Tom "the turtle" Herman [Lame Duck or greatest 5d chess player ever?]

[Herpa Derpa 6317]

1 hour ago, tokamak said:

Serious question: how many Big 12 programs would trade coaching staffs with us right now? Hell, I can think of several that would laugh in our face at that offer.

Not a one.

[Sgt Hulk 14330]

Vegas has Bye week favored by 6.5. Espn says they’ll win and cover 

[OU Sucks 9325]

1 minute ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Vegas has Bye week favored by 6.5. Espn says they’ll win and cover 

We're bound to lose at least two players to shoulder injuries against Bye.

[Sgt Hulk 14330]

Vegas has Bye week favored by 6.5. Espn says they’ll win and cover 

[Spawn of Cthulhu 2241]

1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

what he meant to say was "We HOPED TCU would run on us more."  because if they decided to attempt forward passes he knew we were fucked. 

Even the service academies would go 4 wide on our defense nearly every play.

[Guest Lobo]

Herman on pace to average 5 losses per season after three years.  
Texas football culture rules!!!

[Levi 2657]

Herman is having trouble managing the game because he’s constantly having to babysit other coaches. 

[TwiceHorn 31987]

2 minutes ago, DoneWithit said:

Herman is having trouble managing the game because he’s constantly having to babysit other coaches. 

I think there's a lot to this.  I think a veteran head coach, who has figured out how to delegate everything without the wheels falling off, can meddle extensively on one side of the ball or the other, but it's waaay too much for a newb like Herman.  

But I'm told he has "attention to detail," that Charlie Strong lacked.  So there's that.

[alphahorn 1637]

Look at what Rhule has done with his shitty recruiting classes in his three years 

[alphahorn 1637]

13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think there's a lot to this.  I think a veteran head coach, who has figured out how to delegate everything without the wheels falling off, can meddle extensively on one side of the ball or the other, but it's waaay too much for a newb like Herman.  

But I'm told he has "attention to detail," that Charlie Strong lacked.  So there's that.

I don’t buy this at all. Riley is head coach and offensive coordinator. He makes sure his side of the ball excels and fires the guy responsible for the other side if it doesn’t measure up. It ain’t hard. We have too many enablers who won’t to make excuses for a poor leader

[El Squared 1838]

46 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's another issue.  There were slim pickins at the time.

I sure like Chris Klieman's resume.  But he was too busy wining FCS NCs back then.

No question. Who was out there ?

there is a lot more parity in the league with re- emergence of Baylor, KSU, ISU, etc

This makes it crucial to get someone who is into fundamentals of football with proven coordinators and position coaches.

[TwiceHorn 31987]

14 minutes ago, alphahorn said:

I don’t buy this at all. Riley is head coach and offensive coordinator. He makes sure his side of the ball excels and fires the guy responsible for the other side if it doesn’t measure up. It ain’t hard. We have too many enablers who won’t to make excuses for a poor leader

That's possible, too.  Not sure Riley is a good example.  He stepped into command of a pretty well-oiled machine that he'd been part of for a couple of years.  He just had to do what Bobby did, and fire his brother. 

Also, my comment was in no way intended to excuse or enable Herman (as if anything I think or say has any impact on him at all).  It was a comment on potential difficulties that cause head coaches to fail, which is an endlessly fascinating topic since I get to observe it so frequently.

Edited October 27, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[Wally Pryor 5388]

2 hours ago, MirrOlure said:

I’d have a hard time not cheering for North Carolina

Really?   Trace it back to that clown Brown in December 2013 and we wouldn't be hand wringing this shit right now.   Fucker sabotaged the program by deciding to go "recruiting" in Florida and the rest is history and what we are dealing with today.

[MirrOlure 15185]

Really?   Trace it back to that clown Brown in December 2013 and we wouldn't be hand wringing this shit right now.   Fucker sabotaged the program by deciding to go "recruiting" in Florida and the rest is history and what we are dealing with today.

Yeah, well last time we didn’t suck donkey balls, he was the coach. So until there’s not that, there’s that.

[alphahorn 1637]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's possible, too.  Not sure Riley is a good example.  He stepped into command of a pretty well-oiled machine that he'd been part of for a couple of years.  He just had to do what Bobby did, and fire his brother. 

Yeah but that wasn’t easy. He had to have the balls to fire the brother of the guy who set him up. But he showed he’s a leader and he did what he had to do

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

1 hour ago, Zavala said:

Who would've been the better hire?

I remember shouting from the mountain tops that I wanted Dan Mullen. You could argue that he hasn’t been better than Herman at Florida, but he’s definitely a better coach IMO. 

Edited October 27, 2019 by youdunnf'dup

[Sandlot 2]

5 minutes ago, Wally Pryor said:

Really?   Trace it back to that clown Brown in December 2013 and we wouldn't be hand wringing this shit right now.   Fucker sabotaged the program by deciding to go "recruiting" in Florida and the rest is history and what we are dealing with today.

The way to do it was how Bob Stoops did it. 

[El Squared 1838]

Mentard can double down on his arrogance and lack of accountability because......he can. 

He is too costly to shitcan and he knows that. While he may appear to be shell shocked or shaken he is laughing and counting money every time he blinks. And there is essentially nothing that can be done about him or his crew unless he goes along with it. 

[TwiceHorn 31987]

2 minutes ago, youdunnf'dup said:

I remember shouting from the mountain tops that I wanted Dan Mullen. You could argue that he hasn’t been better than Herman at Florida, but he’s definitely a better coach IMO. 

Yeah, that's a name that occurs to me.

Why would anyone say he hasn't been better than Herman?  He's 17-4.  Tommy's 15-7 in the same span, and 17-10 in his first two.

[TwiceHorn 31987]

1 minute ago, El Squared said:

Mentard can double down on his arrogance and lack of accountability because......he can. 

He is too costly to shitcan and he knows that. While he may appear to be shell shocked or shaken he is laughing and counting money every time he blinks. And there is essentially nothing that can be done about him or his crew unless he goes along with it. 

Eh, I don't believe this. Hanlon's Razor.  Don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.

[Thetexashammer 1062]

6 minutes ago, MirrOlure said:

Yeah, well last time we didn’t suck donkey balls, he was the coach. So until there’s not that, there’s that.

The last time we didn't suck donkey balls was in January, and it was a beautiful thing.

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, that's a name that occurs to me.

Why would anyone say he hasn't been better than Herman?  He's 17-4.  Tommy's 15-7 in the same span, and 17-10 in his first two.

The only argument would’ve been who cares about his record because the sec east is actual hot garbage, but so is the big 12. So, kinda ruins that argument. He’s a better coach, and it’s crazy to me that they didn’t even consider him.

[Thetexashammer 1062]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's another issue.  There were slim pickins at the time.

I sure like Chris Klieman's resume.  But he was too busy wining FCS NCs back then.

Ohia State took Jim Tressel out of lower tier status. He won 6 Big 10 championships and one NC and then got fired for ethical stuff. Winners always seem to get fired for ethical stuff.  Cheating pays.

Edited October 27, 2019 by Thetexashammer

[ChiTownDoc 21325]

2 hours ago, futureman said:

dabo went 6-7 in year three with clemson, then went 10-4, 11-2, 11-2, 10-3, 14-1, 14-1, 12-2, 15-0.  don’t worry, guys, nattys are right around the corner. 

This MF is from the future.  I’ll leave it at that.  

[jinx 2636]

I'm not ready to fire Tom.  But I am on board the fire Orlando boat.  It literally can't get worse on defense.

This stat line tells me that Beck is calling plays again

21 rushes by RBs.  9 rushes by our QB.  48 pass attempts (only 22 completed).

This may get very ugly

[Let 'Em Hang 27]

5 minutes ago, jinx said:

This may get very ugly

I thought it already had?

[TexMexBuddha 994]

Fuck Casey Horny while we're at it. Horny is all that is wrong with Mensa. That data point said he was arrogant, short-sighted, and entitled. Herman can't grow here. He doesn't think he has to.

I am beginning to think we should not give him the time to figure it out.

[Augustus 3061]

2 hours ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Tom....ask yourself....if you were TCU, what is your best chance to move the ball on Texas' defense.... please tell me you didn't really believe that they would come out and just run the ball.  At least, don't admit that that's what you game planned for.

That's his way of saying, "I thought Patterson was as stupid as Gundy."

[Longboard Horn 41319]

I'm finally buying in full. We hired a fraud. He needs to go along with Todd Orlando and Tim Beck.

[BradInATX 9208]

He's such a nice guy though. Represents our university so well

[pearlandhorn 3343]

3 minutes ago, Longboard Horn said:

I'm finally buying in full. We hired a fraud. He needs to go along with Todd Orlando and Tim Beck.

Pretty sure that if Mensa is fired, no chance in fucking hell a new coach would think Beck and Orlando are worth a shit. Herman is fucking blind to not see that his coordinators and position coaches are fucking awful.

[Let 'Em Hang 27]

What is this, Groundhog Day?  Is John Mackovic our coach again?

[Tailgate 3054]

I was also trying to “wait it out” and see if we could turn it around.

Nope.

Same old shit we’ve seen for the last several years...except this guy assumes he knows more than anyone and his house of cards is about to fall. His attitude makes me want him gone now.

Edited October 27, 2019 by Tailgate

[Vic Mackey 47847]

Pretty sure that if Mensa is fired, no chance in fucking hell a new coach would think Beck and Orlando are worth a shit. Herman is fucking blind to not see that his coordinators and position coaches are fucking awful.

It's like a guy bringing his frat buddies to work for him and no matter how bad they are failing, he does not hold them accountable. Beck and Orlando are fucking awful. Reminds me of Mack with Greg Davis.

[dcar00 14904]

1 hour ago, jinx said:

I'm not ready to fire Tom.  But I am on board the fire Orlando boat.  It literally can't get worse on defense.

This stat line tells me that Beck is calling plays again

21 rushes by RBs.  9 rushes by our QB.  48 pass attempts (only 22 completed).

This may get very ugly

Im ready to fire Tom.    Maybe Malzahn would like a change a scenery and a chance to make the playoff?

[Pancho 46054]

Boy, Nahlin at IT is double and tripling down that Herman is the guy and will have success here. 

Bunch of people calling him out asking what makes him think that.   

Edited October 27, 2019 by Pancho

[dcar00 14904]

13 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Boy, Nahlin at IT is double and tripling down that Herman is the guy and will have success here. 

Bunch of people calling him out asking what makes him think that.   

those guys know shit all about football.  they just want an in with the staff.  until it is obvious the HC is going to be fired they will knob slob

[Let 'Em Hang 27]

[Monahorns 39]

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Boy, Nahlin at IT is double and tripling down that Herman is the guy and will have success here. 

Bunch of people calling him out asking what makes him think that.   

I don't trust people who pay money for bullshit.   Either way.

[Rimbo 26853]

4 hours ago, MirrOlure said:

I’d have a hard time not cheering for North Carolina

Just wait a damned minute here.

I want Herman gone. I've seen enough to know he isn't good enough to deserve the job. But that's just it; I don't need him losing to Mack to prove that he should be gone.

Mackovic beat Mack, that wasn't a reason to keep Mackovic around, either. Kinda apropos, since I see Herman as being Mackovic 2: Electric Lockerroo.

I'm still rooting for the team to win out, even as I know that's a lurid fantasy.

I haven't lowered myself to the level that I'll root against Texas to see a coach I don't like fired and I sure as shit ain't starting now.

Also, fuck Mack Brown for slacking off and the shitty way he left; I hope he loses every game by nine touchdowns.

[Longboard Horn 41319]

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36 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Boy, Nahlin at IT is double and tripling down that Herman is the guy and will have success here. 

Bunch of people calling him out asking what makes him think that.   

Nah Lin is a sharp guy.  But he was also one of the last to get off the Charlie train

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6 minutes ago, Longboard Horn said:

I’d rather never win a game than have him back

[SubliminalHorn 6995]

Time for Tom to go. Fire him and hire Urban. Real fucking simple. 

[Zavala 1384]

4 hours ago, youdunnf'dup said:

I remember shouting from the mountain tops that I wanted Dan Mullen. You could argue that he hasn’t been better than Herman at Florida, but he’s definitely a better coach IMO. 

Mullen has been awesome for Florida. He was kind of made for that job. He got lucky and Felipe got injured so finally he can find a QB with half a brain this year moving forward

[Longboard Horn 41319]

James gets it.

[Landomatic 3813]

I'm just enjoying not having to preface every post with, "I really want him to succeed because he's such a great guy, but..." before criticizing our head coach.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

2 minutes ago, Landomatic said:

I'm just enjoying not having to preface every post with, "I really want him to succeed because he's such a great guy, but..." before criticizing our head coach.

in that case I want us to hire James Franklin just to watch heads explode 

[Girdwood 118]

On 10/20/2019 at 3:18 AM, Girdwood said:

He’s not the guy. We really need to stop hiring from G5 programs. Find someone proven In a P5 conference with a high floor and see what they can do here with unlimited resources. 
 

Rhule is making noise at Baylor. He looks like a moron but he can coach circles around Herman. Gundy would be great but he can’t beat OU. Sweaty Fatterson would even do well here. All currently better options than Mensa.
 

We suck at hiring coaches. OU will own this conference for many many years to come if Riley sticks around and we keep Herman. He isn’t the answer.

Hi

[Apex73 313]

Once again, doesn’t work this way.  So glad none of you are in charge of making decisions.