The GQP: Trumpist Death Cult

[Brisketexan 105046]

20 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Same with modeling.

Sheesh.  Don't I know it.  It's HELL being this beautiful.  Sheer hell, I tell ya.

[4th&Five 41506]

 

[Thatguy 8671]

24 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

These motherfuckers really are dumb

[DigglerontheHoof 21168]

They're really dumb and in a cult. 

[Keef 763]

1 hour ago, safe sex said:

Porn that doesn't...exploit the performers? Porn that doesn't pressure women into doing things that they wouldn't otherwise want to do sexually (being forced to deepthroat until vomiting, getting slapped around while being called a bitch or whore, multiple penetrations of the same orifice at the same time, etc. etc. etc.). Even if the porn is vanilla, the contracts, conditions, schedule, etc., can be exploitative. Modern pornography is so much more violent and fetishistic than it was when most of Surly was coming of age. Non-exploitative porn usually means that a woman is directing or producing it, and very often the performers are intimately involved in the production as well (and not just by performing, obv). It usually means there is more affirmation-centered dirty talk than degradation-centered dirty talk (definitely no use of slurs in the case of trans porn). It's usually more vanilla than kinky, but there are plenty of ways for kink to produced without exploiting the performers. It really isn't hard, but most straight men involved in producing porn (and seemingly the majority of those who consume porn) don't seem to care whether or not their porn is exploiting the performers, as long as they can bust their nut and/or make money.

Everyone should critically think about the porn they consume.

 

Username checks out

[mooseoutfront 3643]

2 hours ago, safe sex said:

Porn that doesn't...exploit the performers? Porn that doesn't pressure women into doing things that they wouldn't otherwise want to do sexually (being forced to deepthroat until vomiting, getting slapped around while being called a bitch or whore, multiple penetrations of the same orifice at the same time, etc. etc. etc.). Even if the porn is vanilla, the contracts, conditions, schedule, etc., can be exploitative. Modern pornography is so much more violent and fetishistic than it was when most of Surly was coming of age. Non-exploitative porn usually means that a woman is directing or producing it, and very often the performers are intimately involved in the production as well (and not just by performing, obv). It usually means there is more affirmation-centered dirty talk than degradation-centered dirty talk (definitely no use of slurs in the case of trans porn). It's usually more vanilla than kinky, but there are plenty of ways for kink to produced without exploiting the performers. It really isn't hard, but most straight men involved in producing porn (and seemingly the majority of those who consume porn) don't seem to care whether or not their porn is exploiting the performers, as long as they can bust their nut and/or make money.

Everyone should critically think about the porn they consume.

 

Appreciate the reply.

I find the bolded part of your response the most interesting.

My wife and I run with a interesting crowd, both back in Texas before we moved to Alaska and up here too.  The kink scene is very widespread.  I personally know several women who love being treated like "dirty fucking whores." Women who are turned on by and get off on everything you listed as aberrant sexual behavior.  I know this because I've spoken to them about it after the scene and the aftercare were over.  We've gone to house parties and witnessed Dom/Sub interactions that neither my wife nor I could fathom, but it's not meant for us to understand.  That's between the Dom and the Sub.  As long as everyone is a consenting adult, and I'm assuming that if you are on a movie set getting paid to perform those acts (if not, then that's a different discussion) you are, then who is anyone else to say what should or shouldn't be put on the market for others to consume?

[Mo Horn 8817]

I was listening to some Trump voters being interviewed that had previously been undecided. One person said they decided on Trump because they hoped he would surround himself with good advisors. I'm sorry WTF? He has such a great history of doing just that, so I'm sure there will be Nobel laureates all over the place and he'll follow all their guidance. Just idiotic. 

[Red Five 40823]

5 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

I was listening to some Trump voters being interviewed that had previously been undecided. One person said they decided on Trump because they hoped he would surround himself with good advisors. I'm sorry WTF? He has such a great history of doing just that, so I'm sure there will be Nobel laureates all over the place and he'll follow all their guidance. Just idiotic. 

Yeah his "good advisers" from last time around all pretty much call him Hitler now. 

[Brisketexan 105046]

16 minutes ago, mooseoutfront said:

That's between the Dom and the Sub.

The use of the shitstick makes even more sense now.....

[safe sex 11696]

19 minutes ago, mooseoutfront said:

Appreciate the reply.

I find the bolded part of your response the most interesting.

My wife and I run with a interesting crowd, both back in Texas before we moved to Alaska and up here too.  The kink scene is very widespread.  I personally know several women who love being treated like "dirty fucking whores." Women who are turned on by and get off on everything you listed as aberrant sexual behavior.  I know this because I've spoken to them about it after the scene and the aftercare were over.  We've gone to house parties and witnessed Dom/Sub interactions that neither my wife nor I could fathom, but it's not meant for us to understand.  That's between the Dom and the Sub.  As long as everyone is a consenting adult, and I'm assuming that if you are on a movie set getting paid to perform those acts (if not, then that's a different discussion) you are, then who is anyone else to say what should or shouldn't be put on the market for others to consume?

For sure, consenting adults can get really fucking freaky! I'm pretty kinky myself, though I've got a lot of hard lines, too. I went to Torture Garden last year for Halloween and dripped candle wax over a couple of consenting sex workers who actively told me to do it them. I'm not sure I'm going back this year because the party didn't really live up to the name tbh.

The problem with extreme kink and porn is the profit motive. The more extreme the kink, the smaller the pool of performers/workers you have. With that smaller pool comes a greater asking price for the workers. Furthermore, the more extreme the kink, the smaller the pool of consumers become. Now add in the vice tax, by which I mean the social stigma that porn has, and the scuzzier and less ethical the pool of producers becomes. How do scumbags maximize profits within capitalism? They certainly don't invest in their people and they certainly don't invest in their capital. And in pornography, those are one and the same. Porn producers will take advantage of naive young women (and men!) with all sorts of heinous contracts. Add in some human trafficking, runaways, etc., etc..

That is an extreme illustration, for sure, but it applies to both kink and non-fetish porn. And anyway, the exploitation doesn't even have to be that bad. Just think about how much the average job fucks over the worker in today's economy. That is compounded in industries where there are a lot of grey areas and where much of the industry is hidden away from the public at-large.

For the record, I'm generally pro-pornography. Like many things in this country, our reluctance to admit that almost everyone partakes in this "vice" keeps us from being able to make it a safer and more egalitarian aspect of society and the economy. That's why ethical and non-exploitative porn is important. It's not always easy to find, and it's next to impossible to fully vet, and I'm sure there are probably scumbags who claim to be one of the ~good pornographers~; but while there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, we should always try to mitigate the harm we inflict because we are part of a society that has made certain choices.

Edited October 18 by safe sex

[safe sex 11696]

By the way, @mooseoutfront, I want to clarify that I don't think kink, or enjoying being called a "dirty fucking whore" during sex is "aberrant sexual behavior." But I'd like to point out that the first part of the sentence mentioning name calling including slapping women in the face. I have a very particular series of porn in mind when I put those two together, and if you wouldn't consider those "aberrant sexual behavior" or exploitative pornography, then I wouldn't want to engage in any further conversation about the topic with you. If you don't know what I'm referring to, please trust me when I tell you that they are not videos that someone could have properly consented to perform in.

You also mentioned aftercare, which is something that does not happen on a lot of porn sets, especially those on the sleazier side of the industry. I also don't think it's correct to refer to a porn set as a "movie set." They are not the same thing, and they are not treated the same by society or the government or by the people involved on them (referring to non-mainstream porno especially—there are reformers working within the industry).

[StassneyHorn 6573]

Facialabuse

[Born to Run 6569]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Sheesh.  Don't I know it.  It's HELL being this beautiful.  Sheer hell, I tell ya.

Not for us finger jockeys. We are a different breed.

[mooseoutfront 3643]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

The use of the shitstick makes even more sense now.....

I promised a pic of the fabled shit stick in the other thread.  I'll try to remember to do that this weekend.

Would it surprise you to learn I'm German too?

[Brisketexan 105046]

3 minutes ago, mooseoutfront said:

I promised a pic of the fabled shit stick in the other thread.  I'll try to remember to do that this weekend.

Would it surprise you to learn I'm German too?

Nein.

[Pato del Muerto 52484]

Scheiße kleben

[mooseoutfront 3643]

@safe sex we're basically on the same page.  I'm specifically talking about reputable, at least as reputable as you can be in that industry, porn studios.  I don't include dark web, gonzo type stuff as reputable.  There is always going to be a market for that shit, and if someone is willing to pay for it there will be producers.   Capitalism at it's worst.  Reminds me of the mythical snuff films whispered about in my youth.  

I'm just all about consenting adults letting their freak flags fly.

Enough with the derail.

Fuck Trump

[956 Worldwide 34695]

2 hours ago, mooseoutfront said:

Appreciate the reply.

I find the bolded part of your response the most interesting.

My wife and I run with a interesting crowd, both back in Texas before we moved to Alaska and up here too.  The kink scene is very widespread.  I personally know several women who love being treated like "dirty fucking whores." Women who are turned on by and get off on everything you listed as aberrant sexual behavior.  I know this because I've spoken to them about it after the scene and the aftercare were over.  We've gone to house parties and witnessed Dom/Sub interactions that neither my wife nor I could fathom, but it's not meant for us to understand.  That's between the Dom and the Sub.  As long as everyone is a consenting adult, and I'm assuming that if you are on a movie set getting paid to perform those acts (if not, then that's a different discussion) you are, then who is anyone else to say what should or shouldn't be put on the market for others to consume?

[Willfully Horn 7999]

5 hours ago, safe sex said:

You must have missed every post where I refer to myself as a dyke. 

I have a friend who describes herself the same way. While relating a story this friend told me, my wife asked about the friend. I said, “You remember the woman who described herself as a dyke?” Well, our oldest heard this comment, and came in, full of pique.”YOU CAN’T SAY THAT!” I defended my words as coming from my friend’s self description. “SHE CAN SAY THAT, YOU CANNOT!”

Years went by, and the event came up in a conversation between daughter and I. She said she had been overly dramatic, but I was glad to know that the use of that term, by a cis male, offended some people, and I have avoided it since.

I never told my friend about the exchange, nor asked if my words would have offended her. But, I’ll ask you, SS, would you have been offended by my parroting your own words?

[atomheartbevo 89618]

3 hours ago, mooseoutfront said:

We've gone to house parties and witnessed Dom/Sub interactions that neither my wife nor I could fathom, but it's not meant for us to understand.  That's between the Dom and the Sub.  As long as everyone is a consenting adult, and I'm assuming that if you are on a movie set getting paid to perform those acts (if not, then that's a different discussion) you are, then who is anyone else to say what should or shouldn't be put on the market for others to consume?

We’re there bowls at the door with a bunch of car keys in them?

[atomheartbevo 89618]

8 hours ago, mooseoutfront said:

Honest question...What is non-exploitative porn, trans or otherwise? 

Whatever it is, let’s just not talk about step-moms and step-sisters being stuck in dryers or under the sink.

[jimmyjazz 45877]

I'm not exactly in a minority of any type, but I would think it's one thing to quote someone and another thing to just use the slang yourself.

[brown water 3775]

11 hours ago, Pancho said:

 

Come to the capitol - 1A

Its going to be wild - 1A

The election was stollen - 1A

Fight like hell - 1A

I was sexually assaulted - Death

 

 

 

[mooseoutfront 3643]

15 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

We’re there bowls at the door with a bunch of car keys in them?

No bowls at the door.  The swapping went on at the party.  The exhibitionists put on a show for the voyeurs.  Sensory overload.

[Brisketexan 105046]

No bowls at the door.  The swapping went on at the party.  The exhibitionists put on a show for the voyeurs.  Sensory overload.

“And that was the last Wichita Falls Ladies Sewing Circle potluck I ever went to.”






Who am I kidding, I’d go back every month. If just for Ms. Wallace’s pimento cheese sandwiches.





And the sex show.

[BamaATL 16593]

42 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

“And that was the last Wichita Falls Ladies Sewing Circle potluck I ever went to.”






Who am I kidding, I’d go back every month. If just for Ms. Wallace’s pimento cheese sandwiches.





And the sex show.

I just hope you don't defile the fondue.  

[Brisketexan 105046]

I just hope you don't defile the fondue.  

Oh, you know where I stand on such matters.

[Born to Run 6569]

I have a friend who describes herself the same way. While relating a story this friend told me, my wife asked about the friend. I said, “You remember the woman who described herself as a dyke?” Well, our oldest heard this comment, and came in, full of pique.”YOU CAN’T SAY THAT!” I defended my words as coming from my friend’s self description. “SHE CAN SAY THAT, YOU CANNOT!”
Years went by, and the event came up in a conversation between daughter and I. She said she had been overly dramatic, but I was glad to know that the use of that term, by a cis male, offended some people, and I have avoided it since.
I never told my friend about the exchange, nor asked if my words would have offended her. But, I’ll ask you, SS, would you have been offended by my parroting your own words?

I have a lot of lesbian friends and clients, and a few gay friends. I treat all potentially offensive words as off limits unless I'm in the group the slur targets. So I might bitch about the kraut at the office, or make a pollock joke, but I'm not going to fire off a n bomb, fag, Dyke etc.
Why should I require others to decipher if I'm being funny or cruel.
However imo members of groups that are targeted by those words have every right to demystify or destigmatize those words by using them. And they often do so hilariously- see Dave Chappelle with the n-word. A white dude is never making that work, so just leave it alone.

Props to you sir for asking questions and actively trying to be thoughtful.

[Born to Run 6569]

No bowls at the door.  The swapping went on at the party.  The exhibitionists put on a show for the voyeurs.  Sensory overload.

All the swinger's I've ever known were not people I'd want to see naked- picts to prove me wrong?

[SimonBolivar 10957]

5 hours ago, mooseoutfront said:

Appreciate the reply.

I find the bolded part of your response the most interesting.

My wife and I run with a interesting crowd, both back in Texas before we moved to Alaska and up here too.  The kink scene is very widespread.  I personally know several women who love being treated like "dirty fucking whores." Women who are turned on by and get off on everything you listed as aberrant sexual behavior.  I know this because I've spoken to them about it after the scene and the aftercare were over.  We've gone to house parties and witnessed Dom/Sub interactions that neither my wife nor I could fathom, but it's not meant for us to understand.  That's between the Dom and the Sub.  As long as everyone is a consenting adult, and I'm assuming that if you are on a movie set getting paid to perform those acts (if not, then that's a different discussion) you are, then who is anyone else to say what should or shouldn't be put on the market for others to consume?

[SimonBolivar 10957]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

“And that was the last Wichita Falls Ladies Sewing Circle potluck I ever went to.”






Who am I kidding, I’d go back every month. If just for Ms. Wallace’s pimento cheese sandwiches.





And the sex show.

[safe sex 11696]

4 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

Facialabuse

Among other awful abusers

[SydneyCarton 48052]

5 hours ago, mooseoutfront said:

Appreciate the reply.

I find the bolded part of your response the most interesting.

My wife and I run with an interesting crowd, both back in Texas before we moved to Alaska and up here too.  The kink scene is very widespread.  I personally know several women who love being treated like "dirty fucking whores." Women who are turned on by and get off on everything you listed as aberrant sexual behavior.  I know this because I've spoken to them about it after the scene and the aftercare were over.  We've gone to house parties and witnessed Dom/Sub interactions that neither my wife nor I could fathom, but it's not meant for us to understand.  That's between the Dom and the Sub.  As long as everyone is a consenting adult, and I'm assuming that if you are on a movie set getting paid to perform those acts (if not, then that's a different discussion) you are, then who is anyone else to say what should or shouldn't be put on the market for others to consume?

Alaska just keeps getting more and more interesting. 

[Jack Straw 2954]

On 10/17/2024 at 4:24 PM, Mittens said:

If you're wearing a Trump t-shirt, you're MAGA.

if you vote for any Republican, for any office, you’re MAGA.  

[Biff Tannen 45661]

This is one of the wilder derails I've seen on this site.

[safe sex 11696]

2 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

I have a friend who describes herself the same way. While relating a story this friend told me, my wife asked about the friend. I said, “You remember the woman who described herself as a dyke?” Well, our oldest heard this comment, and came in, full of pique.”YOU CAN’T SAY THAT!” I defended my words as coming from my friend’s self description. “SHE CAN SAY THAT, YOU CANNOT!”

Years went by, and the event came up in a conversation between daughter and I. She said she had been overly dramatic, but I was glad to know that the use of that term, by a cis male, offended some people, and I have avoided it since.

I never told my friend about the exchange, nor asked if my words would have offended her. But, I’ll ask you, SS, would you have been offended by my parroting your own words?

Honestly it would depend on how well I knew you and how sure I could be that there wasn't any underlying homophobia in how you used the word. 

Just from our interactions over the years on Surly, I'm confident you were just using your friend's own words. But I'm never like... thrilled to hear a straight man use the word regardless of context. And I'm only okay with certain gay men ever using it lmao 

[Dnaguy 11915]

1 hour ago, Born to Run said:

I have a lot of lesbian friends and clients, and a few gay friends. I treat all potentially offensive words as off limits unless I'm in the group the slur targets. So I might bitch about the kraut at the office, or make a pollock joke, but I'm not going to fire off a n bomb, fag, Dyke etc.
Why should I require others to decipher if I'm being funny or cruel.
However imo members of groups that are targeted by those words have every right to demystify or destigmatize those words by using them. And they often do so hilariously- see Dave Chappelle with the n-word. A white dude is never making that work, so just leave it alone.

Props to you sir for asking questions and actively trying to be thoughtful.

Using that kind of language in a public forum is retarded.

Everyone knows that.

 

[Born to Run 6569]

11 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

Using that kind of language in a public forum is retarded.

Everyone knows that.

 

Going to a party tomorrow where the hosts would  absolutely lose thier shit at "retard". God i love em tho.

[RDCanecutter 26377]

7 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

Going to a party tomorrow where the hosts would  absolutely lose thier shit at "retard". God i love em tho.

Why? Do they put beans up their nose?

[MissingInAction 25002]

1 hour ago, Born to Run said:

Going to a party tomorrow where the hosts would  absolutely lose thier shit at "retard". God i love em tho.

I'm taking retard back. Not to ever ever use that word to describe a person with an intellectual disability.

turnip is retarded and so are his followers.

Shit.

[tchookem 3900]

I'm taking retard back. Not to ever ever use that word to describe a person with an intellectual disability.
turnip is retarded and so are his followers.
Shit.

I do wish there was a word that carried the same gravitas. Dipshit has been my go-to, but that doesn't quite cut it. I don't see this going your way.

[mooseoutfront 3643]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Alaska just keeps getting more and more interesting. 

 

2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is one of the wilder derails I've seen on this site.

 

[MissingInAction 25002]

50 minutes ago, tchookem said:

I do wish there was a word that carried the same gravitas. Dipshit has been my go-to, but that doesn't quite cut it. I don't see this going your way.

I'm being sarcastic.

I've been using mentally deficient.

The state once had an agency called MHMR: Dept of mental health and mental retardation.

It's dshs now.

Edited October 19 by MissingInAction

[Willfully Horn 7999]

3 hours ago, safe sex said:

Honestly it would depend on how well I knew you and how sure I could be that there wasn't any underlying homophobia in how you used the word. 

Just from our interactions over the years on Surly, I'm confident you were just using your friend's own words. But I'm never like... thrilled to hear a straight man use the word regardless of context. And I'm only okay with certain gay men ever using it lmao 

Truth.be told, I wouldn’t use that word, at all, except in the situation I described, and only with my wife. I had no idea my daughter was in earshot. I’d like to think if my friend heard that tale, she’d laugh. The chance my story would offend her means I won’t share it with her.

My big takeaway from the encounter was the memory it brought back, of my father trying to make the case that the n-word was less race specific than it was a condemnation of low account people. There are trashy people of every race, he said, all of whom deserved the slur. And I was horrified to hear that from him. And greatly embarrassed. My thought was I had similarly horrified, and embarrassed, my daughter. There may be some solace in the notion that racial, and civil, justice rachets forward generation by generation, but I feel shame to have embarrassed my daughter.

[safe sex 11696]

As far as slur-related comments go, I don't think you have anything to be ashamed of.

[Goredho 17394]

Lmao, petition to rename thread “The CR: Surly Sex Cult”

[C-Man 27183]

[Underdog 28544]

And he calls them his fur babies. 

[C-Man 27183]

Watching Clemson game on ACC Network and keep seeing a commercial for 3-month supply of “survival food” from 4Patriots.com. So there’s that.

[Thatguy 8671]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

This is the guy that comes speeding around from behind when I'm driving my wife's car to curse us out and then sees me in the driver's seat and keeps it moving.