Cruz vs Beto

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Running for the WH might kill Beto.  He went from a mane full of light brown hair to all grey in 18 months.  

With the brand that he has already built he can cruise the midwest at a more relaxed pace for the next year raising money and finding a VP in that area as well. He can hit up 4 states in the Midwest easier than traveling Texas. Beto will also cause the GOP to waste a lot more money and energy than they ever have before just in Texas alone.

[bolverk 30,247]

Unfortunately, given all the various choices for the pursuit of higher office, I think his best shot is to be selected as the eventual 2020 Democratic presidential candidate's veep, whoever that may be. He won't have broken his promise to not run for president; there's no clear statewide office for him to run for; it'd give him ample time to be with his kids (veep is selected relatively late in the campaign); and I honestly do believe he could swing some votes in favor of the head of the ticket putting Texas partially in play.

[pyrohornIII 4,845]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

Unfortunately, given all the various choices for the pursuit of higher office, I think his best shot is to be selected as the eventual 2020 Democratic presidential candidate's veep, whoever that may be. He won't have broken his promise to not run for president; there's no clear statewide office for him to run for; it'd give him ample time to be with his kids (veep is selected relatively late in the campaign); and I honestly do believe he could swing some votes in favor of the head of the ticket putting Texas partially in play.

This is my thinking as well.   The fact he has firmly said no is a strong factor, considering how much he wants people to believe he is good for his word. 

[horncyclist 1,391]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

Unfortunately, given all the various choices for the pursuit of higher office, I think his best shot is to be selected as the eventual 2020 Democratic presidential candidate's veep, whoever that may be. He won't have broken his promise to not run for president; there's no clear statewide office for him to run for; it'd give him ample time to be with his kids (veep is selected relatively late in the campaign); and I honestly do believe he could swing some votes in favor of the head of the ticket putting Texas partially in play.

With the right ticket, including Beto, Texas is absolutely in play. And he brings his field organization and donor base.

[Fudge Nuggets 19,408]

It's going to be great when Beto kicks Rafael's ass for the presidency.

[Celery Man 21,077]

rest up buddy

[Celery Man 21,077]

 

[bad_teammate 13,483]

20 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

 

He's running.

[horncyclist 1,391]

13 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

He's running.

I think if he runs he's either the nominee or is able to make sure he's on the ticket. He's set himself up to lead a movement like Sanders in 2016 but without having to overcome the establishment heir apparent.

[bad_teammate 13,483]

Sanders/O'Rourke would be rad. Let the student study at the feet of the master.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Beto needs to be at the top of the ticket and let his VP be the elder statesman. 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3,861]

 

 

 

Travel to every county, give every citizen a chance to talk to him, everyone that has been ignored for time immemorial.  Get's a half percent bump out it above Trump/Hillary.  

Some interesting take-aways there.  Hillary hatred in rural areas?  Sounds like D hatred.  Or maybe Trump was disliked more in the rural area and Cruz was able to get that back, countered by a Beto bump out there?

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2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Beto needs to be at the top of the ticket and let his VP be the elder statesman. 

Elder statesman being someone not named Bernie. Just too much baggage there.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

1 minute ago, relapse98 said:

Elder statesman being someone not named Bernie. Just too much baggage there.

Meh, no one votes for Vice President but I agree that a John Kerry or Angus King would be a better choice.

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7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Meh, no one votes for Vice President but I agree that a John Kerry or Angus King would be a better choice.

They may not vote for the VP,  but they could (and would) vote against that Vice President candidate.

John Kerry? Good lord. Its like now we are just throwing old shit against the wall to see what sticks.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Not saying John Kerry would be a great pick but he is the elder statesman in the Democratic Party, if you exclude Hillary Clinton.

[Bozo_Casanova 26,774]

I like a Klobuchar O’Rourke ticket more than any ticket with Beto at the top.

[Celery Man 21,077]

27 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

 

 

 

Travel to every county, give every citizen a chance to talk to him, everyone that has been ignored for time immemorial.  Get's a half percent bump out it above Trump/Hillary.  

Some interesting take-aways there.  Hillary hatred in rural areas?  Sounds like D hatred.  Or maybe Trump was disliked more in the rural area and Cruz was able to get that back, countered by a Beto bump out there?

too proud of lifting themselves up by the ag subsidies to vote for socialism

[wildcat09 29,564]

31 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I like a Klobuchar O’Rourke ticket more than any ticket with Beto at the top.

This.

[Js1 86,993]

52 minutes ago, relapse98 said:

They may not vote for the VP,  but they could (and would) vote against that Vice President candidate.

John Kerry? Good lord. Its like now we are just throwing old shit against the wall to see what sticks.

AL GORE 2020 SUPER CERAL YOU GUYS /s

[Celery Man 21,077]

 

(re:kolubuchar/beto)

yeah i posted this link (retweeted by evan smith at the tribune, I don't know much about this paper or Will Bunch) in the 2020 candidate thread.  I like the idea of this ticket

http://www2.philly.com/philly/columnists/will_bunch/sen-amy-klobuchar-2020-presidential-candidate-can-defeat-donald-trump-20181111.html

Edited November 12, 2018 by Celery Man

[Lagunamadre 1,975]

1 hour ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

 

 

 

Travel to every county, give every citizen a chance to talk to him, everyone that has been ignored for time immemorial.  Get's a half percent bump out it above Trump/Hillary.  

Some interesting take-aways there.  Hillary hatred in rural areas?  Sounds like D hatred.  Or maybe Trump was disliked more in the rural area and Cruz was able to get that back, countered by a Beto bump out there?

This is really disheartening. Disincentives future candidates from visiting small towns. 

[babysdaddy 2,731]

1 hour ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

 

 

 

Travel to every county, give every citizen a chance to talk to him, everyone that has been ignored for time immemorial.  Get's a half percent bump out it above Trump/Hillary.  

Some interesting take-aways there.  Hillary hatred in rural areas?  Sounds like D hatred.  Or maybe Trump was disliked more in the rural area and Cruz was able to get that back, countered by a Beto bump out there?

Rural=Religious=Single Issue voters/pro-life only= anyone with R next to their name.

[Chad Fuck 18,096]

Rural=Religious=Single Issue voters/pro-life only= anyone with R next to their name.

Guns as well. Maybe more so than abortion.

[Longhornfan1024 1,707]

5 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Guns as well. Maybe more so than abortion.

Add racism and xenophobia.  Gotta keep those dangerous browns out.

[Bozo_Casanova 26,774]

This is really disheartening. Disincentives future candidates from visiting small towns. 

Nah- you gotta keep after it and rebuild county infrastructure

[Incredulity 11,861]

2 minutes ago, Longhornfan1024 said:

Add racism and xenophobia.  Gotta keep those dangerous browns out.

This should be known as David Dennison Law of Surl.

Any question asking for a root cause on the Politics Board will within three replies be responded to with "racism".

[Lagunamadre 1,975]

4 minutes ago, Longhornfan1024 said:

Add racism and xenophobia.  Gotta keep those dangerous browns out.

Probably impossible to quantify, but I'd be curious to see what the rural split would have been had the caravan not been on 24 hour loop on Fox News. I wonder if that had a material effect on the outcome. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

16 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Nah- you gotta keep after it and rebuild county infrastructure

The problem with the small towns is they’re just as out of touch as D.C.  They’re like their own little communes/cults that don’t want anything to happen to their little insulated utopias.  That’s why the fear mongering works so well on them.  They have no alternative perspective than what they see on the Fox News.

There’s no room for inside progressive voices to speak up and have a meaningful influence without getting ostracized like someone might from a church for going against the doctrine.

Those folks GTFO of town if they really care about making positive change.

[RayDog 682]

The Democrats need to get 200,000 more votes in the suburbs in order to overcome the rural vote. That will be easier than changing the way rural folks vote.

[Incredulity 11,861]

Just now, RayDog said:

The Democrats need to get 200,000 more votes in the suburbs in order to overcome the rural vote. That will be easier than changing the way rural folks vote.

Really easy to double up some suburban votes,  really easy.

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21 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

Really easy to double up some suburban votes,  really easy.

No one is claiming that it is really easy, or even easy at all.  I'm not sure why you chose to quote a post, only to then not actually address said post. 

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59 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

This should be known as David Dennison Law of Surl.

Any question asking for a root cause on the Politics Board will within three replies be responded to with "racism".

Maybe if the Republican leadership wasn't so consistently and obviously racist this wouldn't happen.  Hmmm.  Which wagon are you hitched to, anyway, Massa Incredulity?

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No one is claiming that it is really easy, or even easy at all.  I'm not sure why you chose to quote a post, only to then not actually address said post. 

Because troll.

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2 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Really easy to double up some suburban votes,  really easy.

The rural vote was about 2 million out of 8.2 million in 2018. In 2020 it will be 2 million out of 10 million.

[MidTexHorn 822]

As someone who voted Dem in reliably Republican Midland County, I think I can pretty safely say that more than anything folks out here are simply straight ticket Republican voters. They look at you like you're an absolute loon if you even suggest the idea of voting for anyone who's not a republican. I don't care how good the Democratic candidate was, or even how conservative he was, I think it would be nearly impossible to cut into that straight ticket margin.

I would list the issues that I heard discussed by all of my Republican friends and co-workers, in order, as follows:

1) Guns

2) Immigration/caravan (lots of subtle and not so subtle racism in these comments)

3) General jabs at liberals/SJWs/MeToo/liberal women/Kavanagh, etc.

I'm sure religious conservatism and abortion underlie a lot of the undying devotion to the Republican brand, but those weren't hot topics of discussion this go round.

[Incredulity 11,861]

#1 issue

Government confiscation and squandering of my wages.  Looking at my gross pay and net pay is physically sickening.

The laughable 250k threshold for tax the shit out of them is a fucking joke.  Raising a family on that kind of income(which I don’t, but I do fine) is not wiping your ass with hundreds opulence.

 

[Jack Burton 35]

^^^^^99% of people checked out after that first sentence. Good christ

[bolverk 30,247]

3 hours ago, MidTexHorn said:

As someone who voted Dem in reliably Republican Midland County, I think I can pretty safely say that more than anything folks out here are simply straight ticket Republican voters. They look at you like you're an absolute loon if you even suggest the idea of voting for anyone who's not a republican. I don't care how good the Democratic candidate was, or even how conservative he was, I think it would be nearly impossible to cut into that straight ticket margin.

I would list the issues that I heard discussed by all of my Republican friends and co-workers, in order, as follows:

1) Guns

2) Immigration/caravan (lots of subtle and not so subtle racism in these comments)

3) General jabs at liberals/SJWs/MeToo/liberal women/Kavanagh, etc.

I'm sure religious conservatism and abortion underlie a lot of the undying devotion to the Republican brand, but those weren't hot topics of discussion this go round.

As someone who has many Facebook friends in the PB, I can affirm these were the three that seemed consistent. Well, that and "KEEP TEXAS RED!!!"

[Celery Man 21,077]

2 hours ago, Incredulity said:

#1 issue

Government confiscation and squandering of my wages.  Looking at my gross pay and net pay is physically sickening.

The laughable 250k threshold for tax the shit out of them is a fucking joke.  Raising a family on that kind of income(which I don’t, but I do fine) is not wiping your ass with hundreds opulence.

 

 

[jimmyjazz 46,990]

Our upper marginal tax bracket is so fucking low it's hysterical how dipshits get all worked up about it.

[Incredulity 11,861]

1 hour ago, Jack Burton said:

^^^^^99% of people checked out after that first sentence. Good christ

I bet you have direct deposit.

Do you honestly ever look at your gross pay?  You think that income taxes are too low?

 

[Incredulity 11,861]

45 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Our upper marginal tax bracket is so fucking low it's hysterical how dipshits get all worked up about it.

Is this the part where we get a lecture on the historical 90% rate?

[NBMisha 224]

Is this the part where you confess you don't believe in paying for any of the shit you get, and that society agrees to do collectively?  

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,712]

On the statement from Beto where he said he wasn’t running for potus in 2020, I think that was a comment coming from a standpoint where he would be in the senate in 2020.   He was promising that he would complete his term as senator.   Now that he lost, his campaign promises don’t have the be kept from an ethnical standpoint.  Texas voters broke his campaign promises by voting in Cruz.

 

[Celery Man 21,077]

5 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

On the statement from Beto where he said he wasn’t running for potus in 2020, I think that was a comment coming from a standpoint where he would be in the senate in 2020.   He was promising that he would complete his term as senator.   Now that he lost, his campaign promises don’t have the be kept from an ethnical standpoint.  Texas voters broke his campaign promises by voting in Cruz.

 

He said a couple of different versions of it (and I think probably most directly during the CNN town hall), but it was always couched in serving a full senate term.  I think in the CNN town hall he said something like "I won't be running for president in 2020" (because I remember perking up at that) and then followed up with "I will serve my entire senate term", which can make it reasonable to construe that he was talking about a post election world in which he was elected to the Senate.

He's definitely going to be in the primary in some fashion.  In the letter he wrote recently, I think he said something along the lines of not being sure how he will best serve or best be involved in what's next for the country.

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Seppuku?

[Celery Man 21,077]

you're as clever as you are wise

[NBMisha 224]

I know that's a joke.  But, really?  Not the "do the right thing" Slorch I know.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3,861]

11 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Is this the part where we get a lecture on the historical 90% rate?

You personally paid $300 for the USS Gerald Ford alone.  Shit's expensive, yo.