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3 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Would you care to elaborate?

 

I think the issue is battery life cycle.  A NMC battery will putter out after significantly fewer charges than a LFP battery.  It's a slightly higher performer, but will need to be replaced much sooner.

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And depth of discharge. And general safety. And it basically degrades like shit even after getting to 80%, it falls off a cliff, lithium keeps going for a while. 

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13 minutes ago, immamac said:

And depth of discharge. And general safety. And it basically degrades like shit even after getting to 80%, it falls off a cliff, lithium keeps going for a while. 

 

Serious question: what type do other EVs use?

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2 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Serious question: what type do other EVs use?

It's a mix.

Tesla uses LFP for their shortrange model 3 and Y, and NMC for the longer range versions.  Rivian uses LFP.  Chevy Equinox and Blazer use NMC, Nissan Leaf has historically used NMC but is supposed to be switching to LFP in 2026, BMW i3 uses NMC.

 

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2 minutes ago, utee94 said:

It's a mix.

Tesla uses LFP for their shortrange model 3 and Y, and NMC for the longer range versions.  Rivian uses LFP.  Chevy Equinox and Blazer use NMC, Nissan Leaf has historically used NMC but is supposed to be switching to LFP in 2026, BMW i3 uses NMC.

 

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4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I think the issue is battery life cycle.  A NMC battery will putter out after significantly fewer charges than a LFP battery.  It's a slightly higher performer, but will need to be replaced much sooner.

 

4 hours ago, immamac said:

And depth of discharge. And general safety. And it basically degrades like shit even after getting to 80%, it falls off a cliff, lithium keeps going for a while. 

 

1 hour ago, utee94 said:

It's a mix.

Tesla uses LFP for their shortrange model 3 and Y, and NMC for the longer range versions.  Rivian uses LFP.  Chevy Equinox and Blazer use NMC, Nissan Leaf has historically used NMC but is supposed to be switching to LFP in 2026, BMW i3 uses NMC.

 

 

Hmmm. 

 

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1 hour ago, utee94 said:

It's a mix.

Tesla uses LFP for their shortrange model 3 and Y, and NMC for the longer range versions.  Rivian uses LFP.  Chevy Equinox and Blazer use NMC, Nissan Leaf has historically used NMC but is supposed to be switching to LFP in 2026, BMW i3 uses NMC.

 

Yeah, LFP has significantly lower energy density. It isn't technically ideal for a vehicle where density matters. But it is cheaper and doesn't mind sitting at 100% charge. I'm not sure why anyone would be up in arms about NMC. It is a good, battery chemistry for vehicles. You just have to avoid having it sit at 100% charge for extended periods of time. That said, it is an odd match for a product marketed around its low price.

The Nissan leaf originally used LMO, switched to NMC in 2017 or so, and looks to be switching to LFP for costs reasons. Most of its early problems weren't battery chemistry issues, but lack of active thermal management. 

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