Dallas officer kills man after mistaking apartment for her own, police say

[Hank Scorpio 17,729]

Wait wait, I've always wanted to be one of the prison-isn't-bad-enough Surly posters. Perfect timing. 

Hope that fucking bitch is ready to get raped everyday in the shower and brutally assaulted by the guards. If you ask me, prison is too good for her and she shouldn't even have gotten a trial and they should have just executed her. 

[TwiceHorn 31,439]

Just now, hopkinsnhorns said:

Brother of Botham just says that he personally wished she didn't have to go to jail and could just do as his brother would have wanted, and give her life over to Christ.  Now he's hugging her.

Although it's a lot to ask of someone in his position, that is a truly Christian reaction.

[Chewbacca 7,767]

3 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

10 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

I'm just taking the win.  It's not everything I think she deserved, but it's a lot better than I expected.

This is in no way a win. At all. Cop gets away yet again with this shit. Walking into an innocent man's home and shooting him dead and gets off light. 10 years is nothing. Especially with the possibility of parole.

She's a convicted felon, can never be a cop again, and gets to spend the next 5-7 years in prison.  We all thought she was walking.  How is that not a win?

 

She should be going away for 20+.  No argument there.  But to say this is not a win is absolutely wrong.

[Asithappens 974]

10 years and she may serve 7?

That's the way it should be, imo. There's way too much "lock 'em up for life" bullshit going on today. Imo, of course. And yes, at times I'm one of those "lock 'em up for along time" people.

We need to follow the Scandihoovian method of penal management. Again, just imo.

She fucked up. Big Time. This is not an unreasonable sentence. It's not Aaron Persky/Brock Turner. 

Edited October 2, 2019 by Asithappens

[Asithappens 974]

2 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

Brother of Botham just says that he personally wished she didn't have to go to jail and could just do as his brother would have wanted, and give her life over to Christ.  Now he's hugging her.

Christianity needed this. 

Good example. Very Christ-like.

[msudawg 371]

1 minute ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

It's not easy to practice what you preach.  What a family.  I wish nothing but the best for the Jean's.

Exactly. that really hit deep. wow. 

[JimmyHoffa 1,188]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Brisket got to eat a healthy ration of shit yesterday after the conviction.

Yeah, I assumed so just happened that I hadn't been in the thread in awhile and his post was the first one I saw when I opened the thread. Thought I would pile on! ha 

[Chewbacca 7,767]

1 minute ago, NowThis said:

i'm not interested in fucking 'starting points'. Do something of substance.  What a loser mentality I'm seeing here. Go for the gusto bitches!  Damn, i feel so bad for the victim family now, it's a big F Y to them. Bitch will be out in 5-6 years.  White Females get very soft sentences all the time, does Surly want to fight?

Then you're not interested in real change.  Because real change happens incrementally.  It doesn't happen overnight.  10+ years ago, she walks on this.  So I'd say that's progress.

 

And yes, the sentences women get (especially when it comes to teachers fucking their students) is absurd compared to what happens to men.

[TwiceHorn 31,439]

3 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

10 years and she may serve 7?

That's the way it should be, imo. There's way too much "lock 'em up for life" bullshit going on today. Imo, of course. 

We need to follow the Scandihoovian method of penal management. Again, just imo.

She fucked up. Big Time. This is not an unreasonable sentence. It's not Aaron Persky/Brock Turner. 

Gagreed.  35-40 years is tantamount to a life sentence.  It certainly takes the good part and with prison conditions and healthcare, probably all of it.  And we hand those out like candy, especially at the federal level for offenses where no one got killed.

Edited October 2, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[msudawg 371]

Is the judge showing Amber a bible?

 

Did the family maybe give her a bible??

Just wow..

 

Edited October 2, 2019 by msudawg

[Vic Mackey 47,012]

 
10 years is nothing to sneeze at.  It's plenty.  Most sentences are too damned long anyway.
If the Balch Springs guy got 15, 10 is appropriate here.

She won't do the 10. That's one issue. The other issue is you specifically mentioned another cop. 2 cops who shot to kill when it was not necessary. So then cops play by different rules. That precedent still remains. Cop kills innocent black man and a slap on the wrist relative to the crime. Still in play. It will never change. Justice system at it's finest.

[hookem17 485]

7 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

8 minutes ago, hookem17 said:

Yes. Yes. 

I would not budge at all of anything less than 25. What happens then if someone refuses to give in. Can you hang a jury at sentencing?

Yes, it does happen. A new jury gets picked to re-hear the punishment portion of the trial. 

[msudawg 371]

The judge is hugging Amber now.. wow. 

 

Yall can bitch about the years.. but something special is going on here. 

[conVINCEd 21,469]

I’ve served as a juror once in a criminal case.  It took us less than 5 minutes to make a unanimous decision on sentencing (life, which was the max).  It was such a terrifying and disgusting case with evidence that left no doubt whatsoever as to guilt, no one really considered anything else.  I would imagine there was a pretty big spread on what each juror thought was right on this one.

[SDG 3,319]

For you assholes not watching the live stream it seems the family is forgiving so maybe reflect.  

[TwiceHorn 31,439]

4 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

 
10 years is nothing to sneeze at.  It's plenty.  Most sentences are too damned long anyway.
If the Balch Springs guy got 15, 10 is appropriate here.

She won't do the 10. That's one issue. The other issue is you specifically mentioned another cop. 2 cops who shot to kill when it was not necessary. So then cops play by different rules. That precedent still remains. Cop kills innocent black man and a slap on the wrist relative to the crime. Still in play. It will never change. Justice system at it's finest.

Do you not see a difference between this and the Balch Springs deal?  If you don't then you are not capable of rational thought.

I freely admit that I believe the range of sentences in our justice system needs a serious overhaul and recalibration.

And if I am going to support that notion, I'm going to support it when it comes to sentencing cops, white collars, and gang-banger drug dealers, Paul Manafort and Donald fuckin Trump.

Edited October 2, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[Skipper 6,128]

Yeah, this is all pretty crazy.

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

This is as best as I could have hoped.  This is how the justice system is supposed to work.  These are some strong steps that should help her in her rehabilitation.  Having the brother of the man you murdered wishing you the best, offering you a hug, and asking you to turn your life over to Christ is absolutely incredible.  If there is a shred of humanity in Amber, I hope she let's this momentum turn her life around and bring some good into the world.

Edited October 2, 2019 by hopkinsnhorns

[Iceman 2,693]

17 minutes ago, SameSame said:

This bitch is out in 7,. .FUCK THIS

Nonsense 

gets clipped within 6 months of hitting parole?

Justice served, and taxpayers get relief?  win:win.

['stache 21,797]

Good for that family, I mean that sincerely. It doesn't fix the problem that thousands upon thousands of minorities are serving more than 10 years for non violent drug offenses. The inequity is just glaring and infuriating. 

[Asithappens 974]

1 minute ago, Vic Mackey said:

9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

 
10 years is nothing to sneeze at.  It's plenty.  Most sentences are too damned long anyway.
If the Balch Springs guy got 15, 10 is appropriate here.

She won't do the 10. That's one issue. The other issue is you specifically mentioned another cop. 2 cops who shot to kill when it was not necessary. So then cops play by different rules. That precedent still remains. Cop kills innocent black man and a slap on the wrist relative to the crime. Still in play. It will never change. Justice system at it's finest.

You're right, of course, but it reminds me of a line in The Big Lebowski: "You're not wrong Walter, you're just an ...."

Look, if you're looking for a perfect system of logic and completely "fair" (however that's defined) treatment of everybody in the criminal justice system you're naive. And you can ALWAYS play the "yeah, but look at that" card. This was a good trial (imo) and a fair sentence. Yeah, the world is still unfair. This trial didn't change that.

[NowThis 931]

3 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Then you're not interested in real change.  Because real change happens incrementally.  It doesn't happen overnight.  10+ years ago, she walks on this.  So I'd say that's progress.

 

And yes, the sentences women get (especially when it comes to teachers fucking their students) is absurd compared to what happens to men.

Real change means a bigger sentence. They missed a slam dunk and you (and others) have a loser mentality.  Rise up, F the system hard, nothing soft.  You are too soft.

a climax of a perfect verdict with the deep disappointment of the soft sentence.

also, put "white" women vs. "black women" for the disparity. I'm sure it's huge as well.

If you want to commit murder in America, best to be a middle class or richer,  young white female. It's completely unacceptable.

[High Plains Drifter 11,031]

2 hours ago, Ten Bears said:

And there it is "She was trying to get home safe."

 

I would have laughed out loud if I had been in the courtroom and heard that.

 

 

 

[Asithappens 974]

3 minutes ago, msudawg said:

The judge is hugging Amber now.. wow. 

 

Yall can bitch about the years.. but something special is going on here. 

I wish our criminal justice system had more of this going on. 

Don't discard people. Amber made a terrible mistake. Forgiveness is a powerful thing.

[hayden_horn 11,362]

that's some powerful stuff. jesus.

[TwiceHorn 31,439]

1 minute ago, NowThis said:

Real change means a bigger sentence. They missed a slam dunk and you (and others) have a loser mentality.  Rise up, F the system hard, nothing soft.  You are too soft.

a climax of a perfect verdict with the deep disappointment of the soft sentence.

also, put "white" women vs. "black women" for the disparity. I'm sure it's huge as well.

If you want to commit murder in America, best to be a middle class or richer,  young white female. It's completely unacceptable.

The solution is not to ratchet up everyone's sentence, it's to ratchet them all down.

[hayden_horn 11,362]

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

The solution is not to ratchet up everyone's sentence, it's to ratchet them all down.

exactly.

too many people just want to completely ruin another person's life. 10 years feels about right to me. that's a fucking decade. that's a significant amount of a person's time on earth.

[TwiceHorn 31,439]

1 minute ago, Asithappens said:

I wish our criminal justice system had more of this going on. 

Don't discard people. Amber made a terrible mistake. Forgiveness is a powerful thing.

We have completely lost sight of this.  Granted, there are some awful people in the justice system, but it treats them all like they're awful and irredeemable.

[Capn81 372]

She got time and the family seems to be forgiving her. She is paying a price, rightfully so, even though it is clearly not how much some of the board wanted. At the end of the day, my first sentence is all that matters. No reason to be upset with the outcome, because the family sure doesn’t seem to be. They are the ones that matter, not anyone one of our hot takes.

[Asithappens 974]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

The solution is not to ratchet up everyone's sentence, it's to ratchet them all down.

Holy shit. 

That is so right. 

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

This felt so surreal, like it was taken from a Hollywood film.  This is the peak of courtroom drama.

['stache 21,797]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The solution is not to ratchet up everyone's sentence, it's to ratchet them all down.

This crime deserves more, but it would be more palatable if the others were “ratcheted down.” But that’s the entire problem, if this is the right punishment, we should be emptying our prisons right now at light speed.

[BigDHornfan 6,545]

Amazing moment after Guyger sentencing. Botham Jean’s little brother Brandt tells Guyger he loves her, forgives her, and wishes she didn’t have to go to prison. He also says Botham would feel the same. Then asks, “can I hug you?” Wow!
We can learn a thing or 2 from him.

[TwiceHorn 31,439]

1 minute ago, Capn81 said:

She got time and the family seems to be forgiving her. She is paying a price, rightfully so, even though it is clearly not how much some of the board wanted. At the end of the day, my first sentence is all that matters. No reason to be upset with the outcome, because the family sure doesn’t seem to be. They are the ones that matter, not anyone one of our hot takes.

Well, yes and no.

The justice system doesn't actually serve the victims.  It serves society.

For a long time, the justice system ignored victims, and that was wrong.  But it's gone too far the other way, particularly when the victims become vengefully bloodthirsty, as they sometimes do.

To me, it's gratifying that the Jeans are acting out their faith.  That means that they are going to well and truly move past this, to the maximum extent possible.  Those victims that put their entire faith and  in the justice system ultimately will hold an empty bag.

About all the justice system can do for victims is money, "closure," and vengeance, and over the long haul, those are all pretty empty things.

[msudawg 371]

8 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

that's some powerful stuff. jesus.

Literally. 

[Message Board User 12,395]

Botham Jean's brother is about 10000000000000000000000000000000x more Christian than these so-called Evangelicals like Robert Jeffers and Jerry Falwell Jr (/no CR).

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

And one last thing.  Botham's brother's statement and actions may have done more to bring about a change of heart in the police mentality than Amber's verdict.  That level of humanity is so incredibly powerful that one can't help but be moved by it.  By all accounts, even the deputies in the courtroom were tearing up.  Maybe, just maybe, they will look for the humanity in their suspects before deciding pulling the trigger on a perp is easier than the alternative.  We are all humans.  We are all Children of God.  Let's put an end to the us vs. them.  We are all one.

Edited October 2, 2019 by hopkinsnhorns

[msudawg 371]

9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The solution is not to ratchet up everyone's sentence, it's to ratchet them all down.

Don't ratchet up sentence's plus actually turn jails into something that rehabs people and not just chews them up..spits them out.. if they get out... and then are worthless to society and not up to date socially. 

 

[GreenspointTexas 9,598]

If she was black, she’d have gotten at least 20

[bigup2dahorns 3,343]

Amazing moment after Guyger sentencing. Botham Jean’s little brother Brandt tells Guyger he loves her, forgives her, and wishes she didn’t have to go to prison. He also says Botham would feel the same. Then asks, “can I hug you?” Wow!
We can learn a thing or 2 from him.

And then the judge went back into her office and came back into the courtroom and gave Amber her personal bible. And they talked and hugged. Huge emotion for everyone involved.

[housious 468]

50 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

The jury has made two incredibly tough decisions: convicting her of murder, and showing some form of compassion by not sentencing her to life.  I can't imagine being in that room.  I commend them for their open-mindedness 

I'm sorry, were you under the impression there was any chance in hell she'd get life in prison? 

[Iceman 2,693]

rehab for someone who shoots others in cold blood?

 

yeah, that'll take 40k years to change that person's soul.  Just fucking get it over with.

[cattail 112]

There are bleks sitting in prison longer for having a big bag of weed....

[Iceman 2,693]

1 minute ago, cattail said:

There are bleks sitting in prison longer for having a big bag of weed....

everyone knew better, right?

sorry, i wanted this bitch to get a much tougher sentence, and I can agree with the inconsistencies in the 'corrections' for these crimes.

 

Simple solution is to not possess the weed, though.

Edited October 2, 2019 by Iceman

[hookem17 485]

Wow. 

[TXSooner518 2,438]

For those of you who think this should be 20-40 years, what fact pattern that constitutes murder would you think justifies the lower end of the spectrum of the punishment range?

Also, how much money would someone have to pay you to accept a 10 year prison sentence starting today?

It's just funny because I leaned very heavily to the state's favor in this case, but I think putting her in prison for a quarter century would be insane, counterproductive, and pointless.

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

1 minute ago, cattail said:

There are bleks sitting in prison longer for having a big bag of weed....

And I don't think you would find one person in this thread that believes there is justice in those sentences.  Blame Nixon's war on drugs.  Blame Reagan and Clinton for amping up that war and mandatory minimums.

[Trey3216 15,345]

3 minutes ago, housious said:

I'm sorry, were you under the impression there was any chance in hell she'd get life in prison? 

None at all.  I wouldn’t have been surprised if she had gotten 25 or so.  I wasn’t going to put some obscure number in there.  

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,866]

1 minute ago, hookem17 said:

Wow. 

wow, indeed. amazing man.

[TwiceHorn 31,439]

2 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

And I don't think you would find one person in this thread that believes there is justice in those sentences.  Blame Nixon's war on drugs.  Blame Reagan and Clinton for amping up that war and mandatory minimums.

Anytime and everytime any politician tries to curry political favor with some new crime or punishment or crime policy, view that politician with extreme jaundice.  

Even if it's well-meaning now, or seems appropriate in view of the latest atrocity, it's bound to have dire unintended consequences.