Tom "the turtle" Herman [Lame Duck or greatest 5d chess player ever?]

[Tex-19 3013]

1 minute ago, Bigbend1812 said:

This is beyond sad and a big reason why he needs to be fired.  I’m glad we won.  it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t fire Herman today.  Nice parting gift!  Yay you beat OSU.

How many true road games against top 10 teams have we even had in the last 10 years? With OU being neutral field, I'm guessing very few

[Mitch Cumsteen 18998]

8 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

How many true road games against top 10 teams have we even had in the last 10 years? With OU being neutral field, I'm guessing very few

Exactly. It's a sad comment on the conference. 

[Dbeasy 15613]

Man, the more I think about it and observe the offense, I think Herman's brief stint at OSU ruined him.
He mistook the institutional advantages there (good recruiting, ease of recruiting, great head coach and solid assistants) for his own brilliance.  And he thinks what he did there can and should be duplicated wherever he goes.
 

I was also thinking about his background. He studied under some significantly flawed coaches like Greg Davis, and then walked into a perfect situation. It gave him a false sense of confidence. He may never learn.

[BurntOrange&White 42008]

2 hours ago, Ricky Butler said:

The “control our own destiny” talk makes me laugh. Oh you mean like we do at the start of every season? Our problem is and has been consistently playing good football. 

Even when we win we look like complete shit. It’s not even good football. 

[BurntOrange&White 42008]

33 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

First true road win against a top 10 team in over a decade

 

let em celebrate for now

Yay we beat a team who’s coach shits the bed more than Tom Herman!!!!!

[ztejas 44283]

24 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

How many true road games against top 10 teams have we even had in the last 10 years? With OU being neutral field, I'm guessing very few

This was our 6th since Nebraska in 2010. So about once every 2 years.

[BurntOrange&White 42008]

3 minutes ago, ztejas said:

This was our 6th since Nebraska in 2010. So about once every 2 years.

So not that impressive or a stat/fact

[ztejas 44283]

4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

So not that impressive or a stat/fact

I'm trying to think of the 5 losses. Probably a Baylor and TCU loss in there somewhere. Notre Dame 2015 I think. Was okie lite in 2011 in Stillwater? KState was top 10 in 2012.

That might be the 5 right there, so it's possible it's been like 4 or 5 years since we played a top 10 team on the road.

2011 okie lite was at home. The 5 are:

2012 @KSt

2013 @Baylor

2015 @TCU (Domer was #11 that year)

2017 @USC (who was hilariously #4) and @TCU

 

Edited November 1, 2020 by ztejas

[Irish Wrist Watch 1503]

Let me know when he figures out how to use a fullback.

[BurntOrange&White 42008]

Just now, Irish Wrist Watch said:

Let me know when he figures out how to use a fullback.

He can’t even figure out what running back, tight end, or wide receivers to use. How the hell do you expect him to figure out a fullback?

[Not a cat 5819]

Maybe this should go in the urban or bust thread, but the two non urban coaches I've seen mentioned as the most realistic choices (franklin and fleck) are 0-4 and have looked like dog shit in the process.   To put it in surly terms, it's 1:50 am, last call was just announced, we're drunk and horny, and there is exactly one hot chick in the bar.  

[BurntOrange&White 42008]

Tom is doomed

 

 

[Nicole44 22326]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Tom is doomed

 

 

I see what they did there. Thanks ABC/Espn. We see you! Lol! 

[dcar00 14995]

6 minutes ago, Not a cat said:

Maybe this should go in the urban or bust thread, but the two non urban coaches I've seen mentioned as the most realistic choices (franklin and fleck) are 0-4 and have looked like dog shit in the process.   To put it in surly terms, it's 1:50 am, last call was just announced, we're drunk and horny, and there is exactly one hot chick in the bar.  

Fleck is a no go.  Franklin has a resume in P5 at 2 schools. I'd give coaches that have a good P5 resume a pass for this year. He'd be in a group of maybe 3 I'd take if we can't get Urban.

[Butch Had Not 3065]

9 minutes ago, Not a cat said:

Maybe this should go in the urban or bust thread, but the two non urban coaches I've seen mentioned as the most realistic choices (franklin and fleck) are 0-4 and have looked like dog shit in the process.   To put it in surly terms, it's 1:50 am, last call was just announced, we're drunk and horny, and there is exactly one hot chick in the bar.  

We're getting the undefeated Indiana coach and you're gonna like it.

[WhatTheBuck 28940]

9 minutes ago, Not a cat said:

To put it in surly terms, it's 1:50 am, last call was just announced, we're drunk and horny, and there is exactly one hot chick in the bar.  

That's when you're settling for the fat chick. 

[BurntOrange&White 42008]

Nm34

Edited November 1, 2020 by BurntOrange&White

[mdmost 44110]

1 minute ago, Butch Had Not said:

We're getting the undefeated Indiana coach and you're gonna like it.

No, we're getting Luke Fickell. 

[FunkSoulBrother 977]

Good win yesterday. As far as the Urban stuff goes, I ain't freaking out unless Nahlin or the GC says something otherwise.

[Surly Bevo 25778]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how we have been in 3 OT games this year.  We played in one of the earliest OT games in Texas-OU 1996 and then didn't play in another OT game until 2013 (Mack's first and only one here). Charlie had us in a couple.  This motherfucker has had us in 6 OT games in 3.5 seasons.

[Thiefery 5112]

Just now, Surly Bevo said:

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how we have been in 3 OT games this year.  We played in one of the earliest OT games in Texas-OU 1996 and then didn't play in another OT game until 2013 (Mack's first and only one here). Charlie had us in a couple.  This motherfucker has had us in 6 OT games in 3.5 seasons.

Winning is hard?

[Hank Chinaski 6363]

1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said:

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how we have been in 3 OT games this year.  We played in one of the earliest OT games in Texas-OU 1996 and then didn't play in another OT game until 2013 (Mack's first and only one here). Charlie had us in a couple.  This motherfucker has had us in 6 OT games in 3.5 seasons.

Well we went to OT with OU because Tom didn't have the sense or the balls to try to win it in regulation.

[BurntOrange&White 42008]

16 minutes ago, Not a cat said:

Maybe this should go in the urban or bust thread, but the two non urban coaches I've seen mentioned as the most realistic choices (franklin and fleck) are 0-4 and have looked like dog shit in the process.   To put it in surly terms, it's 1:50 am, last call was just announced, we're drunk and horny, and there is exactly one hot chick in the bar.  

Imo if we don’t get Urban we should hire Tony Elliott. I think that dude is a damn good coach and has learned from one of the best in Dabo. 
 

but people here say we HAVE to hire a coach with prior head coach experience. 

[mdmost 44110]

5 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how we have been in 3 OT games this year.  We played in one of the earliest OT games in Texas-OU 1996 and then didn't play in another OT game until 2013 (Mack's first and only one here). Charlie had us in a couple.  This motherfucker has had us in 6 OT games in 3.5 seasons.

3-3 in those OT games. 

[dcar00 14995]

2 hours ago, gmr548 said:

It’d be Texas and OU by virtue of the 2-1 records. That’s not happening though. That Texas team out there didn’t really look any better. They’ll lose again.

KSU in Manhattan is a for sure loss.  they'll have that QB going by then and Kleimann is going to coach circles around our dipshit.

[westexhorn 2167]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Imo if we don’t get Urban we should hire Tony Elliott. I think that dude is a damn good coach and has learned from one of the best in Dabo. 
 

but people here say we HAVE to hire a coach with prior head coach experience. 

If he impresses in the interview as much as Mack did

[Bill Lumbergh 7351]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how we have been in 3 OT games this year.  We played in one of the earliest OT games in Texas-OU 1996 and then didn't play in another OT game until 2013 (Mack's first and only one here). Charlie had us in a couple.  This motherfucker has had us in 6 OT games in 3.5 seasons.

It's a symptom of Herman's style and the big 12.

If we're behind, he still plays offense conservatively until/unless we fall behind by +1 score, and only then does he open it up. We're usually good enough to come back when we play aggressively, but as soon as we get close or take a lead, we play conservatively again.

Same if we get a +1 score lead. We just hope to sit on that in an offense heavy league.

The style of play almost guarantees games that are tight at the end, and those games have a higher likelihood of going to OT (as well as a higher likelihood of damaging my liver).

[edwardsr5 0]

6 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

KSU in Manhattan is a for sure loss.  they'll have that QB going by then and Kleimann is going to coach circles around our dipshit.

That QB is out for the year

[Nicole44 22326]

If no Urban, then a competent coaching search would at least be nice: interview As many as we can. Hearing from coaches with experience and their views on how to turn the program around can only be beneficial. I just want to win—convincingly and consistently. I want our players to be developed. I want our recruits to be excited to play here. 
 

If not Urban, I have no idea who we will target. Coaches I would at least like to “interview” (notice I didn’t say select—just interview) are Fickell and Chadwell (yes—the new HC of Coastal Carolina). I would like to at least have them be interviewed. We can pick the OC of Clemson or whomever at the end of the day.  As long as we do a real search with legit candidates and coaches who are on the rise. Jmo. I am not giving Fleck a pass for the poor decision he made in OT. Not at all, but to say he’s now a terrible coach at a program that up until last year hasn’t won as many games since 1905 is bullshit. Not saying he’s even a good fit here. But we should interview a lot of the ones who have been successful and have ideas. 
 

Fleck has had 8 plus starters out with Covid the past two weeks (all of special teams and most of the Oline). To hear Herman make excuses about Covid after the game yesterday, in year four, is a joke. 
 

will still never root for our school to lose. Ever. But Herman’s got to go. It’s time. 

[Bill Lumbergh 7351]

Imo if we don’t get Urban we should hire Tony Elliott. I think that dude is a damn good coach and has learned from one of the best in Dabo. 
 
but people here say we HAVE to hire a coach with prior head coach experience. 

2016: Imo if we don’t get (I don't remember the other popular names) we should hire Tom Herman. I think that dude is a damn good coach and has learned from one of the best in Urban. 
 

but people here say we HAVE to hire a coach with prior P5 head coach experience.

I'm not saying you're wrong about Elliott, but our history with the high risk/high reward hires over the last decade is why some of us would prefer a different direction with this hire.

Muschamp was an absolutely elite coordinator as well. Sometimes they transition well and sometimes they don't.

[GreenspointTexas 9992]

1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

this is the CDC y u no fire herman thread.  go play in the Tom Herman shits rose petals thread.

Oh i agree. But just trying to be somewhat positive

 

can someone so a side-by-side of last nights locker room celebration and this vid, plz?

 

 

[LTtxfan 50035]

5 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

If no Urban, then a competent coaching search would at least be nice: interview As many as we can. Hearing from coaches with experience and their views on how to turn the program around can only be beneficial. I just want to win—convincingly and consistently. I want our players to be developed. I want our recruits to be excited to play here. 
 

Love the passion...

NO WAY you can interview a large number of candidates -- not realistic for hiring the next Head Football Coach at TEXAS...

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

I refuse to even entertain a coaching search that doesn’t start and end with CUM.

[Bozo_Casanova 26907]

Stahp 

[BurntOrange&White 42008]

2 minutes ago, Bill Lumbergh said:

 

 

2016: Imo if we don’t get (I don't remember the other popular names) we should hire Tom Herman. I think that dude is a damn good coach and has learned from one of the best in Urban. 
 

but people here say we HAVE to hire a coach with prior P5 head coach experience.

I'm not saying you're wrong about Elliott, but our history with the high risk/high reward hires over the last decade is why some of us would prefer a different direction with this hire.

Muschamp was an absolutely elite coordinator as well. Sometimes they transition well and sometimes they don't.

 

Because we go get a hot name coach. 
 

Counter points:

Lincoln Riley

Kirby Smart

Bob Stoops

Dabo Swinney 

Barry Switzer

Ed Orgeron(only here because he won a title)

David Shaw

Ryan Day 

 

 

 

 

[taybo20 3042]

18 minutes ago, edwardsr5 said:

That QB is out for the year

Do they have anyone left? 

[Nicole44 22326]

Just now, LTtxfan said:

Love the passion...

NO WAY you can interview a large number of candidates -- not realistic for hiring the next Head Football Coach at TEXAS...

Passion is me though. I’m passionate about life. Made a ton of bad decisions because of that passion. But like a lot of y’all I have lost that passion for UT football over the last decade plus. I’ll get excited about a game  from time to time, but yeah, it’s dormant now. And if fans like me have lost touch with our passion for UT football it’s ridiculous I guess to expect a recruit to have it. If it’s not Urban, the name of the New hire won’t move the needle for a bunch of us initially. But if that new hire has a plan and executes it and brings us back to where we should be and develops our players then I will find that passion again. I just don’t want a fraud. Strong was overwhelmed and a poor fit—but he wasn’t a charlatan. He wasn’t an arrogant asshole telling us how stupid we are and how smart he is. Herman—I have had enough of. This is our house Tom! (Like those commercials). We don’t like ya—GTFO. (Sorry Eddie Murphy—had to mess with that a bit.) 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Stahp 

Too premature?

[BurntOrange&White 42008]

Just now, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Too premature?

I was hoping to get CUM sooner rather than later. 

[ztejas 44283]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Because we go get a hot name coach. 
 

Counter points:

Lincoln Riley

Kirby Smart

Bob Stoops

Dabo Swinney 

Barry Switzer

Ed Orgeron(only here because he won a title)

David Shaw

Ryan Day 

 

 

 

 

Orgeron is about to get canned. Smart and Stoops were chronic underachievers that couldn't win on the biggest stage - except when Stoops was still rolling out Blake's guys. David Shaw? Shouldn't be our standard. Day and Riley both inherited the program so those shouldn't count. 

[Bill Lumbergh 7351]

Because we go get a hot name coach. 
 
Counter points:
Lincoln Riley
Kirby Smart
Bob Stoops
Dabo Swinney 
Barry Switzer
Ed Orgeron(only here because he won a title)
David Shaw
Ryan Day 
 
 
 
 

I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm saying we're not very good at it.

One big difference I see in several names on that list is there was a coach who knows excellence involved in vetting these candidates.

If you told me Nick Saban was retiring and had hand selected a young up and comer as the guy to replace him, I'd be more bought in to the choice.

I think we absolutely suck at those evaluations, so don't trust us to appropriately vet Elliott or anyone else.

At least a proven P5 coach removes some of the unknowns.

[TX SPLEEN 14]

At least we will fire Herb Hand at the end of the year.

[BurntOrange&White 42008]

6 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Orgeron is about to get canned. Smart and Stoops were chronic underachievers that couldn't win on the biggest stage - except when Stoops was still rolling out Blake's guys. David Shaw? Shouldn't be our standard. Day and Riley both inherited the program so those shouldn't count. 

So no coach ever should be hired anywhere  without prior experience? At this point you’re just making excuses as to why not and is part of the reason we have been a failure in hiring since DKR. 
 

Id gladly take Smart and Stoops “underachieving” over anything we have had from 85-00 and 2010-current. 
 

 

Edited November 1, 2020 by BurntOrange&White

[mdmost 44110]

Just now, ztejas said:

Orgeron is about to get canned.

He is?

[Cajun 11780]

No he's not

[Elmer_Fudd 23033]

48 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

KSU in Manhattan is a for sure loss.  they'll have that QB going by then and Kleimann is going to coach circles around our dipshit.

And it might be snowing.

[C-Man 27829]

Just checking in to make sure CDC hasn't extended this fuckstick this morning.

[Wanker Bob 379]

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Even when we win we look like complete shit. It’s not even good football. 

Only Alabama and Clemson with Lawrence consistently look good. Every other team is great one week and complete shit the next. Some just manage to sneak a win out even when looking like shit. 

It's why I hate college football and giving it a chance this year just reaffirmed that. Also the playoff system with only 4 teams made it worse and made the gap wider. It's Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio State getting all the top players in the country every year and it's not even close. Then they make the playoffs even if they lose a game or two because it's by committee and the committee knows those three get the best players in the country every year. So those 3 always get showcased in the playoffs and therefore always get the best players for the next year. Texas is out of that loop and unless it gets a coach that cuts into that three team share for the top talent it'll never change. 

The NFL is FAR superior because of the hard cap and draft situation. It's why an ok schematic coach like Saban can post up and out talent everyone in college but got his shit pushed in once the field was level in the NFL. 

[Wanker Bob 379]

Tom Herman isn't that bad of a coach. He's just getting one or two five stars a year while the top three teams get double digits every year

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 minute ago, Wanker Bob said:

Only Alabama and Clemson with Lawrence consistently look good. Every other team is great one week and complete shit the next. Some just manage to sneak a win out even when looking like shit. 

It's why I hate college football and giving it a chance this year just reaffirmed that. Also the playoff system with only 4 teams made it worse and made the gap wider. It's Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio State getting all the top players in the country every year and it's not even close. Then they make the playoffs even if they lose a game or two because it's by committee and the committee knows those three get the best players in the country every year. So those 3 always get showcased in the playoffs and therefore always get the best players for the next year. Texas is out of that loop and unless it gets a coach that cuts into that three team share for the top talent it'll never change. 

The NFL is FAR superior because of the hard cap and draft situation. It's why an ok schematic coach like Saban can post up and out talent everyone in college but got his shit pushed in once the field was level in the NFL. 

This is a post a fan of Minnesota or some other middling program would make.

you sound like a wanker, bob.