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This is such unbridled horseshit. I live in fucking California, and I'm not sure if I've ever seen a Fuck Trump shirt/flag/bumper sticker/whatever in person. I can't go a day without seeing Let's Go B

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Did not have former Skid Row lead singer Sebastian Bach talking shit to MAGA cult members on my bingo card. But here we are.  

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Yep. I was a George Will/Ronald Reagan/Al Laffer conservative.  I genuinely thought that if you cut taxes for the upper classes, then they would spend and invest and the economic result of that w

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33 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

There's a conversation going on right now in the DT covid thread that encapsulates this perfectly. Some people just don't think there should be any rules that they have to play by. Rules aren't for them, rules are for other people. But they know that's not popular so they try to dress it up with a bunch of psuedophilosophical "ideas," one of the newer examples of which is their new commitment to "colorblindness" as policy. They know that if more people understand that racism continues to exist and continues to hurt minorities today, more people will want to do something about it. And that would threaten their self-perceived social, cultural, and economic power.

The DT board should be fucking nuked from orbit - and especially that thread - because people like Cheeseweasel, Increduility and BabaYaga parrot the same fucking talking points, add no critical insight and just whine about being oppressed with masks.

Seriously, that board is a cesspool.  Like, it should be locked in a box, buried under 20 feet of ice, burned, nuked and jettisoned into the sun.

The fact y'all go over there and engage with them is.... *wow.* 

22 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

Huh, a PRIVATE BUSINESS making a decision to ban someone is now wrong.

Enough is enough - this party has no convictions. None.  No convictions, no consistent philosophy and no intelligence to see how Facebook banning Trump should be heralded by them because they also support adoption agencies banning LGBT couples.  ITS THE SAME FUCKING THING. 

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11 minutes ago, Js1 said:

The DT board should be fucking nuked from orbit - and especially that thread - because people like Cheeseweasel, Increduility and BabaYaga parrot the same fucking talking points, add no critical insight and just whine about being oppressed with masks.

Seriously, that board is a cesspool.  Like, it should be locked in a box, buried under 20 feet of ice, burned, nuked and jettisoned into the sun.

The fact y'all go over there and engage with them is.... *wow.* 

i really had no idea is was that bad. i'm thinking about moving it here and renaming it.

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

So…

Help me understand their beef with Critical Race Theory and how this got started. It just seemed to blow up as a radical right wing talking point out of nowhere.

And the most crazy part, every radical Republican that mentions it either a.) can’t tell us what it is or b.) makes up shit that is 100% wrong.

I used CRT as the framework for my dissertation. 

b) is literally their brand. Just look at what they did to the word "socialism." Used it wrong for decades and now most people think it's something that it's not. They did it to abortion too using "pro-life" as their term when they don't give a shit about life, especially once it pops out of a vagina, and ignore that a lot of people don't like abortion but are also against laws outlawing the procedure. They created the term "big government" to avoid funding any government, ignoring that government needs funding to provide basic services and safety protocols. They twisted "defund the police" and now even liberals are pretending that its something other than it is. They make up shit all the time and twist things into soundbites that their fat uneducated redneck base eats up. 

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I have a former friend who is completely obsessed with it.  She also has two daughters in college, which probably drives that obsession.  My breaking point was when she was lecturing me on how CRT is taking over college campuses.  I told her that I have worked on a college campus for 30 years and have never heard of it.  She accused me of being uninformed and dropped a Tucker line on me, "They'll come for your classes soon!"  

(I mainly teach asset pricing and technology classes, so I told her to go fuck herself.)

I suspect that about half or more of the teaching of Critical Race Theory is "here it is, for better or worse."   Even the most liberal law professor(s) I was exposed to, both adherents of its kissing cousin Critical Legal Studies, basically threw it out there and said here it is, for better or worse.  They did kind of advocate it, but they didn't cram it down anyone's throat.

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2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

b) is literally their brand. Just look at what they did to the word "socialism." Used it wrong for decades and now most people think it's something that it's not. They did it to abortion too using "pro-life" as their term when they don't give a shit about life, especially once it pops out of a vagina. They created the term "big government" to avoid funding any government, ignoring that government needs funding to provide basic services and safety protocols. They twisted "defund the police" and now even liberals are pretending that its something other than it is. They make up shit all the time and twist things into soundbites that their fat uneducated redneck base eats up. 

I know a guy that plays guitar and sings for a living.  He's pretty good, and makes a living doing it.  Pre-pandemic he was playing 320 dates a year.  Not bad at all.

 

Anyway, last time I saw him (there was a group of us), he tells a story about a friend of his that goes to a new primary doctor for a 1st visit.  When going over his health record, the doc asks if there were guns in the house.  The guitar player was outraged and starts screaming about how now the doctors are socialists too!

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4 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

I know a guy that plays guitar and sings for a living.  He's pretty good, and makes a living doing it.  Pre-pandemic he was playing 320 dates a year.  Not bad at all.

 

Anyway, last time I saw him (there was a group of us), he tells a story about a friend of his that goes to a new primary doctor for a 1st visit.  When going over his health record, the doc asks if there were guns in the house.  The guitar player was outraged and starts screaming about how now the doctors are socialists too!

Was it bass guitar?

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

Help me understand their beef with Critical Race Theory and how this got started. It just seemed to blow up as a radical right wing talking point out of nowhere.

I saw a surge coinciding with the release of 1619 Project. That informs my opinion on their motivation. 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

I know a guy that plays guitar and sings for a living.  He's pretty good, and makes a living doing it.  Pre-pandemic he was playing 320 dates a year.  Not bad at all.

 

Anyway, last time I saw him (there was a group of us), he tells a story about a friend of his that goes to a new primary doctor for a 1st visit.  When going over his health record, the doc asks if there were guns in the house.  The guitar player was outraged and starts screaming about how now the doctors are socialists too!

How pathetic.  If you're that butt-hurt over it, just say no and go about your day. 

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3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This ousting of Cheney seems to be the final step in the complete conversion to the cult of dotard.  Seriously, it is a cult in every sense of the word. 

When a group views Liz Cheney as too far left, they are firmly extremist.

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49 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I suspect that about half or more of the teaching of Critical Race Theory is "here it is, for better or worse."   Even the most liberal law professor(s) I was exposed to, both adherents of its kissing cousin Critical Legal Studies, basically threw it out there and said here it is, for better or worse.  They did kind of advocate it, but they didn't cram it down anyone's throat.

I mean, it was pretty basic stuff as a multi discipline seminar at Bates back in the mid 90s.  I think it was Racism and the evolution of America. Society or something.  i thought that teaching people that racist policies have shaped the scope and history of society was like 200 level poli sci. I didn’t realize until recently how many people are like “RACISM ISNT A THING ANY MORE!”. 

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2 hours ago, Lobo said:

Two Trumpers ran for school board in our district against two incumbents (who I am not crazy about).  They both lost 55-45.  Their huge driving points were "Open Schools Back Up Now!!!" (our school year had 50% in person capacity for the first quarter and 100% in person the last three quarters, not sure what they were yelling about) and then how the new district DEI director was overhauling STEM curriculum in order to teach Critical Race Theory.  And a huge portion of our electorate ate it up.  Neighbors were asking me what I thought about all this.  I guess the part where our kids come home and tell us about MLK or Jackie Robinson is a bad thing? There's no CRT curriculum, they just added some extra stuff during Black History Month.  There's still barely any discussion of Latin or Asian culture/history, so I really don't think CRT is overtaking our schools.  Unless the busybodies start finding out wheat Al-Hebra gave us.  

there's all that, plus one of them was named Nigel.  now, if it was an election for the House of Lords, or a seat at the Knights of the Round Table, I might have considered him, but given that it was for school board, and the fact that he seemed like the kind of candidate Trump would endorse, made that an easy decision for me.

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Good point.  His top 3 priorities overall...for the whole election, two of them centered around CRT.  The other one, ironically, was calling for more "unity."

He tried to float out, through Nextdoor surrogates, this notion that due to some corporate seminar he attended and helped lead, he was equipped better than any board member to overhaul the DEI initiatives and replace it with something less controversial and unifying.  After about two days of people laughing at that, he took it down.  

It's bullshit to say that white men (particularly well-off ones like him) can't participate meaningfully in DEI discussions.  But if your name is fucking Nigel, best to just stick to "Nigel Sounding Shit" like Budgets, Soccer team making playoffs, and the theater arts program.  

I still don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing, but in a part of town that broke for Trump in 2016 and 2020...two obvious Trumpers lost by 10%+ for school board.  I think it means, when it comes to our children, and tacitly to our community...we really don't batshit Trumpism everywhere in our lives.  I think a lot of people in this district  voted for Trump with their noses held, knowing he'd be toxic for America overall.  But he lowered taxes and regulations.  If you don't have to deal with "Trumpers" on a daily basis around our district, I can see how so many smart people went in for it.  But once trumpers would be actively working in our schools, people kinda thought, "Oh heavens, no.  My bad.  I don't mind that shit out in the country or in D.C., but not here at Westlake High School, the crown jewel of our community."  Even in November.  There were no Trump signs, no F-250's rolling around Bee Caves Road with Trump flags, no maskless Trumpers starting shit at the non-existent Applebees or Wal-Mart, etc.  Trump was easy for these people to support because they didn't have to live among the army of empowered stupidity he helped raise.  

So thanks be to Nigel and his sidekick.  They made a little chunk of Austin voters a little wiser.  "Supporting Trump was like supporting my crazy and stupid brother-in-law.  Sure they were both idiots and always causing problems but better to deal with the crazy you know than the ones you don't.  But there's no fucking way I'm letting either one around my kids."  

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2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I’m surprised they didn’t run on “why do we need a DEI director?  Waste of money”

Oh, they totally did.  Every candidate form feature repeated claims that we hired a DEI director from New York (he's not from New York) for $180,000 (we didn't pay him $180,000.

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there's all that, plus one of them was named Nigel.  now, if it was an election for the House of Lords, or a seat at the Knights of the Round Table, I might have considered him, but given that it was for school board, and the fact that he seemed like the kind of candidate Trump would endorse, made that an easy decision for me.

Yeah, so about that, . . . 

I was maybe a touch overserved during the EEF gala.  So at one point at dinner I very loudly stated to one of our dinner companions, "There's no fucking way I'm voting for some limey bastard named 'Nigel;' we fought an entire Revolution so we wouldn't be led by limey bastards named 'Nigel.'"

My wife firmly grabbed my arm and whispered, "lower your goddamned voice, he's at the next table over."  At that point, I started to quietly sing "Yankee Doodle."

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44 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

there's all that, plus one of them was named Nigel.  now, if it was an election for the House of Lords, or a seat at the Knights of the Round Table, I might have considered him, but given that it was for school board, and the fact that he seemed like the kind of candidate Trump would endorse, made that an easy decision for me.

What if it was Nigel Fairservice, romping with his school chums in the fens and spinneys when the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame?

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20 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

What if it was Nigel Fairservice, romping with his school chums in the fens and spinneys when the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame?

hmmmm....that sounds like something from the lyrics of a Decemberists song

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9 hours ago, Fletch said:

Yeah I don’t text him back all that often. And sometimes he and I don’t discuss politics, just sports and hilarious stories from high school and shit.

Maybe have meshach and abednego try to talk some sense into him

 

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2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

What if it was Nigel Fairservice, romping with his school chums in the fens and spinneys when the twilight bathed the hedgerows like a lambent flame?

You've clearly been reading too much RD Canecutter.

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lol at "being nice is over".  Yeah, they've just been so polite until now.

Yeah, see, the violent insurrection expressly aimed at using force to stop Congress from doing their job....well, that was just love and hugs.

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The Post has an op-ed by Liz.  She's out of fucks to give, but the train has left the station, Liz.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/05/liz-cheney-republican-party-turning-point/

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In public statements again this week, former president Donald Trump has repeated his claims that the 2020 election was a fraud and was stolen. His message: I am still the rightful president, and President Biden is illegitimate. Trump repeats these words now with full knowledge that exactly this type of language provoked violence on Jan. 6. And, as the Justice Department and multiple federal judges have suggested, there is good reason to believe that Trump’s language can provoke violence again. Trump is seeking to unravel critical elements of our constitutional structure that make democracy work — confidence in the result of elections and the rule of law. No other American president has ever done this.

 

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The Republican Party is at a turning point, and Republicans must decide whether we are going to choose truth and fidelity to the Constitution. In the immediate wake of the violence of Jan. 6, almost all of us knew the gravity and the cause of what had just happened — we had witnessed it firsthand.

House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy (Calif.) left no doubt in his public remarks. On the floor of the House on Jan. 13, McCarthy said: “The president bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters. He should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding.” Now, McCarthy has changed his story.

 

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I am a conservative Republican, and the most conservative of conservative values is reverence for the rule of law. Each of us swears an oath before God to uphold our Constitution. The electoral college has spoken. More than 60 state and federal courts, including multiple Trump-appointed judges, have rejected the former president’s arguments, and refused to overturn election results. That is the rule of law; that is our constitutional system for resolving claims of election fraud.

 

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The question before us now is whether we will join Trump’s crusade to delegitimize and undo the legal outcome of the 2020 election, with all the consequences that might have. I have worked overseas in nations where changes in leadership come only with violence, where democracy takes hold only until the next violent upheaval. America is exceptional because our constitutional system guards against that. At the heart of our republic is a commitment to the peaceful transfer of power among political rivals in accordance with law. President Ronald Reagan described this as our American “miracle.”

While embracing or ignoring Trump’s statements might seem attractive to some for fundraising and political purposes, that approach will do profound long-term damage to our party and our country. Trump has never expressed remorse or regret for the attack of Jan. 6 and now suggests that our elections, and our legal and constitutional system, cannot be trusted to do the will of the people. This is immensely harmful, especially as we now compete on the world stage against Communist China and its claims that democracy is a failed system.

First, support the ongoing Justice Department criminal investigations of the Jan. 6 attack. Those investigations must be comprehensive and objective; neither the White House nor any member of Congress should interfere.

Second, we must support a parallel bipartisan review by a commission with subpoena power to seek and find facts; it will describe for all Americans what happened. This is critical to defeat the misinformation and nonsense circulating in the press and on social media. No currently serving member of Congress — with an eye to the upcoming election cycle — should participate. We should appoint former officials, members of the judiciary and other prominent Americans who can be objective, just as we did after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. The commission should be focused on the Jan. 6 attacks. The Black Lives Matter and antifa violence of last summer was illegal and reprehensible, but it is a different problem with a different solution.

Finally, we Republicans need to stand for genuinely conservative principles, and steer away from the dangerous and anti-democratic Trump cult of personality. In our hearts, we are devoted to the American miracle. We believe in the rule of law, in limited government, in a strong national defense, and in prosperity and opportunity brought by low taxes and fiscally conservative policies.

There is much at stake now, including the ridiculous wokeness of our political rivals, the irrational policies at the border and runaway spending that threatens a return to the catastrophic inflation of the 1970s. Reagan formed a broad coalition from across the political spectrum to return America to sanity, and we need to do the same now. We know how. But this will not happen if Republicans choose to abandon the rule of law and join Trump’s crusade to undermine the foundation of our democracy and reverse the legal outcome of the last election.

History is watching. Our children are watching. We must be brave enough to defend the basic principles that underpin and protect our freedom and our democratic process. I am committed to doing that, no matter what the short-term political consequences might be.

 

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