Texas State Board of Education (Republicans, again)

[Pancho 46055]

We were told on the other website that it’s actually Republicans who are the party of diversity and inclusivity 

 

[Pancho 46055]

They also voted to remove Helen Keller from the curriculum.

helen fucking keller

[David Dennison 19441]

What does that even mean?

Teachers will teach kids about her anyway.

[Texas Jeff 1998]

You would think they would want to delete Nixon.


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[gsoda3 3358]

it was erased from the TEKS, which is the guideline for what every student in that grade must know by year end.  stuff is getting added and deleted all the time. 

[cactusflinthead 27626]

39 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What does that even mean?

Teachers will teach kids about her anyway.

This is the correct answer. Ain't skairt 

[MissingInAction 25478]

[Js1 86945]

Lordy the amount of space Hillary occupies in the minds of the GOP. Hilarious. Like obsessed, scorned ex-boyfriends who can’t let her go. 

[mchookem 16729]

the first woman to run for president as nominee of a major political in this country's history? nah, no historical significance there 🙄 

[Goredho 17627]

Lets just keep this fucking thread pinned to the top of this board.  I've got two kids with special needs, and the stance on special education described in the linked articles is in large part  why we moved our family out of state.  After 2 years of fighting with Leander ISD to get our kids the services they needed and being, well, denied, we moved out of state.  After 4 weeks of observation, we met with officials at our new out-of-state school to come up with an educational plan for our kids.  We braced for a fight.  Immediately, before we ever asked for anything, they offered 4x the hours of occupational therapy and other services that Leander ISD ever offered us after 2 years of fighting.

On the bright side, it looks like the problem is being corrected.  Too late for my kids, and only through an act of the federal government vs a crisis of republican conscience, but its a good thing for kids in Texas.

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Anyway, Texas republicans need to go fuck themselves with that nasty barbed dildo from "SE7EN".  At least those not ideologically aligned with Joe Strauss, which seems like all there is any more.  Texas has the 10th largest economy in the world and its booming.  Stop fucking nickel-and-diming education.  If you undermine public schools and make the opportunities of a decent education a privilege only the wealthy class can afford, you're basically telling your constituents that their children need to "eat educational cake".  Here's to you assholes losing your heads -- politically or physically -- whatever it takes.

From https://www.houstonchronicle.com/denied/1/ in 2016:

Quote

Over a decade ago, the officials arbitrarily decided what percentage of students should get special education services — 8.5 percent — and since then they have forced school districts to comply by strictly auditing those serving too many kids.

Their efforts, which started in 2004 but have never been publicly announced or explained, have saved the Texas Education Agency billions of dollars but denied vital supports to children with autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, dyslexia, epilepsy, mental illnesses, speech impediments, traumatic brain injuries, even blindness and deafness, a Houston Chronicle investigation has found.

More than a dozen teachers and administrators from across the state told the Chronicle they have delayed or denied special education to disabled students in order to stay below the 8.5 percent benchmark. They revealed a variety of methods, from putting kids into a cheaper alternative program known as "Section 504" to persuading parents to pull their children out of public school altogether.

Texas is the only state that has ever set a target for special education enrollment, records show.

It has been remarkably effective.

In the years since its implementation, the rate of Texas kids receiving special education has plummeted from near the national average of 13 percent to the lowest in the country — by far.

In 2015, for the first time, it fell to exactly 8.5 percent.

If Texas provided services at the same rate as the rest of the U.S., 250,000 more kids would be getting critical services such as therapy, counseling and one-on-one tutoring.

Spokesmen for numerous school districts, including Humble, Houston and Tyler, said they have not denied special ed to any children with disabilities. Several said their rates had declined because they had used early intervention programs to reduce the number of disabled kids.

Education experts told the Chronicle that there is no evidence that the instructional techniques being used in Texas — which are in classrooms nationwide — lower special education percentages.

A Dallas ISD spokeswoman defended that district's low percentage by noting it "falls within the Texas state acceptable range of 0%-8.5%."

After receiving a list of the Chronicle's findings, a U.S. Department of Education spokeswoman said her office would look into the Texas policy.

"It is important that states carry out their responsibilities under the law to ensure that all children who are suspected of having a disability are evaluated in a timely manner to determine eligibility for special education and related services," said the spokeswoman, Dorie Nolt. "Once we have more information from state officials, we will determine if further actions are necessary."

From https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-21/texas-saved-billions-cutting-special-education-now-the-bill-comes-due this past august:

 

Quote

U.S. officials ruled that both the state and local districts in Texas had violated the Individuals With Disabilities Education Act, or IDEA, a federal law that requires all students who qualify receive special education services.

Since IDEA’s passage in 1975, educational opportunities afforded American children with conditions including autism, dyslexia and cerebral palsy have changed profoundly. Rather than being isolated, more than 60 percent of them spend over 80 percent of their time in general-education classrooms, receiving specialized assistance while integrated into the broader school environment.

Lindsay Jones, the chief policy and advocacy officer for the National Center on Learning Disabilities, or NCLD, called the move to deprive vulnerable students of necessary services “absolutely the largest-scale violation” of the law since its passage in 1975.

By one TEA estimate, the level of enrollment before 2004 indicates that as many as 200,000 students who should be getting special education services are not. Additionally, by one estimate more than 150,000 students who have since left may have gone unserved.

As the 2018-19 school year starts, the TEA is under orders from Washington to ensure that districts find, evaluate and provide services to eligible students currently enrolled, and offer compensatory services to those who missed out. State officials and disability rights advocates say that’s going to require unorthodox searches, including looking for young adults in mental hospitals and correctional facilities, two populations studies have shown to have higher-than-average rates of undiagnosed learning disabilities. 

 

Edited September 15, 2018 by Goredho

[CooterBrown 18272]

Lets just keep this fucking thread pinned to the top of this board.  I've got two kids with special needs, and the stance on special education described in the linked articles is in large part  why we moved our family out of state.  After 2 years of fighting with Leander ISD to get our kids the services they needed and being, well, denied, we moved out of state.  After 4 weeks of observation, we met with officials at our new out-of-state school to come up with an educational plan for our kids.  We braced for a fight.  Immediately, before we ever asked for anything, they offered 4x the hours of occupational therapy and other services that Leander ISD ever offered us after 2 years of fighting.

 

On the bright side, it looks like the problem is being corrected.  Too late for my kids, and only through an act of the federal government vs a crisis of republican conscience, but its a good thing for kids in Texas.

 

Anyway, Texas republicans need to go fuck themselves with that nasty barbed dildo from "SE7EN".  At least those not ideologically aligned with Joe Strauss, which seems like all there is any more.  Texas has the 10th largest economy in the world and its booming.  Stop fucking nickel-and-diming education.  If you undermine public schools and make the opportunities of a decent education a privilege only the wealthy class can afford, you're basically telling your constituents that their children need to "eat educational cake".  Here's to you assholes losing your heads -- politically or physically -- whatever it takes.

 

From https://www.houstonchronicle.com/denied/1/ in 2016:

 

 

Over a decade ago, the officials arbitrarily decided what percentage of students should get special education services — 8.5 percent — and since then they have forced school districts to comply by strictly auditing those serving too many kids.

Their efforts, which started in 2004 but have never been publicly announced or explained, have saved the Texas Education Agency billions of dollars but denied vital supports to children with autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, dyslexia, epilepsy, mental illnesses, speech impediments, traumatic brain injuries, even blindness and deafness, a Houston Chronicle investigation has found.

More than a dozen teachers and administrators from across the state told the Chronicle they have delayed or denied special education to disabled students in order to stay below the 8.5 percent benchmark. They revealed a variety of methods, from putting kids into a cheaper alternative program known as "Section 504" to persuading parents to pull their children out of public school altogether.

 

Texas is the only state that has ever set a target for special education enrollment, records show.

It has been remarkably effective.

In the years since its implementation, the rate of Texas kids receiving special education has plummeted from near the national average of 13 percent to the lowest in the country — by far.

In 2015, for the first time, it fell to exactly 8.5 percent.

If Texas provided services at the same rate as the rest of the U.S., 250,000 more kids would be getting critical services such as therapy, counseling and one-on-one tutoring.

Spokesmen for numerous school districts, including Humble, Houston and Tyler, said they have not denied special ed to any children with disabilities. Several said their rates had declined because they had used early intervention programs to reduce the number of disabled kids.

Education experts told the Chronicle that there is no evidence that the instructional techniques being used in Texas — which are in classrooms nationwide — lower special education percentages.

A Dallas ISD spokeswoman defended that district's low percentage by noting it "falls within the Texas state acceptable range of 0%-8.5%."

After receiving a list of the Chronicle's findings, a U.S. Department of Education spokeswoman said her office would look into the Texas policy.

"It is important that states carry out their responsibilities under the law to ensure that all children who are suspected of having a disability are evaluated in a timely manner to determine eligibility for special education and related services," said the spokeswoman, Dorie Nolt. "Once we have more information from state officials, we will determine if further actions are necessary."

From https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-21/texas-saved-billions-cutting-special-education-now-the-bill-comes-due this past August:

 

U.S. officials ruled that both the state and local districts in Texas had violated the Individuals With Disabilities Education Act, or IDEA, a federal law that requires all students who qualify receive special education services.

Since IDEA’s passage in 1975, educational opportunities afforded American children with conditions including autism, dyslexia and cerebral palsy have changed profoundly. Rather than being isolated, more than 60 percent of them spend over 80 percent of their time in general-education classrooms, receiving specialized assistance while integrated into the broader school environment.

Lindsay Jones, the chief policy and advocacy officer for the National Center on Learning Disabilities, or NCLD, called the move to deprive vulnerable students of necessary services “absolutely the largest-scale violation” of the law since its passage in 1975.

By one TEA estimate, the level of enrollment before 2004 indicates that as many as 200,000 students who should be getting special education services are not. Additionally, by one estimate more than 150,000 students who have since left may have gone unserved.

As the 2018-19 school year starts, the TEA is under orders from Washington to ensure that districts find, evaluate and provide services to eligible students currently enrolled, and offer compensatory services to those who missed out. State officials and disability rights advocates say that’s going to require unorthodox searches, including looking for young adults in mental hospitals and correctional facilities, two populations studies have shown to have higher-than-average rates of undiagnosed learning disabilities. 

 

 

 

My daughter was denied dyslexia services in 2nd grade because she was too intelligent even though her decoding rate was only 2%. We were in private school at the time but you get evaluated and get services from the public school district. Since we had no other options, we hired a private CALT tutor. in two years she was above grade level in reading. It was $1600/month. Well worth it but you’re fucked if you can’t afford it and have to rely on the school district. We ended up going to public school in 5th grade and discovered there were a dozen dyslexic kids out of 90 in 5th grade. We figured our daughter didn’t make the cut earlier because of the cap on kids that get services.

[Goredho 17627]

2 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

 

 

My daughter was denied dyslexia services in 2nd grade because she was too intelligent even though her decoding rate was only 2%. We were in private school at the time but you get evaluated and get services from the public school district. Since we had no other options, we hired a private CALT tutor. in two years she was above grade level in reading. It was $1600/month. Well worth it but you’re fucked if you can’t afford it and have to rely on the school district. We ended up going to public school in 5th grade and discovered there were a dozen dyslexic kids out of 90 in 5th grade. We figured our daughter didn’t make the cut earlier because of the cap on kids that get services.

I guarantee your daughter didn't make the cut earlier because of that cap.  What we saw happen was that kids basically get ranked according to functional impairment.  Kids with the most impairment are at the top, those with the least are at the bottom.  If your kid have such impairment that they they are in the 8.5% at the top of the list, they get services.  If your kids don't have that level of functional impairment and fall below that line of 8.5% of students, they are ass out.  The process you will navigate to get your kids the services that your doctors are recommending will make collecting on an insurance claim seem like a wonderful experience in comparison.  Every road block imaginable will be thrown in your way to deter you and get you to give up.

[Thetexashammer 1062]

10 hours ago, Pancho Negro said:

We were told on the other website that it’s actually Republicans who are the party of diversity and inclusivity 

 

Can I be honest with you? I gain nothing from reading this post. You come off as simply hateful. I don't understand any of these issues, and I don't think you do either. And I think you have no interest in understanding the issues. 

If you simply think "Republicans hate kids" then you're the clown. And I hate Republicans. I mean, it could be true that everyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi. But I doubt it.

Edited September 15, 2018 by Thetexashammer

[mdmost 43852]

11 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Can I be honest with you? I gain nothing from reading this post.

Funny, most of us feel the same way about pretty much any post you troll out.

[77horn 216]

11 hours ago, Pancho Negro said:

They also voted to remove Helen Keller from the curriculum.

helen fucking keller

never get your news from twitter.....

the voted to not require Clinton and Keller be taught, from the Statesman:

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Texas high school students would no longer be required to learn about Hillary Clinton’s role as the first woman nominated for president by a major political party, according to proposed curriculum standards given preliminary approval by the State Board of Education on Friday.

Also eliminated from the proposed social studies standards: Barry Goldwater, the 1964 Republican presidential nominee who was the first ethnically Jewish presidential candidate from a major party and is considered the progenitor of the modern conservative movement.

In addition, Texas public school students would no longer be required to learn about Helen Keller, the disability rights advocate who was the first deaf and blind person to graduate from college.

They are not prohibited from teaching about them.  There are only so many hours of classroom teaching, yet every year there are more historically significant people.

but go ahead. Go by what twitter says and be all butt hurt.

 

 

[Js1 86945]

50 minutes ago, mchookem said:

the first woman to run for president as nominee of a major political in this country's history? nah, no historical significance there 🙄 

And first female winner of the popular vote and one of only, what, 5 nominees in history to win the popular vote but still not be president? 5 out of 58 total elections is worth noting in a history book. 

[Larry T. Spider 1747]

The state continuously puts us (districts) in a bad spot on serving kids with special needs. It’s not only the lack of funding, it’s the nasty audits you would get as punishment if you actually attempted provide services to “too many kids”. Districts that went over that 8.5% mark got shit on with audit after audit that took more time and resources away from students.

The response from districts was typically to serve dyslexic students through 504 instead of special education. Works great if your school has a great CALT and the kid is functioning high enough to attend a gen-ed class instead of a SPED class. Has always worked well for my school because we have two CALTs on campus, one of which only serves kids that aren’t in special ed. Most schools....not so much. 

But, things are looking better on that front already as we have gotten the go ahead to put more of the severe dyslexic kids in special education if that’s what they truly need. No thanks to TEA, the SBOE, and the Texas legislature. They never gave a damn about the kids and I’m happy the parents on here that got screwed are informed enough to point the blame in the right direction.

 

[Mole 4338]

WIthout context (what replaced these two or at least more of the reasoning) the OP is needless hysteria. If they were replaced by an extra few weeks on Ronald Reagan then the hand-wringing is warranted but I suspect that since so little context is actually provided and the context that is provided is clearly misleading that there are pretty good practical reasons for this. There are real educational battles to fight, such as the special education issues brought up here. If the Twitter responses are any indication of a Texas public education, there's also an issue of getting Texas students to think critically about the things they are reading. 

[pyrohornIII 4844]

19 minutes ago, 77horn said:

never get your news from twitter.....

the voted to not require Clinton and Keller be taught, from the Statesman:

They are not prohibited from teaching about them.  There are only so many hours of classroom teaching, yet every year there are more historically significant people.

but go ahead. Go by what twitter says and be all butt hurt.

 

 

I'm pretty sure most of us realize this.  By removing it from the requirements basically brushes it under the rug.   The Texas State Board of Education has a history of being run by conservative fundamentalists.  They have been appointed by R governors for years now, so they can't help but reflect that type of thinking.  

This is a much better article on it. 

https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-dr-news/wires/state-nation-world/texas-board-votes-to-eliminate-hillary-clinton-helen-keller-from-history-curriculum/

Quote

The board also voted to add back into the curriculum a reference to the “heroism” of the defenders of the Alamo, which had been recommended for elimination, as well as Moses’ influence on the writing of the founding documents, multiple references to “Judeo-Christian” values and a requirement that students explain how the “Arab rejection of the State of Israel has led to ongoing conflict” in the Middle East.

 

The original Dallas News article lists a lot of the changes, beyond what the dailyrepublic one does.  But it is paywalled since i read it yesterday.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2018/09/14/history-curriculum-texas-remembers-alamo-forgets-hillary-clinton-helen-keller

Edited September 15, 2018 by pyrohornIII

[Goredho 17627]

15 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

The state continuously puts us (districts) in a bad spot on serving kids with special needs. It’s not only the lack of funding, it’s the nasty audits you would get as punishment if you actually attempted provide services to “too many kids”. Districts that went over that 8.5% mark got shit on with audit after audit that took more time and resources away from students.

The response from districts was typically to serve dyslexic students through 504 instead of special education. Works great if your school has a great CALT and the kid is functioning high enough to attend a gen-ed class instead of a SPED class. Has always worked well for my school because we have two CALTs on campus, one of which only serves kids that aren’t in special ed. Most schools....not so much. 

But, things are looking better on that front already as we have gotten the go ahead to put more of the severe dyslexic kids in special education if that’s what they truly need. No thanks to TEA, the SBOE, and the Texas legislature. They never gave a damn about the kids and I’m happy the parents on here that got screwed are informed enough to point the blame in the right direction.

 

Yeah, we actually had a teacher pull us aside, pointed us to the chronicle expose and told us this is what we were up against.  I have no complaints with Texas teachers, many went above and beyond what they were required to do to attempt to help our kids. This is at a strategic level above the school districts.  I’m glad things are getting better for kids and professionals in the educational trenches.

[BrickHorn 18426]

They’ll still teach about Hillary Clinton in HERstory class though, right?

[77horn 216]

8 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

I'm pretty sure most of us realize this. 

 

"Erase ______ from curriculum" has an entirely different connotation than "not require".  I'd say the idiot author of the OP's twitter post either doesn't realize that or was trying to elicit an emotional response, which is exactly what the OP had.  And then he races over here to post the outrage du jour.

But seriously, people who quote a twitter post as "reliable", are not looking for the truth.

[Goredho 17627]

Also, that Houston Chronicle “Denied” expose is exactly why a free press is necessary and good.  The problem of special ed in Texas only came to light because of it.  The positive change that appears to be happening is because journalism, the free press and mainstream media exists and worked.

A free press is not the enemy of the people.  A government operating in a vacuum of scrutiny is the enemy of the people.  A free press is a critical check against a government that strays from serving the people.

[Js1 86945]

49 minutes ago, 77horn said:

"Erase ______ from curriculum" has an entirely different connotation than "not require".  I'd say the idiot author of the OP's twitter post either doesn't realize that or was trying to elicit an emotional response, which is exactly what the OP had.  And then he races over here to post the outrage du jour.

But seriously, people who quote a twitter post as "reliable", are not looking for the truth.

Agreed but why Hillary specifically? Reeks out conservative butthurt to not require anything about the first female nominees of a major party to win the popular vote be taught to HS kids. Just fucking teach history as it happened - stop picking and choosing what happened that should be taught. 

[pyrohornIII 4844]

47 minutes ago, 77horn said:

"Erase ______ from curriculum" has an entirely different connotation than "not require".  I'd say the idiot author of the OP's twitter post either doesn't realize that or was trying to elicit an emotional response, which is exactly what the OP had.  And then he races over here to post the outrage du jour.

But seriously, people who quote a twitter post as "reliable", are not looking for the truth.

That twitter link Pancho posted was tweeted by TheHIll, which is the organization that published the article it links.  That is all it does is draw attention to the article.  

And yes, they did erase (remove/wipe out/expunge) Hillary Clinton along with Keller and others from the required curriculum.  I mean seriously...right from the headline itself.

Quote

Texas State Board of Education votes to erase Hillary Clinton from history curriculum

   But anyway.  Go on with your outrage about his outrage.    Not ironic or anything. 

[TKthunder2 5058]

11 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Agreed but why Hillary specifically? Reeks out conservative butthurt to not require anything about the first female nominees of a major party to win the popular vote be taught to HS kids. Just fucking teach history as it happened - stop picking and choosing what happened that should be taught. 

The only significant presidential losers (not including those that eventually became presidents) in history I remember being taugh in school was Barry Goldwater.  I assume Gore might get taugh now for all the craziness surrounding the recount and courts but nothing about Hillary’s run is very significant.  There plenty of thing to complain about in Texas education but this is not it, it’s simply low hanging clickbait.

[yaqdum 182]

history will look at nixon and reagan as mr inside and mr outside.

[Pancho 46055]

2 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

Can I be honest with you? I gain nothing from reading this post. You come off as simply hateful. I don't understand any of these issues, and I don't think you do either. And I think you have no interest in understanding the issues. 

If you simply think "Republicans hate kids" then you're the clown. And I hate Republicans. I mean, it could be true that everyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi. But I doubt it.

 I work in education, so yes, I know what the issues are.  For you to assume that I don’t make you look idiotic. 

Where did I say Republicans hate kids?   Seriously, where in the fuck did that come from?  Is that what you got from my post?  Jesus Christ.

So you’ve failed twice here with your assuming.  

You know what they say about assumptions...

[Js1 86945]

9 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

The only significant presidential losers (not including those that eventually became presidents) in history I remember being taugh in school was Barry Goldwater.  I assume Gore might get taugh now for all the craziness surrounding the recount and courts but nothing about Hillary’s run is very significant.  There plenty of thing to complain about in Texas education but this is not it, it’s simply low hanging clickbait.

I graduated HS in 07 and we definitely were taught about Quincy Adams (first to be chosen by HOR), Hayes (deal to end reconstruction) and Bush/Gore (decided by SCOTUS). Because there have only been now 5 popular vote winner/electoral college losers in our history.

You’re trolling. First female nominee at the top of the ticket of a major party in US history. As historical as Obama being the first AA. 

Edited September 15, 2018 by Js1

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 hours ago, 77horn said:

never get your news from twitter.....

the voted to not require Clinton and Keller be taught, from the Statesman:

They are not prohibited from teaching about them.  There are only so many hours of classroom teaching, yet every year there are more historically significant people.

but go ahead. Go by what twitter says and be all butt hurt.

 

 

Did someone argue that teachers were prohibited from teaching those subjects? Geezus what a dumbass post. You should go work for the Texas board of education. 

 

[Thetexashammer 1062]

17 minutes ago, Pancho Negro said:

 I work in education, so yes, I know what the issues are.  For you to assume that I don’t make you look idiotic. 

Where did I say Republicans hate kids?   Seriously, where in the fuck did that come from?  Is that what you got from my post?  Jesus Christ.

So you’ve failed twice here with your assuming.  

You know what they say about assumptions...

You were discussing the education of children, or so I thought. 

I'm on solid ground to say that you think Republicans hate minorities, which is what your sarcastic comment implied."Do you think Republicans hate women and minorities?" would have served the same rhetorical effect. Is "republicans hate women and minorities" what you were really trying to say?

[TKthunder2 5058]

28 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I graduated HS in 07 and we definitely were taught about Quincy Adams (first to be chosen by HOR), Hayes (deal to end reconstruction) and Bush/Gore (decided by SCOTUS). Because there have only been now 5 popular vote winner/electoral college losers in our history.

You’re trolling. First female nominee at the top of the ticket of a major party in US history. As historical as Obama being the first AA. 

Read my post more closely.  I specifically said people that did not end up as president.  Obviously Adam, Jefferson, Q Adams, and even Nixon are significant being how they actually became president. Hayes was a president so I’m not sure why you brought him up.  I mentioned that Gore was significant in as far as the recount and Supreme Court were involved.  Still I don’t see how Hillary is significant in a historical context.  Her presidential run didn’t trigger any mass political change (like Goldwater) or any procedural precedent that will be historical in any way shape or form.  The only way she’s historical is because she is a woman, that a footnote in history like Geraldine Ferraro but it’s not essential to educating student at this moment.  Now if the Trump presidency end in 2020 and Dems take over the country for the next 20 years historians may apply more significance to Hillary’s campaign and mark it as a turning point in the American political theater, but until that happens Hillary’s presidential run is pretty much the same as the multiple failed presidential run that came before her.

[Mole 4338]

From the poorly written article, it appears that they were aware of the ease with which this could become politicized and established a rubric to inject some objectivity into this. So she scored poorly on the rubric. It happens.

Considering the lack of depth that a school history course can get into, I don't really see a problem focusing on more historically significant figures. Calling Hillary "as historical as Obama" ignores the fact that Obama won twice and was president twice. There are real problems to address, but this looks like an attempt to score cheap political points, particularly with the dishonest way it has been framed.

[High Plains Drifter 11162]

What is all this about "required" curriculum?

Hillary is either part of the curriculum or she isn't.

 

 

[RPM 26562]

On 9/14/2018 at 10:42 PM, Pancho Negro said:

They also voted to remove Helen Keller from the curriculum.

helen fucking keller

Did not see that coming.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13708]

High schools teach that Obama was president and Hillary was the 2016 nominee?  My schools in the late 80s had text books that ended with the Vietnam war as an ongoing conflict.  Kids today got it pretty good with modern learning.

[F250 29177]

I think my U.S. history class in high school had about 15 paragraphs dedicated to WWII. It wasn't until college that I learned about the significant influence that the Soviet Union had on the outcome of the war. They tend to skip on a lot of shit. Granted, the cold war was still going so maybe they intentionally left out the commies contribution.

Come to think of it, the coverage of the Texas revolution was heavily sugar coated too.

 

 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5165]

6 hours ago, RPM said:

Did not see that coming.

Probably didn’t hear it either. 

[Chad Fuck 18092]

21 hours ago, F250 said:

I think my U.S. history class in high school had about 15 paragraphs dedicated to WWII. It wasn't until college that I learned about the significant influence that the Soviet Union had on the outcome of the war. They tend to skip on a lot of shit. Granted, the cold war was still going so maybe they intentionally left out the commies contribution.

Come to think of it, the coverage of the Texas revolution was heavily sugar coated too.

 

 

I remember my 8th Grade Texas History teacher (who I thought was great at the time) teaching that the War Between the States was really about "states rights."  Even then I scratched my head, but now I'm just like "what the fuck, east Texas?"  

And this was in the late 80s.  20 years post-Civil Rights.  But she was a gray haired old lady, so old dogs I guess.

[High Plains Drifter 11162]

Did they call it The War of Northern Aggression?

[Mole 4338]

Leo Tolstoy's original title for War and Peace was War, What Is It Good For.

[NameAlreadyInUse 5165]

1 hour ago, Mole said:

Leo Tolstoy's original title for War and Peace was War, What Is It Good For.

Good God, y'all!

[Texas Jeff 1998]

You can read the draft changes to the social studies TEKS (Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills) here:

https://tea.texas.gov/Academics/Curriculum_Standards/TEKS_Texas_Essential_Knowledge_and_Skills_(TEKS)_Review/Social_Studies_TEKS_Streamlining_Work_Group_Drafts/

These are marked up documents showing the changes, one each for elementary, middle school, and high school.

Other subject area reviews are here:

https://tea.texas.gov/curriculum/teks-review/

[Jiggy-Z 3507]

This is how we end up with regressive taxes.  Not in one fell swoop but bit by bit.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13708]

3 hours ago, Texas Jeff said:

You can read the draft changes to the social studies TEKS (Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills) here:

https://tea.texas.gov/Academics/Curriculum_Standards/TEKS_Texas_Essential_Knowledge_and_Skills_(TEKS)_Review/Social_Studies_TEKS_Streamlining_Work_Group_Drafts/

These are marked up documents showing the changes, one each for elementary, middle school, and high school.

Other subject area reviews are here:

https://tea.texas.gov/curriculum/teks-review/

A quick glance of the high school social studies changes and they're removing

• "describe the optimism of the many immigrants who sought a better life in America [from 1877-1898]"
• and the "historic significance of the 2008 Presidential election"   

Both of these topics seem to speak to the greatness of America.    Why people want to come to America and how a second generation half-African kid can become President.   

And I understand that as we continually create new history, something from the past has to be dropped from the school curriculum.  Unless you want to add days to the school year.

 

[ChickenSandwich 9918]

On 9/15/2018 at 9:39 AM, Thetexashammer said:

Can I be honest with you? I gain nothing from reading this post. You come off as simply hateful. I don't understand any of these issues, and I don't think you do either. And I think you have no interest in understanding the issues. 

If you simply think "Republicans hate kids" then you're the clown. And I hate Republicans. I mean, it could be true that everyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi. But I doubt it.

If the Democrats loved education as much as is being portrayed (and evil Republicans against), they would be fighting illegal immigration and for border security. 

Education is given by dollars/students. 250k new students (children born to illegal immigrants) and educating all of the illegal children attending schools has a real cost (not just bi-lingual teachers and classes). Each extra student is taking education money directly away from an American student. How to you properly fund education when your resources are maxed by outside forces?  

 Every dollar spent on education for these children steals from American children.  You have to be honest with yourself and admit there is a serious cost and address it transparently in the budget and give the voters the real information. Don’t just say “we don’t give enough money” because that ignores the problems and challenges Texas faces in education with a border under siege. It is also telling that California is right by Texas with a terrible public school rating. What is the common denominator? 

 

Edited September 22, 2018 by ChickenSandwich

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

On 9/20/2018 at 3:19 PM, Chad Fuck said:

I remember my 8th Grade Texas History teacher (who I thought was great at the time) teaching that the War Between the States was really about "states rights."  Even then I scratched my head, but now I'm just like "what the fuck, east Texas?"  

And this was in the late 80s.  20 years post-Civil Rights.  But she was a gray haired old lady, so old dogs I guess.

I learned it that way too.  Accepted the teaching.  I remember telling my older brother this afterward and he just said “yeah, the right to do what?” 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

On 9/15/2018 at 10:56 AM, Js1 said:

And first female winner of the popular vote and one of only, what, 5 nominees in history to win the popular vote but still not be president? 5 out of 58 total elections is worth noting in a history book. 

I think Hillary should be taught in school.  Kids need to learn what happens to people who try to fuck over the system, use dirty tricks, fuck people over, tell lies, and are embroiled in endless scandal in their illegal attempts to gain power at any cost. Kinda like how Capone should be taught. Show the abject failures to teach important life lessons.  

You often learn more from failure than you do from success at times, and Hillary is a classic cautionary tale of greed, lies, naked ambition, mixed with scandal and no morals.  Maybe some good can come out of the bitches deeply flawed life and her failure as a direct result of her flaws.

[ChickenSandwich 9918]

If Texas were to do the responsible thing and audit our public schools to see how many non-citizen children we are educating and address it in the budget openly and transparently, it would be panned as racist immediately. 

The Democrats will never let this happen, as to give the voters real transparent information would derail the “victim” hype train they live off of. Why are you scared of the truth?

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

6 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

I learned it that way too.  Accepted the teaching.  I remember telling my older brother this afterward and he just said “yeah, the right to do what?” 

Growing up in Va. in the late 60's 's to the early 80's you're in the middle of the wars front and back yard. We were always ...ALWAYS taught it was abut slavery, and nothing else.  States rights was an issue discussed, but mainly as it related to states using it to prolong slavery.