The Drums Pron Thread

[G650 14252]

54 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

More shit in life should be jolly rancher sparkle colored

Troof.

[jimmyjazz 45903]

Dayum.  That's gorgeous.

[Handcruser 2805]

Some have arrived. My initial thoughts are: Fuckn A
Just some teasers…..I’ll get more pics later on when it’s all here….show you the full setup and all the cymbals I’m surrounding this kit with



 


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Rest of the pics?

[rungeflash 322]

On 9/2/2022 at 7:11 PM, Handcruser said:

Rest of the pics?

They’re coming. I had somewhat of a nightmare last week getting the final package (16” floor)….twice fedex damaged the tom. Wow, what a horrible sight seeing an $800 floor ruined by inadequate packaging (gretsch) and fedex bouncing it like a basketball. Third try overnighted Thursday arrived perfect…..but then I had to go ou5 of town.

I did mess around with the iphone and these are difficult to photograph indoors. Low, soft lighting they’re more red, less sparkle. They come to life in daylight or 4K full lighting. I’m going to break out the cannon try my best. The finish is a hue changer for sure, they will look different depending on conditions.

Impressions of drums…..insane sounding. The toms come with very thin n lively remo Emperors…I wouldn’t dream of dampening these with moongel or gasp….tone killers like Evans hydraulic heads. That would be criminal. Best sounding drum I have ever heard in person. The wow factor in person with the ear is off the charts. Best new drum bang for buck in world? It would be hard to argue.

Virgin kick/cymbal stand rack tom mounts: boy, was I wrong here. I LOVE it. Infinite adjustability. Need a smidge one way or another? Just pick up the cymbal stand. Ball joint hasn’t moved a smidge….but yet they’re very springy in the mounts and resonate beautifully. 
 

22x14 kick: Amazing punch and tone. The only issue I had was some slight dribble on a strike….threw in an Evans EQ kick pad cured that right away. Minimal dampening as it’s very thin. No boominess out of this kick like the 22x18 ludwig I had (which I threw the largest pillow I had in to control). This gretsch destroys it in every way.

The only negative I could possibly dream up about this kit is the toms are HEAVY. I’d guess 30% more weight size for size versus the ludwig poplars I had. Maybe a concern for a gigging drummer lugging these around town.

 

 

 

[tbone_ 14115]

Drum pron from Derek Trucks show last night. Videos don’t do them justice. These guys were insanely tight.

[rungeflash 322]

 

   

[jimmyjazz 45903]

Beautiful kit.  Rack toms angled 70s style!

 

[G650 14252]

That is fucking gorgeous

[rungeflash 322]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Beautiful kit.  Rack toms angled 70s style!

 

LOL.

I am pretty old. I primarily play 70s/80s rock. 

[Handcruser 2805]

Beautiful kit.  Rack toms angled 70s style!
 

That was my first thought.

     

Beautiful.

[ohchaucer 1443]

Beautiful kit.  Rack toms angled 70s style!
 

Lose the resonant heads and you have some pretty sweet symphonic toms a la Phil Collins!

Gorgeous kit though.

[rungeflash 322]

Fuck….someone called the cops yesterday evening. I’ve been playing for 2 years here…never a complaint. I think it’s this 16” floor, it’s mother of god, god of thunder. And it’s addictive to strike lol

I’ve been meaning to look into some additional deadening for this room….but it seems most solutions do little to stop lower frequencies 

[G650 14252]

34 minutes ago, rungeflash said:

Fuck….someone called the cops yesterday evening. I’ve been playing for 2 years here…never a complaint. I think it’s this 16” floor, it’s mother of god, god of thunder. And it’s addictive to strike lol

I’ve been meaning to look into some additional deadening for this room….but it seems most solutions do little to stop lower frequencies 

Are you in apartment or single family?

 

Bass traps will take care of a lot of the problem if you are in free standing structure but in any connected wall there will be transfer, and low frequency by far the worst

[jimmyjazz 45903]

Yup, if it's the low frequencies that are the problem you need mass to stop the sound transmission.  

If you own the house, you could look into building a room within the room, keeping the walls decoupled.  That will do a lot.  It isn't cheap.

[rungeflash 322]

6 hours ago, G650 said:

Are you in apartment or single family?

 

Bass traps will take care of a lot of the problem if you are in free standing structure but in any connected wall there will be transfer, and low frequency by far the worst

It’s a single story, free standing home I own. It has 2 large windows in the drum room and a smaller window off an archway leading to a jack n jill bathroom 

I actually looked into acrylic window inserts a few months ago…but holy shit; talk about sticker shock when I got a quote. I was like yeah……No

I’m going to try bass traps, heavy duty curtains and some acoustic paneling first….We’ll see. I’ve read the ultimate is “room in a room” construction as Jim mentioned….but not sure this is my “forever” home…so doubtful I’d invest that much.

[jimmyjazz 45903]

6 minutes ago, rungeflash said:

I’m going to try bass traps, heavy duty curtains and some acoustic paneling first….

Save your time and money.  It won't change anything an appreciable amount.  If you're up for it, some lead sheet hanging in the window openings might help a bit, as the windows are probably the most acoustically transparent part of the room, by a good amount.  You could probably order some from Grainger or any number of other industrial supply companies.  A few heavy duty hooks in the upper window frame + some grommets in the lead sheet would probably hold.

[G650 14252]

If you are in your own single family, then yeah I think you can certainly tame it without going full isolation, but windows will definitely pose a problem, that's going to hard to tame. The sound essentially gets transferred through the physical structure to the outside world, so stopping it before it gets there is important. Try lots of heavy drapes to start and go from there. Could buy some Gobos to put in front as well

[G650 14252]

Dammit Jimmy beat me.

[jimmyjazz 45903]

Oh, another thought:  you might want to get a sound level measurement (SPL) at the property line and see if you're exceeding local noise ordinance levels.  I'm not saying you shouldn't be a conscientious neighbor, but if your drumming is within legal limits you could probably come to a meeting of the minds with your neighbor, as in "hey, I'm legal, but I get it -- how about I never go past 9 PM?" or something like that.

[rungeflash 322]

Ok, thanks for the ideas and replies….I actually really like the idea of getting a sound level measurement device, and see where it’s measuring right now before I do anything. If I’m within legal limits….well, that changes my thought process quite a bit. Also, I’d like to measure a baseline before any treatment is applied. I would like to improve acoustics in this room at a bare minimum…if there’s any decibel decrease then that’s great too

Maybe someone was having a bad day. It happens. Lol

Edited September 7, 2022 by rungeflash

[jimmyjazz 45903]

2 hours ago, rungeflash said:

Ok, thanks for the ideas and replies….I actually really like the idea of getting a sound level measurement device, and see where it’s measuring right now before I do anything. If I’m within legal limits….well, that changes my thought process quite a bit. Also, I’d like to measure a baseline before any treatment is applied. I would like to improve acoustics in this room at a bare minimum…if there’s any decibel decrease then that’s great too

Maybe someone was having a bad day. It happens. Lol

Do you have an iPhone?  It's hardly laboratory grade, but the "SPL Meter" app isn't horrible.

[G650 14252]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Do you have an iPhone?  It's hardly laboratory grade, but the "SPL Meter" app isn't horrible.

Android ones work pretty fine too. I use them for doing SPL shots on REW all the time

[rungeflash 322]

Well…no more cops. I never measured decibels….I went with a 10lb vinyl backed, weighted zildjian deluxe drum rug in jet black….the walls got audimute 8x4 sound absorption blankets…and the windows are now covered with moondream 3n1 sound curtains. Huge difference is an understatement. Echoes basically gone (this room is 14x14 with 13’ ceiling all sheetrock…a fuckn echo chamber).

Right when I got everything installed, I turned on my 2 PAs, subwoofer and mixer….I had it previously EQ’d perfectly to my ear…damn, it sounded completely different. Like all bass biased. Messed with the EQ to get the mid n highs back. So, I sat there thinking “welp….there’s the proof” 300-20,000 hz is highly affected by the treatment…..sub 300hz not so much.
 

Overall, pretty pleased with the results as my expectations were realistic. I spent a pretty penny or two…but everything I’ve done can come with me if I end up moving.

 

[G650 14252]

Yeah buddy. Put some bass trapping in and you should have a much flatter EQ curve. Some corner traps alone would do a lot.

[rungeflash 322]

10 minutes ago, G650 said:

Yeah buddy. Put some bass trapping in and you should have a much flatter EQ curve. Some corner traps alone would do a lot.

Yup….will do. I’m checking those out today!
 

This has been one heck of a learning experience….crash course in room acoustics. Thanks again for the help.

 

 

[jimmyjazz 45903]

Yup, absent actual traps, interior room treatment does little but kill the mids and highs INSIDE the room.  Long-wavelength bass waves travel right through that shit and straight out the walls to your neighbors.  That's why it makes sense to address the windows with some mass.

[G650 14252]

Just put some egg cartons on the wall and you will be good.

Source:Trust me bro.

[jimmyjazz 45903]

6 minutes ago, G650 said:

Just put some egg cartons on the wall and you will be good.

Source:Trust me bro.

I don't know how many times I've had to disabuse someone from that "solution".  It literally does nothing.  Yet, it still perpetuates.  Bonus:  little bits of rotting eggs in your room.

[Paul Wesley 3278]

You are getting good advice here.  
 

It seems like you’ve already addressed the situation, but I had two thoughts reading this page (in case anyone else is dealing with this):

1 In general, soundproofing a room has to be thought of in terms of “weakest link.”   If windows are the weakest link (letting sound out), then every dollar you spend to treat something other than windows is a dollar almost completely wasted. 
 

2 Soundproofing a room will make tuning that room more problematic.   If you’re trying to build a flat-response mix environment, for example, it’s MUCH easier to do that if the lowest frequencies are allowed to escape.  If those super-long frequencies are reflected back into the room with thick and dense walls (which is what it takes to contain them) those low frequencies are nearly impossible to eliminate - at least in any residential-sized room.  

I often see people wasting a lot of time and money because they mistake soundproofing for acoustically treating (and vice versa).

[rungeflash 322]

That makes sense. I think at this point, the moondream curtains are the biggest bang for buck….before, I had very thin, near useless drapes over two large windows, and a third smaller window had nada. So this is a significant change at the window point of entry/exit. They look very attractive as well. I’ve been blasting on the drums for 4 days now….no complaints. The room does sound better. Whatever the combination is, it has worked just enough to keep the peace.

I have no idea how much it helped the puzzle….But damn, that zildjian drum rug is incredibly nice. When I get a chance, I’ll snap a pic or two of the set and room. That renown paint job looks dazzling against the jet black rug.

 

 

 

 

[jimmyjazz 45903]

57 minutes ago, Paul Wesley said:

2 Soundproofing a room will make tuning that room more problematic.   If you’re trying to build a flat-response mix environment, for example, it’s MUCH easier to do that if the lowest frequencies are allowed to escape.  If those super-long frequencies are reflected back into the room with thick and dense walls (which is what it takes to contain them) those low frequencies are nearly impossible to eliminate - at least in any residential-sized room.  

Absolutely.  The low frequency modal density in a small-to-medium residential room is incredibly lumpy in the first place.  It doesn't get reasonably "smooth" until the low mids, and so the low frequency response is a mess, regardless of most treatment efforts.

Edited September 15, 2022 by jimmyjazz

[rungeflash 322]

Game day porn

 

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[rungeflash 322]

 

 

Bonus new hardware pic….pearl 1030d low profile gyrolock snare stand with air suspension basket….holy balls, this thing is amazing. Highly recommend. Needed the low profile for the 6.5 deep renown snare….what I did not anticipate was how badass the snares resonate in these contraptions. The ludwig stand I was using before was complete junk.

 

 

 

 

[jimmyjazz 45903]

Really?  It sounds different?

I'll have to check that out.  I am woefully ignorant of the effects drum hardware have on the actual sound of the drums.

[rungeflash 322]

Ya it does matter. Inferior ones it sounds way too choked off, no matter how you tension the basket. Same thing goes for rack tom mount systems on a drilled kick drum…cheap sets have shitty ones that tend to choke…more expensive sets have systems that allow them to sing fully. It’s the only point of contact and is very important to a drum. The drawback is cost. Manufacturers spend a fortune trying to figure out appropriate mount systems for their product offerings

 

 

 

 

 

[rungeflash 322]

New hardware: Tama speed cobra hh915d high hat stand

I have had a pearl double pedal for a while…but was using it as a single on the acoustic set because there was not enough room to snake the driveshaft and position the slave pedal. The old high hat stand was 3 legged, non adjustable and there was no room. Enter this 2 legged Tama. Just a really slick piece of engineering all the way around. Plays fabulous, you can easily make sounds you have no business making…it’s a cheater. The tilt feature is really badass to angle the sharp leading edge of the hats down slightly….will save sticks from getting chewed up before their time.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 15, 2022 by rungeflash

[ohchaucer 1443]

I’ve switched to mostly Yamaha hardware but was all Tama before (dw for cymbal stands). They make very good hardware. Love that you’re continuing to upgrade all around!

I might need to wander over the the Drum Center of Portsmouth site soon…..

[Not that Bob 735]

What do y'all think of the retirement of Big Bertha? I am not fond of the new one. Don't need no space age materials in my drums!

[ohchaucer 1443]

Wtf?! I had not heard about this but I was always fond of the ol’ girl. Of course, she probably kinda sounded like shit on a practical level - dimensions and acoustics and what not.

But sad news. Next you’re gonna tell me people are reconsidering “The Eyes” - as if!

[Not that Bob 735]

Oh, don't worry. The new one will sound great...it's miced so they can run it through the jumbotron...with Bob Cole. 

[Celery Man 20934]

 

[Celery Man 20934]

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[G650 14252]

Furk

[Bogeywon 2519]

To many forums! Anyway more from sun records. This kit was recorded on by U2 and they left it in the studio as a gift to the studio. Im in the fuck U2 camp for multiple reasons but mainly the pre uploaded album to my phone. Anyway here’s my dumbass sitting behind it 

[Rimbo 25921]

Had no idea we had a drum porn thread.

So I've got an 8 year old who's turning 9 soon, and she's a drummer. What's a good starter set? Should I go electric?

[jimmyjazz 45903]

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

Had no idea we had a drum porn thread.

So I've got an 8 year old who's turning 9 soon, and she's a drummer. What's a good starter set? Should I go electric?

I cultivated a young female drummer myself.  I'm no expert, but I would strongly resist the urge to go electric.  Get a small acoustic kit.  My daughter played a Gretsch Catalina Jazz kit for a few years -- high quality, smaller shells, perfect.  I don't think they call out the various configurations as "Jazz" etc. any more, but I know they still have a model with a 14" x 20" kick drum (CT1-J404).  About as inexpensive as you could expect for a legit kit.  Several nice finishes:

 

 

 

 

[Rimbo 25921]

30 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm no expert, but I would strongly resist the urge to go electric. 

The main draw I have to electric is the ability to plug it in to headphones. The second draw I have is the ability to use different sounds and use it for my own music; I have no drum-mic skills and, quite frankly, don't have the rest of the equipment I'd need to properly mic a drum kit anyhow.

But I definitely see the advantage of banging on actual, real things. And I think she'd like that more.

[Rimbo 25921]

35 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I cultivated a young female drummer myself.  I'm no expert, but I would strongly resist the urge to go electric.  Get a small acoustic kit.  My daughter played a Gretsch Catalina Jazz kit for a few years -- high quality, smaller shells, perfect.  I don't think they call out the various configurations as "Jazz" etc. any more, but I know they still have a model with a 14" x 20" kick drum (CT1-J404).  About as inexpensive as you could expect for a legit kit.  Several nice finishes:

 

 

 

 

...she says she wants the blue one

 

 

[jimmyjazz 45903]

If she likes it, she'll play it.  Gotta budget for hardware and cymbals, though.

Others might have suggestions for lower cost of entry -- used, etc.

[topochico 1049]

PDP makes a great mid level kit. My son plays a Concept Maple series that is really nice. It was his first kit and he hasn’t outgrown it yet. They have a smaller New Yorker set as well. JJ is right about hardware etc and it begins to add up. We found a combo pack that included hardware and throne and sourced a set of cymbals separately. 
 

I agree about skipping electric. Also, make her wear earplugs, she will thank you when she is an adult and can still hear. 
 

https://www.columbuspercussion.com/store/pdp-concept-series-5-piece-maple-shell-pack-blue-sparkle-w-chrome-hardware-8x10-9x12-14x16-18x22-5-5x14.html