Cruz vs Beto

[troph 25227]

The fiscal part of the GOP is what turns me off today, much because of what you describe.  I know people get pissy about the ‘both sides’ thingy, but that seems to be where Congress is more unified than anywhere else.
As far as social policy, neither side really gets it right. They just see the issues as leverage towards their fiscal goals.  It’s off-putting as hell.
 
 

You must be a white straight guy. Because most of the rest of us don’t see social issues that impact us as a fiscal issue.

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, troph said:

You must be a white straight guy. Because most of the rest of us don’t see social issues that impact us as a fiscal issue.

You’re right.  Nobody leverages a crisis for more funding...

 

Social policy is bigger than sexuality, if you don’t mind looking past the end of your...um... nose.

Edited August 13, 2018 by slorch

[Ghost of LL 15698]

30 minutes ago, troph said:

At least I don’t melt. And I can spear you with my horn so I win. Plus I pee rainbows and all that’s stuff too.

Unicorns don't piss rainbows.  That's a myth.

[Brisketexan 106899]

18 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Unicorns don't piss rainbows.  That's a myth.

I was told it's piss.  It's always piss.

Was I misinformed?

[NameAlreadyInUse 5169]

23 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Unicorns don't piss rainbows.  That's a myth.

You are correct, but it is a fact they poop rainbows..........and glitter.

[thepop 4418]

Not sure what to do with them, but bought a couple Beto stickers for no reason

[RPM 26628]

For the record, I've got nothing against Troph. I enjoy reading his POV on issues. But if you're pissing rainbows, you need to see a medical professional in a timely manner.

[Gil Bang 26240]

44 minutes ago, thepop said:

Not sure what to do with them, but bought a couple Beto stickers for no reason

send one to me and I'll rep him out here

[Chooky 13340]

52 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Unicorns don't piss rainbows.  That's a myth.

Link? Evidence?  Proof?  Yeah, didn't think so.

[Bozo_Casanova 26851]

50 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

You are correct, but it is a fact they poop rainbows..........and glitter.

They drink boba

[Bozo_Casanova 26851]

1 hour ago, slorch said:

The fiscal part of the GOP is what turns me off today, much because of what you describe.  I know people get pissy about the ‘both sides’ thingy, but that seems to be where Congress is more unified than anywhere else

Except it doesn't, because you mostly vote Republican, and it isn't both sides either because Democrats have been better on fiscal policy at the national level for your and my entire life. The only notable exception to that was the best president of my life, George HW Bush, who many Republicans basically abandoned because he led a policy of cutting spending and raising taxes when fiscal reality required it.

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Except it doesn't, because you mostly vote Republican, and it isn't both sides either because Democrats have been better on fiscal policy at the national level for your and my entire life. The only notable exception to that was the best president of my life, George HW Bush, who many Republicans basically abandoned because he led a policy of cutting spending and raising taxes when fiscal reality required it.

Better?

 

care to define 'better?'

[RDCanecutter 26893]

55 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

send one to me and I'll rep him out here

Phun Phact: El Paso is closer to San Diego than it is to Houston.

[relapse98 634]

1 hour ago, RPM said:

For the record, I've got nothing against Troph. I enjoy reading his POV on issues. But if you're pissing rainbows, you need to see a medical professional in a timely manner.

FWIW, her.

[Gil Bang 26240]

55 minutes ago, slorch said:

Better?

 

care to define 'better?'

lower deficits?  Better GDP?  The Stock Market does better under Dems historically. 

[Gil Bang 26240]

54 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Phun Phact: El Paso is closer to San Diego than it is to Houston.

I made that drive to EP half a dozen times when the boy was at Ft. Bliss.   Not bad at all. 

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

lower deficits?  Better GDP?  The Stock Market does better under Dems historically. 

maybe it's just perception, but I used to feel safer with regard to taxes when GOP was in majority.

Now, they all just think the citizen is an endless fountain of cash.

The federal government has more than enough revenue.  Spend it better.

 

The sudden love affair with socialism gives me pause.  The left might still yet attempt to differentiate themselves, fiscally from the GOP.

[David Dennison 19542]

23 minutes ago, slorch said:

maybe it's just perception, but I used to feel safer with regard to taxes when GOP was in majority.

Now, they all just think the citizen is an endless fountain of cash.

The federal government has more than enough revenue.  Spend it better.

 

The sudden love affair with socialism gives me pause.  The left might still yet attempt to differentiate themselves, fiscally from the GOP.

Just out of curiosity, what is the highest effective tax rate you've ever paid to the federal government? Has it ever broken 20%?

[Viper 12220]

Did anyone catch Cruz over at Pappa Charlies sat? I obviously don't keep up with this stuff, but it was pretty packed (not that's it's really a huge place to begin with though). There was also 4-6 counter protesters across the street holding signs.

Also, while all this team republican vs team democrats arguing is super super interesting, can anyone point me to a comparison of Ted and Beto's differences on the issues? I get that Ted is not very likable, while Beto is very likable, but I don't really vote based on that (much) and was just wondering about key issues and such.

[Gil Bang 26240]

29 minutes ago, Viper said:

Did anyone catch Cruz over at Pappa Charlies sat? I obviously don't keep up with this stuff, but it was pretty packed (not that's it's really a huge place to begin with though). There was also 4-6 counter protesters across the street holding signs.

Also, while all this team republican vs team democrats arguing is super super interesting, can anyone point me to a comparison of Ted and Beto's differences on the issues? I get that Ted is not very likable, while Beto is very likable, but I don't really vote based on that (much) and was just wondering about key issues and such.

Cruz is in favor of sucking Trump's stubby little cock, Beto is opposed to it. 

[wildcat09 29579]

Ted Cruz believes very strongly that he should be President. That is the entirety of the list of things that Ted Cruz believes.

[Js1 87183]

And also whatever the telcomms tell him to believe.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13731]

2 hours ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

You are correct, but it is a fact they poop rainbows..........and glitter.

 

[Celery Man 21098]

1 hour ago, slorch said:

Better?

 

care to define 'better?'

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

That seems like how Congress does all their shit.  Charge us taxpayers $10 and it should only cost $2.75  

Edited August 13, 2018 by slorch

[RPM 26628]

2 hours ago, relapse98 said:

FWIW, her.

I was unsure of the preferred nomenclature.

[kevwun 16438]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

And also whatever the telcomms tell pay him to believe.

fify

[Celery Man 21098]

On the topic of fiscal responsibility, how about criminalizing a plant that nobody fucking cares about anymore and locking up people caught holding it longer than anyone involved in 2009 financial meltdown, basically eliminating the chance that they ever become a taxpayer when they get older and wiser.  Where does Felito land on that one.

[tantric superman 4668]

Not very scientific -- apples and oranges, but

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

Cruz votes Trumpish 90.8% of the time.

Beto votes Trumpish 28.7% of the time.

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

Ted Cruz believes very strongly that he should be President. That is the entirety of the list of things that Ted Cruz believes.

That shit will never happen.  he's walking the tightrope in Texas and it SHOULD be a layup...

 

But he managed to fuck that up.  He gambled on hammering Trump publicly.  Now he needs Cheeto's endorsement.

 

Reckon humble pie will change the man?   I don't.   On one hand I applaud his boldness in saying what he said.  On the other, he spent a shit-ton of his political capital.

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

On the topic of fiscal responsibility, how about criminalizing a plant that nobody fucking cares about anymore and locking up people caught holding it longer than anyone involved in 2009 financial meltdown, basically eliminating the chance that they ever become a taxpayer when they get older and wiser.  Where does Felito land on that one.

I wish it would just come to a public vote.

get it overwith for crisakes.

[EMAWesome 101]

[Js1 87183]

I bet he thought that was hilarious.

[tantric superman 4668]

2 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

Phun Phact: El Paso is closer to San Diego than it is to Houston.

Texas in Mountain West Conference talk not going away.

[troph 25227]

maybe it's just perception, but I used to feel safer with regard to taxes when GOP was in majority.
Now, they all just think the citizen is an endless fountain of cash.
The federal government has more than enough revenue.  Spend it better.
 
The sudden love affair with socialism gives me pause.  The left might still yet attempt to differentiate themselves, fiscally from the GOP.

My dad has a pension, social security and lifetime health care from the government. He’s deathly afraid of socialism too.

The fact is we have socialism already by his standards - it’s just for him though - no one else. Because by god he’s earned it. Yep.

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, troph said:

 

My dad has a pension, social security and lifetime health care from the government. He’s deathly afraid of socialism too.

The fact is we have socialism already by his standards - it’s just for him though - no one else. Because by god he’s earned it. Yep.

 

Did he work for that pension, healthcare, and social security?

 

I love it when people conflate earned benefits versus entitlements.  and yeah, if Soc Security wasn't compulsory, i would have opted out immediately.

Edited August 13, 2018 by slorch

[M12BH 545]

We have 11 people signed up for our Beto phonebank tomorrow night.  I say gottdam.  Don't know where we're going to put them all.

 

You know, as far as conservative vs. liberal is concerned - I have a slightly different take on it than most of y'all because I have a vagina.  And the way I see it, one of the parties wants to get all up in my wallet and the other one wants to get all up in my vagina.  So it comes down to, which do I value most?  Wait for it....wait for it.....VAGINA.   So as much as wasteful spending irritates the fuck out of me, I'd rather throw a bit more coin at the feds and be able to do what I want with my vagina.  

[Gil Bang 26240]

18 minutes ago, M12BH said:

We have 11 people signed up for our Beto phonebank tomorrow night.  I say gottdam.  Don't know where we're going to put them all.

 

You know, as far as conservative vs. liberal is concerned - I have a slightly different take on it than most of y'all because I have a vagina.  And the way I see it, one of the parties wants to get all up in my wallet and the other one wants to get all up in my vagina.  So it comes down to, which do I value most?  Wait for it....wait for it.....VAGINA.   So as much as wasteful spending irritates the fuck out of me, I'd rather throw a bit more coin at the feds and be able to do what I want with my vagina.  

pics of vagina?

[troph 25227]

Military and I have zero issue with his benefits but he and everyone else warning me of socialism needs to look in the mirror. The rest of us are paying for his annuities and healthcare. The fact that he signed a contract offering socialized retirement doesn’t make it something different. If the larger collective is asked to pay for an individual that is a brand of socialism according to his interpretation, except as it applies to him, because he worked for it.

[Biff Tannen 46168]

24 minutes ago, M12BH said:

We have 11 people signed up for our Beto phonebank tomorrow night.  I say gottdam.  Don't know where we're going to put them all.

 

You know, as far as conservative vs. liberal is concerned - I have a slightly different take on it than most of y'all because I have a vagina.  And the way I see it, one of the parties wants to get all up in my wallet and the other one wants to get all up in my vagina.  So it comes down to, which do I value most?  Wait for it....wait for it.....VAGINA.   So as much as wasteful spending irritates the fuck out of me, I'd rather throw a bit more coin at the feds and be able to do what I want with my vagina.  

[M12BH 545]

20 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

It took 27 minutes.  Y'all are slacking. 

[Ghost of LL 15698]

1 hour ago, slorch said:

Did he work for that pension, healthcare, and social security?

 

I love it when people conflate earned benefits versus entitlements.  and yeah, if Soc Security wasn't compulsory, i would have opted out immediately.

Leaving the pension aside, because that is a private agreement with his former employer, no--he did not work for his Medicare and Social Security.  He worked for a paycheck and whatever other benefits his employer offered.  But he didn't work for Medicare or Social Security; those are granted irrespective of whether he worked or not.

The money you pay into Social Security doesn't go into a lockbox that is just for you.  I would think that Al Gore would've taught you that.  It's deposited into the Treasury, which then pays it out to current Social Security recipients.  It's not "socialism" per se, but it is definitely the reallocation of wealth.

[BrickHorn 18447]

31 minutes ago, M12BH said:

And the way I see it, one of the parties wants to get all up in my wallet and the other one wants to get all up in my vagina.  

Your mom had a party up in her vagina.

Edited August 13, 2018 by BrickHorn

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20922]

3 hours ago, Viper said:

Did anyone catch Cruz over at Pappa Charlies sat? I obviously don't keep up with this stuff, but it was pretty packed (not that's it's really a huge place to begin with though). There was also 4-6 counter protesters across the street holding signs.

Also, while all this team republican vs team democrats arguing is super super interesting, can anyone point me to a comparison of Ted and Beto's differences on the issues? I get that Ted is not very likable, while Beto is very likable, but I don't really vote based on that (much) and was just wondering about key issues and such.

Ted Cruz favored corporations being able to sell your browsing history to the highest bidder. Beto opposed it.

Tec Cruz was against Net Neutrality. Beto favored it. 

[Gil Bang 26240]

39 minutes ago, M12BH said:

We have 11 people signed up for our Beto phonebank tomorrow night.  I say gottdam.  Don't know where we're going to put them all.

 

You know, as far as conservative vs. liberal is concerned - I have a slightly different take on it than most of y'all because I have a vagina.  And the way I see it, one of the parties wants to get all up in my wallet and the other one wants to get all up in my vagina.  So it comes down to, which do I value most?  Wait for it....wait for it.....VAGINA.   So as much as wasteful spending irritates the fuck out of me, I'd rather throw a bit more coin at the feds and be able to do what I want with my vagina.  

And by the way...I value vagina more than I value my wallet too, which explains the tens of thousands of dollars I've spent in pursuit of vagina.

[Huckleberry 34655]

43 minutes ago, M12BH said:

We have 11 people signed up for our Beto phonebank tomorrow night.  I say gottdam.  Don't know where we're going to put them all.

 

You know, as far as conservative vs. liberal is concerned - I have a slightly different take on it than most of y'all because I have a vagina.  And the way I see it, one of the parties wants to get all up in my wallet and the other one wants to get all up in my vagina.  So it comes down to, which do I value most?  Wait for it....wait for it.....VAGINA.   So as much as wasteful spending irritates the fuck out of me, I'd rather throw a bit more coin at the feds and be able to do what I want with my vagina.  

This really does sum it up and is the main reason I rip on Republicans more than Democrats despite supporting neither party's platform overall. If the GOP actually practiced the fiscal responsibility they preach then it would be different, but as it is right now the two parties can basically be summed up as:

Republicans - Fiscal irresponsibility combined with fewer social liberties
Democrats - Fiscal irresponsibility combined with greater social liberties

It's a pretty simple choice even if the options are both poor.

[Js1 87183]

26 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

This really does sum it up and is the main reason I rip on Republicans more than Democrats despite supporting neither party's platform overall. If the GOP actually practiced the fiscal responsibility they preach then it would be different, but as it is right now the two parties can basically be summed up as:

Republicans - Fiscal irresponsibility combined with fewer social liberties
Democrats - Fiscal irresponsibility combined with greater social liberties

It's a pretty simple choice even if the options are both poor.

You have to expand on that a bit -

Republicans - Pay for current things with less money by cutting taxes; increasing and/or not cutting current services with less revenue

Democrats - Pay for current things with more money buy raising taxes; increasing services with more revenue

[BrickHorn 18447]

The difference is Democrats are realistic that they need actual money to pay for the shit they want.  

Republicans want to spend, too.  They’ve just deluded themselves with fairy tales of trickle down economics and Laffer curves.  Or maybe they know that’s all bullshit but just don’t care if some poor fuckers in the future have to pay for their good time.  So, Republicans are either deluded supply side cultists or selfish, money-grabbing pieces of shit.  Either way, they suck.

[Bruh Man 3160]

https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1029065276564951041

[Gil Bang 26240]