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10 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

 


If Cruz repeated this gibberish during a debate he would be laughed off the stage.

 

Pick a dollar amount, say it here, open a PayPal account and wager whatever you can afford that Cruz loses to Francis. I'll take that bet, hold my nose, and laugh at you when I cash your check. 

 

Again, I can't stand Cruz..... but I know he'll win. 

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I refuse to rehash was what done under the last administration as we have done that for 32 pages. Some of it was right, some of it was wrong, but it is in no way equal to what is going on now. They are taking kids (still), refusing to tell the parents where they are, and in many cases refusing to return the kids. Any opinion other than outrage just sounds ridiculous.

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10 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

I refuse to rehash was what done under the last administration as we have done that for 32 pages. Some of it was right, some of it was wrong, but it is in no way equal to what is going on now. They are taking kids (still), refusing to tell the parents where they are, and in many cases refusing to return the kids. Any opinion other than outrage just sounds ridiculous.

Translation: 

 

I refuse to hold chicago jesus as culpable for his sins in dealing with illegal kids, but I sure as shit held W accountable for getting us into a stupid war in Iraq over bullshit weapons that had been destroyed or moved to other countries. 

You know you did. Don't be disingenuous. 

"Go team blue!" 

 

Be better my man. Be objective. 

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8 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

 

Another potential PayPal bet? 

 

Again, I can't stand Crus, but he'll win. Someone, please grow some balls and try and take my money! I'm literally offering to give it away to the biased masses! 

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2 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Yeah, I am sure Con Law is first and foremost on the minds of the average Texas voter. 

And that sucks for the average Texas voter. We are a nation of laws and the constitution and bill of rights serve as the backbone of those laws. 

 

How can I apologize for ignorant people that know more about Kim kardashian's new cum stain removing eye cream than know about what the 4th amendment is? 

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2 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Yeah, I am sure Con Law is first and foremost on the minds of the average Texas voter. 

This.  While Cruz might know a lot of trivia and legalese, probably has the ability to form arguments to persuade or defend, he isn't the one who has been out there traveling Texas for the past several months.  Beto has engaged Texans from all walks of life repeatedly.  He isn't using cambridge analytic type information to decipher what is on the minds of Texas voters.  He is talking to them and their friends and listening to what they say.   

He has sincerity going for him.  So even if Cruz wins some technical points, Beto will be winning votes by speaking for the people. 

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5 minutes ago, Clob94 said:

And that sucks for the average Texas voter. We are a nation of laws and the constitution and bill of rights serve as the backbone of those laws. 

 

How can I apologize for ignorant people that know more about Kim kardashian's new cum stain removing eye cream than know about what the 4th amendment is? 

Even con lawyers find con law tedious. It's arguing about how many angels can fit on the head of a pin, and since when are Senators supposed to be con law specialists? They are supposed to represent their constituents, not argue over the finer points of con law like some madrassa graduates who can cite you chapter and verse of the Koran. 

Your reductio ad absurdam speaks for itself, troll. 

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So I've read that Teddy wants to have five debates and put them all on Friday nights. I am assuming he will think that the olds will be energized by his performance in these debates and the frivolous yoots will all be out drinking, drugging and fornicating. Which they very well might be.

 

So if I were a Dem strategist, I would get some popular bars to agree to screen the debates. Negotiate some drink specials. Have the ground team out there. Lubricate the youth in their masses into solidarity. Make these like Super Bowls. Hell, in the old days, debates like these were more like parties than stiff affairs. Candidates rolled out barrels of whiskey for voters. Beto's team could subtly do the same, while Cruz's voters sit there at home eating their TV dinners and nodding disapprovingly at that scoundrel from El Paso. 

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54 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

This.  While Cruz might know a lot of trivia and legalese, probably has the ability to form arguments to persuade or defend, he isn't the one who has been out there traveling Texas for the past several months.  Beto has engaged Texans from all walks of life repeatedly.  He isn't using cambridge analytic type information to decipher what is on the minds of Texas voters.  He is talking to them and their friends and listening to what they say.   

He has sincerity going for him.  So even if Cruz wins some technical points, Beto will be winning votes by speaking for the people. 

PayPal bet my man. Pick your number. Money where mouth is. Can't stand Cruz but at least i can make some chedda off of biased suckers. 

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50 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Even con lawyers find con law tedious. It's arguing about how many angels can fit on the head of a pin, and since when are Senators supposed to be con law specialists? They are supposed to represent their constituents, not argue over the finer points of con law like some madrassa graduates who can cite you chapter and verse of the Koran. 

Your reductio ad absurdam speaks for itself, troll. 

You're right. Texans don't care about the finer points of the Constitution. 

 

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And if you're stupid enough to believe that children were not separated from their parents under the previous administration, then you're willfully ignorant and totally uniformed. 


Me and Mojo spent a good part of a day repeatedly asking for a quantification of this claim with no success. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point this did occasionally happen during Obama's 8 years, but being that posters making this claim would suddenly go deaf when asked for more info points to more ham fisted false equivalents.

So again, poster I don't recall from the Shag claiming he's never voted Republican, this is your opportunity to teach and inform. How many children did the Obama administration separate from their families during his 8 years? Links.
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8 hours ago, Clob94 said:

Dude, that's played out. It happened under the previous admin. I know the pearl clutching is strong with you and your ilk, and it was wrong to do it under the previous admin, and #whataboutism shouldn't apply. I sat in the corpus airport about to fly out to PHX several years ago when I noticed that 90% of the people waiting to board my 737 to a dallas connection were latino/a kids. I approached the counter and asked the lady what was up. She smiled and said that these were illegal kids being taken to dallas for health purposes. 

 

I smiled back and said "ok" and took my seat. 

 

It made sense to me at the time. Separate kids from adults because who knows what diseases may be spread from adult to child, and child to adult. Then I realized I was on a 737 with kids that "could" be sick with something I may not be immune to. There's no right way to protect these folks. Only degrees of right. 

Smell that? It’s the smell of bullshit

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Me and Mojo spent a good part of a day repeatedly asking for a quantification of this claim with no success. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point this did occasionally happen during Obama's 8 years, but being that posters making this claim would suddenly go deaf when asked for more info points to more ham fisted false equivalents.

So again, poster I don't recall from the Shag claiming he's never voted Republican, this is your opportunity to teach and inform. How many children did the Obama administration separate from their families during his 8 years? Links.


Jeff Sessions zero tolerance press conference confirms new policy that lead to mass separations.
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47 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Smell that? It’s the smell of bullshit

Sorry for the delay. Some of us sleep at night. 

www.thenation.com/article/why-is-the-obama-administration-keeping-toddlers-behind-bars/

http://kut.org/post/one-woman-817-children-caring-kids-undocumented-parents

Here's two articles I found in about 2 minutes. 

 

Frankly, I could care less if you believe what I witnessed or not. My world doesn't rise and set on your beliefs. But I know what I saw, I know what I was told, I know where I was and I know it happened. Don't be naive, children at some point, are separated from their parents when coming to this country. Some accounts were hours, some days, some longer. It's wrong, regardless of which admin is in control. There must be SOME accountability on the part of the parents. In 2014 (the year of the incident I witnessed) some children were showing up at the border without their parents. Why? Because their parents left them behind to come to the states, or sent their kids across alone. Whether done by choice or by government, children were apart from their parents. Which is worse? They both suck. 

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2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Friday nights? During football season?

This is the exact avenue O'Rourke should use to respond to this proposed debate schedule.

"My opponent Ted Cruz has proposed a debate schedule for Friday nights in the Fall. As a real Texan I understand why that's a bad idea."

Again, I know it's probably not the best political move but I'd tie it into Cruz's refusal to defend his wife and father.

"I don't let blowhards from New York City speak badly about my wife and father and I don't schedule important debates at a time that will force Texans to choose between watching us and watching their children."

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Yeah I totally see this scenarios happening:

You: hey counter lady, what’s up with all these brown kids?

counter lady: *with a smile* oh they’re illegal kids being taken to Dallas to treat their disease

You: oh cool! Look how happy they look!

 

yeah, that totes happened

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Does anyone think that Cruz has been to a high school football game in his life?

 

On my commute to work today, I actually saw a Cruz sign on someone's yard, the "Texas Tough" or "tough as Texas" version.  you can call Ted a lot of things, but tough?    What's next, "Dan Patrick, no resemblance to Tig Notaro"

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6 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

This is the exact avenue O'Rourke should use to respond to this proposed debate schedule.

"My opponent Ted Cruz has proposed a debate schedule for Friday nights in the Fall. As a real Texan I understand why that's a bad idea."

Again, I know it's probably not the best political move but I'd tie it into Cruz's refusal to defend his wife and father.

"I don't let blowhards from New York City speak badly about my wife and father and I don't schedule important debates at a time that will force Texans to choose between watching us and watching their children."

"I was born and raised in Texas. I know how important high school football is to the voters of this state. 'Friday Night Lights' was about the tradition and importance of high school football in Texas - not California, not New York, not Calgary.  Why is Ted Cruz trying to schedule debates on Friday nights? Why is Ted Cruz trying to hide from voters across the state when he is up for re-election? I've visited all 254 countries of this state during my campaign to talk to anyone and everyone from the Golden Triangle to the Panhandle to the Valley. Why is Ted Cruz trying to avoid the Texans he claims to represent?"

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1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Does anyone think that Cruz has been to a high school football game in his life?

He's probably been to one as a campaign promo. 

I see it going something like this.

It was a great game. A few of our great young Texans hit home runs.

Spokesperson: What Cruz meant is that they hit home runs in the game of life. They are tremendous athletes and scholars. 

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1 minute ago, longhornmatt said:

One of Cruz’s big pre-planned applause lines in the GOP Presidential primary debates was something about how the last Democrat debate “sounded like a debate between the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks!”   Then he paused and kept waiting for the thunderous applause he was sure would be coming.  

But of course it never did come because (a) most people probably didn’t even get the Bolshevik reference, (b) virtually nobody got the Menshevik reference, and (c) even if they did, it was still lame.

Ted Cruz is not a good at debates which aren’t being judged on academic criteria.  Political debates are just an opportunity to make people like you and trust that you’ll be a good representative for them.  He, uh, struggles with the former regardless of the audience, and only accomplishes the latter if the audience is strictly right wing partisans.

I would laugh about the Bolsheviks and Menshevik line because it would be so out of touch.  Which is Cruz at his finest.   At UT, I took a class that touched on Russian history, definitely their revolutions, but I don't even recall the details of the Mensheviks' philosophy.  

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1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I would laugh about the Bolsheviks and Menshevik line because it would be so out of touch.  Which is Cruz at his finest.   At UT, I took a class that touched on Russian history, definitely their revolutions, but I don't even recall the details of the Mensheviks' philosophy.  

Mensheviks were the labor party, in essence. Both were still Marxist or Leninist.

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1 hour ago, Clob94 said:

Sorry for the delay. Some of us sleep at night. 

www.thenation.com/article/why-is-the-obama-administration-keeping-toddlers-behind-bars/

http://kut.org/post/one-woman-817-children-caring-kids-undocumented-parents

Here's two articles I found in about 2 minutes. 

 

Frankly, I could care less if you believe what I witnessed or not. My world doesn't rise and set on your beliefs. But I know what I saw, I know what I was told, I know where I was and I know it happened. Don't be naive, children at some point, are separated from their parents when coming to this country. Some accounts were hours, some days, some longer. It's wrong, regardless of which admin is in control. There must be SOME accountability on the part of the parents. In 2014 (the year of the incident I witnessed) some children were showing up at the border without their parents. Why? Because their parents left them behind to come to the states, or sent their kids across alone. Whether done by choice or by government, children were apart from their parents. Which is worse? They both suck. 

Ok--so here's the problem: you're talking about something completely different.

In 2014, people (primarily) in Central America started sending their kids unaccompanied to the United States in hopes of obtaining asylum.  It coincided with the Obama Administration's implementation of DACA.  Of course, the DACA program only applies to people who had already entered the United States accompanied by their parents.  So it wouldn't apply to unaccompanied minors.  But as it went through the Central American rumor mill, somehow people got the idea that if they sent their kids to America they'd be let in and not deported under DACA.

In other words, people in Central America were sending their kids to the United States alone.  That's what you saw at CRP.  And that's what the article you posted is about.

The Obama Administration did not, however, split children up from their parents if they arrived here together.  That's what Trump is doing, and that's different.  That's kidnapping.  It's the difference between me sending my kids unaccompanied to Dallas on Southwest Airlines to visit their grandparents and a flight attendant grabbing my kids from me at the airport and putting them on an undisclosed flight to some undisclosed location and not telling me how to find them.

 

 

And for the record, if you want to weed through the scat porn and look back at the old site, you'll see that I was very critical of the Obama Administration's actions in 2014.  Irrespective of what you think of DACA, I thought it was somewhat foreseeable that it would lead to an increase in immigration by children.  And it became apparent at a very early stage that (1) the government hadn't anticipated that particular consequence and (2) was woefully unprepared for that unintended consequence.  I still think that was a huge demerit for that Administration, which doesn't lack for demerits.  

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14 hours ago, Clob94 said:

He is. But don't kid yourself-- in a game of Constitutional Law Trivia pursuit, Teddy would definitely whip the ass of anyone you know. It's about all he's good at. 

Maybe but didn’t Cruz write something like a law school paper on presidential pardon powers and then when asked about the same subject matter a couple months ago ended up sounding like a unadulterated simple minded dumbass? 

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21 minutes ago, achooloco said:

Maybe but didn’t Cruz write something like a law school paper on presidential pardon powers and then when asked about the same subject matter a couple months ago ended up sounding like a unadulterated simple minded dumbass? 

with any luck, he's got the grail already

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24 minutes ago, Lagunamadre said:

That is a good start. I'd love it if he could keep them all that positive. Let Cruz throw the mud, people are fucking tired of mud-slinging. 

You're totally underestimating the already proven results of being vile, hateful and dumb.  Dumb hateful people love dumb hateful shit and they're the majority.  

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4 hours ago, horncyclist said:

Someone with some Beto campaign connections needs to relay these responses to the Friday night proposal. They'll probably come to it on their own but it's a perfect way to show how out of touch Cruz is.

I have the email address for the organizing branch and have sent things before, that actually garnered responses.   I explained the board and cut and paste some of you guys' suggestions.  We shall see. 

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5 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

This is the exact avenue O'Rourke should use to respond to this proposed debate schedule.

"My opponent Ted Cruz has proposed a debate schedule for Friday nights in the Fall. As a real Texan I understand why that's a bad idea."

Again, I know it's probably not the best political move but I'd tie it into Cruz's refusal to defend his wife and father.

"I don't let blowhards from New York City speak badly about my wife and father and I don't schedule important debates at a time that will force Texans to choose between watching us and watching their children."

 

5 hours ago, Js1 said:

"I was born and raised in Texas. I know how important high school football is to the voters of this state. 'Friday Night Lights' was about the tradition and importance of high school football in Texas - not California, not New York, not Calgary.  Why is Ted Cruz trying to schedule debates on Friday nights? Why is Ted Cruz trying to hide from voters across the state when he is up for re-election? I've visited all 254 countries of this state during my campaign to talk to anyone and everyone from the Golden Triangle to the Panhandle to the Valley. Why is Ted Cruz trying to avoid the Texans he claims to represent?"

Send that shit directly to Beto's campaign.

Edit: yeah, what others have already said

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