Tom "the turtle" Herman [Lame Duck or greatest 5d chess player ever?]

[BrazilHorn 6586]

24 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

Herman and his team will almost certainly try to frame it this way. On the bright side it's pretty likely that all of Herman's current players hate his guts and won't exactly rush to defend him to the media so that will undercut the message somewhat. No matter who the next head coaching hire is I'm expecting our players to be throwing a ton of shade towards Tom whenever it's finally all over. 

I just don't see Herman getting much traction with this angle. Mack had Jamail as his agent and BMDs split around him. CS was at his core a seemingly likeable dude that seemed to instill loyalty from players and coaches. Herman has successfully alienated every constituency: BMDs, fans, players (rash of "soft tissue" injuries) during his tenure. He can try and spin how he wants but I don't think many will fight that fight for him, especially if Texas hires Urban. There are very few coaches you could bring in to replace Herman: Saban, Belicheck, Urban eg that anyone would be like "oh yeah, of course you fire that dude and hire that guy". Now if Texas hires yet another up and coming multi-directional state U coach to replace him, maybe Herman can try and sell the story of Texas being inherently racist around the EOT.

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

awkward

I immediately got an image of Urban and Tommy in their agent’s office in a scene of breaking bad between Saul, Jesse, and Walt.

[Par4 146]

6 minutes ago, nineliveslost said:

#2

Texas sucking ass didn't hurt OU's chancing of getting into the playoffs and being a national brand the last 10 years.

 

Very painful to type the above. I now have the sads

While I don't disagree that OU did a pretty good job of not following us south to the median, I actually think our sucking did hurt OU on the national scale. When they are battling TCU, and Baylor for the conference championship there are seeds of doubt cast nationally whether they are worthy of consideration. I think the complete disappearance of a Pac 12 threat coupled with the two QB Heisman's they won keep them relevant enough to make the playoffs, but as soon as they were beaten the ESPN talking heads couldn't pat themselves on the back quick enough to return the narrative to the SEC. 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

39 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

They didn't replace near the entire staff... and even when you bring in new coordinators, if the players are good and well coached enough to begin with, you don't fall down like this, and it's not a rebuild.

Bama replaced their two coordinators last year, and no one said they were rebuilding.

stop. just stop.

[bad_teammate 13195]

So the agent gets a cut of Herman's salary AND Urban's? Double-paid from Texas.

Nice.

[MrBig 5396]

23 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

I immediately got an image of Urban and Tommy in their agent’s office in a scene of breaking bad between Saul, Jesse, and Walt.

There’s a bottle of G2, clear heels, half a plastic straw, and a rubber band for Michelle to tie her hair back.

[Jack Wilson 313]

35 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

I wonder if some of the hesitant fans, and our admin/some BMDs truly understand this fact. It isn't going to get any better under Herman. The time is now. 

Get better's ass; it's going to get worse. This is the year we were all pointing to--Roster full of herman-picked 4/5stars, solid senior QB, blo-u in a rebuilding year--everything was "aligned" for us. Now, we're looking at 5-5 and recruiting's absolutely tanking. Oh, yes, don't forget the get-out-of-jail-free transfer portal. Wonder if any of our loyal, committed, EOT-loving student-athletes will look to bail?

[Bevo 13576]

30 minutes ago, BrazilHorn said:

Now if Texas hires yet another up and coming multi-directional state U coach to replace him, maybe Herman can try and sell the story of Texas being inherently racist around the EOT.

No way would a potential hire claim that his past employer was racist. Or a better way to state that is if someone was looking for a job and said his last employer was racist, he would never get hired. Shitting on your last employer is a bad interviewing technique. 

[HtownHorn 14677]

The unnamed big time coach is likely Franklin.

He and Del Conte both got their MA's at WSU circa 1998, while Del Conte was some assistant to the AD and Franklin was the TE coach. It is also very likely they had classes together as Del Conte's masters was in Education, administration, and supervision; while Franklin's was in Educational leadership.

He'd be a solid #2 behind Urban.

Edited October 19, 2020 by HtownHorn

[UncleBuck 6453]

23 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

stop. just stop.

Figured someone would zero in on the first bolded selection. Thanks for not disappointing. 

The point was that this is all an indictment on Herman. Teams don't rebuild in year four of a regime. You get better, or you get to fucking walking. 

Edited October 19, 2020 by UncleBuck

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

3 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

Figured someone would zero in on the first bolded selection. Thanks for not disappointing. 

The point was that this is all an indictment on Herman. Teams don't rebuild in year four of a regime. You get better, or you get to fucking walking. 

well no shit. that was the entirety of my point in the post you took issue with. take a lap, buck.

[The Earl of Texas 3132]

Scouring the Baylor message boards, eh? Yeah, that should fix what ails us.

Edited October 19, 2020 by The Earl of Texas

[CurlyDumps 4471]

2 hours ago, C-Man said:

It's really amazing that running the table in either direction -- winning out or losing out -- does not seem out of the realm of possibility.

If not for a miracle onside kick recovery, we are 0-3 against three teams that are a combined 0-6 in their other big 12 games. And we haven't even played the three highest ranked teams in the conference (OSU, KSU, ISU). Two of those games are on the road. All seven teams ahead of us in the Big 12 standings are either still on our schedule, or have already beaten us.

Let's say we drew this realm of possibilities as a circle on a piece of paper, with dots representing outcomes.  "Winning out" would be a small dot on a completely separate sheet of paper, which would then have to be placed inside a rocket ship and fired into space. 

[C-Man 27217]

1 minute ago, CurlyDumps said:

If not for a miracle onside kick recovery, we are 0-3 against three teams that are a combined 0-6 in their other big 12 games. And we haven't even played the three highest ranked teams in the conference (OSU, KSU, ISU). Two of those games are on the road. All seven teams ahead of us in the Big 12 standings are either still on our schedule, or have already beaten us.

Let's say we drew this realm of possibilities as a circle on a piece of paper, with dots representing outcomes.  "Winning out" would be a small dot on a completely separate sheet of paper, which would then have to be placed inside a rocket ship and fired into space. 

You're not wrong but it's not exactly like we've got Clemson, Bama, Georgia and Ohio State the rest of the way. The Big 12 is gutter trash. We have talent on the roster.

Look, I don't want to win out because I want to make sure we move on from Herman at any cost.

[UncleBuck 6453]

2 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

well no shit. that was the entirety of my point in the post you took issue with. take a lap, buck.

Oh, absolutely not. I still disagree that it was a rebuild because it wasn't. In our case, it was an attempt to get better, and take the next step. It didn't happen because Tom isn't a good enough coach. The talent has gotten plenty better, especially for the Big 12. 

In Bama's case, it was in an effort to maintain the dominance the team already had (and happened to be the only other recent example I could think of where two coordinators were replaced in the same year, without being a rebuild).

It was a minor disagreement, but I can see it's just easier to say FTH and agree with you so yah FTH. And The Brockermeyers. 

[Hiphopopotamos 20869]

18 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

The unnamed big time coach is likely Franklin.

He and Del Conte both got their MA's at WSU circa 1998, while Del Conte was some assistant to the AD and Franklin was the TE coach. It is also very likely they had classes together as Del Conte's masters was in Education, administration, and supervision; while Franklin's was in Educational leadership.

He'd be a solid #2 behind Urban.

Thats some solid sleuthing.  He's easily the next best candidate after Urban - strangely enough because of Franklin's new contract and buyout he also might to cost more than Urban.   He's had 3 top 10 finishes and one top 20 in his 6 seasons at PSU.  Only shitty part is that if we miss out on Urban we likely have to wait for the Big10 season to finish before we hire Franklin.

[ztejas 43418]

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Lol I can 100% guarantee you greenspoint is not dripping in pussy. 

He didn't say pussy he said puzzy. Learn to read.

[Bluemoon3287 56]

1 hour ago, TrashMaster G said:

Apparently Bluemoon3287 thinks he's on his kid's walkie talkies.

 

16-21, 2 losing seasons, 0-1 in bowl games

vs

27-17, no losing seasons (yet), 3-0 in bowl games

No, we are in a different territory here.  Still not acceptable, but Charlie earned his early exit.

I’m fully aware it’s an iPhone. Sorry you couldn’t be a part of the Sugar Hill Gang, Masta Gee.....surely you’ll find respite elsewhere -

[utee94 15812]

11 minutes ago, C-Man said:

You're not wrong but it's not exactly like we've got Clemson, Bama, Georgia and Ohio State the rest of the way. The Big 12 is gutter trash. We have talent on the roster.

Look, I don't want to win out because I want to make sure we move on from Herman at any cost.

You have no worries, my friend, because Tom Herman is 100% certain to lose to gutter trash.

If we had someone like Georgia on the schedule, then we might actually beat them.  It has happened.

[pops 6983]

1 hour ago, hornfromdallas said:

you people laugh @GreenspointTexas but he is probably dripping in puzzy 

nurses r the wettest horniest thots in any career outside of porn

nurses/cnas all those thots give away the puzzy very easily no cap 

even a nerd/simp like him could get the puzzy with no effort 

They don't go for cats that are so insecure with their life choices they post pics of their paystub on the most degenerate filled site on the interwebs. Unless they are also sweedish models into yellow corvettes. 

[Fud 9552]

Carl watches Grey's Anatomy 

[RGBIII 22840]

34 minutes ago, The Earl of Texas said:

Scouring the Baylor message boards, eh? Yeah, that should fix what ails us.

Hopefully hes on Surly as well...Hey Tom, fuck you and resign!

[FloridaHorn 4754]

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Lol I can 100% guarantee you greenspoint is not dripping in pussy. 

Uhhh, he said Puzzy 

[LTtxfan 49173]

41 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Thats some solid sleuthing.  He's easily the next best candidate after Urban - strangely enough because of Franklin's new contract and buyout he also might to cost more than Urban.   He's had 3 top 10 finishes and one top 20 in his 6 seasons at PSU.  Only shitty part is that if we miss out on Urban we likely have to wait for the Big10 season to finish before we hire Franklin.

Maybe...

[satyanash 14481]

46 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Thats some solid sleuthing.  He's easily the next best candidate after Urban - strangely enough because of Franklin's new contract and buyout he also might to cost more than Urban.   He's had 3 top 10 finishes and one top 20 in his 6 seasons at PSU.  Only shitty part is that if we miss out on Urban we likely have to wait for the Big10 season to finish before we hire Franklin.

Franklin would be a horrible hire. He's expensive, his offense doesn't fit the Big 12 at all, his Gameday management skills make Andy Reid look like a savant, and you probably don't want to look too deeply into what went on under his watch at Vandy. If we don't land Urban and Bellmont picks Franklin they've learned absolutely nothing. Conduct a proper search. At least try and go after Cristobal, Dan Mullen, or the other far superior candidates before settling for Franklin. Fuck, I'd take Matt Campbell over Franklin. He would be a disaster here.

Edited October 19, 2020 by satyanash

[6th Street 6392]

Franklin would just be another guy that gets smoked by OU, TCU, WV, and Oklahoma State.

[hornfromdallas 334]

chris peterson would not go over well with the black players his hiring would cause an eot like controversy 

here is a refresher for u yt people on petersons okg policy

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Last week, THE best player in the history of Washington state (Garfield and Kennedy HS) went out of his way to give an interview with Brandon Huffman of 247 sports saying that he is no longer seriously considering Washington.Word came out quickly after that Oregon coaches and players as well as people in his camp have been telling him that the UW OKG model is racist and elitist, and he should go to a school that creates a better environment for black athletes who don't come from higher income backgrounds.

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• UW has recruited a fewer number of black athletes than average, especially black athletes who come from lower income backgrounds

• The culture of the team is very buttoned up and proper. There is no flash and very little fun shown to fans 

• Petersen and staff expect recruits to behave in a very specific way that often does not align with the upbringing of kids from low socio-economic backgrounds

 

[Hank_Hill 18803]

Lol Cristobal. We’re not getting that deep in to the bag game.

[closetohumping 17440]

11 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Franklin would be a horrible hire. He's expensive, his offense doesn't fit the Big 12 at all, his Gameday management skills make Andy Reid look like a savant, and you probably don't want to look too deeply into what went on under his watch at Vandy. If we don't land Urban and Bellmont picks Franklin they've learned absolutely nothing. Conduct a proper search. At least try and go after Cristobal, Dan Mullen, or the other far superior candidates before settling for Franklin. Fuck, I'd take Matt Campbell over Franklin. He would be a disaster here.

Given the fact that Urban has no buyout, he's likely cheaper than a lot of guys

[satyanash 14481]

Just now, Hank_Hill said:

Lol Cristobal. We’re not getting that deep in to the bag game.

Then, like I said, Bellmont has learned nothing. Also you can't exactly hand-wave away what went on under his watch at Vandy.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/10/08/former-vandy-coach-james-franklin-testifies-in-rape-case/16920397/

[troph 24783]

If we don’t hire urban we’ve learned nothing. We jumped the gun to get Herman, an itchy trigger finger for someone with no skins on the wall. Now the guy who has skins on the wall at two P5 schools is a free agent and we don’t have an itchy trigger finger? Back to the “we’re Stanford*” motto I guess.

*not really, we’re just Texas.

[TheRealRonWeaver? 1258]

Just now, troph said:

If we don’t hire urban we’ve learned nothing. We jumped the gun to get Herman, an itchy trigger finger for someone with no skins on the wall. Now the guy who has skins on the wall at two P5 schools is a free agent and we don’t have an itchy trigger finger? Back to the “we’re Stanford*” motto I guess.

*not really, we’re just Texas.

[George Clooney 378]

8 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Franklin would be a horrible hire. He's expensive, his offense doesn't fit the Big 12 at all, his Gameday management skills make Andy Reid look like a savant, and you probably don't want to look too deeply into what went on under his watch at Vandy. If we don't land Urban and Bellmont picks Franklin they've learned absolutely nothing. Conduct a proper search. At least try and go after Cristobal, Dan Mullen, or the other far superior candidates before settling for Franklin. Fuck, I'd take Matt Campbell over Franklin. He would be a disaster here.

You’re right about his game management, but their offense isn’t his. It’s changed fairly significantly from John Donovan to Moorhead to Ricky Rahne to now Kirk Ciarrocca. Also, I’m not sure that Mullen is actually better than Franklin. Mullen seems to have an issue of keeping underwhelming assistants for too long (Grantham, Greg Knox, and Ron English), and he’s worse at communicating than Franklin. That being said, Franklin needs a huge year this year so that their ‘22 class matches their ‘17-19 classes.

[TexasRenegade 2435]

CDC is gonna enjoy telling Herman this after all this crap is over...whether its Urban or not....

[George Clooney 378]

14 minutes ago, hornfromdallas said:

chris peterson would not go over well with the black players his hiring would cause an eot like controversy 

here is a refresher for u yt people on petersons okg policy

 

Petersen isn’t even an option, but Smalls went on to commit to them anyway. The rumor is that Cristobal pushed the racist angle hard, but UW overcame it because their staff wasn’t actually racist (shocker). Cristobal is kind of the antithesis to Mullen in that he has a killer instinct in recruiting, for better or worse.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13091]

5 hours ago, Brock Sampson said:

So we’re all Baylor fans this weekend?

Nope. I’m hoping Texas blows them out and then Tom, in his childish celebratory fashion, pulls his pants down on the sideline, revealing his tiny dick on television.

[TrashMaster G 17551]

49 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Franklin would be a horrible hire. He's expensive, his offense doesn't fit the Big 12 at all, his Gameday management skills make Andy Reid look like a savant, and you probably don't want to look too deeply into what went on under his watch at Vandy. If we don't land Urban and Bellmont picks Franklin they've learned absolutely nothing. Conduct a proper search. At least try and go after Cristobal, Dan Mullen, or the other far superior candidates before settling for Franklin. Fuck, I'd take Matt Campbell over Franklin. He would be a disaster here.

Hiring Cristobal might make Phil Knight's head explode.  That would be the second coach we poach from the Ducks.

[nnm 36362]

2 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

The unnamed big time coach is likely Franklin.

He and Del Conte both got their MA's at WSU circa 1998, while Del Conte was some assistant to the AD and Franklin was the TE coach. It is also very likely they had classes together as Del Conte's masters was in Education, administration, and supervision; while Franklin's was in Educational leadership.

He'd be a solid #2 behind Urban.

Excellent sleuthing, really well done. 
But I can’t imagine the CDC familiarity hint is anyone other than Patterson. And for reasons I stated about 20 pages back, I just don’t see that happening. Maybe 10 years ago, after the Rose Bowl, but not now. 

Edited October 19, 2020 by nnm

[Tex-19 2872]

I'm in agreement on Franklin being the #2 best choice in terms of a proven, P5 head coach. 3 top 10 finishes in the last 4 years including two NY6 bowl wins is pretty dang good. And PSU isn't UT, especially coming out of their scandal. He also had winning seasons in 2 of 3 seasons at Vandy which is a minor miracle.

Looks like his recruiting has been top 15ish on average at PSU but you'd have to expect a big bump at UT. Seems like they've put plenty of guys in the NFL too.

I haven't seen anything concrete about these off-field allegations but I really can't imagine PSU ignoring anything real given the situation they were in when they hired him. They had to have done extensive research on that front.

[closetojumping 62612]

4 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

I would not at all be surprised to see the team run the table on the regular season, believe it or not.

You will be able to knock me over with a feather if Texas runs the table to 8-2 from here. The HC has a pathological need to play games close, and yet he has no attention to details, weak grey matter in his skull, and no fucking sack to do what needs to be done with the game on the line. I expect him to choke his way to 5-5, but I concede that 6-0 on the way to 8-2 is entirely possible. It will just be shocking.

1 hour ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Thats some solid sleuthing.  He's easily the next best candidate after Urban - strangely enough because of Franklin's new contract and buyout he also might to cost more than Urban.   He's had 3 top 10 finishes and one top 20 in his 6 seasons at PSU.  Only shitty part is that if we miss out on Urban we likely have to wait for the Big10 season to finish before we hire Franklin.

Good point. Franklin will absolutely be more expensive than Meyer. If anyone ever argues the $$ angle as to why Texas couldn't sign Urban Meyer:

1) They should be permabanned for being idiots

2) They'd have to be talking about someone like Matt Campbell, as most anyone else has a significant buyout and is already earning $4+ as well.

48 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Franklin would be a horrible hire. He's expensive, his offense doesn't fit the Big 12 at all, his Gameday management skills make Andy Reid look like a savant, and you probably don't want to look too deeply into what went on under his watch at Vandy. If we don't land Urban and Bellmont picks Franklin they've learned absolutely nothing. Conduct a proper search. At least try and go after Cristobal, Dan Mullen, or the other far superior candidates before settling for Franklin. Fuck, I'd take Matt Campbell over Franklin. He would be a disaster here.

It's fine to be opposed to a hire for whatever reasons you choose, but to then come back in the same post and cite Mullen and Cristobal as better options is ... kind of amazing.

Mullen will never win the SEC while at UF. He's building his usual paper tiger based off of sketchy recruiting choices. He's not Tom Herman, don't get me wrong. He'll steadily have them at 8-4/10-2 regular seasons, hunchbacking them all the way to "solid". Calling him far superior to Franklin, morally, coaching-wise, recruiting-wise, whatever, is laughable. 

Cristobal is flatly corrupt in recruiting. They might as well just hire Barry Switzer. Whatever the issues are with Meyer, he's not fundamentally corrupt when it comes to recruiting. I am not sure Cristobal could conduct the clean recruitment of a fucking saint. Beyond that, he's done less as a coach than Franklin and has shown his ass repeatedly in end of game situations.

Finally, Nike wants to Texas to be good. They want Oregon to be good. They don't want one of those schools being good to ruin the chances at the other school. Nike will have a voice whenever they feel it is required. Also, Phil Knight and Meyer are buddies, and there's some smoke around PK actually helping recruit UM to lending an ear to the Texas money players. 

[texasstrong12 4668]

58 minutes ago, satyanash said:

 At least try and go after Cristobal, Dan Mullen, or the other far superior candidates before settling for Franklin. Fuck, I'd take Matt Campbell over Franklin. He would be a disaster here.

Top 25 finishes: 

Franklin 6

Cristobal 1

Campbell 0

Top 10 finishes: 

Franklin 3

Cristobal 1

Campbell 0 

Cristobal's resume is complete shit outside of 1 good season at Oregon. Campbell hasn't won shit at Iowa State and before you use the "it's Iowa State" excuse know that Franklin won at Vanderbilt. 

In no way, are Cristobal and Campbell better choices than Franklin. 

 

 

[TexasBeta 1261]

They might as well just hire Barry Switzer.

I hate that SOB as much as the next man but that MFer can win football games and recruit.

When Texas got McWilliams there was a small part of me that wanted Switzer.

[satyanash 14481]

17 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Cristobal is flatly corrupt in recruiting. They might as well just hire Barry Switzer. Whatever the issues are with Meyer, he's not fundamentally corrupt when it comes to recruiting. I am not sure Cristobal could conduct the clean recruitment of a fucking saint. Beyond that, he's done less as a coach than Franklin and has shown his ass repeatedly in end of game situations.

Cristobal has explicitly built/structured the program at Oregon in the model of Nick Saban's, and he's said as much. If we were fine with hiring Saban, we should be fine with hiring Cristobal. It's a (pretty meaningless) difference of degrees. Cristobal also has a very good eye for coordinator hires.

16 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

Top 25 finishes: 

Franklin 6

Cristobal 1

Campbell 0

Top 10 finishes: 

Franklin 3

Cristobal 1

Campbell 0 

Cristobal's resume is complete shit outside of 1 good season at Oregon. Campbell hasn't won shit at Iowa State and before you use the "it's Iowa State" excuse know that Franklin won at Vanderbilt. 

In no way, are Cristobal and Campbell better choices than Franklin.

Franklin trying to run what he runs over at Penn State here would be an absolute joke. In six years, through multiple offensive coordinators, he's never had a QB under him throw for more than 30 TDs in a season. How do you think that sort of offensive system will work here? The Big Ten lets him get away with that because it's a conference completely devoid of offensive imagination, other than Urban Meyer who jumped on the spread bandwagon and proceeded to dominate the conference. Meanwhile, we already have a coach who can't bring himself to go all-out and run up the score through the air. Franklin would be more of the same.

Edited October 19, 2020 by satyanash

[texasstrong12 4668]

16 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

I'm in agreement on Franklin being the #2 best choice in terms of a proven, P5 head coach. 3 top 10 finishes in the last 4 years including two NY6 bowl wins is pretty dang good. And PSU isn't UT, especially coming out of their scandal. He also had winning seasons in 2 of 3 seasons at Vandy which is a minor miracle.

They're also loaded this season. Penn State will likely be a top 10 team. 

Franklin isn't an Urban Meyer level hire but 4 top 10 finishes in the last 5 seasons would certainly be impressive. He also has the 3rd highest winning percentage in CFB since 2016 only behind Saban and Dabo. 

Also, not only did Franklin have 2 winning seasons at Vandy he had 2 top 25 finishes. The last time Vandy had a top 25 finish prior to Franklin was 1948. 

[alphahorn 1637]

1 minute ago, satyanash said:

Cristobal has explicitly built/structured the program at Oregon in the model of Nick Saban's, and he's said as much. If we were fine with hiring Saban, we should be fine with hiring Cristobal. It's a (pretty meaningless) difference of degrees.

Franklin trying to run what he runs over at Penn State here would be an absolute joke. In six years, through multiple offensive coordinators, he's never had a QB under him throw for more than 30 TDs in a season. How do you think that sort of offensive system will work here? The Big Ten lets him get away with that because it's a conference completely devoid of offensive imagination, other than Urban Meyer who jumped on the spread bandwagon and proceeded to dominate the conference. Meanwhile, we already have a coach who can't bring himself to go all-out and run up the score through the air. Franklin would be more of the same.

agreed, Herman or bust. I still see Franklin as an imposter

[Fud 9552]

17 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

Top 25 finishes: 

Franklin 6

Cristobal 1

Campbell 0

Top 10 finishes: 

Franklin 3

Cristobal 1

Campbell 0 

Cristobal's resume is complete shit outside of 1 good season at Oregon. Campbell hasn't won shit at Iowa State and before you use the "it's Iowa State" excuse know that Franklin won at Vanderbilt. 

In no way, are Cristobal and Campbell better choices than Franklin. 

 

 

Out of curiosity, how do you consider Franklin to have won at Vanderbilt but not consider Campbell to be winning at Iowa State? 

[dcar00 14181]

12 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

Top 25 finishes: 

Franklin 6

Cristobal 1

Campbell 0

Top 10 finishes: 

Franklin 3

Cristobal 1

Campbell 0 

Cristobal's resume is complete shit outside of 1 good season at Oregon. Campbell hasn't won shit at Iowa State and before you use the "it's Iowa State" excuse know that Franklin won at Vanderbilt. 

In no way, are Cristobal and Campbell better choices than Franklin. 

 

 

the 2 best candidates(Saban/Dabo/Petersen are out) after Meyer are probably  Mullen and Franklin.   Both these guys have been successful at 2 P5 programs and both won in P5 at also ran football schools.  they aren't just one hit G5 wonders which is the problem with the last 2 guys we hired.

[texasstrong12 4668]

1 minute ago, satyanash said:

Franklin trying to run what he runs over at Penn State here would be an absolute joke. In six years, through multiple offensive coordinators, he's never had a QB under him throw for more than 30 TDs in a season.

Wut? 

Moorhead was considered by most to be one of the best offensive coordinators in CFB. Also, how can you argue you want Cristobal when he just employed Moorhead? Ya know the same type coordinator you apparently don't want. 

Also, I really like Penn State's new offensive coordinator in Ciarrocca. Go see what he did at Minnesota with shit talent. He's about to light things up at Penn State. 

[alphahorn 1637]

Those of you in favor of Franklin, think about this before you knee jerk answer. If top 10 finishes is your yardstick, do you really believe Franklin is a better coach than say Mack Brown.  If we can't upgrade from MB, then we're wasting our time as we have been since we fired him and didn't get Saban

Edited October 19, 2020 by alphahorn

[Fud 9552]

Franklin is Black Mack