Dallas officer kills man after mistaking apartment for her own, police say

[Deej 76789]

Her social media posts seem to indicate there was nothing sudden about her passion. She seemed to have a lingering passion to shoot people. 

[TXSooner518 2438]

Her social media posts and texts are deplorable. That said, ever hear someone say "boy I'd kill some sumbitch if I caught em fucking my wife"?  Even if someone said that, and they then subsequently did walk in on someone fucking their wife and shot them dead, they would very likely get convicted of "sudden passion."

[DaysOff 7951]

I guess I don't understand our judicial system at all. Yesterday it was murder and 5-99. Now y'all are telling me that can change to 2-20.

[bernorange 8361]

They really going to argue that the mere presence of an intruder in someone's castle is "adequate cause"?  That it is sufficient "cause that would commonly produce a degree of anger, rage, resentment, or terror in a person of ordinary temper, sufficient to render the mind incapable of cool reflection"?  Because the intruder's mere existence was the only provocation established.  Fuck that noise.

[TwiceHorn 31469]

5 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

Her social media posts and texts are deplorable. That said, ever hear someone say "boy I'd kill some sumbitch if I caught em fucking my wife"?  Even if someone said that, and they then subsequently did walk in on someone fucking their wife and shot them dead, they would very likely get convicted of "sudden passion."

Yeah.  Most of this evidence shows that she's maybe not the greatest person and a little too wrapped up in a certain kind of cop self-image, but beyond that, doesn't seem particularly relevant to this particular crime.

That said, I don't think the jury should bite on sudden passion. 

Edited October 2, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[Fuck Tim Beck 3816]

Leg irons huh? Right now sex cop is thinking "damn I should have thought of that" 

[TwiceHorn 31469]

4 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

I guess I don't understand our judicial system at all. Yesterday it was murder and 5-99. Now y'all are telling me that can change to 2-20.

Why is it difficult to understand that, upon conviction for murder, which carries a range of 5 to 99, you may try to prove at sentencing that the murder was provoked, thereby reducing the sentencing range?

[Ellellelle 308]

Damn, this testimony is heart wrenching.

[bigup2dahorns 3343]

[smuggs 9353]

Sudden Passion absolutely has to be on Sex Cop's debut album.

[TwiceHorn 31469]

I would be fascinated to hear some kind of psychologist break down her personality.  I guess the straightforward analysis would be that she's a really fearful little person that's way overcompensating with bravado.  Seems like a really dangerous type to give a weapon and authority.

[Kermit 3156]

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

I would be fascinated to hear some kind of psychologist break down her personality.  I guess the straightforward analysis would be that she's a really fearful little person that's way overcompensating with bravado.  Seems like a really dangerous type to give a weapon and authority.

You just described a lot of police officers.

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

7 minutes ago, Ellellelle said:

Damn, this testimony is heart wrenching.

Yeah, this is hard to watch.  Can't imagine being on the jury about now.

[Fuck Tim Beck 3816]

3 minutes ago, smuggs said:

Sudden Passion absolutely has to be on Sex Cop's debut album.

As does Cavity search 

 

[HouTex 1867]

They really going to argue that the mere presence of an intruder in someone's castle is "adequate cause"?  That it is sufficient "cause that would commonly produce a degree of anger, rage, resentment, or terror in a person of ordinary temper, sufficient to render the mind incapable of cool reflection"?  Because the intruder's mere existence was the only provocation established.  Fuck that noise.

Under these facts it’s a bold move.

But the way you phrased it, the mere presence of a stranger in one’s home clearly can justify the use of deadly force against him/her in many circumstances.

[Zepol87 9186]

Damn this is rough

[smuggs 9353]

For research purposes:

[bernorange 8361]

2 minutes ago, HouTex said:

... the mere presence of a stranger in one’s home clearly can justify the use of deadly force against him/her in many circumstances.

As I understand it, the defense is arguing that the discovery of an intruder in your otherwise unoccupied home would commonly cause so much rage, resentment or terror in ordinary people that they become incapable of rational thought.  I get that the presence of an intruder would make most people mad, but I don't think most people would go full berzerker in those circumstances.  Most people are going to call for help.

[Vic Mackey 47037]

How in the hell did someone in their own home watching TV provoke a murder from a trigger happy woman who broke in? Who was unarmed and sitting on his couch? Good Lord. If anyone actually buys that crock of shit, they have no place in a productive society. That makes absolutely zero sense.

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

I can't handle this.  Fucking allergies.

[Ellellelle 308]

For real, I can't listen to it anymore. I don't imagine the jury listening to this and then letting her off easy.

[BigDHornfan 6548]

13 minutes ago, smuggs said:

For research purposes:

wasn't able to watch earlier, who is this?

[Gene Parmesan 4007]

36 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Why is it difficult to understand that, upon conviction for murder, which carries a range of 5 to 99, you may try to prove at sentencing that the murder was provoked, thereby reducing the sentencing range?

To put it on surly terms, the situation is fluid. 

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

That's his best friend from college.  She took the stand before his father.  She joked that after she introduced Botham to her husband that she felt like the third wheel after they hit it off so well.  He used to refer to himself as their black friend.  They were very close, like family.

[Gooby 640]

Prosecution rests.  Her people are up after a break.

[CHEF DIESEL 126]

10 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

I can't handle this.  Fucking allergies.

I served on a Dallas County jury 11 years ago involving a serial child rapist. Had to listen to children age 3 to 9 years old tell in graphic detail how they were raped. That was really tough. The defendant was sentenced to life in prison and it only delay in pushing the jury room light for the conviction is that everyone wanted to use the bathroom before we pushed the light. 12-14 minutes tops.

[Underdog 28630]

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[CHEF DIESEL 126]

2 minutes ago, BigDHornfan said:

wasn't able to watch earlier, who is this?

Bo Jean's lady friend who testified about what a nice guy he was. It'd break your heart to listen to her.

[HouTex 1867]

As I understand it, the defense is arguing that the discovery of an intruder in your otherwise unoccupied home would commonly cause so much rage, resentment or terror in ordinary people that they become incapable of rational thought.  I get that the presence of an intruder would make most people mad, but I don't think most people would go full berzerker in those circumstances.  Most people are going to call for help.

In these facts I completely agree.

[Gooby 640]

And here we go.  Expect tales of a hardscrabble youth and running with a bad crowd

['stache 21815]

I think that rule was inserted based on the husband walking in on his wife banging another dude and then shooting one or both. My understanding is that you can argue for a lighter sentence on the theory that you're not really a danger to society at large, just people who you may walk in on banging your wife. In this case, I think she probably was angry about someone she thought was messing with her shit, so there likely was anger in that situation. But based on everything else, and the quickness to the trigger, you have to worry that there are many other unpredictable ways she could be set off to fucking shoot someone. If I were a juror I wouldn't buy rage as a mitigating factor, if anything I'd hold it against her that she can't control herself under a circumstance that happens fairly often (burglary).

Edited October 2, 2019 by 'stache

[Kermit 3156]

1 minute ago, Gooby said:

And here we go.  Expect tales of a hardscrabble youth and running with a bad crowd

“I was born a poor black child...”

Edited October 2, 2019 by Kermit

[tx 3 putt 76956]

Enjoy life in prison you murdering, racist cunt !

[TwiceHorn 31469]

Yeah, this sudden passion thing has a lot of roots in common law homicide.  

Typically, it would nullify the premeditation requirement for "1st degree" type murder.  Since Texas law doesn't take into account premeditation, this is how that's dealt with.

[msudawg 371]

Amber's mom on the stand. 

 

I was wrong and corrected below. Thanks

Edited October 2, 2019 by msudawg

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

Am I the only one that thought sudden passion was just another euphemism for premature ejaculation?

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

Just now, msudawg said:

Amber's mom on the stand. Divorced father after he was convicted of doing something indecent with Amber. 

No, it was a guy she was dating after the divorce that molested Amber as a child.

Edited October 2, 2019 by hopkinsnhorns
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[Ellellelle 308]

Amber's mom on the stand. Divorced father after he was convicted of doing something indecent with Amber. 

Yikes, how terrible. Everything about this is sad.

[TXSooner518 2438]

Sheds some light on the obvious self-esteem issues illustrated where she was sending pics posed on demand to a married dude that she wasn't even carrying on an ongoing relationship. Also obvious self-esteem/insecurity stuff on the posts. 

[msudawg 371]

3 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

No, it was a guy she was dating after the divorce that molested Amber as a child.

Thanks...Sorry about that. 

 

['stache 21815]

Thats a rough looking family for 66 and 37.

[Gooby 640]

Just now, 'stache said:

Thats a rough looking family for 66 and 37.

yama hama.....

[ajax 2616]

So what. Who fucking cares. I was molested as a kid too. I didn't murder anyone. Fuck her.

[immortal13 4059]

54 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

How in the hell did someone in their own home watching TV provoke a murder from a trigger happy woman who broke in? Who was unarmed and sitting on his couch? Good Lord. If anyone actually buys that crock of shit, they have no place in a productive society. That makes absolutely zero sense.

He was hopped up on Blue Bell

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

So really she was just saving him from a slow, painful death from Listeria.

[Trey3216 15346]

3 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

He was hopped up on Blue Bell

"What a perfect way to say, have yourself a Kel-Tec kinda day" 

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

Not sure "she doesn't have the same energy that she used to" is going to have much of an impact when there's a dead guy involved.

[msudawg 371]

Sister didn't say much. aunt didn't say much... 

 

Here we go.. the black police officer  friend. 

Edited October 2, 2019 by msudawg

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

['stache 21815]