upon Dodds. I do not recall DKR being involved. 

DKR(along with a couple of players he trusted) talked with Mack and told Hicks/McCombs/Jamail that he was the guy. yes Dodds wanted Barnett and DKR told the money Mack was the guy. I heard it straight from DKR's mouth on a SW flight.  he sat right across from me when SW used to have those seating areas that faced each other.

He also drew on a piece of paper what UCLA did to Mackovic during rout 66.

Edited October 12, 2020 by dcar00

[BurntOrange&White 39,661]

2 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

So excluding Urban, what coaches should TEXAS consider hiring that "can actually fucking coach and outwork opponents from the X's and O's POV above all things."

Personally, I don't think Campbell or Fleck are right for TEXAS...

Tony Elliott but Texas fans won’t like it. 

[BurntOrange&White 39,661]

2 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Nahlin: Tom Herman: In case you couldn’t tell, Tom Herman is in very hot water. His seat began to warm last year but Chris Del Conte decided to support Herman revitalizing the coaching staff. After a 2-2 start that should be 1-3, Herman has very little chance of saving his tenure. The 25% chance I gave him of keeping his job on Saturday was generous as I worked to find out more. After further discussions I give him much less of a chance. Read between the lines.

Tuesday is always the big day for us 

[UrbanTheMeyer 67]

I think you're nuts if you want Ash to be our interim HC. To put it nicely, his Rutgers team sucked. I'd trust Yurcich slightly more simply because he doesnt have a terrible HC record already.

[jdhorn92 1,538]

1 minute ago, Bevo VIII said:

Tuesday is always the big day for us 

Well it sure as he’ll isn’t Saturday and Sunday proved useless 

Edited October 12, 2020 by jdhorn92

[TexasGolf 4,858]

2 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

Tony Elliott but Texas fans won’t like it. 

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/video/clemson-offensive-coordinator-tony-elliott-on-the-balance-of-the-offense/

[horn.g20 109]

has anyone found any article that supports keeping tom for a reason other than money?

[dcar00 14,035]

1 minute ago, Dr. Beeper said:

Okay. Well, I was responding to someone’s post who said BMDs need to stay out of it.  They can’t when they are likely contributing financially to the ordeal, and I don’t expect them to. 

we don't have a DKR unfortunately.  I'm not saying DKR is perfect.  we got McWilliams as a way to try to bring DKR back in the fold after Akers(DKR wanted Campbell to get the job when Akers got it).

[closetohumping 17,401]

Ok. Nahlins article wasn’t much.  A long winded way of saying Tom is likely done.  

[6th Street 6,357]

7 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Nahlin: Tom Herman: In case you couldn’t tell, Tom Herman is in very hot water. His seat began to warm last year but Chris Del Conte decided to support Herman revitalizing the coaching staff. After a 2-2 start that should be 1-3, Herman has very little chance of saving his tenure. The 25% chance I gave him of keeping his job on Saturday was generous as I worked to find out more. After further discussions I give him much less of a chance. Read between the lines.

Thanks - sounds to me like the key stakeholders are in agreement given the 6-6 record in conference play since beginning of 2019. Simply unacceptable 

Edited October 12, 2020 by 6th Street

[dcar00 14,035]

1 minute ago, closetohumping said:

Ok. Nahlins article wasn’t much.  A long winded way of saying Tom is likely done.  

that'll be 9.95.

[RGBIII 22,798]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

That’s great news. Now I need to know if Urban is a possibility and when. 

Nahlin...infer what you will: Del Conte is very proactive in situations like these. I’m sure he has books written on PJ Fleck, Matt Campbell, and a few others, but he’s also the sort to be very aggressive and aim high. If there’s a coach out there with a big enough personality to help the program overcome its current woes, that will help that coach’s case immensely. Del Conte needs help on that front. He needs a coach who can return the transactional nature of big time football to the program. It’s amazing how trivial standing with your teammates for a song after a game seems if you’re winning and developing into a millionaire.

[ClubWhatever 12,087]

I keep seeing that we should be 1-3.  No.  We should be 3-1.  We pissed away two easily winnable games.  

[dcar00 14,035]

Just now, ClubWhatever said:

I keep seeing that we should be 1-3.  No.  We should be 3-1.  We pissed away two easily winnable games.  

we what our record says we are....but worse.

[CurlyDumps 4,440]

2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

that'll be 9.95.

Best fanfic around!

[closetohumping 17,401]

Just now, ClubWhatever said:

I keep seeing that we should be 1-3.  No.  We should be 3-1.  We pissed away two easily winnable games.  

We should be undefeated.  But we’re not