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1 hour ago, chase25 said:

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Can you please post these facts you speak of?

 

1 hour ago, chase25 said:

No, people like you just use revisionist history and the old "players of old are better than the players today" shtick.

I don't give a flying fuck what the rules were and I'm not using CMP%, passing yards, Y/A, or any other arbitrary metric. How about the simple fundamental goal of football which is to score TDs.

Through the first 45 games of Aikman's career: 39 passing TDs, 55 INTs

Through the first 45 games of Dak's career: 62 passing TDs, 24 INTs

I don't care what "get off my lawn", "these guys today couldn't do what they are doing 20 years ago" old man argument you use. That isn't even close. Aikman was along for the ride on Cowboys teams that were built on elite defense and hand the ball to Emmitt 25-30 times a game. Not to mention Aikman always rose to the occasion in the postseason. He was Eli Manning before Eli Manning.

The only reason Troy is in the HOF is because he was a tough SOB and those teams he had around him from 1992-1996 were damn good.

bravo, dude.  bravo. 

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ESPN is reporting that Dak Prescott has asked to be moved to second string because he knows teammate Mike White would have "kicked Seattle's ass". He feels he can no longer continue "this charade" as

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bravo, dude.  bravo. 

Oh shit, sorry, I forgot that Mike White is the only QB better than Troy Aikman. Troy would be lucky to hold Mike's jock strap.

The point of the post was to show that comparing different eras is just as stupid as trying to compare HOF Player X to Player Y's not even 3 year career.

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Oh shit, sorry, I forgot that Mike White is the only QB better than Troy Aikman. Troy would be lucky to hold Mike's jock strap.

The point of the post was to show that comparing different eras is just as stupid as trying to compare HOF Player X to Player Y's not even 3 year career.

uh, and I was applauding your argument?  I’m on your side, bro.  aikman was not as good as dak and the stats prove it.  I’m agreeing with you. 

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1 hour ago, Mileslong said:

Yeah Troy the guy who got in the hall of fame and super bowl mvp just because he was a tough sob. Classic

The point of the post went over your head but I digress (see response to futureman). Troy was a 7/10 QB that played like a 9 in the playoffs and the fact that he had what should be a HOF coach and played for a Cowboys organization that was still run the correct way is why he won 3 Super Bowls. It wasn't because he was throwing the ball all around the yard and carrying the Cowboy's to titles.

See C-Man's post about what I'm talking about. There were better "QBs" in his era that simply didn't have the teams that Troy had.

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So Wentz might be done for the year. Foles steps in. Eagles now have the better QB in place to make a run, just like last year. And people still think we made a mistake not drafting that overrated media darling lmao. Front office can't be feeling too good about their injury prone QB at this point.

What happens if Foles yet again steps in and makes a run in Wentz's absence? 

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

I agree with some of chase's points. While a sure-fire HOF'er in my estimation, Aikman wouldn't be the first QB I'd take if I'm hand-picking somebody to build my team around. Brett Favre, Jim Kelly, Steve Young, John Elway and Dan Marino were all better QBs than Aikman save for maybe the back-to-back championship years. They were all asked to do more than Troy. But Aikman was very, very good when he needed to be. Let's not forget he played behind the best line in football and had weapons such as Emmitt, Irvin and Novacek on offense.

No, what you don't understand is that Troy never missed. His accuracy was as beautiful as watching Picasso take a brush across a canvas. Emmitt Smith didn't exist, that OLine was non existent, Michael Irvin was sub par at best, Novacek couldn't hold Geoff Swaim's jock strap, those Dallas defenses were cut through like swiss cheese, but thank god Troy Aikman was there to carry Dallas with that throwing arm that many call a rifle.

You nailed it, Troy raised his game in the post season, In Dallas' 3 Super Bowl runs he had 17 TDs and 4 INTs.

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So Wentz might be done for the year. Foles steps in. Eagles now have the better QB in place to make a run, just like last year. And people still think we made a mistake not drafting that overrated media darling lmao. Front office can't be feeling too good about their injury prone QB at this point.

What happens if Foles yet again steps in and makes a run in Wentz's absence? 

I've never understood the media love fest for Carson either

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So Wentz might be done for the year. Foles steps in. Eagles now have the better QB in place to make a run, just like last year. And people still think we made a mistake not drafting that overrated media darling lmao. Front office can't be feeling too good about their injury prone QB at this point.

What happens if Foles yet again steps in and makes a run in Wentz's absence? 

Foles is a starting NFL QB. If they keep playing Wentz over him he needs to get out of Philly. 

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No, what you don't understand is that Troy never missed. His accuracy was as beautiful as watching Picasso take a brush across a canvas. Emmitt Smith didn't exist, that OLine was non existent, Michael Irvin was sub par at best, Novacek couldn't hold Geoff Swaim's jock strap, those Dallas defenses were cut through like swiss cheese, but thank god Troy Aikman was there to carry Dallas with that throwing arm that many call a rifle.

You nailed it, Troy raised his game in the post season, In Dallas' 3 Super Bowl runs he had 17 TDs and 4 INTs.

You're closer to the truth than anybody. "Irving", as I like to call him, was a damned good receiver, however. Certainly not sub-par. He just had the it factor, and Troy was one of the most accurate passers ever. Nobody threw a tighter spiral. Novacek, Irvin and Harper had great hands, and Aikman always put the ball right on the money. They always caught it. At this point in his career, Aikman was a little better than Dak, but not by much.

 

In his rookie season, I thought Dak was very accurate. There are some questions about this season, although a couple of his long balls that missed might have been the receiver's fault. What QB doesn't miss on long balls? Aikman maybe? It's a pretty good bet that Dak needs a really good QB coach. And not having that all-star OLiine has him a little out of his rhythm.

 

As has been pointed out, it was Aikman's fourth season when he won a SB. That was a young team, but by the time they clinched the Division, then Conference, they coulda beat anybody. And they proved it. Maybe this year's team will gel at just the right time. We'll know more on Sunday. Would love to see that offense put together a string of sustained drives while Luck chills on the bench.

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59 minutes ago, Mileslong said:

what an interesting day, today i learned that players like troy aikman, roger staubach, james street, johnny unitas, bob griese etc were all average QB's because they didnt throw the ball all over the yard every game...

Everything just goes over your head, it is impossible to even have a discussion with you. It is called relating a QB to what their counter parts in their era were doing to what they were doing.

No way Mileslong, I had no idea that (insert HOF QB here)'s career body of work is better than Dak Prescott's not even 3 year career. Wow, mind blown, had no idea.

I never thought someone would say something dumb enough that it would have me trying to bring down Aikman. The guys you mentioned put up numbers that were at the top if not the best in the league at their time. Troy did not. I don't know why you threw James in there, James ran the wishbone, you can't even compare that to anything or really even call that playing QB. James was just a phenomenal football player period, guy would have run over his own mother to win.

I know you don't like this because it one of those arbitrary statistics but Dak is completing 66% of his passes which is good for this era. So sorry, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Troy was not "infinitely" more accurate than Dak. Obviously every QB's numbers from the past would look better if they played today given that you can hardly hit the QB, you can't hand check receivers until the ball is in the air, receivers don't have to worry about getting their head taken off over the middle, etc...

My point was not to say Dak is better than Troy. My point is don't re-write history if you are going to even try and compare them which is stupid to begin with. Don't try and compare Troy's 11 year HOF career to Dak's first 2 years and 13 games in the league which is what you attempted to do. Troy struggled to hit the bright side of a barn (albeit on some bad teams) his first 3 years in the league.

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Aikman's accuracy and timing were off the charts amazing.

I recently watched the 92 and 93 NFC championship games against Frisco, and it's incredible how often Irvin and Harper would make a cut and by the time they've looked back the ball's hitting their hands.  Irvin has said he could've run his routes blindfolded, raised his arms, and the ball would've hit him in the hands.

And I've never seen a more beautiful spiral than Aikman threw.

Not sure how comparisons between Dak and Aikman made it into this discussion, but those need to wait until Dak's had a few more  years in the league and hopefully a ring or two.  

Dak has the potential to be great.  I'm pulling for that to happen.

 

 

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Everything just goes over your head, it is impossible to even have a discussion with you. It is called relating a QB to what their counter parts in their era were doing to what they were doing.
No way Mileslong, I had no idea that (insert HOF QB here)'s career body of work is better than Dak Prescott's not even 3 year career. Wow, mind blown, had no idea.
I never thought someone would say something dumb enough that it would have me trying to bring down Aikman. The guys you mentioned put up numbers that were at the top if not the best in the league at their time. Troy did not. I don't know why you threw James in there, James ran the wishbone, you can't even compare that to anything or really even call that playing QB. James was just a phenomenal football player period, guy would have run over his own mother to win.
I know you don't like this because it one of those arbitrary statistics but Dak is completing 66% of his passes which is good for this era. So sorry, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Troy was not "infinitely" more accurate than Dak. Obviously every QB's numbers from the past would look better if they played today given that you can hardly hit the QB, you can't hand check receivers until the ball is in the air, receivers don't have to worry about getting their head taken off over the middle, etc...
My point was not to say Dak is better than Troy. My point is don't re-write history if you are going to even try and compare them which is stupid to begin with. Don't try and compare Troy's 11 year HOF career to Dak's first 2 years and 13 games in the league which is what you attempted to do. Troy struggled to hit the bright side of a barn (albeit on some bad teams) his first 3 years in the league.

Dude YOU are the one saying Aikman was just an average QB. That’s the main thing I took offense with and laughing at my point that he was way more accurate than Dak. How you can watch them play and not see that is beyond me.
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So Wentz might be done for the year. Foles steps in. Eagles now have the better QB in place to make a run, just like last year. And people still think we made a mistake not drafting that overrated media darling lmao. Front office can't be feeling too good about their injury prone QB at this point.

What happens if Foles yet again steps in and makes a run in Wentz's absence? 

I just don't think the Eagles are about to make a run, but I do agree with you on Wentz 

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Aikman's accuracy and timing were off the charts amazing.

I recently watched the 92 and 93 NFC championship games against Frisco, and it's incredible how often Irvin and Harper would make a cut and by the time they've looked back the ball's hitting their hands.  Irvin has said he could've run his routes blindfolded, raised his arms, and the ball would've hit him in the hands.

And I've never seen a more beautiful spiral than Aikman threw.

One thing I remember about Aikman was how spoiled I got re: the deep ball. 

If Irvin or Harper was running the fly route and you saw Aikman rock back in a clean pocket to let it fly deep, it's like you were already celebrating before the ball left his hand. 

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57 minutes ago, chase25 said:

What are the odds that this is Sean Lee's last season as a Cowboy? I love the guy but it is hard to keep taking that cap hit for a guy who can't stay healthy. Could move that money elsewhere on the defensive side.

His contract is very friendly for the Cowboys because much of it is built on availability and performance metrics 

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No, you take it with a grain of salt, the 1989 Dallas team was one of the worst football teams I have ever seen take a football field. That being said don't shit in my yard and tell me it is a chocolate cupcake. Don't tell me Troy Aikman was Chris Kyle with a football when that couldn't be further from the truth.
Only an idiot who didn't watch the game watched those 90's Cowboys teams an went "wow, Troy is just dicing defenses up, slinging the Cowboys to wins". Troy was Eli Manning. Pedestrian numbers and a guy who elevated his game when it mattered.
EDIT: And no I'm not saying that Dak is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I just laugh at the revisionist history that is used to discuss players who used to play and how all their deficiencies and ill's are forgotten.


This may be the dumbest post of this or TOS....ever.
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Any The Athletic bros got this article about LVE

https://theathletic.com/706119/2018/12/12/inside-the-cowboys-master-plan-to-draft-leighton-vander-esch/

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The master plan came together at The Star. It was New Year’s Eve and Leighton Vander Esch was having dinner at the Cowboys Club, a members-only restaurant overlooking the two outdoor Cowboys practice fields. There is also a Quarterback Club hidden on the back end of the club where you can watch practice in the indoor Ford Center facility.

That is where Vander Esch, a now-22-year old from Riggins, Idaho was getting his gameplan.

He sat with a group of five people that consisted of his parents, fiancee, agent and his dad’s hunting buddy.

Vander Esch wanted to get drafted by the Cowboys but knew his path to Dallas was far from guaranteed. The NFL draft is as unpredictable as the stock market. Just when you think a player will land somewhere, a team scoops him up earlier — or he falls 20 spots. Draft boards are complex puzzles which teams start constructing at the end of bowl season and adjust all through Draft Night, when the answers are finally revealed. The Cowboys had the 19th overall pick, and a team with holes to fill. The team needed wide receivers, safeties, linebackers, and offensive linemen. (Jason Witten had not yet retired, pushing tight end up the list of needs.)

But here was Vander Esch, looking at the pictures of Cowboys greats hung throughout The Star, knowing he belonged.

Vander Esch walked around the Cowboys Club understanding that his moment was coming.

“Then again, you get to know the Cowboys are bigger, that’s just part of it,” Vander Esch said. “That’s the special thing about ending up in a place like this.”

The Cowboys eventually got their man. He’s become a candidate for the NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year award and risen as a leader for a young defense that’s among the league’s best.

Taking Vander Esch at No. 19 took luck, a little skill and the belief he could play. It also was the product of insight from Cowboys VP of Personnel Will McClay, Vander Esch’s agent Ron Slavin, and —yes, Vander Esch himself, who delivered in numerous offseason workouts.

The process kicked off when Vander Esch signed with Slavin’s agency. Slavin had moved to Southlake, a suburb of Dallas, and developed strong relationships with the Cowboys, with whom he had a client — former cornerback Orlando Scandrick.

Vander Esch and his family were having dinner that New Year’s Eve after he signed, watching college football games and discussing the plan with the man who put things in motion.

“I told him he was a top-20 pick,” Slavin said. “This is where we need to be for a bunch of different reasons. It was a great place for him to come, I didn’t know at the time Jason Witten was going to retire but I always had in the back of my mind if he comes to the Cowboys he could be like that guy in Witten.”

After dinner, Vander Esch would fly to Phoenix to begin preparations for the combine and NFL team workouts.

On Jan. 5, Slavin arranged a phone call with Cowboys linebackers coach Ben Bloom.

“Pretty early on he was on my list of guys to interview at the combine,” Bloom said. “Do cutups and interact with him. When I had some exposure with the cutups and I watched him I said, ‘This guy fits our scheme and what we do.”

During the discussion, Bloom would go over the Cowboys defense. He discussed what the strong-side linebacker and weak-side backer would do in certain situations. He talked about the different calls a linebacker makes and the adjustments that come with facing fast-paced NFL offenses. Sean Lee was the Cowboys’ weak-side linebacker and the leader of the defense.

It was clear if the Cowboys were going to draft Vander Esch, he would be trained to eventually fill Lee’s substantial shoes.

Lee was a 2010 second-round pick from Penn State and was slated to become the next great linebacker from Linebacker U. Injuries hampered his career. He’s never played a full 16-game season, and in 2017 played in 11. He has only participated in five this season due to hamstring injuries.

Yet Lee remained a crucial component of the Cowboys’ defense. He has earned the respect of his teammates as a two-time Pro Bowler.

Lee learned the game from Keith Brooking and Bradie James, veteran linebackers who were ahead of him on the depth chart when he entered the league in 2010. And Lee, sensing his career or time with the Cowboys had a shelf life, did his homework like he always does.

“I always try to watch film of some of the new guys coming out and seeing how these young guys are and checking it out,” Lee said. “As the old guy, you always looking at the new guys coming in and what you got to compete with.”

The Cowboys met with Vander Esch at the National Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. They liked his size and the athletic ability he showed in making plays sideline-to-sideline. He had a high football IQ and the game didn’t seem too big for him.

When Vander Esch met with the Cowboys coaches, scouts and front office personnel, they already figured he was a fit for their defense.

So what was there to talk about?

Hunting and fishing. Vander Esch and his father hunted wolves in Alaska and in Idaho. There was a picture of Vander Esch holding a wolf from a hunting trip in Alaska with his dad. He showed this picture to the coaches.

It impressed another hunter in the Cowboys organization.

“I hunt, too. I love it,” said Stephen Jones, the Cowboys executive vice president. “I think it’s a good thing. It’s getting away from trouble when you’re out in the woods hunting. I take my son and it was obviously taken very positively (by the Cowboys). He grew up hunting and he was a fisherman and a hunter, His father was an outfitter, that’s what he did for a living. In my mind, I think in everybody else’s, it was a big plus for Leighton.”

The Cowboys have a bus. It’s driven to places like Oxnard, Calif., Mobile, Alabama, Indianapolis and other locations where Jerry Jones needs it. Business happens in this bus. At the combine in Indianapolis, Slavin was making his pitch to Stephen Jones.

Take Vander Esch.

“I knew a lot about him from Will,” Stephen Jones said. “Our guys spotted him a lot earlier (than the combine). He was a guy that was kind of a riser. People take him for a second-or-third type of rounds and the more he worked out and the more he did in Indy, the more we watched him, the more his stock went up.”

Slavin was conducting business with the Cowboys. It was time for the team to let Scandrick go so he could find another team, so Slavin was working on making that happen. He also wanted to speak about other clients in free agency. But he had this linebacker that played eight-man high school football in Riggins and became a star at Boise State who wanted to play for the Cowboys.

“This is a future Cowboy,” Slavin said to Jones. “And that’s Will McClay saying this too. I said he’s not going to be a sleeper, he’s going to be a first-round pick and Stephen kinda chuckled and said, ‘I’m excited to see him.’ ”

With the combine over, Bloom was sent to Boise, Idaho to conduct a private workout with Vander Esch. Bloom was to put Vander Esch through the standard linebacker drills. He arrived on campus during spring break with few people on campus. Bloom needed some help. He normally asks someone from the film department at a college to help tape the workout. Bloom will use an iPad or sometimes the school’s equipment for the workout. With spring break underway, Bloom had to improvise.

“Leighton’s dad (Darwin) was the only guy around and filmed it on my iPad and I was thankful he did because the workout was impressive,” Bloom said. “The drills we did in the workout are very similar to the drills we do in individual (with the Cowboys) and that’s the point. We do the stuff that we do and if I work on multiple people doing the same drills, it’s the same process Coach (Rod) Marinelli does with his D-Line and linebackers. Then it’s something you can compare and he stood out. Any reservation anybody had about him, I think it was confirmed from an athletic standpoint in that workout in terms of change of direction. His dad filmed it, then I had something to show Will McClay, coach (Jason) Garrett, Coach Marinelli and Coach (Kris) Richard.”

NFL teams are allowed 30 visits with college prospects and this is where Vander Esch needed to excel.

He arrived at The Star with 29 other prospects. The visits are relatively simple; meet the coaches, scouts, and personnel people, then tour the facility. The interview component, however, is much longer than the one at the combine. Of the 30 players in attendance, Vander Esch was the first to meet with Jerry Jones.

“Yeah, but I didn’t try to get caught up too much into that stuff cause you never know what’s going to happen,” Vander Esch said. “Just enjoying the moment, an opportunity to talk to Jerry Jones doesn’t come very often and (I) better make the most of it while it lasts.”

During the visit, Vander Esch met Witten and looked out on the practice fields, where he saw Lee working out alone.

After the workout, Lee came in and chatted with Vander Esch for 15 minutes.

“I knew he was one of the higher-ranked guys,” Lee said of Vander Esch. “I watched a little film on him (and) you could tell from the film how good of an athlete he was and the type of football player he was and I met him on the 30 visits. He’s a great guy, you could tell right off the bat and (we) spent the spring with him and stuff. You knew he was a great guy and he was going to be a great football player.”

All that was left was Draft Night.

Within the draft’s first round, the Cowboys were also interested in safety Derwin James and defensive tackle Vita Vea. Dallas liked two wide receivers early: Calvin Ridley and DJ Moore. But the team considered both to be second-round players. The Cowboys weren’t going to use a first-round pick on a wide receiver unless he was a No. 1. Ridley and Moore were viewed as No. 2 receivers.

“It’s hard, you got to be realistic,” Stephen Jones said. “You pretty much put your hands around it not always knowing what’s going to be realistic. There are a group of players that are probably going to be gone; (but) 10 of them you know you’re going to get, so you have them on your wish list. So you really zero in on the realistic opportunities. That doesn’t mean you don’t do the work on the others, in case they fall and that’s why the board is put up accordingly.”

Bloom sat nervously in his office at The Star. Jones sat anxiously in the team’s war room. Slavin stared at his phone.

As the first round progressed, Slavin considered that somebody would take Vander Esch before Dallas. Tennessee was picking No. 22 and he thought they might move up.

Vander Esch wasn’t sure what was going to happen.

“Absolutely, especially not in the first round,” he said. “Felt like so many different things happen on draft day. You never know where you will end up. I was just keeping my fingers crossed that I ended up here. It’s a family atmosphere here, they take care of each other — there is no better place.”

The Chargers took James, the safety from Florida State, at No. 17. Green Bay traded up with Seattle to get cornerback Jaire Alexander at No. 18. When that happened, Slavin received a text message from Cowboys College Scouting coordinator Chris Hall:  “Will McClay is on the phone with Leighton, we’re on the clock.”

Vander Esch was a Cowboy.

“Every single step of the way has been perfect,” Vander Esch said. “It’s been amazing; I couldn’t ask for anything more.”

Vander Esch has been one of the top players on a Dallas defense that has led this team to a two-game lead of first place in the NFC East with three games remaining.

He’s taken over the starting job from an injured Lee, though Jerry Jones expects the veteran to regain his starting job when he returns.

From the first dinner with his agent to the private workouts with Bloom, through being the first of the college prospects to meet with Jerry Jones, everything went according to plan.

“He was like ‘this is where you’re going to be,'” Vander Esch said of his dinner with Slavin. “I was like ‘yeah, I agree with you on that one.’ It was just cool sitting here a few months down the road after training and everything and putting the hard work in the draft process that I would end up here.”

 

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7 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

So Wentz might be done for the year. Foles steps in. Eagles now have the better QB in place to make a run, just like last year. And people still think we made a mistake not drafting that overrated media darling lmao. Front office can't be feeling too good about their injury prone QB at this point.

What happens if Foles yet again steps in and makes a run in Wentz's absence? 

So what are the Eagles options? If Foles finishes the season in style, could they join in the bidding war for him with a promise to trade Wentz. Or is Wentz seen as having a lot more upside, even if Foles wins out in 2018? Would Foles trust them? Seems we need to get Dak under contract before Foles signs with someone else. If Dak wants too much, we go after the ex-Chap?

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So what are the Eagles options? If Foles finishes the season in style, could they join in the bidding war for him with a promise to trade Wentz. Or is Wentz seen as having a lot more upside, even if Foles wins out in 2018? Would Foles trust them? Seems we need to get Dak under contract before Foles signs with someone else. If Dak wants too much, we go after the ex-Chap?

Wentz is their QB of the present and future, regardless.  Not only is he a better player but still should be cheaper.  Foles had a great playoff run but looked mediocre at best this year.  Someone will probably pay him as a starting QB, but really he’s probably better suited as a high grade backup.

As far as this year, they need to run the table and get some help... and no, we’re not going to sign foles unless Dak has something catastrophic happen.

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So now people are saying Aikman was average at best?  He was only good because he had Emmitt to hand to?

How many times have we heard that Emmitt was not that great, and he only got all those yards because of the OL?

An OL that consisted of guys from power houses such as Florida A&M, Emporia State, Central State, Sacramento State, and Hawaii.

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At Cowboys training camp in Austin in 89 I asked one of the free agent WRs who was better - Walsh or Aikman - and he immediately laughed and said "who do you think!" and then he said Aikman throws perfect strike fastballs like a pitcher.

You know, he never said Aikman was better I just assumed it. 

Aikman got rid of Alvin Harper because he was an unreliable route runner.

In 95 he really only had 1 wide receiver.  And no coach.

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At Cowboys training camp in Austin in 89 I asked one of the free agent WRs who was better - Walsh or Aikman - and he immediately laughed and said "who do you think!" and then he said Aikman throws perfect strike fastballs like a pitcher.

You know, he never said Aikman was better I just assumed it. 

Aikman got rid of Alvin Harper because he was an unreliable route runner.

In 95 he really only had 1 wide receiver.  And no coach.

Aikman lost every game he started in '89.

Walsh started far fewer games and actually won one in '89.


It was obvious that Aikman was the bigger guy with a stronger arm, but he sucked a lot of ass in '89. He couldn't take his eyes off his primary WR even to move out of the way of a blitzer coming right at him. Eventually Norv Turner created an offense that perfectly fit with Aikman's strengths.

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3 hours ago, ADHD said:

Go watch Aikman throw on YouTube . He was the fucking prototype. He & Elway.

 

3 hours ago, ADHD said:

^ and yes that seems racist. 

 

1 hour ago, ADHD said:

At Cowboys training camp in Austin in 89 I asked one of the free agent WRs who was better - Walsh or Aikman - and he immediately laughed and said "who do you think!" and then he said Aikman throws perfect strike fastballs like a pitcher.

You know, he never said Aikman was better I just assumed it. 

Aikman got rid of Alvin Harper because he was an unreliable route runner.

In 95 he really only had 1 wide receiver.  And no coach.

 

1 hour ago, ADHD said:

And he thought Roy Williams, as a Cowboy, was shit.

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