Cruz vs Beto

[Biff Tannen 46173]

1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:

Some glimmer of light would be nice in this Brisket World of Darkness.

Got the name for my metal/bbq album.

[Jack 51]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

Yeah, that motherfucker wants to protect the environment.  LOCK.  HIM.  UP.

The oil and gas industry is fairly important to the state so we view it differently than states like Oregon or Washington.  Many Texans view increased regulation as increasing the potential of losing their job.  The last oil crash is still fresh on our minds.

[Guest]

Just now, Jack said:

The oil and gas industry is fairly important to the state so we view it differently than states like Oregon or Washington.  Many Texans view increased regulation as increasing the potential of losing their job.  The last oil crash is still fresh on our minds.

This is a big deal right now in Colorado.

[Guest]

Hypothetical Question:

Is not voting for Ted Cruz (by not voting) really by proxy a vote for Beto? What I'm asking is, can I get half credit and cool points for just abstaining and letting Beto's wave do it's thing and I can just not actively help his opponent? Asking for a friend.

[bad_teammate 13560]

2 minutes ago, Jack said:

The oil and gas industry is fairly important to the state so we view it differently than states like Oregon or Washington.  Many Texans view increased regulation as increasing the potential of losing their job.  The last oil crash is still fresh on our minds.

And if it wasn't that there would be another reason. Concern trolls should always be ignored.

[bad_teammate 13560]

Just now, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

Hypothetical Question:

Is not voting for Ted Cruz (by not voting) really by proxy a vote for Beto? What I'm asking is, can I get half credit and cool points for just abstaining and letting Beto's wave do it's thing and I can just not actively help his opponent? Asking for a friend.

[ERhine 1938]

Troll gonna troll.

[Biff Tannen 46173]

1 minute ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

Hypothetical Question:

Is not voting for Ted Cruz (by not voting) really by proxy a vote for Beto? What I'm asking is, can I get half credit and cool points for just abstaining and letting Beto's wave do it's thing and I can just not actively help his opponent? Asking for a friend.

No.  You should vote your conscience and own your vote.

[Guest]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

Can I get that hug from my favorite poster, no matter what happens tomorrow, with the acknowledgement that we are human beings first and foremost and politics shouldn't keep us from being internet friends?

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3873]

I like to say I hope everyone votes.  But I secretly don't.

[RomaVicta 30604]

4 minutes ago, Jack said:

The oil and gas industry is fairly important to the state so we view it differently than states like Oregon or Washington.  Many Texans view increased regulation as increasing the potential of losing their job.  The last oil crash is still fresh on our minds.

Forgive me if I've missed it before, but what are your politics? I don't see any prejudice in your analysis, so I can't tell.

Do you wish the Dems had nominated a better candidate for winning than Beto? Do you have a candidate in mind? Maybe you're a GOP sick of Cruz and wished for a more conservative Dem to vote for?

Just curious.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

No.  You should vote your conscience and own your vote.

I'll probably vote for Beto, but not because of my conscience. My conscience is the opposite because I'm generally a single issue voter (pro-life). But I'm swept up in trying to be cool and topical and trendy I guess. J/k, just because it's really important to someone who asked me to vote.

[MidTexHorn 822]

Just now, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

I'll probably vote for Beto, but not because of my conscience. My conscience is the opposite because I'm generally a single issue voter (pro-life). But I'm swept up in trying to be cool and topical and trendy I guess. J/k, just because it's really important to someone who asked me to vote.

You already got your "pro-life" Supreme Court justices, now go place a vote for a real Texan who actually gives a shit even if his politics are a bit different than yours. It won't kill you, it might even do some good. Vote Beto.

[bad_teammate 13560]

3 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

Can I get that hug from my favorite poster, no matter what happens tomorrow, with the acknowledgement that we are human beings first and foremost and politics shouldn't keep us from being internet friends?

You can have a quick hand job, but THAT'S IT MISTER

No eye contact

[Jack 51]

14 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I don't predict outcomes. I have no idea what this crazy electorate will do or why.

In this case, I'm glad there is at least one candidate of conviction and integrity on the ballot, Beto. For the first time maybe ever, I felt like I was in a Frank Capra movie when I voted straight Dem. Up or down, I feel great about that vote. 

I don't care to vote for another robo-candidate specially packaged to be vague and pandering. Both sides churn them out in droves by either squeezing the individuality out of candidates or choosing vanilla Halloween masks in the first place.

I need to have a vote I can get behind with full mind and heart. I'm revolted by my country at the moment. I'm disgusted with the face of our government at the moment. Beto is right on the issues, and he's the kind of man/candidate we need in larger numbers from all over the spectrum.

Some glimmer of light would be nice in this Brisket World of darkness.

Moral victories don't mean shit.

 

 

Edited November 5, 2018 by Jack

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3873]

Spelling victories are still worth spelling trophies though.

[bad_teammate 13560]

"That Dem should be a Republican," Republicans

[Longhorn_Fan68 34106]

5 minutes ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

I'll probably vote for Beto, but not because of my conscience. My conscience is the opposite because I'm generally a single issue voter (pro-life). But I'm swept up in trying to be cool and topical and trendy I guess. J/k, just because it's really important to someone who asked me to vote.

If you were truly pro-life then you would never vote R again in your life. The best way to get of abortion is through education (abstinence-only is proven to be extremely ineffective), safe sex (access to contraception), and access to healthcare - none of which the GOP wants to fund.

[Grade of D as in David 13255]

19 minutes ago, Jack said:

I'm looking at his actual voting record here

http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/Beto-ORourke-412575

100% on gun control... 100% on raising taxes.. 79.2% on higher spending.. 99.4% on environmental protection. 100% on "robust safety net". 

Gun control alone will disqualify him with most moderate Texas republicans.

If Dems want a Senate seat in Texas, you can't put someone up there with this kind of voting record.

 

As a senator Ted has missed 238 of 1723 votes, 13.8%, compared to the median 1.5% of currently serving senators.  Hell he missed over 94% of votes q1 2016. If your boy isn't there to actually vote on record, does it do you any good to have him "representing" your interests?

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3873]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

If you were truly pro-life then you would never vote R again in your life. The best way to get of abortion is through education (abstinence-only is proven to be extremely ineffective), safe sex (access to contraception), and access to healthcare - none of which the GOP wants to fund.

"That Repub should be a Democrat," Democrat

[gmr548 16702]

If you were truly pro-life then you would never vote R again in your life. The best way to get of abortion is through education (abstinence-only is proven to be extremely ineffective), safe sex (access to contraception), and access to healthcare - none of which the GOP wants to fund.

As a senator Ted has missed 238 of 1723 votes, 13.8%, compared to the median 1.5% of currently serving senators.  Hell he missed over 94% of votes q1 2016. If your boy isn't there to actually vote on record, does it do you any good to have him "representing" your interests?

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[Longhorn_Fan68 34106]

Just now, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

"That Repub should be a Democrat," Democrat

nope. not even close. but if you can't see why, then there's no point in trying to explain it to you

[Js1 87200]

4 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

If you were truly pro-life then you would never vote R again in your life. The best way to get of abortion is through education (abstinence-only is proven to be extremely ineffective), safe sex (access to contraception), and access to healthcare - none of which the GOP wants to fund.

BUT THOSE THINGS COST MONEY!  We can't afford it.  Oh wait, sorry, Chuck Koch is on the line, gotta go vote for another tax cut.

[Huckleberry 34690]

19 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Soooo, the Dems should nominate a Republican? 

 

6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

"That Dem should be a Republican," Republicans

It's really that simple, and Texas Democrats have been getting their asses kicked for decades trying it.

As others mentioned, any Democrat in a general election is going to get "PELOSI SOCIALISM WILL BE LED BY BROWN INVADERS" rhetoric thrown at them. It's funny watching someone pretend like voting records matter in this election.

[RomaVicta 30604]

10 minutes ago, Jack said:

Moral victories don't mean shit.

 

 

What about principles and integrity? I mean, you cut a pretty tough sounding post, but what's the point of a victory that gains you nothing?

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

If you were truly pro-life then you would never vote R again in your life. The best way to get of abortion is through education (abstinence-only is proven to be extremely ineffective), safe sex (access to contraception), and access to healthcare - none of which the GOP wants to fund.

This is the other side of the "Dems should run Republicans" coin- Republicans

"If you are really pro-life, you should vote for the party who is pro-killing fetuses (babies, is the belief there)" - Pro-killing fetuses-ers.

Edited November 5, 2018 by Guest

[Anastasis 23723]

Fuck guys. Can we go 36 more hours without talking about abortion plz/ 

[Jack 51]

7 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Forgive me if I've missed it before, but what are your politics? I don't see any prejudice in your analysis, so I can't tell.

Do you wish the Dems had nominated a better candidate for winning than Beto? Do you have a candidate in mind? Maybe you're a GOP sick of Cruz and wished for a more conservative Dem to vote for?

Just curious.

I am a-political so I am considered a Nazi on this board.

I don't like Cruz because of all the Tea Party theatrics and would have voted for a democrat if they put someone up that I could stomach. 

There are 3 things I personally don't like about Beto (one being more of a general dislike about current dems)

1.  Oil and gas stance..  Sorry i'm not going to vote for shooting myself in the economic dick.

2.  Gun control..  Voting for every single gun control measure for the sake of voting in favor of it was clearly pandering.  There are laws that could be passed that I could stomach but he's signaling he'll vote for any form of gun control no matter what.

3.  Impeachment/obstruction...  I don't like the shitstain Cruz for the tea party theatrics and I wont support anyone who plans on obstructing for the sake of it.  Act like an adult (and my fucking Senator) and get a deal hashed out with the other side of the aisle. 

I really do think there are a lot of people who would have been willing to vote against Cruz as payback for not getting anything done for 4/6 years of his term.  I am one of them.

[RomaVicta 30604]

Thanks for the response, Jack.

[Huckleberry 34690]

4 minutes ago, Jack said:

I am a-political so I am considered a Nazi on this board.

I don't like Cruz because of all the Tea Party theatrics and would have voted for a democrat if they put someone up that I could stomach. 

There are 3 things I personally don't like about Beto (one being more of a general dislike about current dems)

1.  Oil and gas stance..  Sorry i'm not going to vote for shooting myself in the economic dick.

2.  Gun control..  Voting for every single gun control measure for the sake of voting in favor of it was clearly pandering.  There are laws that could be passed that I could stomach but he's signaling he'll vote for any form of gun control no matter what.

3.  Impeachment/obstruction...  I don't like the shitstain Cruz for the tea party theatrics and I wont support anyone who plans on obstructing for the sake of it.  Act like an adult (and my fucking Senator) and get a deal hashed out with the other side of the aisle. 

I really do think there are a lot of people who would have been willing to vote against Cruz as payback for not getting anything done for 4/6 years of his term.  I am one of them.

Not a single person has accused you of anything close to that you lying pussy.

[Js1 87200]

Then vote for Dikeman and shut the fuck up.

[Anastasis 23723]

Gentlemen, you cannot hyperbole in here! This is the Cloak Room!

 

 

[thepop 4418]

You would think people would have learned their lesson by now the lesser of two evils is always the better choice. And in this case, one of the candidates isn't even evil.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13739]

40 minutes ago, Jack said:

I'm looking at his actual voting record here

http://politicsthatwork.com/voting-record/Beto-ORourke-412575

100% on gun control... 100% on raising taxes.. 79.2% on higher spending.. 99.4% on environmental protection. 100% on "robust safety net". 

Gun control alone will disqualify him with most moderate Texas republicans.

If Dems want a Senate seat in Texas, you can't put someone up there with this kind of voting record.

 

Scored 100% on the following:

• Lowering poverty
• avoiding default of the US govt
• LGBT rights
• Humane Immigration policy
• racial equality
• taxing the wealthy (vs taxing the poor)
• women's rights
• robust safety net
• Countering Russian interference
• Humanitarian Aid
• Public Health
• Funding Education
• Disaster Relief (Cruz lies about this all the time)

The top line on your link says that Beto support the Middle Class 96% of the time and 100% favors broad civil rights over narrow civil rights.

 

As far as gun control, the vast majority of Texans and Americans support stronger background checks.  The right always fears having their guns taken away.  No one has ever said that would occur.  Stop being a snowflake about your unfounded nightmares.

 

 

 

[Anastasis 23723]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Then vote for Dikeman and shut the fuck up.

Here's his pitch:

 

 

 

[Huckleberry 34690]

7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Gentlemen, you cannot hyperbole in here! This is the Cloak Room!

 

 

Yeah, it's just hyperbole. Stop being a dumbass, man.

[Anastasis 23723]

Just now, Huckleberry said:

Yeah, it's just hyperbole. Stop being a dumbass, man.

He was using hyperbolic rhetoric. Calm down Huck. 

[jimmyjazz 47229]

15 minutes ago, Jack said:

1.  Oil and gas stance..  Sorry i'm not going to vote for shooting myself in the economic dick.

2.  Gun control..  Voting for every single gun control measure for the sake of voting in favor of it was clearly pandering.  There are laws that could be passed that I could stomach but he's signaling he'll vote for any form of gun control no matter what.

3.  Impeachment/obstruction...  I don't like the shitstain Cruz for the tea party theatrics and I wont support anyone who plans on obstructing for the sake of it.  Act like an adult (and my fucking Senator) and get a deal hashed out with the other side of the aisle. 

I was getting ready to issue my standard pushback on your takes but this actually shows some thought and even a little pragmatism.  (I don't agree, but I see your points.)

[RayDog 682]

16 minutes ago, Jack said:

I am a-political so I am considered a Nazi on this board.

I don't like Cruz because of all the Tea Party theatrics and would have voted for a democrat if they put someone up that I could stomach. 

There are 3 things I personally don't like about Beto (one being more of a general dislike about current dems)

1.  Oil and gas stance..  Sorry i'm not going to vote for shooting myself in the economic dick.

2.  Gun control..  Voting for every single gun control measure for the sake of voting in favor of it was clearly pandering.  There are laws that could be passed that I could stomach but he's signaling he'll vote for any form of gun control no matter what.

3.  Impeachment/obstruction...  I don't like the shitstain Cruz for the tea party theatrics and I wont support anyone who plans on obstructing for the sake of it.  Act like an adult (and my fucking Senator) and get a deal hashed out with the other side of the aisle. 

I really do think there are a lot of people who would have been willing to vote against Cruz as payback for not getting anything done for 4/6 years of his term.  I am one of them.

I hope you realize that since the Republicans have controlled what pieces of gun legislation, or anything else, that reaches the floor that Beto voted for bills with bipartisan support.

[Jack 51]

 

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

He was using hyperbolic rhetoric. Calm down Huck. 

Obviously...

[thepop 4418]

Act like an adult and don't impeach the president who is incapable of acting like an adult. Okay.

[UTDD 362]

26 minutes ago, Jack said:

I am a-political so I am considered a Nazi on this board.

I don't like Cruz because of all the Tea Party theatrics and would have voted for a democrat if they put someone up that I could stomach. 

There are 3 things I personally don't like about Beto (one being more of a general dislike about current dems)

1.  Oil and gas stance..  Sorry i'm not going to vote for shooting myself in the economic dick.

2.  Gun control..  Voting for every single gun control measure for the sake of voting in favor of it was clearly pandering.  There are laws that could be passed that I could stomach but he's signaling he'll vote for any form of gun control no matter what.

3.  Impeachment/obstruction...  I don't like the shitstain Cruz for the tea party theatrics and I wont support anyone who plans on obstructing for the sake of it.  Act like an adult (and my fucking Senator) and get a deal hashed out with the other side of the aisle. 

I really do think there are a lot of people who would have been willing to vote against Cruz as payback for not getting anything done for 4/6 years of his term.  I am one of them.

I think all three of these are fair although #1 doesn't impact me personally much.  I think Cruz is pretty much a scumbag and not a true Texan so he was vulnerable to me.  I think Beto also should have run a lot more ads about how Cruz visited all Iowa counties to run for President but what has he done for Texas in the same vein while he (Beto) has visited every county?  What is Cruz's real priority, Texas....or Cruz?  What has he done in the last 4 years?  There was a good opening for negative attack ads and I think he didn't utilize it enough.  On the other hand, I think Cruz ran a very good TV ad attacking Beto as more extreme compared to Warren/Sanders etc on TV.  That works in Texas.

[immortal13 4059]

20 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Scored 100% on the following:

• Lowering poverty
• avoiding default of the US govt
• LGBT rights
• Humane Immigration policy
• racial equality
• taxing the wealthy (vs taxing the poor)
• women's rights
• robust safety net
• Countering Russian interference
• Humanitarian Aid
• Public Health
• Funding Education
• Disaster Relief (Cruz lies about this all the time)

The top line on your link says that Beto support the Middle Class 96% of the time and 100% favors broad civil rights over narrow civil rights.

 

As far as gun control, the vast majority of Texans and Americans support stronger background checks.  The right always fears having their guns taken away.  No one has ever said that would occur.  Stop being a snowflake about your unfounded nightmares.

 

 

 

What is a "stonger" background check? 

[Jack 51]

Just now, thepop said:

Act like an adult and don't impeach the president who is incapable of acting like an adult. Okay.

I don't take any of the impeachment talk seriously because it started before he was even sworn into office and all I've seen from the Dems is #resist.  It's the exact same kind of shit I didn't like about the Tea Party. 

We just saw a supreme court justice get voted in along party lines and insanely dirty politics along the way.  You have to be fucking brain dead not to connect that was a political game. 

Come to the table and work with the seated President and compromise where you can.  There has been zero attempt to do that by the dems just like there was severe resistance by the tea party.  If you can't do that (regardless of party) then you are acting like a fucking child that didn't get their way.  Stop trying to make the country fail and offer some constructive ideas.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34106]

Just now, immortal13 said:

What is a "stonger" background check? 

you tell us, because you're the only one that wrote that

[Brian Fantana 6869]

Something something your mom's ass.

[immortal13 4059]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

you tell us, because you're the only one that wrote that

No shit for brains, nice guy eddie say everyone is in favor or "stronger background checks". So what is a "stronger" check?

[thepop 4418]

3 minutes ago, Jack said:

I don't take any of the impeachment talk seriously because it started before he was even sworn into office and all I've seen from the Dems is #resist.  It's the exact same kind of shit I didn't like about the Tea Party. 

We just saw a supreme court justice get voted in along party lines and insanely dirty politics along the way.  You have to be fucking brain dead not to connect that was a political game. 

Come to the table and work with the seated President and compromise where you can.  There has been zero attempt to do that by the dems just like there was severe resistance by the tea party.  If you can't do that (regardless of party) then you are acting like a fucking child that didn't get their way.  Stop trying to make the country fail and offer some constructive ideas.

So do you agree we should replace all the senators who didn't give Garland a hearing?

[fuggled 576]

I don't take any of the impeachment talk seriously because it started before he was even sworn into office and all I've seen from the Dems is #resist.  It's the exact same kind of shit I didn't like about the Tea Party. 
We just saw a supreme court justice get voted in along party lines and insanely dirty politics along the way.  You have to be fucking brain dead not to connect that was a political game. 
Come to the table and work with the seated President and compromise where you can.  There has been zero attempt to do that by the dems just like there was severe resistance by the tea party.  If you can't do that (regardless of party) then you are acting like a fucking child that didn't get their way.  Stop trying to make the country fail and offer some constructive ideas.

Sorry, but this just isn't true. Do you not remember the Dems coming back over and over to try and get a deal on DACA? That was a good faith effort on their part. And it was torpedoed by Trump.

[Jack 51]

Just now, thepop said:

So do you agree we should replace all the senators who didn't give Garland a hearing?

It's my opinion that Garland should have been granted a hearing.  That doesn't mean I think we should replace all Senators who failed to give him one.  That would be a very stupid reason to vote for a Senator.

I vote for what I view as in my own best interest and I think party politics is stupid.  Right now, I view Cruz as less of a threat to my livelihood than Beto is.