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10 hours ago, flatdawgs said:

I'd never heard of prayer before a game or other events - at least at non-religious schools - and had attended CFB games in probably 25-30 places around the country when I started dating my now ex, a South Carolinian. She took me to a Gamecock game and, yes, there was a pre-game prayer, which shocked me. This was about 25 years ago and it continues to this day as far as I know. Being naive and from the PNW, I was shocked that it was even allowable at a state school. I received an education on the difference between the deep South and my part of the country that day and on many others, on many different things. 

I don't ever remember hearing a prayer at college games, but it was commonplace on Friday nights at Texas high school football games back in the 1980s.

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10 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Radical republicans are just vile people. they seriously need help

 

There's an asshole on the football board who was bitching about how it pained him to be "tolerant" of the Rangerette who signed the national anthem at the game Friday night. Took all I had not to tear him a new one yesterday when I saw his post (my daughter is Deaf).

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2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

There's an asshole on the football board who was bitching about how it pained him to be "tolerant" of the Rangerette who signed the national anthem at the game Friday night. Took all I had not to tear him a new one yesterday when I saw his post (my daughter is Deaf).

Link? I’ll happily tell him to go fuck himself

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42 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Link? I’ll happily tell him to go fuck himself

It's buried in somewhere the Cotton Bowl thread. Not worth making a fuss about at this point. I probably should've said something when I came across it, but I wasn't in the mood or have the energy to get into it yesterday when I came across the asshole's post. 

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2 hours ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

My favorite part of the prayer before Friday's game is that they made sure to sneak in "the Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic" in there. Gotta make sure the title sponsor gets mentioned, you know, just like Jesus would want.

Idea of the day. Churches are missing out on sponsorship opportunities.  “Today the Lord’s Prayer is brought you by Golden Corral off Hwy 456. Tell them you were here and you will receive $2 off per meal today only. Our father in heaven…”

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With the prevalence of closed caption, I can see that some sign language at press conferences is redundant. Then again communication redundancy is not necessarily a bad thing especially in emergency situations.

i don’t know if it’s needed to sign the national anthem in a large stadium. For the people who need the sign language, are they actually able to see the person? And if the sign language is on the screen, why not just go with closed captions? Very far down the list of things that bother me.

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3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

With the prevalence of closed caption, I can see that some sign language at press conferences is redundant. Then again communication redundancy is not necessarily a bad thing especially in emergency situations.

i don’t know if it’s needed to sign the national anthem in a large stadium. For the people who need the sign language, are they actually able to see the person? And if the sign language is on the screen, why not just go with closed captions? Very far down the list of things that bother me.

Have you ever actually read the closed captioning on a live event? 

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Just now, Sawbonz said:

Have you ever actually read the closed captioning on a live event? 

I don’t recall seeing someone signing anything at a large event. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. I have seen the closed captions on a board for the announcers at NRG Stadium.

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Just now, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I don’t recall seeing someone signing anything at a large event. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. I have seen the closed captions on a board for the announcers at NRG Stadium.

I was referring to your comment about press conferences 

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5 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

With the prevalence of closed caption, I can see that some sign language at press conferences is redundant. Then again communication redundancy is not necessarily a bad thing especially in emergency situations.

i don’t know if it’s needed to sign the national anthem in a large stadium. For the people who need the sign language, are they actually able to see the person? And if the sign language is on the screen, why not just go with closed captions? Very far down the list of things that bother me.

It's not simply about the words themselves. For the Deaf, seeing the anthem signed is a form of poetry. They're not there simply interpreting the anthem word-for-word. If you know sign language, you see the use of symbolic signs, rather than a bunch of fingerspelling and precise interpretation. ASL is a visual language that the Deaf and signers artfully play with.

Imagine the anthem without music and just a dry recitation of the lyrics. 

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6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

What an absurd thing to get butthurt about.  It continues to amaze me that the people who have spent a decade or more throwing out the "snowflake" pejorative are far and away the bigger snowflakes.

Very easily triggered, and in need of a safe space. Every accusation, yada yada yada.

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5 hours ago, bolverk said:

It's not simply about the words themselves. For the Deaf, seeing the anthem signed is a form of poetry. They're not there simply interpreting the anthem word-for-word. If you know sign language, you see the use of symbolic signs, rather than a bunch of fingerspelling and precise interpretation. ASL is a visual language that the Deaf and signers artfully play with.

Imagine the anthem without music and just a dry recitation of the lyrics. 

I also read (I can’t vouch if it’s true)that on average deaf Americans read English at much lower level, because ASL is their first language and its not as simple as just turning it into written English.  Which I didn’t think of, but intuitively makes sense, since it’s a different language and they can’t experience the spoken word.  Like trying to learn to read Spanish but you never learn to speak Spanish and the teacher tries to explain how to read in English. (Maybe non-phonetic languages like Chinese are easier for deaf people to learn— just an aside).  So it’s important to use ASL to give critical information. 

Anyway, it’s so stupid that people are whining about this.  The super-massive core of chud psychology is a burning fear that somewhere, someone different is being treated with compassion. 

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5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

So like the pledge of allegiance? (Which I believe was changed in the mid to late 20th century to include “under god” in a moment of foreshadowing)

Sure, that analogy works, I suppose. If you want to go extreme, it'd be like not allowing a blind person to hear the Anthem; they can only read it in Braille. Like someone mentioned up-thread, closed captioning for live events can be really hit-or-miss (though I doubt they'd fuck up the Anthem but you never know).

I just don't get how someone gets off trying to exclude a class of individuals from participating in the Anthem because it's a "distraction." Fine, shut your eyes and listen to the goddamned thing so that, horror of horrors, you don't have to see a visually poetic interpretation of the fucking song.

Here's a funny thing: I got on BlueSky about an hour or so ago, and I'm seeing lots of skeets(?) about Charlie fuckin' Kirk bitching about an ASL interpreter for an LA fire press conference being a distraction. So, yeah, that particular bullshit is now lingering in the air, and now we've got to hear about it.

So, like all the other bullshit we have to deal with, there's something/someone behind the viral conservative "controversy."

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6 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I also read (I can’t vouch if it’s true)that on average deaf Americans read English at much lower level, because ASL is their first language and its not as simple as just turning it into written English.  Which I didn’t think of, but intuitively makes sense, since it’s a different language and they can’t experience the spoken word.  Like trying to learn to read Spanish but you never learn to speak Spanish and the teacher tries to explain how to read in English. (Maybe non-phonetic languages like Chinese are easier for deaf people to learn— just an aside).  So it’s important to use ASL to give critical information. 

Anyway, it’s so stupid that people are whining about this.  The super-massive core of chud psychology is a burning fear that somewhere, someone different is being treated with compassion. 

Yeah, it's an unfortunate truth that many, many Deaf people are poor readers/writers -- especially those who were mainstreamed and don't get the special attention they need to hone those skills. Hearing kids pick up spoken language largely by osmosis because it's all around them all the time, and then it gets reinforced by reading.

For the Deaf, they don't have sounds to associate a meaning to individual letters or letter combinations. They've just got to memorize all the combinations that make up words, which is really hard for younger kids. So, they get behind, and most never fully catch up.

Fortunately, my daughter received intense instruction from my ex-wife and me at home and at school (Texas School for the Deaf), where she's now an excellent reader/writer. But it took a long time for it to click, and I was admittedly worried about her writing all the way up to early high school.

The vast majority of kids don't have the luxury of having parents with post-grad degrees or even going to a school like TSD, and I'd venture half of them have Deaf parents who, themselves, are not good readers/writers.

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20 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Sure, that analogy works, I suppose. If you want to go extreme, it'd be like not allowing a blind person to hear the Anthem; they can only read it in Braille. Like someone mentioned up-thread, closed captioning for live events can be really hit-or-miss (though I doubt they'd fuck up the Anthem but you never know).

I just don't get how someone gets off trying to exclude a class of individuals from participating in the Anthem because it's a "distraction." Fine, shut your eyes and listen to the goddamned thing so that, horror of horrors, you don't have to see a visually poetic interpretation of the fucking song.

Here's a funny thing: I got on BlueSky about an hour or so ago, and I'm seeing lots of skeets(?) about Charlie fuckin' Kirk bitching about an ASL interpreter for an LA fire press conference being a distraction. So, yeah, that particular bullshit is now lingering in the air, and now we've got to hear about it.

So, like all the other bullshit we have to deal with, there's something/someone behind the viral conservative "controversy."

Fuckin Charlie Kirk, man. What a dipshit.

One thing I non-ironically believe is that Democrats made a mistake in having such deep ties between activists and NGOs and their decision makers.  It’s not that activism doesn’t have a place, but it trends towards anti-pragmatism and treats compromise as a moral failing, which hinders good policy making and governance. It also leads to an “ur-cause, one thing is everything and the only thing” mentality. 
 

But the GOP has long caught up and done it so much stupider. 
 

 

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