The Drums Pron Thread

[Handcruser 2805]

Any drummer gift suggestions? Smallish things, maybe $20-$50? SIL's family sent me a gift so we need to figure out something quick for her husband. I don't know what he plays, but..... metal.

https://www.guitarcenter.com/DW/Drop-Lock-Hi-hat-Clutch-1274115037837.gc

[Handcruser 2805]

Any drummer gift suggestions? Smallish things, maybe $20-$50? SIL's family sent me a gift so we need to figure out something quick for her husband. I don't know what he plays, but..... metal.

https://www.guitarcenter.com/TAMA/Drum-Multi-Tool.gc

[ohchaucer 1443]

Any drummer gift suggestions? Smallish things, maybe $20-$50? SIL's family sent me a gift so we need to figure out something quick for her husband. I don't know what he plays, but..... metal.

That hi hat clutch cruser linked is a great accessory. One other thought would be ear plugs or sound dampening headphones. Vic Firth makes a great pair of headphones specifically for drummers that I don’t think are super expensive.


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[jimmyjazz 45880]

Gift certificate to Lone Star Percussion.

[AnotherUTFan 9728]

Any drummer gift suggestions? Smallish things, maybe $20-$50? SIL's family sent me a gift so we need to figure out something quick for her husband. I don't know what he plays, but..... metal.

Obligatory

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/HCO2BK--meinl-percussion-headliner-series-steel-mountable-cowbell-8-inch

[Deej 76751]

[SHOOTER12 8800]

Anybody looking for Paiste cymbals with HD hardware?

[Handcruser 2805]

What do you have?

[SHOOTER12 8800]

11 hours ago, Handcruser said:

What do you have?

Give me a little bit and I'll get a list together.   They are in like new condition as I used them very little. 

[SHOOTER12 8800]

On 4/10/2022 at 10:50 PM, Handcruser said:

What do you have?

I've been having hell with email etc., tried to send you photos via Tapatalk. 

[jimmyjazz 45880]

Interesting interview with Bill Bruford (drummer, Yes & King Crimson, among others):

https://www.ft.com/content/66256c6f-62a5-45bc-a7b1-53aadd60130e?fbclid=IwAR1vCTfIIuRjvdoTLcNWFkl1SbovGrNvGbPxTdTPMqZP9qfo0BqesE1UaSA

[Buzzrock 14902]

I looked him up -- that's the drummer for Umphrey's McGee.  I generally can't stand jam bands, but that dude can play.

UG is really fun live. I don’t love a lot of jam bands either.

[Bogeywon 2519]

Finished practice early and jumped behind the kit, not the drummer but love to play drums

 

 

[jimmyjazz 45880]

I've never really followed Gregg Bissonette, mostly because I just don't pay attention to the scene he runs in, but this little master class is terrific.  His touch is spectacular -- look how effortlessly he holds his sticks.  I'm sending this to my daughter so she can maybe pick up some pointers.  She can read it, count it, play it, but she fights the kit more than he does.  (Most drummers probably do.)

 

[ohchaucer 1443]

That’s a great video. At 8 minutes or so, when he imitates Gadd coming out of his seat, it’s fucking spot on. He’s a great talent. Anyone who subs in for Simon Phillips who himself is replacing the irreplaceable Jeff Porcaro - you know they have ludicrous chops.

[jimmyjazz 45880]

I didn't realize he was a One O'Clock Band guy from UNT.  Man, he is an extreme talent.

[rungeflash 322]

I’ve had a set of poplar ludwigs for the past year…but I ordered a set of these gretsch renown’s north american maple in high gloss cherry burst. They’re back ordered but should ship in a few weeks. Agonizing wait…

I ordered a 22/10/12/16 4 pc…I already have a Yamaha tour custom maple snare to go with it

 

[ohchaucer 1443]

That’s a nice looking kit! I played a Gretsch USA custom a few months back and it sounded amazing. I don’t know if I’ve seen a Renown maple in the wild but people seem to love them and the finish and hardware looks nice. And thank god you didn’t get the two tone retro ones!

[rungeflash 322]

3 hours ago, ohchaucer said:

That’s a nice looking kit! I played a Gretsch USA custom a few months back and it sounded amazing. I don’t know if I’ve seen a Renown maple in the wild but people seem to love them and the finish and hardware looks nice. And thank god you didn’t get the two tone retro ones!

Thanks!

They do have a lot of finishes (including burnt orange sparkle exclusive at Sweetwater….but that’s only available 1 up 2 down virgin kick). I really wanted the kick drilled with tom rack….and that glossy cherry burst is absolutely stunning in person IMO

burnt orange sparkle

 

here’s the 2 tone retro (renown ‘57) you’re  probably referring to

 

[Handcruser 2805]

I’ve had a set of poplar ludwigs for the past year…but I ordered a set of these gretsch renown’s north american maple in high gloss cherry burst. They’re back ordered but should ship in a few weeks. Agonizing wait…
I ordered a 22/10/12/16 4 pc…I already have a Yamaha tour custom maple snare to go with it
 

Nice!

[jimmyjazz 45880]

Years ago, I bought my daughter a set of Gretsch Renowns that were a 6-pc -- can't remember, maybe I got them from you @Handcruser -- they were spectacular drums.  Ultimately, they were just too physically large for her, as she was probably 13 at the time.  So, I built her a set from Keller raw maple shells.  Pretty much a jazz kit, 20" kick, 8" rack tom, 14" floor tom.  She plays grungy hard rock on them LOL.  She kicks ass, though. 

[Bogeywon 2519]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Years ago, I bought my daughter a set of Gretsch Renowns that were a 6-pc -- can't remember, maybe I got them from you @Handcruser -- they were spectacular drums.  Ultimately, they were just too physically large for her, as she was probably 13 at the time.  So, I built her a set from Keller raw maple shells.  Pretty much a jazz kit, 20" kick, 8" rack tom, 14" floor tom.  She plays grungy hard rock on them LOL.  She kicks ass, though. 

I’m a #GirlDad myself. This story gives me hope

[Handcruser 2805]

Years ago, I bought my daughter a set of Gretsch Renowns that were a 6-pc -- can't remember, maybe I got them from you [mention=214]Handcruser[/mention] -- they were spectacular drums.  Ultimately, they were just too physically large for her, as she was probably 13 at the time.  So, I built her a set from Keller raw maple shells.  Pretty much a jazz kit, 20" kick, 8" rack tom, 14" floor tom.  She plays grungy hard rock on them LOL.  She kicks ass, though. 

I sold you that dope ass gives kit.

Sold some Gretsch USA customs to Dan Neil. Those were the only Gretsch I had.

[BoomMF 1398]

This series from Drumeo is everything:

 

If you haven't checked out the drummer from Snarky Puppy doing Enter Sandman you're wasting the internet.

In other news, The Roland TD-50X brain that's been backordered since the dawn of creation finally arrived and Sweetwater honored the initial sale price, which has since been bumped up about $500 or some such nonsense. The people on Rock Band Rivals aren't gonna know what hit them.

 

Edited July 14, 2022 by BoomMF

[rungeflash 322]

Man, I got sick of waiting on the cherry burst renowns….so I did what I thought I wouldnt do….I called up Sweetwater and ordered the Burnt Orange Sparkle lacquer Renown’s with the virgin kick. And then some. I also added the matching 10” rack and 14” snare.
 

So, 22x14 kick (love that 4” narrower kick versus the 22x18 typical size), 7x10 and 8x12 racks, 14x14 and 16x16 floors (love those squared off floor sizes), and 14x6.5 snare

Arrives Monday…..burnt orange sparkle right in time for football season

[jimmyjazz 45880]

Yeah . . . we're definitely gonna need pics.  Congrats, and good job!

[G650 14229]

1 hour ago, rungeflash said:

Man, I got sick of waiting on the cherry burst renowns….so I did what I thought I wouldnt do….I called up Sweetwater and ordered the Burnt Orange Sparkle lacquer Renown’s with the virgin kick. And then some. I also added the matching 10” rack and 14” snare.
 

So, 22x14 kick (love that 4” narrower kick versus the 22x18 typical size), 7x10 and 8x12 racks, 14x14 and 16x16 floors (love those squared off floor sizes), and 14x6.5 snare

Arrives Monday…..burnt orange sparkle right in time for football season

Hell yeah. My drummer actually went from full Neil Peart down to this setup recently. Seems like two racks and two floors is kind rare or am I off?

[Bogeywon 2519]

2 hours ago, rungeflash said:

Man, I got sick of waiting on the cherry burst renowns….so I did what I thought I wouldnt do….I called up Sweetwater and ordered the Burnt Orange Sparkle lacquer Renown’s with the virgin kick. And then some. I also added the matching 10” rack and 14” snare.
 

So, 22x14 kick (love that 4” narrower kick versus the 22x18 typical size), 7x10 and 8x12 racks, 14x14 and 16x16 floors (love those squared off floor sizes), and 14x6.5 snare

Arrives Monday…..burnt orange sparkle right in time for football season

I came 

[jimmyjazz 45880]

I'd love to get feedback on the shallow kick and how it sounds.  Seems like almost everyone in Austin plays 22x18, except the Bonham freaks, and to my ear those 26 kicks are not all that easy to capture.

[rungeflash 322]

3 hours ago, G650 said:

Hell yeah. My drummer actually went from full Neil Peart down to this setup recently. Seems like two racks and two floors is kind rare or am I off?

I’m not sure how rare that is these days, I think some people might want tighter frequency intervals and more options as they move across rack to floor. But you are correct, the classic setup is 1 up 2 down. 
 

However, my main reason to go ahead and get all the pieces available is these special color offerings from Gretsch are usually gone forever after a 2-3 year run.  I believe burnt orange is heading toward year 3 now, so I’m biting the bullet. Also, Sweetwater made me an incredible package deal…..do not buy online, always call. I saved $400 making a call as opposed to “add to cart!” 

[rungeflash 322]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'd love to get feedback on the shallow kick and how it sounds.  Seems like almost everyone in Austin plays 22x18, except the Bonham freaks, and to my ear those 26 kicks are not all that easy to capture.

Oh absolutely, I’m very interested as well. I have my current ludwig 22x18 at 46hz on the tunebot and it’s a nice punch. We’ll see what this 22x14 likes. I use the tunebot mainly as a starting point, and it’s nice checking individual lugs….but the ear has to make the final call 

[jimmyjazz 45880]

36 minutes ago, rungeflash said:

I’m not sure how rare that is these days, I think some people might want tighter frequency intervals and more options as they move across rack to floor. But you are correct, the classic setup is 1 up 2 down. 

Those of us from the classic rock era would say "classic" is 2 up, 1 down.  

To me, 1 up 1 down looks the best, and doesn't insist upon itself.  1 up 2 down is next.  I'm not a big fan of 2 up in any context, but I don't play, I just look and dream, so discount what I think.

It's hard to argue with that extra rack tom, though, even if you only use one at a time.  More is better.

[rungeflash 322]

Ya I meant “classic bonham” 1 up 2 down config. And “thinner” kick. I think that’s the marketing angle gretsch and sweetwater are banking on with this 4 piece shell pack burnt orange….the optional pieces are for suckers like me lol. I’m not a gigging drummer and never will be, strictly a hobby. I love it, great exercise for an older fart 
 

 

[Handcruser 2805]

I'd love to get feedback on the shallow kick and how it sounds.  Seems like almost everyone in Austin plays 22x18, except the Bonham freaks, and to my ear those 26 kicks are not all that easy to capture.

They’re so great. I’d never buy an 18”.

Much more responsive. Sound wise, you can tune them however you want.

Jealous of those burnt orange Gretsch!

[G650 14229]

12 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'd love to get feedback on the shallow kick and how it sounds.  Seems like almost everyone in Austin plays 22x18, except the Bonham freaks, and to my ear those 26 kicks are not all that easy to capture.

You just have to set up in an 18th century workhouse entryway, easy peasy.

 

I have to admit that I have become enamored with the simplicity of a single rack and single floor kit. Which is kind of wild to think about since I came up listening and playing stuff that was like 6 toms  and whatnot.

[ohchaucer 1443]

Damn, can't wait to see pics of this new kit!  And I love 2 up and 2 down because you can shuffle it up for whatever your situation.  I ultimately started playing 1 up and 1 down almost exclusively because that's the easiest to set up on a stage in a hurry.  But I do sometimes still play all my toms at home (3 up and 2 down) just for fun.  My standard in a recoding context is 1 up and 2 down.

Damn it... now I'm about to click on Sweetwater.

[ohchaucer 1443]

Oh, and agree completely on the 14" depth on a 22" kick.  It's incredibly versatile for a diameter that large.  I had a 24" x 22" at one time and it sounded amazing..... for the exactly ONE tuning it was capable of (and even that was with a shitload of dampening).  

[rungeflash 322]

Oooof….5 separate tracking numbers. Lol. 
The 4 smaller weight boxes estimated Saturday! Yeah! The big dog 84lb box estimated Monday…Boo

Oh well, I’m almost positive the snare and 10” tom have to be part of the Saturday deliveries, so hopefully I can post up some high res pics of the finish that evening.

[Ollie Slatt 289]

Questions for the hive mind: 

My 9 year old son wants to learn drums.  I think it will be a much easier sell to the wife if I get him an electric kit.  But will an electric kit hinder learning or create bad habits?

Also, at age 9 does it make more sense to get a full sized kit or kid sized?  I want to play around on it too . . . so leaning towards an adult kit.  

[G650 14229]

Get an electric kit. You're welcome.

 

Edit: And tell your neighbors they owe me 200 bucks

Edited August 24, 2022 by G650

[jimmyjazz 45880]

I would respectfully disagree.  Get him a small Gretsch Catalina Jazz kit, some lessons, and get yourself some earplugs.

This worked out perfectly for us.  Our daughter learned to play the right way, with a focus on snare rudiments and basic technique, on an appropriately sized kit, and she's off and running now.  She couldn't unlearn that technique if she tried.

[G650 14229]

The what the school band teacher is for.

 

Related question, is school band still a thing or has it been axed like the rest of the things?

[Handcruser 2805]

I would respectfully disagree.  Get him a small Gretsch Catalina Jazz kit, some lessons, and get yourself some earplugs.
This worked out perfectly for us.  Our daughter learned to play the right way, with a focus on snare rudiments and basic technique, on an appropriately sized kit, and she's off and running now.  She couldn't unlearn that technique if she tried.

Agree. Completely.

They make dampeners for the heads as well as low volume heads (and cymbals). This is the way

[rungeflash 322]

5 hours ago, Ollie Slatt said:

Questions for the hive mind: 

My 9 year old son wants to learn drums.  I think it will be a much easier sell to the wife if I get him an electric kit.  But will an electric kit hinder learning or create bad habits?

Also, at age 9 does it make more sense to get a full sized kit or kid sized?  I want to play around on it too . . . so leaning towards an adult kit.  

If you do opt for an electronic set, I’d suggest the roland td1mk entry level kit, you both should be able to play it comfortably. It’s about $650. I have one of those kits and I also have the roland vdrum DT1 software loaded on a laptop. The laptop connects to the Roland’s module, and it’s quite good practice with immediate feedback and scoring. You can either use an arcade type design (like guitar hero) OR real notation sheet music. I use the sheet music screen. There are endless rudiments,,exercises and practice songs, all with scoring.

The other cool thing is you can search the web for free MIDI drum files, save them to your laptop….and play them with scoring. You want acdc highway to hell? No prob it’s out there. I have hundreds of songs saved….all free.

 

[ohchaucer 1443]

Can’t agree more with JJ and cruser. You need to learn on a real kit. I practice daily on my Roland and an electronic kit is great for keeping limber, recording, playing to music, etc. but learning rudiments and moving around the kit are the fundamentals. And it’s not just a feel thing because higher end electronics have come a long way on head feel (though cymbal feel is crap except for very very top end and even then it’s still just plastic). Even still after 30+ years if I don’t sit behind my real kit weekly, it feels like a transition between the two.

BECAUSE… no electronic kit can replicate one of the most critical aspects of learning the instrument - dynamics. Stick control, ghost notes, buzz rolls vs controlled doubles, etc are all learned by combining feel with dynamics. The reason all new drummers sound like they’re banging around loud as shit is because, in fact, they are. Learning dynamics is what evolves them into the musician at their instrument.

Also, most important purchase for a new drummer is a practice pad and a book of rudiments.

And, yes, earplugs for the whole house.

[G650 14229]

I'd say the most important part is to get him to be a guitar player instead.

[Ollie Slatt 289]

26 minutes ago, G650 said:

I'd say the most important part is to get him to be a guitar player instead.

Working on that too!  I gave him my old baby Taylor and have been showing him some chords.  But the kid is way more interested in learning drums.  

[G650 14229]

1 minute ago, Ollie Slatt said:

Working on that too!  I gave him my old baby Taylor and have been showing him some chords.  But the kid is way more interested in learning drums.  

Hell yeah man

[rungeflash 322]

Some have arrived. My initial thoughts are: Fuckn A

Just some teasers…..I’ll get more pics later on when it’s all here….show you the full setup and all the cymbals I’m surrounding this kit with

 

photography.

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[tbone_ 14106]

More shit in life should be jolly rancher sparkle colored