Dallas officer kills man after mistaking apartment for her own, police say

[TwiceHorn 31283]

1 minute ago, TXSooner518 said:

She started crying before that though, there was an objection to a question, before that she seemed fine, after the objection discussion which wasn't picked up on audio, she was in tears, then it went full on blubbering when she had to stand up and put on the equipment.

I suspect that having that sidebar where she was just sitting there, and not having to focus on answering questions, went a long way to provoking that.

[4th and 5 4914]

did we hear a ruling on the defense asking her about the acute stress response?

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

She said she wanted to continue, even while breaking down in tears, but the Judge excused the jury and took a recess for her to compose herself.

[TwiceHorn 31283]

1 minute ago, 4th and 5 said:

did we hear a ruling on the defense asking her about the acute stress response?

No, but they bailed on that line of questioning, clearly.

[tokamak 6352]

Is there anywhere I can place a bet on the verdict?

Of course. My book is showing Not Guilty -400 Trillion

[4th and 5 4914]

probably excluded because she is not an expert

nor would she be good at explaining it like that

they'll get it in thru Dr. Green and Ranger Armstrong

 

[SquishMitten 10401]

5 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

She said she wanted to continue, even while breaking down in tears, but the Judge excused the jury and took a recess for her to compose herself.

Did she? I thought she said "I don't know if I can continue." But it wasn't clear at all

[TwiceHorn 31283]

4 minutes ago, 4th and 5 said:

probably excluded because she is not an expert

nor would she be good at explaining it like that

they'll get it in thru Dr. Green and Ranger Armstrong

 

Yeah, the audible objection seemed a little off.  It was "her general reactions not relevant, only that on 9/6."  

[TXSooner518 2432]

Let's get this goddamn show on the road, before I actually have to get some work done.

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

"I heard noises inside my apartment."  But it wasn't your apartment.

[hookem17 485]

She heard someone walking around inside before she tried to open the door. Why would you open the door to your apartment if you heard someone inside. 

[hookem17 485]

Her responses on this part seem very rehearsed

[TXSooner518 2432]

Snippy!!!

[77horn 216]

The Defense attorney reminds me of a young Mack Brown

[TwiceHorn 31283]

Lawyer jousting over leading questions on direct and Shook standing up.

[4th and 5 4914]

take control of the court room, my man!

own that shit!

[Skipper 6103]

Just now, hookem17 said:

Her responses on this part seem very rehearsed

Agreed.   Pretty clear they have been through this about 100 times.  "I was scared to death" "scared as shit...er crap"

[TXSooner518 2432]

Agree that she seems much more rehearsed here, and I don't think it helps her AT ALL to say she noticed the cracked door and heard someone. Uh, use your fucking training if you have a chance to act. 

[4th and 5 4914]

he can't Q and A right there for long, got to keep demo-ing, state will object

[bluto 4894]

That was a fun exchange between attys

[TXSooner518 2432]

If you were an intruder in someone's apartment, and someone comes in are you going to start yelling? 

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

I can't wait for cross.  I hope the State eats her alive.

[BrazilHorn 6576]

Is she the one that had all the “come near me and I’ll kill you” shit on her FB feed!?

so many cops have killed folks it’s hard to keep up. 

[TwiceHorn 31283]

Why did you shoot?  I was scared he was going to kill me.

[4th and 5 4914]

defense should have made all this quicker

movement side to side and then a fast walk, gotta make that quicker, state's going to get her on that

[hookem17 485]

Claims she was doing compressions while on the phone. Lol

[TXSooner518 2432]

She "did compressions" with one hand because she was on the phone? Your phone doesn't have speaker option??

[Skipper 6103]

 If she actually said "let me see your hands, let me see your hands"  that means she made a calculated decision after having a few seconds to realize her mistake.  If she didn't (which I think is more likely) then she would have to admit to shooting in a panic without following procedure.   Regardless, with testimony that she shouted to let me see your hands while also stating he was walking "slowly" toward and not at a fast rate of speed, a reasonable trained LEO wouldn't start blasting.   If I'm on the jury not reasonable without even seeing cross.

    

[TornACL 7676]

The cop standard doesn't apply to regular people, and when she is acquitted it will show that the cop standard applies to cops when both on duty and off duty. 

They have been trained to shoot at the first sign of fear. 

In a way, I wish this trial had become a referendum on the police department hiring and training and overall shoot first and circle the wagons mentality. 

[Gene Parmesan 3993]

I didn't realize the narrative was that she was on alert before the door opened.  To me that makes her actions after that point swing way to the unreasonable side versus the door opening and the first indication of an intruder was seeing the intruder.

[77horn 216]

So the entry wound is in the nipple area, and she does CPR and a sternum rub, but has no blood anywhere on her?

[C-Man 27058]

This is a really, really tough case. Did she intend to murder Bothan Jean? I don't believe so. But her incompetence or blatant stupidity led directly to a man's death. You cannot let a precedent be set where a cop is let off without punishment for shooting an innocent person dead in his own home when they weren't SUPPOSED TO BE THERE!

[TwiceHorn 31283]

2 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

I didn't realize the narrative was that she was on alert before the door opened.  To me that makes her actions after that point swing way to the unreasonable side versus the door opening and the first indication of an intruder was seeing the intruder.

Yeah, I didn't fully appreciate that either.

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

Yeah, that makes no goddamn sense.

[Gene Parmesan 3993]

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

This is a really, really tough case. Did she intend to murder Bothan Jean? I don't believe so. But her incompetence or blatant stupidity led directly to a man's death. You cannot let a precedent be set where a cop is let off without punishment for shooting an innocent person dead in his own home when they weren't SUPPOSED TO BE THERE!

She didn't intend to murder an innocent man, but she definitely intended to murder the man that was in front of her.

[Skipper 6103]

1 minute ago, Gene Parmesan said:

I didn't realize the narrative was that she was on alert before the door opened.  To me that makes her actions after that point swing way to the unreasonable side versus the door opening and the first indication of an intruder was seeing the intruder.

Agreed.  Not to mention it absolutely raises that by seeing a crack and hearing noises another reasonable reaction if she was "scared for her life" would be to back out (or not open the door at all).   Which would obviously have prevented this tragedy.    I absolutely think she's genuinely remorseful and I don't think she should get 20+ years or anything but she needs to do some time.  It was a mistake but not a reasonable one.

[TwiceHorn 31283]

In this particular context, I am finding the repitition of "I thought I was in my own apartment" kind of curious.  As if she's trying to convince herself or something.

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

They've caught her in a lie about entering the parking garage.  There is missing time from when she enters to when she parks, but according to her, she drove straight to her spot with no stops.

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

In this particular context, I am finding the repitition of "I thought I was in my own apartment" kind of curious.  As if she's trying to convince herself or something.

or establish a defense as quickly as possible.  "I'm so tired!"

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

Not a tear shed during the 911 call.

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

When did she text Sex Cop?

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

This is so fucking rehearsed.

[hookem17 485]

Being alone with a man you just shot is the scariest thing you can imagine? What about eating some ice cream at home when someone walks in and immediately shoots you. 

[77horn 216]

Did she just say she got blood on her uniform?  Forensics said no blood.

[TwiceHorn 31283]

Hmmm violation of motion in limine.  Sustained. Hmmm.

[HOOKEM4 5023]

She is about to cry again to get another break. Gotta practice!!

[TXSooner518 2432]

She just testified that being alone with the guy she shot is the most terrifying thing you can imagine. Um, I can imagine it's less terrifying than someone coming in your front door screaming and shooting while you are sitting on your couch eating some ice cream and watching football.

Defense is now violating the motion in limine, courts love that!!

[TXSooner518 2432]

Just now, hookem17 said:

Being alone with a man you just shot is the scariest thing you can imagine? What about eating some ice cream at home when someone walks in and immediately shoots you. 

goddammit my pony too slow

[C-Man 27058]

Just now, Gene Parmesan said:

She didn't intend to murder an innocent man, but she definitely intended to murder the man that was in front of her.

Maybe and that's really the question the jury will have to answer. But it's just extremely poor training -- or sheer incompetence -- that she goes for her service weapon in this situation. If you're out in the wild, in unfamiliar places, I understand (maybe). But at home? In seemingly your own apartment? No. Don't buy it. I might not be willing to send in a conviction of murder in this case but she definitely needs to have punishment other than what a civil court will award. Fuck any special treatment because Guyger is a cop. That's offensive.

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

Defense trying awful hard to shoe-in that story about her looking up to cops as a child.  Good on the State to keep it out.