Dallas officer kills man after mistaking apartment for her own, police say

[Vic Mackey 47157]

Just now, SDG said:

Union, but as Twice said she was off duty so this one has some strange angles.  

Oh ok. So if she was off duty, their union does not offer them the lawyer?

[SDG 3319]

1 minute ago, Vic Mackey said:

Oh ok. So if she was off duty, their union does not offer them the lawyer?

Paging @TwiceHorn  as maybe he know's better details.  

[Message Board User 12396]

33 minutes ago, Errestaurants said:

Pretty sure they have issued a warrant but she hasnt been brought in yet. At least as of this morning.

Crazy that they've drawn blood but havent interviewed her to understand what the hell happened. Any of us would of been in jail Thursday night.

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Gotta give the cops time to plant evidence and get stories straight.

[4th and 5 4918]

Sure she is a member of CLEAT

 

She hasn’t been interviewed because she has declined to be interviewed, not because the cops haven’t got around to it yet.

 

Cops know their rights, and exercise them, unlike every other citizen in America

[LoneStarBiker 145]

Well, well, well. What do we have here?

 

 

 

 

She's apparently the one on the right in the sunglasses, before she dyed her hair blonde. If true and she obviously knew him this is gonna turn out like many thought with there being some relationship bs involved.

 

https://newsone.com/3825718/amber-guyger-amy-gyger-dallas-police-shooting/

[Vic Mackey 47157]

It was obvious this was not a mistake of wrong apartment. This was premeditated murder. She knew exactly what she was doing. They definitely had a history and knew each other. Hence a witness saying she was screaming "open up open up!".

Manslaughter is fucking bullshit if that's all this bitch gets.

[PilotsError 2324]

LSB, you're like 12 hours late on everything. 

[cabowabo 4514]

If that's actually her, I'll be happy to interrogate her in her cell. 

 

[LoneStarBiker 145]

LSB, you're like 12 hours late on everything. 

From reading the previous threads it seems that people were talking about the girl on the far left, not the far right in the sunglasses which is what I was trying to point out.

[Errestaurants 2570]

Texas Rangers are in charge and told Dallas PD to hold off on issuing a warrant after interviewing the cop. Also despite interwebz it seems lady cop and Jean did not know each other. who knows though.

 

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/dpd-chief-said-a-warrant-was-coming-in-the-death-of-botham-jean-why-it-hasnt-yet/287-592186927

[4th and 5 4918]

Homicide is murder (intentionally or knowingly) manslaughter (recklessly) or criminally negligent homicide (criminal negligence).

intentional and knowing mean conscious desire to bring about the result, or knew that the result would occur, generally referred to a specific intent. 

Recklessness and criminal negligence are general intents where the actor did not intend to cause the harm. Recklessness is the conscious awareness of a substantial and unjustifiable risk and proceeding anyway. Criminal negligence is different in the failure to perceive the substantial and unjustifiable risk is a substantial deviation from how a reasonable person would act. Like shooting a gun in a crowded area. No intent to kill anyone, but the act is a sufficient mens rea, or culpability, to be a crime.

Her conduct, in shooting him was an intentional act. She shot him with the specific intent to kill. That’s murder under the Texas Penal Code.

She could assert at least two defenses to her conduct. 

One is mistake of fact, if her belief that he was an intruder in her home was reasonable under the circumstances.

The other is self defense, but again, that requires a reasonable belief that deadly force was necessary under the circumstances as she reasonably believed them to be at the time, not in hindsight. I question that she could avail herself of each element of the statute that would get her the presumption and jury instruction for “degree of force used presumed to be reasonable” and “no duty to retreat.”

I don’t see a jury buying the justification of self defense. They might bite on a mistake of fact defense but she could still be convicted of any lesser included offense of murder, to wit: manslaugher or criminally negligent homicide. 

[yoshi 137]

Fuck this whole angle about her being extremely tired after working a 12 hour shift and that exhaustion led her to shoot the guy.    She wasn't pouring concrete, digging ditches or roofing houses for 12 hours.   She was driving or sitting in a car for most of those hours.   I worked 12 hour shifts for 14 years.    It isn't that bad as long as you aren't doing manual labor on your feet the whole time.   Which she wasn't.

[Neonmoon 38130]

I’m going with they knew each other. Only thing that makes sense 

[Foggy Notion 1202]

Dallas Morning News names the police officer, Amber Guyger. DPD says she moved into the complex a month ago and didnt know the victim. 

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-police/2018/09/08/dallas-officer-shot-man-apartment-involved-2017-shooting-suspect

 

[Aqua Buddha 14621]

Not sure if it's worse that she didn't know.  If she knew him, she planned the whole thing.  If she didn't know him, she's wildly incompetent and the screening process for the Dallas Police Force should be called into question.  Her being drunk makes the most sense, actually.

[RPM 26356]

https://heavy.com/news/2018/09/amber-guyger/

[Errestaurants 2570]

Her union Lawyers already have a strategy

1. petite female cop was forced to work back 2 back 12 hour shifts cuz there's a shortage of cops

2. new to the complex and was weary from her tough job and her key doesn't work

3. large black man opens the door and scares her then BANG BANG

4. calls 911 cause she is a concerned citizen

5. profit??

Anyone else is going to jail thursday night. 

 

[WhatTheBuck 28801]

1 hour ago, Foggy Notion said:

Dallas Morning News names the police officer, Amber Guyger. DPD says she moved into the complex a month ago and didnt know the victim. 

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-police/2018/09/08/dallas-officer-shot-man-apartment-involved-2017-shooting-suspect

She'd better get evicted at least. 

[Neonmoon 38130]

Even if we buy the story that she thought it was her apartment ( I don’t) , how does she shoot an unarmed man? Did he attack her? 

Edited September 9, 2018 by Neonmoon

[burntorangebongos 10752]

23 hours ago, Lat22 said:

Women aren’t emotionally stable enough to carry guns and be cops. Yep. I said it. 

All the peeps of color agreed with this statement and so that is why white dudes still have game.

[WhatTheBuck 28801]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

Even if we buy the story that she thought it was her department ( I don’t) , how does she shoot an unarmed man? Did he attack her? 

I think it's in their training that it's okay to kill scary black men. 

Edited September 9, 2018 by WhatTheBuck

[Deej 76941]

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Not sure if it's worse that she didn't know.  If she knew him, she planned the whole thing.  If she didn't know him, she's wildly incompetent and the screening process for the Dallas Police Force should be called into question.  Her being drunk makes the most sense, actually.

As she supposedly just finished her shift, if she was under the influence, I'm gonna say abusing prescription drugs, not alcohol.

[Aqua Buddha 14621]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Even if we buy the story that she thought it was her apartment ( I don’t) , how does she shoot an unarmed man? Did he attack her? 

Supposedly, the neighbors reported she tried to open the door, it didn't open, there was some screaming, he opened the door, and the she shot him.

She never "opened the door."

[Neonmoon 38130]

45 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Supposedly, the neighbors reported she tried to open the door, it didn't open, there was some screaming, he opened the door, and the she shot him.

She never "opened the door."

Nothing in that story warrants a firearm being used 

[Aqua Buddha 14621]

13 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Nothing in that story warrants a firearm being used 

If anything, he would have been within his right to shoot her.

Yet, we hear "She was at the end of a long shift."

[Guest]

The more I read/learn, it sounds like this could be one of those weird freaky horrible tragedies. Even still, there needs to be justice, but man, just really sad and horrible all around. One person is gone and the other person, if accidental and truly freak accident, will probably wish she was gone when this is all said and done.

[SquishMitten 10441]

Have to admit I have entered the wrong apartment before.  But I was all kinds of messed up and it wasn't my place, was looking for a friend.  Ran out instantly when I figured it out.

Wonder what would’ve happened if you were carrying a gun and killed the person who lived there. I feel like you probably would’ve been arrested.

[AUS-97HORN 11824]

1 hour ago, SquishMitten said:

 

Wonder what would’ve happened if you were carrying a gun and killed the person who lived there. I feel like you probably would’ve been arrested.

 

or if he had actually shot her--- since you know supposedly she was screaming open up, open up,  he could actually legit claim castle doctrine.....

 

but then we all laugh because the MOMENT he claimed that and a uniformed officer was dead outside his apt,  he would have been arrested for Capital Murder, with death penalty being expected.

 

This guy was fucked no matter what

[RPM 26356]

4 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

but then we all laugh because the MOMENT he claimed that and a uniformed officer was dead outside his apt,  he would have been arrested for Capital Murder, with death penalty being expected.

His face would be plastered on the front page of every paper and the lead at 6&10. Instead, we'll interview her later and withhold her information because she had a long day at work.

[PilotsError 2324]

What kind of imbecile would admit to being team cop?

[mycox 582]

13 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

It was obvious this was not a mistake of wrong apartment. This was premeditated murder. She knew exactly what she was doing. They definitely had a history and knew each other. Hence a witness saying she was screaming "open up open up!".

This is stupid

['stache 21882]

The more I read/learn, it sounds like this could be one of those weird freaky horrible tragedies. Even still, there needs to be justice, but man, just really sad and horrible all around. One person is gone and the other person, if accidental and truly freak accident, will probably wish she was gone when this is all said and done.

Bull fucking shit. A tragedy usually is unavoidable or truly accidental. This cunt made so many mistakes, never thought for a second that maybe it was a mistake on her end, saw scary black guy and decided to shoot first ask questions later. Thin blue line and all. There’s no punishment too harsh. She can never make up for what she did to that family, and it was entirely a flaw on her end. I don’t want a bitch like this living among normal law abiding people.

 

[Errestaurants 2570]

Question for the Shaggy Lawyer crowd

It seems that this is turning out to be a horrible mistake by the lady cop not an intentional act of murder. Unfortunately someone was killed though. Under the same circumstances if the cop would of been Joe Blow LTC would've he/she been arrested by now? serious question. 

[Lat22 4018]

It’s not even the first guy she’s shot. What percentage of cops ever shoot somebody? 2%? Less?

[LongestHorn 759]

Does she have the same bright red door mat in front of her door?

[Neonmoon 38130]

I still don’t get how it escalated to a shooting. Even if she thought it was her apartment. The guy answers the door. Um no, this is my apartment. I live here. How did we get from words to shooting? None of that makes sense. I understand she could of made a mistake, and that’s fine, but thoughts/actions that took this scenario from misunderstanding to death is why I believe it is murder and not manslaughter. 

 

[TwiceHorn 31539]

Yes, there is probably an element of racism to this.  But it's looking more and more like a tragic accident from both sides.

 

It's not police brutality in any ordinary sense.  And fuck Lee Merritt for trying to make it so in advance of any facts to support it.

Edited September 9, 2018 by TwiceHorn

[Steel Shank 9432]

DPD "When our cops work 12 hour shifts, they're allowed to indiscriminately kill people.

 

I wonder if she sues the apartment complex for fucking up.

[conVINCEd 21469]

19 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yes, there is probably an element of racism to this.  But it's looking more and more like a tragic accident from both sides.

Admittedly I had a little too much brown liquor last night (thanks Tom), but have I missed an update on this story?  Because I am having a difficult time constructing a narrative where this is a tragic accident.  I'm seeing some version of negligent homicide/manslaughter as the floor and murder as the ceiling.  

[ImissWallyPryor 9046]

16 hours ago, Foggy Notion said:

Dallas Morning News names the police officer, Amber Guyger. DPD says she moved into the complex a month ago and didnt know the victim. 

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-police/2018/09/08/dallas-officer-shot-man-apartment-involved-2017-shooting-suspect

 

I mentioned this story to my  24-year old daughter (no pics for pervs). My daughter said she went to the wrong apartment once, tried using her key, knocked on the door, called for her roommate to open the door, then realized that the apartment number was 435, not 425. She had recently moved in. At least she had the correct floor and turned right once she stepped off the elevator. 

[TwiceHorn 31539]

Just now, conVINCEd said:

Admittedly I had a little too much brown liquor last night (thanks Tom), but have I missed an update on this story?  Because I am having a difficult time constructing a narrative where this is a tragic accident.  I'm seeing some version of negligent homicide/manslaughter as the floor and murder as the ceiling.  

See the article linked above.  She didn't know him, which was the internet bullshit spinning around yesterday.  I'm not saying there should or won't be criminal charges, and the facts have yet to come out and there's still explaining to do.

 

But this isn't your ordinary case of police brutality.

[ImissWallyPryor 9046]

13 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Nothing in that story warrants a firearm being used 

I wonder if he had a weapon in his hand when he opened the door. I would’ve if I heard someone trying to enter my home. 

On Christmas Eve 2003, our family was gathered at our vacation home. Someone had set off the security system a while earlier, and the relative who answered the phone call from the security company didn’t know the password. A while later, I was trimming the prime rib for the next day, and there was a knock at the door. I went to the door with a bloody butcher’s knife in my hand, and it was a sheriff’s deputy. He put his hand on his gun, but he didn’t shoot me. But, then again, I’m white. /csb

Edited September 9, 2018 by ImissWallyPryor

[PilotsError 2324]

We've seen enough stories over the years about cops who shoot multiple people.  We had a discussion thread on TOS a while back.  It'll be interesting to see how long it takes that Tulsa cop to shoot another person.  

 

[conVINCEd 21469]

Thanks.  I don't think it's police brutality, or at least not in the way that we are accustomed to using that term.  At some point she chose to take her gun out of her holster. That's a pretty serious choice, and I presume she has had extensive training on how to make that choice.  And then she chose to use it, another very serious choice. Any scenario that does not involve the guy pointing a gun at her when he opened the door is criminal imo.

[Pam Cummings 9677]

So why isn't this bitch in jail yet?

['stache 21882]

Thanks.  I don't think it's police brutality, or at least not in the way that we are accustomed to using that term.  At some point she chose to take her gun out of her holster. That's a pretty serious choice, and I presume she has had extensive training on how to make that choice.  And then she chose to use it, another very serious choice. Any scenario that does not involve the guy pointing a gun at her when he opened the door is criminal imo.

He would have every right to have a gun. It’s his apartment and she was harassing him and possibly trying to enter. It doesn’t matter even a little bit that she was mistaken. It’s her dumbass fault for being an idiot and not knowing where she lives. I’ve tried to enter the wrong hotel room once (a lot more understandable than a place you actually live) and as soon as the key didn’t work my first thought was “maybe I’m on the wrong floor” not “where’s my gun gotta shoot whoever’s inside!” She committed a horrible crime. She better fucking pay.

[SameSame 1705]

On 9/8/2018 at 7:34 AM, PilotsError said:

I keep saying disarm the police.

For those saying they don't believe she accidentally went to the wrong door either have never lived in apartments or haven't lived in one in a while.

Look at that complex, the floors are EXACTLY the same.  

I don't know how she missed that bright red doormat though.  

I believe her version is pretty much what happened, and I believe she should have been immediately arrested and thrown in jail.

[Neonmoon 38130]

I just get how a normal person gets from mistaken apartment to violence, much less someone who is trained to de-escalate hostile situations 

[Pancho 45021]

Back in 2011, I was living in some new apts in Las Colinas.  Got too drunk and stayed with a friend in downtown Dallas, but when I got back to my place my apt door was busted open.  Called the cops and they came and went in with guns drawn.  When they gave the all clear sign, they asked me to look around to see if anything was taken.  Sure as shit, everything was there.  (Only think worth any value was my laptop and it was sitting right on the table in plain sight.)

Cop said it looks like someone came home too drunk and had the wrong apartment and they realized it soon as they busted in.  

Soon as I heard this story, I thought immediately that's what happened here. 

[PilotsError 2324]

I just get how a normal person gets from mistaken apartment to violence, much less someone who is trained to de-escalate hostile situations 

Cops are trained to do what, now?