Dallas officer kills man after mistaking apartment for her own, police say

[Gooby 642]

Looks like they're done for the day

[Skipper 6406]

1 minute ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Regarding 1): Inefficient and inconvenient to change clothes after a shit? What a load of horseshit.

 

This grinds your gears?  Seems pretty obviously inconvenient.

[Gene Parmesan 4062]

Yeah did I miss where her being in uniform had some sort of bearing in this case?

[Junior Miller 1502]

28 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

I've stated my hypothesis that she gets 10 years on FB.  My black friends (and their black friends) do not agree and want much more time.
 

My response:
 

 

What makes you think that's she's unlikely to reoffend? Because she's white? 

She's a cold blooded killer who made the conscious decision to rush into a dangerous situation for the sole reason of "being able" to murder another human. She's a major danger to society and the thug shouldn't be on the streets. 

[High Plains Drifter 11163]

21 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

"hopkinsnhorns, can you explain why there was an abundance of transexual pornographic images in your group text message?"

"My friends are sick, sick fucks."

 

"Mr. Drifter, can you explain why there was an abundance of sick, disgusting, depraved jokes and memes on your social media account?"

"Have you ever surfed Surly?"

[Junior Miller 1502]

8 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

What would them changing out of their uniform prior to returning home accomplish?

Maybe remind them that once off shift they're regular citizens in regular citizens clothes and shouldn't be trying to go all robo cop on the first non whites they see?

I believe they should be forced to leave their uniforms and firearms at the station and never take them home or wear while off duty. 

Edited October 1, 2019 by Junior Miller

[TwiceHorn 32002]

40 years seems grotesquely excessive.

But I also think sentences over 20 years should be reserved for the most heinous offenses.

 

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

I'm afraid that changing their clothes isn't enough to change their mindset.  It's good symbolism, but I'm not sure the issue is fixed that easily.

[Skipper 6406]

Just now, Junior Miller said:

Maybe remind them that once off shift they're regular citizens in regular citizens clothes and shouldn't be trying to go all robo cop on the first non whites they see?

This thread was going just fine with the adults talking.  

[Junior Miller 1502]

2 minutes ago, Skipper said:

This thread was going just fine with the adults talking.  

bring substance not attacks. 

The police have operated with prejudiced impunity for far too long and have earned no benefit of the doubt. If they're going to act like racist idiots they need to be treated like racist idiots. 

Edited October 1, 2019 by Junior Miller

[TwiceHorn 32002]

6 minutes ago, Junior Miller said:

What makes you think that's she's unlikely to reoffend? Because she's white? 

She's a cold blooded killer who made the conscious decision to rush into a dangerous situation for the sole reason of "being able" to murder another human. She's a major danger to society and the thug shouldn't be on the streets. 

She made a very stupid and rash decision that she is unlikely to repeat. Particularly after serving a stint in the joint of any duration.

A cold blooded killer lies in wait or plans ahead.

[Junior Miller 1502]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

40 years seems grotesquely excessive.

But I also think sentences over 20 years should be reserved for the most heinous offenses.

 

I agree. 15 to 20 years no parole should be the punishment. 

[High Plains Drifter 11163]

6 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

What would them changing out of their uniform prior to returning home accomplish?

 

I don't know you mentioned it. But I think that if a cop is off duty, they shouldn't be wearing the uniform. And if they aren't in uniform, they shouldn't be going into an apt that they think is being burgled. They should be calling the cops and waiting somewhere else, like any other non-uniformed citizen.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Skipper said:

This grinds your gears?  Seems pretty obviously inconvenient.

 

What grinds my gears is using the excuse of its "inconvenient" to not do something.

 

 

[Junior Miller 1502]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

She made a very stupid and rash decision that she is unlikely to repeat. Particularly after serving a stint in the joint of any duration.

A cold blooded killer lies in wait or plans ahead.

She made the decision to go in all Rambo guns drawn for the sole purpose to mowing down another human. She wasn't caught by surprise. She was alerted at the door before she ever walked in and in that moment was able to differentiate between call for backup and proceed with restrained caution or go on a murderous rampage. 

[Gene Parmesan 4062]

I think she'll likely do more time than the Balch Springs guy whose set of facts was far more heinous than hers. 

[High Plains Drifter 11163]

6 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

I'm afraid that changing their clothes isn't enough to change their mindset.  It's good symbolism, but I'm not sure the issue is fixed that easily.

 

Symbolism counts for something.

[Brisketexan 106681]

Also FTR, before the sentencing phase began, my prediction was 14 years.  After seeing the cascade of racist and murdery memes and texts....I may be upping that to 45-50 years.

Those, are, ummmm......really bad.  And putting those before the jury that saw fit to find her guilty of MURDER (not a lesser offense)....not good for her.  At all.

[Junior Miller 1502]

14 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

I'm afraid that changing their clothes isn't enough to change their mindset.  It's good symbolism, but I'm not sure the issue is fixed that easily.

No change is immediate, but over time it would happen. When they are trained that when you are off duty you leave your uniform and firearm behind and when not in uniform you are a regular citizen with zero police powers and will be judged/punished as a regular citizen then over time it will take hold. If they started adjusting to that now then with time every new recruit that went to academy after the change will just regard it as normal. 

America has allowed and encouraged the cultivation of an entire police force of Inspector Lugers. What we need is to transition the culture to more Barney Millers. 

Edited October 1, 2019 by Junior Miller

[SameSame 1745]

Holee S you want to hear what a lot of your white Dallas brethren think about it.  Flip over to wbap.  I flipped over on my drive home and it was one racist caller after another.  Including the host, he is the worst.  They did everything except call all the blacks in Dallas stupid niggers.    And I only say that, because trust me they were close.

[Bruh Man 3160]

16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Also FTR, before the sentencing phase began, my prediction was 14 years.  After seeing the cascade of racist and murdery memes and texts....I may be upping that to 45-50 years.

Those, are, ummmm......really bad.  And putting those before the jury that saw fit to find her guilty of MURDER (not a lesser offense)....not good for her.  At all.

It's not just the racist texts. It's the texts juxtaposed with Bo's charity. I mean the guy was bringing birthday cakes to blind poor people, singing in the choir, going on mission trips, excelling at a top accounting firm, being a family man. All we've heard about Amber is these racist texts and sexually explicit texts. Her family members are going to have to put on an Oscar performance tomorrow to save her. 

[Brisketexan 106681]

3 minutes ago, SameSame said:

Holee S you want to hear what a lot of your white Dallas brethren think about it.  Flip over to wbap.  I flipped over on my drive home and it was one racist caller after another.  Including the host, he is the worst.  They did everything except call all the blacks in Dallas stupid niggers.    And I only say that, because trust me they were close.

Sigh.

And.....I'm back to where my gut was.

Glad we got this verdict.  But....Texas gonna Texas.

[Trey3216 15451]

11 minutes ago, Junior Miller said:

No change is immediate, but over time it would happen. When they are trained that when you are off duty you leave your uniform and firearm behind and when not in uniform you are a regular citizen with zero police powers and will be judged/punished as a regular citizen then over time it will take hold. If they started adjusting to that now then with time every new recruit that went to academy after the change will just regard it as normal. 

America has allowed and encouraged the cultivation of an entire police force of Inspector Lugers. What we need is to transition the culture to more Barney Millers. 

I’ve said it on this thread already, but their firearm isn’t being left at the station.   Most LEO’s buy their own firearm.  It is their personal property.  Concealed carry laws in TX added into the equation means this is a bad take 

[Skipper 6406]

6 minutes ago, SameSame said:

Holee S you want to hear what a lot of your white Dallas brethren think about it.  Flip over to wbap.  I flipped over on my drive home and it was one racist caller after another.  Including the host, he is the worst.  They did everything except call all the blacks in Dallas stupid niggers.    And I only say that, because trust me they were close.

I don't even know what WBAP is.  Sounds like that's a good thing.

[Skipper 6406]

1 minute ago, Trey3216 said:

this is a bad take 

I mean that's pretty much guaranteed.

[Fuck Tim Beck 3892]

26 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

I'm afraid that changing their clothes isn't enough to change their mindset.  It's good symbolism, but I'm not sure the issue is fixed that easily.

Something that always grinds my gears is when an "off duty" (in civilian clothes) cop gets punched in a bar fight, cussed at, whatever and then the civilian faces a higher

charge for assaulting a cop even tho they didn't know it was a cop. The same should hold true for cops. Guyger should get MORE time than a normal citizen should. 

She had training. She was supposed to know better. 

[SameSame 1745]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Sigh.

And.....I'm back to where my gut was.

Glad we got this verdict.  But....Texas gonna Texas.

One lady did say it was a shame for Botham Jean to die because he seemed like one of the good blacks.

Caller after caller said she didn't, and couldn't, get a fair trial in Dallas because the judge was black and the jury had 5 blacks on it.

2 others lambasted the family for thanking God after, while saying they would have been burning the city if had gone different.

It was too much to keep up with.

[SameSame 1745]

1 minute ago, SameSame said:

One lady did say it was a shame for Botham Jean to die because he seemed like one of the good blacks.

Caller after caller said she didn't, and couldn't, get a fair trial in Dallas because the judge was black and the jury had 5 blacks on it.

2 others lambasted the family for thanking God after, while saying they would have been burning the city if had gone different.

It was too much to keep up with.

And the whole time the host was pushing it and inflaming it.

[RPM 26573]

7 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I don't even know what WBAP is.  Sounds like that's a good thing.

820 am. Used to be a pretty good country station then switched to Rush Limbaugh and friends.

[Junior Miller 1502]

5 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

I’ve said it on this thread already, but their firearm isn’t being left at the station.   Most LEO’s buy their own firearm.  It is their personal property.  Concealed carry laws in TX added into the equation means this is a bad take 

Well that needs to change. "The way things are" has created an environment of robust and rampant police corruption which has led to mistrust and hostility towards police officers. They complain that their job is dangerous and hard but decades after decades of their own rampant widespread corruption has made it that way.  

Status quo needs to be thrown out completely and widespread reform undertaken. Part of that needs to be improved community relations and outreach and part of that needs to be improved regulations on their own actions and training/habits. 

Otherwise we can just keep going down this road and nothing but increased hostility, corruption, and unnecessary violence will occur. 

[TwiceHorn 32002]

But Mr. Jean was a Christian.  I have it on good authority from this very board that all Christians are conservative, knee-jerk, anti-science assholes.

 

Also, AM radio seems to have turned into a completely useless cesspool shithole.  Unless you like tejano.  You can't even find a news station on there anymore.

Edited October 1, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[RDCanecutter 26858]

[Bruh Man 3160]

21 minutes ago, SameSame said:

Holee S you want to hear what a lot of your white Dallas brethren think about it.  Flip over to wbap.  I flipped over on my drive home and it was one racist caller after another.  Including the host, he is the worst.  They did everything except call all the blacks in Dallas stupid niggers.    And I only say that, because trust me they were close.

Why? You'd think they take the side of the wholesome Christian business professional over the sexting homewrecker druggie.

Also, I thought conservatives love MLK, why would they side with the person who obviously has ill feelings toward him? 

[Trey3216 15451]

4 minutes ago, Junior Miller said:

Well that needs to change. "The way things are" has created an environment of robust and rampant police corruption which has led to mistrust and hostility towards police officers. They complain that their job is dangerous and hard but decades after decades of their own rampant widespread corruption has made it that way.  

Status quo needs to be thrown out completely and widespread reform undertaken. Part of that needs to be improved community relations and outreach and part of that needs to be improved regulations on their own actions and training/habits. 

Otherwise we can just keep going down this road and nothing but increased hostility, corruption, and unnecessary violence will occur. 

Pretty big precedent to set that citizens can concealed carry but an LEO can’t take their own weapon home with them.  That’s all I’m saying, and it’s why it will never happen.  

 

Corrupt cops, just like corrupt citizens/politicians/corporations/business moguls fucking suck.   But believe it or not, the good in vast majority of all of the things I just mentioned far outweigh the bad in the things I just mentioned.  

[SameSame 1745]

2 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

Why? You'd think they take the side of the wholesome Christian business professional over the sexting homewrecker druggie.

Also, I thought conservatives love MLK, why would they side with the person who obviously has ill feelings toward him? 

The host kept playing a snippet of the attorney of the Jean family saying this was a victory for not only Botham but Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin and others.

The host kept inflaming it, and then here they came one after the other.  Couple the callers were so mad that couldn't keep it together.

[Matuka 1320]

26 minutes ago, RPM said:

820 am. Used to be a pretty good country station then switched to Rush Limbaugh and friends.

Hal Jay ain’t walking thru that door buddy.

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

33 minutes ago, Fuck Tim Beck said:

Something that always grinds my gears is when an "off duty" (in civilian clothes) cop gets punched in a bar fight, cussed at, whatever and then the civilian faces a higher

charge for assaulting a cop even tho they didn't know it was a cop. The same should hold true for cops. Guyger should get MORE time than a normal citizen should. 

She had training. She was supposed to know better. 

I'm out of rep for the day, but +rep

[Skipper 6406]

29 minutes ago, SameSame said:

 

2 others lambasted the family for thanking God after

Some jackass on the Orangebloods thread did this.  I tend to forget these people exists but then I read my buddies Orangebloods account or visit "Fox News all the time" wife's family in the burbs or see facebook posts from folks in the small town I grew up in and reminded, yeah, a lot of people in this country are really fucking dumb and ignorant.

[tokamak 6686]

AM talk radio is a cesspool. It’s like 4chan for olds.

[msudawg 371]

Official in jail. 

https://www.dallascounty.org/jaillookup/search.jsp

19048141

 

 

Record Detail

	Name	GUYGER, AMBER
	Race	White
	Sex	Female
	DOB	1988-08-09
	Jail Location	North Tower
	Tank Location	NGSC20
	Bookin Number	19048141
	Bookin Date	2019-10-01 04:43 PM

[4th and 5 4998]

I skimmed thru the last few pages because I've been in court all afternoon but just wanted to add a few corrections

1. there is no probation for murder, period.

2. she cannot be released on bond pending appeal for murder, period.

3. the deadly weapon finding means she has to do half the time before she is parole eligible. Not released. Eligible. She will serve maybe 80% of her sentence, minimum, for murder.

I was thinking this verdict was a compromise. The jury followed the law regarding culpable mental states and would hit her on the low end. Most at 5, maybe a few others with an opinion on 10, the jury meets in the middle at 7.

But this punishment evidence is pushing that number up. I don't think a one of them is going to feel sorry for Amber Guyger once the state is done.

[Vic Mackey 47851]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

40 years seems grotesquely excessive.

But I also think sentences over 20 years should be reserved for the most heinous offenses.

 

Walking into someone else's home while they are minding their own business and pulling out your gun and intending to kill them (admitting to it, too) seems pretty heinous to me. Fuck that murdering, trigger happy piece of shit.

[TwiceHorn 32002]

Did the family really thank God?

That makes me a little queasy.  

Incidentally, although Botham Jean seemed to be a fine example of a Christian, his school, Harding University, is what this place would consider an asshole factory on the level of Baylor or Liberty.  I consider it something of an asshole factory myself, and I'm a leading Apologist on this site.

Edited October 1, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[msudawg 371]

Possibility defense might go for making it a crime of sudden passion, knocks down to 2nd degree felony and 2-20.

 

 

[Vic Mackey 47851]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

She made a very stupid and rash decision that she is unlikely to repeat. Particularly after serving a stint in the joint of any duration.

A cold blooded killer lies in wait or plans ahead.

What is the difference? There is no place in this world for either of them. Why does it have to be one or the other? Both are pieces of shit who deserve to rot in prison. Any duration? So you think a term of 6 months is fine because she will have learned her lesson? She was reckless and negligent by even entering the wrong home. Multiply that by 100 where she draws her weapon and fires without even assessing the situation one bit and killing an innocent man in his own home. And to top it off, he was a good distance away sitting down and un armed. Quit downplaying what she did by trying to compare her to something you think is worse and therefore she deserves a lighter sentence.

[TwiceHorn 32002]

6 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

What is the difference? There is no place in this world for either of them. Why does it have to be one or the other? Both are pieces of shit who deserve to rot in prison. Any duration? So you think a term of 6 months is fine because she will have learned her lesson? She was reckless and negligent by even entering the wrong home. Multiply that by 100 where she draws her weapon and fires without even assessing the situation one bit and killing an innocent man in his own home. And to top it off, he was a good distance away sitting down and un armed. Quit downplaying what she did by trying to compare her to something you think is worse and therefore she deserves a lighter sentence.

Quit putting words in my mouth.

We are incarceration crazy in this country because of inflamed asshole opinions like the foregoing.

In my opinion, probably 95% of incarceral sentences in this country are too long by half.

Without minimizing what happened here, scaled against most other murders, it's relatively mild.  And yes, someone died in all of them.

Edited October 1, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[El Diablo 4232]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

My gut was that the jury would do what many Texans do - go with their gut, damn the evidence.  A pot-smoking black man got shot by a cop.  In Texas, that's a tough hill to climb for a murder conviction.  Not because of the law, but because Texans.  Add to that the fact that I saw NO piece of evidence that looked powerful enough to overcome that inclination, yep, I called it like I saw it.

As for what my gut told me a jury would do with the pot-smoking black guy who got shot by a cop....forgive me if I don't think too highly of the fine white folk of North Texas.  Pay no mind to the fact that one of 'em just went through the effort to drive all the way to El Paso to murder some brown people.

My gut didn't get this verdict right.  But it also knew that it was just a matter of time before someone like many members of this jury pool went beaner-hunting.  On such matters, I'll still give my gut a strong vote.  Glad the evidence proved otherwise here.

It's called being prejudiced. That's all it is. I guess you can justify it, no skin off my nose. Your contempt for folks is your burden.

[Deej 77677]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Also FTR, before the sentencing phase began, my prediction was 14 years.  After seeing the cascade of racist and murdery memes and texts....I may be upping that to 45-50 years.

Those, are, ummmm......really bad.  And putting those before the jury that saw fit to find her guilty of MURDER (not a lesser offense)....not good for her.  At all.

She's getting at least 20 after that, but 50 may not be a stretch.

[maninblack 7975]

 

[Junior Miller 1502]

52 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

Pretty big precedent to set that citizens can concealed carry but an LEO can’t take their own weapon home with them.  That’s all I’m saying, and it’s why it will never happen.  

 

Corrupt cops, just like corrupt citizens/politicians/corporations/business moguls fucking suck.   But believe it or not, the good in vast majority of all of the things I just mentioned far outweigh the bad in the things I just mentioned.  

I'm not saying a LEO can't carry a concealed gun on their own time. Just that they can't carry their police issued firearm while off duty. If they want to carry a concealed weapon then they need to take all the same steps a normal non felon citizen takes to do so. Get the same permit. 

While on duty you only carry approved and issued police gear and only wear approved and issued uniforms / clothing. While off-duty you're not allowed to wear any issued uniform or firearm. Part of reforming this problem is to make clear to these people that they are not cops. They're regular citizens who are hired to be cops only while on duty. It's only a job and not who they are. 

[Deej 77677]

17 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Did the family really thank God?

That makes me a little queasy.  

Incidentally, although Botham Jean seemed to be a fine example of a Christian, his school, Harding University, is what this place would consider an asshole factory on the level of Baylor or Liberty.  I consider it something of an asshole factory myself, and I'm a leading Apologist on this site.

His family can thank whoever the fuck they want to thank. Whatever helps them through losing a family member.