Dallas officer kills man after mistaking apartment for her own, police say

[RPM 26566]

18 minutes ago, staboner said:

Haven't been keeping up with thread - but dare shall I ask - she getting off or what?

If she wasn't a cop she'd be toast. I'd say it's 50/50 right now.

[TwiceHorn 31996]

26 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Defenses are being used that would be laughed out of the courtroom if the defendant wasn't a cop with lawyers paid for by the cop union.

Not true.  Granted, an appointed lawyer may not be putting up this defense (heh) and certainly not the experts (heh heh), but the mistake of fact/self defense isn't rocket surgery.  It's there for you and for me.

And, in a lot of ways, it appears that maybe a different set of lawyers might have put up a better defense.  

Also, a plea might have been offered.

Edited September 29, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[Continental Op 3934]

3 hours ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Then 12 Angry Men in the Boat

And then if we are going to run with the theme of this trial the fifth album can be Wanna Touch. 

[Fuck Tim Beck 3892]

6 hours ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Then 12 Angry Men in the Boat

5th album--Banging the gavel. 

[RPM 26566]

8 minutes ago, Fuck Tim Beck said:

5th album--Banging the gavel. 

Live album - The Chair

[4th and 5 4997]

14 hours ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Hot Sequestration Banging is a decent band name.  First album could be Hung Jury.

Well Hung Jury is so much better

[Surly Bevo 25660]

And the comeback reunion album

 

Innocent on Appeal

 

 

Then the album where they’ve taken it too far, the lead singer has left and they’ve replaced him with a sound alike they found in Bangalore and lead guitarists reborn cocaine addiction is really interfering with his diabetes.

 

Miscarriage of Justice.

[UDontKnow 10559]

14 hours ago, RPM said:

If she wasn't a cop she'd be toast. I'd say it's 50/50 right now.

Inaccurate. She's a white woman. That in itself carries protection.

[Fuck Tim Beck 3892]

3 hours ago, Surly Bevo said:

And the comeback reunion album

 

Innocent on Appeal

 

 

Then the album where they’ve taken it too far, the lead singer has left and they’ve replaced him with a sound alike they found in Bangalore and lead guitarists reborn cocaine addiction is really interfering with his diabetes.

 

Miscarriage of Justice.

Lulz. This is extremely specific. 

[Tailgate 3054]

 

[bluto 4984]

They’re getting deep on the jury charges, this is the shit that actually determines the outcome. And defense just got what seemed like a big win. Deciding on what the actual mistake of fact was along with what qualifies as self defense regarding immediate danger

[SquishMitten 10493]

Having a hard time understanding everything they're saying due to excessive weekend boozing. But the inclusion of the Castle Doctrine surprised me. That seems like a problematic precedent.

[bluto 4984]

Based on how this is going, she gonna skate

[Continental Op 3934]

When you're a cop, the world is your castle!  Shoot whoever the fuck you want wherever!  Who cares!? 

[immortal13 4059]

17 minutes ago, thestud said:

Huh? That doesn’t make any sense seeing as it’s not her castle. Wtf

Mistake of fact

[Guest Lobo]

Mistake of fact is about to become to murdering police what the Interstate Commerce Clause was to federal judicial overreach.  

[TXSooner518 2455]

Hey I know I shot that guy who was just sleeping, but I thought he was raping my wife! Justified! Mistake of fact!

[4th and 5 4997]

I've moved over to the WFAA feed. The analysis during the breaks from the lawyer is pretty good.

 

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/special-reports/botham-jean/amber-guyger-murder-trial-daily-breakdown-livestream/287-7c0187eb-efc0-4170-a847-3d69aff27eb4

[bluto 4984]

I've moved over to the WFAA feed. The analysis during the breaks from the lawyer is pretty good.
 
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/special-reports/botham-jean/amber-guyger-murder-trial-daily-breakdown-livestream/287-7c0187eb-efc0-4170-a847-3d69aff27eb4

Wfaa has been great all trial long

[4th and 5 4997]

I was in court and missed the charge conference....I guess I'm fixing to find out what defensive charges she got

 

 

[Ellellelle 349]

I don't see how they come back with a not guilty based on these directions. Does the jury decide the sentence in Texas?

[Ellellelle 349]

Double post.

 

[4th and 5 4997]

wow, manslaughter included....

[Guest Lobo]

Did not see that coming 

[TXSooner518 2455]

1 minute ago, 4th and 5 said:

wow, manslaughter included....

Goddamn, I was told the stupid Sooner couldn't understand the law.... 😁

[Huckleberry 34407]

A guilty verdict on manslaughter would keep her from ever being a law enforcement officer again, right?

[4th and 5 4997]

15 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

Goddamn, I was told the stupid Sooner couldn't understand the law.... 😁

I think the issue is that if there is any evidence, no matter how small, incredible, inconsistent and unbelievable, it is reversible error not to give the charge. The judge doesn't want to try it twice and neither does the state

Also the lawyer on WFAA said the same thing. She admitted causing his death intentionally.

The jury probably won't pick up on the fine details of the law and convict her of manslaughter  

Edited September 30, 2019 by 4th and 5

[immortal13 4059]

7 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

A guilty verdict on manslaughter would keep her from ever being a law enforcement officer again, right?

Let us hope

[immortal13 4059]

9 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

stupid Sooner

Redundant

[TXSooner518 2455]

Something odd to me about including the Castle Doctrine instruction (on top of her, you know, not being in her Castle)...It only applies if the person enters your OCCUPIED habitation, which Botham didn't do, even allowing Guyger's mistake of fact. She knew she wasn't home when the "intruder" entered. So it can only apply if she was trying to stop the imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.  What evidence was entered that the person, even if an intruder, was imminently committing any of these offenses?

[4th and 5 4997]

Not much. I went over this way back when. Plus if she entered the habitation she was committing a criminal trespass and can't use the castle doctrine 

[Brisketexan 106653]

4 minutes ago, TXSooner518 said:

Something odd to me about including the Castle Doctrine instruction (on top of her, you know, not being in her Castle)...It only applies if the person enters your OCCUPIED habitation, which Botham didn't do, even allowing Guyger's mistake of fact. She knew she wasn't home when the "intruder" entered. So it can only apply if she was trying to stop the imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.  What evidence was entered that the person, even if an intruder, was imminently committing any of these offenses?

None.

The Castle Doctrine instruction is REALLY troubling.

[BigDHornfan 6625]

So over/under amount of time Jury is deliberating?

I've got 4 hours.

[housious 468]

Are we looking at riots in Dallas in she isn't convicted? 

[bluto 4984]

So over/under amount of time Jury is deliberating?
I've got 4 hours.

Wfaa analyst estimates day and a half

[4th and 5 4997]

a scintilla of evidence, you got that okie?

[tokamak 6685]

Can one of y'all lawdogs lay out what's going on with the charges/directions/castle doctrine stuff? I'm not watching any livestream and can't read between the lines of what y'all are saying.

[CHEF DIESEL 126]

This prosecutor with the beard is hungry. Like him.

[4th and 5 4997]

The prosecutor sounds like he is yelling at the jury.

I don't like his tone.

[woohorn 1131]

Are we looking at riots in Dallas in she isn't convicted? 

Let's just say that I wouldn't want to be at the SFOT.

[Skipper 6406]

Yeah, as someone that doesn't watch these on the reg, he seems like he's doing a pretty good job.

[TXSooner518 2455]

6 minutes ago, 4th and 5 said:

a scintilla of evidence, you got that okie?

I was there from jump, you were the one saying manslaughter was a DV of NG, because intentional.

2 minutes ago, CHEF DIESEL said:

This prosecutor with the beard is hungry. Like him.

I actually am finding him pretty annoying and grating, and I'm much more inclined to the state's side of this case.

[4th and 5 4997]

1 minute ago, TXSooner518 said:

I was there from jump, you were the one saying manslaughter was a DV of NG, because intentional.

I actually am finding him pretty annoying and grating, and I'm much more inclined to the state's side of this case.

WTF I did not say a directed verdict of not guilty, I said she shouldn't even get the charge, because there was no evidence to support it.

[CHEF DIESEL 126]

1 minute ago, TXSooner518 said:

 

I actually am finding him pretty annoying and grating, and I'm much more inclined to the state's side of this case.

Everything has been civilized thus far. Glad to see some serious sarcastic darkness mixed into all this.

[TXSooner518 2455]

Just now, 4th and 5 said:

WTF I did not say a directed verdict of not guilty, I said she shouldn't even get the charge, because there was no evidence to support it.

Sorry if I misstated, it's been a lot of pages, but I recalled that you said it would be overturned on appeal, because no evidence (not even a scintilla). 

[4th and 5 4997]

OK listen okie here's where you need to pay attention

[hookem17 485]

His faux exasperation is pretty tiring. Some of the jury is going to be leaning to her side, can’t be too flippant and offend their intelligence. 

[pops 7121]

Best place to loot? Could get my kid a PlayStation. 

[Skipper 6406]

Hammering "reasonable" over and over which is what he clearly has to do considering the narrative the defense is about to spin.

[gsoda3 3358]

didn't care for bearded prosecutor's approach there.