Tom "the turtle" Herman [Lame Duck or greatest 5d chess player ever?]

[6th Street 6340]

2 hours ago, tbone_ said:

I don’t understand the angst over Ewers. We would have likely just turned him into Garret Gilbert.

Disagree - he would be the next Alamo Bowl MVP at Texas

[Rockethorn1978 6061]

14 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I don’t want Urban Meyer. 

Here’s my list:

1) David Shaw

2) Harsin

3) Campbell

4) Fleck

David Shaw is your number 1?

 

[Rockethorn1978 6061]

1 minute ago, 6th Street said:

Disagree - he would be the next Alamo Bowl MVP at Texas

Then we would start a thread calling him a top 3 qb at Texas and a future hall of famer.

[bschoolprof 6232]

The unbridled confidence that we basically have Urban locked up is awesome, hilarious, disturbing, but not really surprising.  

[closetohumping 17379]

So Brian Jones said a quick firing can happen?

[closetohumping 17379]

2 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

The unbridled confidence that we basically have Urban locked up is awesome, hilarious, disturbing, but not really surprising.  

Have you been following the thread?   These posters have the self esteem of a turnip.  Woe is we

[TejasPedro 1849]

Contract incentives.

1. Beat OU (250,000 per win)

2. Beat OU by 35 points or more (50,000 per point over a 35 point win)

3. Win a Conference Championship 200,000 bonus

4. Win a national championship 1.25 mil bonus

5. Win a national championship with a QB from the transfer portal from any of the following schools Alabama, Clemson, OSU, North Carolina, OU 200,000 bonus
6. Go undefeated in the state of Texas get unlimited toppings on any pizza for life

[Sir Ulrich 5187]

12 minutes ago, texashorn13 said:

I also posted this in the Quinn Ewers thread in Recruiting...

On 104.9, Trey Elling just said that he's hearing in recruiting circles that Herman has been saying some negative things about Ewers, and that stuff got back to the Ewers family and that's how all of this came about.  Also said that Herman made no effort to rectify the comments or keep him committed.  I'm officially on the "he knows his fate and he's burning the place down on his way out."

It was a totally WTF moment. 

Was wondering if something like this happened. Makes sense why it happened out of the blue in the blink of an eye. 

[Scooter Monzingo 820]

21 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I don’t want Urban Meyer. 

Here’s my list:

1) David Shaw

2) Harsin

3) Campbell

4) Fleck

Ima go out on a limb and say if any of these guys get the job there is going to be a lot of blood and feathers around here.

[B00M 6268]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Was wondering if something like this happened. Makes sense why it happened out of the blue in the blink of an eye. 

Does it make sense though? Really, we know Tom is an asshat but sabotaging your biggest recruiting win is tin foil hat type shit. Ewers is making a practical decision to improve his chances of playing for a championship and getting to the NFL. 

[Tex Pete 20135]

8 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

The unbridled confidence that we basically have Urban locked up is awesome, hilarious, disturbing, but not really surprising.  

You're reading different comments than I am. I see a lot of hope and a lot of misery.

[HornsOverIthaca 2333]

4 hours ago, Nope said:

Urban will wait to respond until Herman hits absolute rock bottom and has no more blue chip recruits in the fold...

Then he’ll say no.

The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No.

Edited October 29, 2020 by HornsOverIthaca

[UncleBuck 6444]

10 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

The unbridled confidence that we basically have Urban locked up is awesome, hilarious, disturbing, but not really surprising.  

[LTtxfan 48915]

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26223]

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

What, exactly, has Shaw done without Harbaugh's players or Christian McCaffrey? 

David Shaw coached winning football 8/9 years scandal-free and won 3 conference championships while contending with the highest admission standards and maintaining a Graduation Success Rate in the 90's.

He had players when he arrived and then recruited more good players? No shit.  

[closetohumping 17379]

18 minutes ago, TexasEx said:

What the actual fuck? If true, CDC needs to pull that trigger NOW. TRAITOR.

This is why short timers should be fired.  

[ztejas 43237]

I don't want Urban Meyer.

Here's my list:

1. Jody Conradt

2. Michael Center

3. PJ Carlesimo

4. Eric Taylor

[Bozo_Casanova 26223]

7 minutes ago, Scooter Monzingo said:

Ima go out on a limb and say if any of these guys get the job there is going to be a lot of blood and feathers around here.

Good. 

[closetohumping 17379]

Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

David Shaw coached winning football 8/9 years scandal-free and won 3 conference championships while contending with the highest admission standards and maintaining a Graduation Success Rate in the 90's.

He had players when he arrived and then recruited more good players? No shit.  

His teams aren’t as good as harbaughs

[UncleBuck 6444]

1 minute ago, LTtxfan said:

 

show me the lie, the kids say. 

[bschoolprof 6232]

I want Urban Meyer.

I don't think we are getting Urban Meyer.  

 

[nunna yo bizness 1687]

33 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I don’t want Urban Meyer. 

Here’s my list:

1) David Shaw

2) Harsin

3) Campbell

4) Fleck

User first name checks out.

[Tex Pete 20135]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

I don't want Urban Meyer.

Here's my list:

1. Jody Conradt

2. Michael Center

3. PJ Carlesimo

4. Eric Taylor

If we hire Jody Conradt, we can get a two-fer with Chris Plonsky. That's value!

[UncleBuck 6444]

I don't want Urban Meyer

Here's my list:

1. Ur

2. Ban

3. Mey

4. Er

okay I want Urban Meyer. 

[Sir Ulrich 5187]

7 minutes ago, B00M said:

Does it make sense though? Really, we know Tom is an asshat but sabotaging your biggest recruiting win is tin foil hat type shit. Ewers is making a practical decision to improve his chances of playing for a championship and getting to the NFL. 

For normal people it makes zero sense to burn bridges like that but it would for the Tom Herman that CTJ and others have alluded too. Arrogant/Dumb enough to think that it would not get back around to him and uninspired enough to not make up for the mistake. 

Would Ewers actively recruit against his child hood dream school that he is currently committed to and change direction out of nowhere without some kind of clash with TH and the staff?

Edited October 29, 2020 by Sir Ulrich

[Bozo_Casanova 26223]

4 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

His teams aren’t as good as harbaughs

And Harbaugh's Michigan teams aren't as good as his Stanford teams, and Hermann's Texas teams aren't as good as his UH teams, and so on. There are no guarantee of winning. What attributes does the University value in the program and in what order? Start there.

Edited October 29, 2020 by Bozo_Casanova

[closetohumping 17379]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

And Harbaugh's Michigan teams aren't as good as his Stanford teams, and Hermann's Texas teams aren't as good as his UH teams, and so on. There are no guarantee of winning. What attributes does the University value in the program and in what order? Start there.

So if there are no guarantees why would I want someone who inherited a good situation and made it worse?  At least him, Herman and even Charlie turned things around?

[Nope 3111]

6 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

I want Urban Meyer.

I am preparing myself for getting Matt Campbell.  

You just want your user name to sound cooler.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

What attributes does the University value in the program and in what order? Start there.

i feel it's important to remind you that you share your stated position with only one other poster on this board: @Randolph Duke.

are you comfortable with that fact?

[closetojumping 62126]

14 hours ago, Longboard Horn said:

OU will NOT win out. They’ll lose to Okie state and maybe one more team that they’re not supposed to. 

Catching up on some things, including this post. Mike Gundy would give a rimjob to an angry rhino if you told him that another OSU choking loss to OU was hiding inside that rhino's ass.

30 minutes ago, texashorn13 said:

I also posted this in the Quinn Ewers thread in Recruiting...

On 104.9, Trey Elling just said that he's hearing in recruiting circles that Herman has been saying some negative things about Ewers, and that stuff got back to the Ewers family and that's how all of this came about.  Also said that Herman made no effort to rectify the comments or keep him committed.  I'm officially on the "he knows his fate and he's burning the place down on his way out."

It was a totally WTF moment. 

Elling is wrong, at least regarding the main issues with why Ewers waved the deuce and headed for the exit. 

[closetohumping 17379]

1 minute ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

i feel it's important to remind you that you share your stated position with only one other poster on this board: @Randolph Duke.

are you comfortable with that fact?

No.  I think Florence Nightengale hates the Urbs too?

[closetojumping 62126]

Just now, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

i feel it's important to remind you that you share your stated position with only one other poster on this board: @Randolph Duke.

are you comfortable with that fact?

In the words of the Virgin Mary, come again? You left GreenspointTX completely off your list. That dude will be fedexing you, because he can afford it, a strongly worded letter on the omission shortly. 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Catching up on some things, including this post. Mike Gundy would give a rimjob to an angry rhino if you told him that another OSU choking loss to OU was hiding inside that rhino's ass.

Elling is wrong, at least regarding the main issues with why Ewers waved the deuce and headed for the exit. 

we're heading into november, which is when you typically tell us that certain players are bad-mouthing the program. so...?

[B00M 6268]

4 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

For normal people it makes zero sense to burn bridges like that but it would for the Tom Herman that CTJ and others have alluded too. Arrogant/Dumb enough to think that it would not get back around to him and uninspired enough to not make up for the mistake. 

Would Ewers actively recruit against his child hood dream school that he is currently committed to and change direction out of nowhere without some kind of clash with TH and the staff?

We all know there's a coaching change happening in the next 1-2 years. The sooner the better obviously... Ewers is probably bummed he had to make this decision but it's a rational one. And now he should absolutely recruit players he's already got good connections with to maximize his future performance and value. What would you do if you were Ewers? C'mon.

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26223]

3 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

We have started there.  Graduation rates and pretending we’re Stanford are pretty far down the order.  

If we don't want to be Stanford that's pretty fucking sad. And if football is the reason why we don't, then the program is doing the University a disservice. A handful of people in Houston with fractional superyacht ownership who put winning as an outcome ahead of institutional values is how we hired the guy we have. Should we do it again?

1 minute ago, closetohumping said:

So if there are no guarantees why would I want someone who inherited a good situation and made it worse?  At least him, Herman and even Charlie turned things around?

Shaw didn't make it worse, that's silly. Or if he did make it worse, it took him 7 years. 

Harbaugh:

4-8, 5-7, 8-5, 11-1

Shaw:

11-2, 12-2, 11-3, 8-5, 12-2, 10-3, 9-5, 9-4, 4-8

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

In the words of the Virgin Mary, come again? You left GreenspointTX completely off your list. That dude will be fedexing you, because he can afford it, a strongly worded letter on the omission shortly. 

how could i forget the guy that was the president of the student nursing association? 

i'm going to take some time off and re-evaluate some things.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

also, @closetojumping, if you wanted to start a rumor that the brocks are back in play if herman is fired and urban is hired quickly, i'm not going to look down on you for it.

[closetohumping 17379]

2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

If we don't want to be Stanford that's pretty fucking sad. And if football is the reason why we don't, then the program is doing the University a disservice. A handful of people in Houston with fractional superyacht ownership who put winning as an outcome ahead of institutional values is how we hired the guy we have. Should we do it again?

Shaw didn't make it worse, that's silly. Or if he did make it worse, it took him 7 years. 

Harbaugh:

4-8, 5-7, 8-5, 11-1

Shaw:

11-2, 12-2, 11-3, 8-5, 12-2, 10-3, 9-5, 9-4, 4-8

So first three years are with Jim's players?  

[Tex Pete 20135]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

If we don't want to be Stanford that's pretty fucking sad. And if football is the reason why we don't, then the program is doing the University a disservice. A handful of people in Houston with fractional superyacht ownership who put winning as an outcome ahead of institutional values is how we hired the guy we have. Should we do it again?

Shaw didn't make it worse, that's silly. Or if he did make it worse, it took him 7 years. 

Harbaugh:

4-8, 5-7, 8-5, 11-1

Shaw:

11-2, 12-2, 11-3, 8-5, 12-2, 10-3, 9-5, 9-4, 4-8

Shaw has completely crashed that program into the mountain. Shaw was handed a very strong program that he has destroyed. They have had tons of players leave because their staff is so shitty.

Not sure why anyone would want to jump out of the frying pan and into the fire.

[mdmost 42747]

4 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

If we don't want to be Stanford that's pretty fucking sad. And if football is the reason why we don't, then the program is doing the University a disservice. A handful of people in Houston with fractional superyacht ownership who put winning as an outcome ahead of institutional values is how we hired the guy we have. Should we do it again?

Shaw didn't make it worse, that's silly. Or if he did make it worse, it took him 7 years. 

Harbaugh:

4-8, 5-7, 8-5, 11-1

Shaw:

11-2, 12-2, 11-3, 8-5, 12-2, 10-3, 9-5, 9-4, 4-8

You may want Shaw but why would Shaw want to come here? He knows what is expected if you are the HFBC of Texas. It's not like it is at Stanford. You want it to be that way but it won't be and never has been. 

Edited October 29, 2020 by mdmost

[sith_horn 2367]

I suggest CDC look to my Director of Operations' handling of such matters ...

 

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26223]

Just now, closetohumping said:

So first three years are with Jim's players?  

Yes, and as you know, there are no examples of coaches losing with good players they inherited, er, wait  ...

[TwiceHorn 31178]

2 hours ago, Bill Lumbergh said:

My list if Meyer says no looks something like this:

- anger
- depression
- alcoholism
- hardcore drug experimentation
- lose job/home/family as life spirals like a Tom Herman recruiting class
- get it together and go to rehab
- start fresh
- get stable enough to reengage with Texas sports and realize we're still a dumpster fire with whatever g5 coach we hired
- fall off wagon
- start process over

You left out

- collect underpants

- ???????

-profit

[Bozo_Casanova 26223]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

You may want Shaw but why would Shaw want to come here? He knows what is expected if you are the HFBC of Texas. It's not like it is at Stanford. You want it to be that way but it won't and never has been. 

Completely agree. I don't think Shaw would come here. 

[Not a Sock 2308]

52 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I don’t want Urban Meyer. 

Here’s my list:

1) David Shaw

2) Harsin

3) Campbell

4) Fleck

This is a fucking trash list and you should fuck your own face.

[closetohumping 17379]

2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Yes, and as you know, there are no examples of coaches losing with good players they inherited, er, wait  ...

Wait, so why do I want Shaw again?  He inherited an A situation and has turned it into a B- situation.  Why not go for someone who's taken a shitty situation and turned it into a winner?

[TejasPedro 1849]

Can we hire Meyer now as Assistant AD. In charge of QC. His sole duty would be to monitor Shenanigans, insubordination and subversive behavior?

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

7 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

If we don't want to be Stanford that's pretty fucking sad. And if football is the reason why we don't, then the program is doing the University a disservice. A handful of people in Houston with fractional superyacht ownership who put winning as an outcome ahead of institutional values is how we hired the guy we have. Should we do it again?

Shaw didn't make it worse, that's silly. Or if he did make it worse, it took him 7 years. 

Harbaugh:

4-8, 5-7, 8-5, 11-1

Shaw:

11-2, 12-2, 11-3, 8-5, 12-2, 10-3, 9-5, 9-4, 4-8

uhhh, wut.

[Bozo_Casanova 26223]

1 minute ago, closetohumping said:

Wait, so why do I want Shaw again?  He inherited an A situation and has turned it into a B- situation.  Why not go for someone who's taken a shitty situation and turned it into a winner?

Like Matt Campbell? He's on my list. 

[hayden_horn 11360]

38 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

The unbridled confidence that we basically have Urban locked up is awesome, hilarious, disturbing, but not really surprising.  

we won't know for sure until he is paged at abia