The GQP: Trumpist Death Cult

[Guest Lobo]

He could be the first person to ever lose three popular votes for POTUS.  That's damn impressive.  Enough to get yourself a new wing at a Presidential Library...oh, wait. 

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I don't think he runs in '24.

He can make plenty of money without leaving Mar-a-Lago.

And speaking of being seen as a loser, does he really want to run the risk of losing again? What would that do for his image to lose twice in a row?  This isn't some bankrupt casino or business that gets swept under the rug, it would be losing on the national stage a second time.  People would stop donating.

I strongly believe he and the Rs are going to try to ensure that he can't lose. The fraud and ratfucking from the Rs across the country in 2024 is going to be off the charts and like nothing we've ever seen. 

[Francisco 2.0 32,379]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I don't think he runs in '24.

He can make plenty of money without leaving Mar-a-Lago.

And speaking of being seen as a loser, does he really want to run the risk of losing again? What would that do for his image to lose twice in a row?  This isn't some bankrupt casino or business that gets swept under the rug, it would be losing on the national stage a second time.  People would stop donating.

I want to believe.

On the other hand, who gives a shit about an election when they can set the election rules.  Trump could just be anointed President by a GOP House and Senate in '24 and just tell the Constitution to fuck off.

 

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,049]

3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I don't think he runs in '24.

He can make plenty of money without leaving Mar-a-Lago.

And speaking of being seen as a loser, does he really want to run the risk of losing again? What would that do for his image to lose twice in a row?  This isn't some bankrupt casino or business that gets swept under the rug, it would be losing on the national stage a second time.  People would stop donating.

He loves the attention from the rallies, but his health over the next two years is going to be an issue. For all folks dunk on Biden, the man takes care of himself. Trump? Not so much.

[cactusflinthead 27,597]

 

[SydneyCarton 47,972]

6 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

I appreciate Rex Chapman’s Twitter, but isn’t that a weird message for a local state politician to tag him in?

[DigglerontheHoof 21,137]

I can't recall who first stated this but, if dotard is still alive, he'll run.

He won't participate in the Rep primaries or debates but he'll have a few rallies and grift like a motherfucker.

Then, when the Rep Convention comes around, the GQP will have some kind of "grass roots" vote that nominates him for POTUS: rules will be ignored or rewritten .  He'll accept, do nothing but hold rallies in swing states and have a 50% chance of regaining the presidency.  

JFC, this stupid orange cunt needs to die already. 

[WhatTheBuck 28,762]

1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I can't recall who first stated this but, if dotard is still alive, he'll run.

Hello! I don’t know if I was the first who said it, but if anyone said it before I did then I missed it.

Of course he’ll run and the ground is being set for him to win whether he has the votes or not. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Donald Trump is the most corruptible person in the world and is surrounded by lawyers who will defend him as being completely above the law as long as he is President. If he is alive and not in jail, he will run. 

[Guest Lobo]

This does beg a question that should be easily dismissed as lunacy.  But here we are...

If Trump were to die on natural causes between now and November of 2024...how many of his followers would refuse to believe he was really dead?  I think Qanon and MAQA nation would invent clues that suggest he was still alive and in hiding and waiting to pounce on the global cabal after they drop their guard.  The body show lying in state would be a fake.  They'd either not vote for whoever the GOP nominated or they'd write Trump's name in.  I'm willing to bet about 10-15mm would think like this.  

 

[Walden Ponderer 12,639]

1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I can't recall who first stated this but, if dotard is still alive, he'll run.

I'm the one who added the "if he's still alive" caveat, because I don't believe he will be.

Just now, Lobo said:

This does beg a question that should be easily dismissed as lunacy.  But here we are...

If Trump were to die on natural causes between now and November of 2024...how many of his followers would refuse to believe he was really dead?  I think Qanon and MAQA nation would invent clues that suggest he was still alive and in hiding and waiting to pounce on the global cabal after they drop their guard.  The body show lying in state would be a fake.  They'd either not vote for whoever the GOP nominated or they'd write Trump's name in.  I'm willing to bet about 10-15mm would think like this.  

Interesting question. His support will fizzle to irrelevant in national election terms if he's dead, but what that will look like will be something unusual, simply because his cult is so bat-shit, bug-fucking insane. 10-15 million people worshipping the wax icon sounds about right.

[RDCanecutter 26,368]

11 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

He and his neighbors don't want the wretched scum near them. The Mar-a-Lago crew just wants the wretched scum to continue supporting policies that benefit the ultra-wealthy.

A few sneak in from time to time - which is why they serve the hamburger steak with chopped parsley.

Fools them every time and it is "The most tenderest steak in the World!!!"  

I'd eat that in a heartbeat and ignore Trump the whole time.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,049]

1 minute ago, RDCanecutter said:

I'd eat that in a heartbeat and ignore Trump the whole time.

I've never been there, but I'd imagine ignoring Trump is easy.

However the noise from all the crying retired generals and other anonymous people coming up to thank him might give one indigestion.

[RDCanecutter 26,368]

Just now, Mrs Whiggins said:

I've never been there, but I'd imagine ignoring Trump is easy.

However the noise from all the crying retired generals and other anonymous people coming up to thank him might give one indigestion.

If they're hanging around, you just leave a dollar next to the plate for whichever one has to bus the table.

[Brandywine 1,315]

9 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

I think he runs because he hates losing and being seen as a loser. This is a guy who cheated in a meaningless online poll of top business people. 

Even if he wins he’s still a loser. 

[Js1 85,197]

10 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

Are you saying that you don't think he runs in 24?  

I think he'd make more money by running again. And while he's lazy when it comes to actual work, that doesn't apply to rallies, which he loves doing more than anything in the world. 

I think he runs because he hates losing and being seen as a loser. This is a guy who cheated in a meaningless online poll of top business people. 

Cheating at an online poll? God damn these people are such fucking aggys it’s embarrassing 

[Js1 85,197]

Also major props to the newly discovered pro-choice* GQP

*but not abortion 

[Walden Ponderer 12,639]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Cheating at an online poll? God damn these people are such fucking aggys it’s embarrassing 

I was in 8th grade in 1980, and supported Ronald Reagan for president. I also planned on going to Texas A&M, just like my big brother.

Two things irrevocably changed my mind:  1) I joined speech and debate, and had to learn enough about economics to reasonably argue all sides of a question, and 2) I visited College Station and got to witness aggy culture first hand. The first taught me the meaning of "real interest rates" which Reagan lied through his teeth about (though to be fair, Liberal politicians are guilty of the same sort of chicanery, they are just, from my observation, less in need of doing so owing to not being wrong on the facts so fucking much), and the second taught me that any group touting as its primary draw "tradition" is probably off their rockers and rife with teh stoopid.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,049]

Liz is going to need stamina to keep this on blast through the summer and onward into next year.

 

[DigglerontheHoof 21,137]

5 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Liz is going to need stamina to keep this on blast through the summer and onward into next year.

 

She has almost 2 years before she loses her reelection bid.  Now that she's unencumbered by her Rep leadership role, she could be a major pain in the GQP's ass in the coming months.  

I have no idea if she'll be able to accomplish anything but I'm pulling for her, nonetheless. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,484]

2024 will tear the GOP apart even more, especially if Trump runs. There is no way that Hawley and Cruz would sit on the sidelines so they would have to engage Trump and call him wrong for America.

[Francisco 2.0 32,379]

2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

2024 will tear the GOP apart even more, especially if Trump runs. There is no way that Hawley and Cruz would sit on the sidelines so they would have to engage Trump and call him wrong for America.

I want to believe.

Either of them could win the nomination, then prior to the convention when the rules are changed and Trump is anointed, either of them would suck his cock in order to be his VP. 

 

[DigglerontheHoof 21,137]

6 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

2024 will tear the GOP apart even more, especially if Trump runs. There is no way that Hawley and Cruz would sit on the sidelines so they would have to engage Trump and call him wrong for America.

In that scenario, Hawley and Cruz get steamrolled.  

[Pato del Muerto 52,452]

4 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

2024 will tear the GOP apart even more, especially if Trump runs. There is no way that Hawley and Cruz would sit on the sidelines so they would have to engage Trump and call him wrong for America.

Makes me wonder if a deal was struck to be loyal to him and keep him clean from charges in exchange for him not running. 
 

First question is are they dumb enough to believe he’d honor the deal? Yes they are. 

second question is will he double-cross them and run again- tbd. But double-cross is his M.O.  I’m sure he thinks he can enter the race at any time and have them all bend the knee, and he would choose the most humiliating time on purpose as a vulgar display of power.  Like after the nominee is selected but before the convention.

that would be fun, except for being so volatile for the country  

 

[Walden Ponderer 12,639]

9 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

In that scenario, Hawley and Cruz get steamrolled.  

Open question whether Hawley is smart enough to know this. Cruz, however, has been a cynical weathervane for long enough to know this. I doubt he even puts his toe in the water until he knows whether Trump is running or not.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,049]

Pompeo and DeSantis are going to outmaneuver both of those two. Pompeo is fairly unlikable, but RW chatter is pretty high on the Florida governor. I'm leaning to Ivanka moving to run for his vacancy.

[Hornius Emeritus 12,447]

3 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I appreciate Rex Chapman’s Twitter, but isn’t that a weird message for a local state politician to tag him in?

No. 1) Chapman has been running a consistently anti-Maga message 2) he's got a ton of followers. If you @him and he retweets you, you generally pick up quite a few followers yourself.  In this strange world, he's an influencer.

[atomheartbevo 89,579]

28 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

2024 will tear the GOP apart even more, especially if Trump runs. There is no way that Hawley and Cruz would sit on the sidelines so they would have to engage Trump and call him wrong for America.

17 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Makes me wonder if a deal was struck to be loyal to him and keep him clean from charges in exchange for him not running. 

First question is are they dumb enough to believe he’d honor the deal? Yes they are. 

second question is will he double-cross them and run again- tbd. But double-cross is his M.O.  I’m sure he thinks he can enter the race at any time and have them all bend the knee, and he would choose the most humiliating time on purpose as a vulgar display of power.  Like after the nominee is selected but before the convention.

that would be fun, except for being so volatile for the country  

Everything with Trump, outside of his family, is transactional - every person, group, or business is judged by Trump as to whether or not they will help him in some way.

Lest we forget, the GOP utterly failed Trump.

The GOP just flat out fucking failed Trump.

Republican judges across the nation, including many he appointed, wouldn't help him toss the election.

Republican governors across the nation wouldn't help him toss the election.

Republican officials in other statewide positions across the nation wouldn't help him toss the election.

Republican legislatures across the nation wouldn't help him toss the election.

Republican-led Department of Justice wouldn't help him toss the election.

Republican-led Department of Defense wouldn't interfere with the election, and publicly stated so.

Republican states flipped and gave Biden their electoral votes.

Republican-led Department of Justice, under multiple Republican AGs, had ongoing investigations into Trump.

He has no reason to love the GOP. He's discovered he can siphon money away from the GOP through his PACs, without having to work for it.  If he can get somebody nominated/elected that will protect him (pardons, DOJ stuff), then I think he will happily stay away from running, and will continue trying to strip the GOP financially.

 

Edited May 13, 2021 by atomheartbevo

[Underdog 28,534]

12 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

He and his neighbors don't want the wretched scum near them. The Mar-a-Lago crew just wants the wretched scum to continue supporting policies that benefit the ultra-wealthy.

A few sneak in from time to time - which is why they serve the hamburger steak with chopped parsley.

Fools them every time and it is "The most tenderest steak in the World!!!"  

Not gonna lie, I’d smash that. 

[Dr. Teeth 5,843]

2 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Not gonna lie, I’d smash that. 

Like smash so you couldn't even attempt to eat it?

[Mrs Whiggins 13,049]

8 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Everything with Trump, outside of his family, is transactional - every person, group, or business is judged by Trump as to whether or not they will help him in some way.

Lest we forget, the GOP utterly failed Trump.

The GOP just flat out fucking failed Trump.

Republican judges across the nation wouldn't help him toss the election.

Republican governors across the nation wouldn't help him toss the election.

Republican officials in other statewide positions across the nation wouldn't help him toss the election.

Republican legislatures across the nation wouldn't help him toss the election.

Republican-led Department of Justice wouldn't help him toss the election.

Republican-led Department of Defense wouldn't interfere with the election, and publicly stated so.

Republican states flipped and gave Biden their electoral votes.

Republican-led Department of Justice, under multiple Republican AGs, opened investigations into Trump.

He has no reason to love the GOP. He's discovered he can siphon money away from the GOP through his PACs, without having to work for it.  If he can get somebody nominated/elected that will protect him (pardons, DOJ stuff), then I think he will happily stay away from running, and will continue trying to strip the GOP financially.

 

I don't always agree with your takes, but thanks for the transactional reminder--that's a good list there and a good point. Trump lamented (I heard he did at least in a 'some people said' kind of way) that no one was as loyal as Roy Cohn any more; the same Roy Cohn that Trump abandoned so if Trump feels in any way slighted or even if he isn't, his psyche will manufacture a slight to feed his ego and yeah, any deal will be off and he'll do whatever is best for Trump. Not that he wouldn't ever do what was best for him. That's him in a nutshell.

Not having any experiences with a narcissistic parent, however, how does that work exactly with his children? Does he think of a 'legacy' at all or benefits to them or is that something that people like that never consider? I'm not a fan of the family dynasty, not in politics or any avenue quite frankly. At least not a forced one, but his children have such an odd relationship with each other and their various parents.

Edited May 13, 2021 by Mrs Whiggins

[Walden Ponderer 12,639]

6 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Not having any experiences with a narcissistic parent, however, how does that work exactly with his children? Does he think of a 'legacy' at all or benefits to them or is that something that people like that never consider? I'm not a fan of the family dynasty, not in politics or any avenue quite frankly. At least not a forced one, but his children have such an odd relationship with each other and their various parents.

My wife's parents are both narcissists, with violent anti-social tendencies. (Guess who they voted for?)

Anyway... I can answer anecdotally: narcissists will dangle legacy-oriented carrots in front of whichever of their children are the most subservient and fawning. There will always be a "golden child" but even that person is subject to the mercurial moods of the narcissist, and is liable to be punished for any moves they make to individuate themselves. It is all about the legacy of the narcissist, and anything that does not feed that must be crushed.

[tokamak 6,374]

Let's slow down before we anoint Liz Cheney as some kind of hero. She's still going to vote with Kevin McCarthy, the man who just publicly humiliated her and helped Trump end her political career, like >90% of the time for the next two years.

And herein lies the problem. The traditional left/right divide in American politics is utterly meaningless right now. The only distinction that matters anymore is Trumpist versus anti-Trumpist. Why does a cretin like Erdogan keep winning, even though a majority of Turks know he's a cretin? It's because the opposition is divided, weak, and unable to stop infighting. This pattern repeats itself again and again in both history and current events. Any political issue that Liz Cheney thinks she holds dear - abortion, gun rights, tax rates, regulation, you name it - is nothing but noise unless and until we completely scrub our country of the large antidemocratic plurality that currently exists. The only way for Liz Cheney to make any real change - the ONLY way - is for her to come out and say, "fuck you Trump, fuck you Kevin McCarthy, fuck you GQP, I'm riding with Pelosi from now on".

A lot of people on the left fucking love reading impassioned op-eds from the likes of Jeff Flake and Liz Cheney, or 100 former-Republican nobodies threatening to make a 3rd party. The mainstream media, too. They looooooooove that shit. I think because it gives them hope. But that's all wrong. Those people are actively making shit worse. Either anti-Trump voices coalesce into one solid faction together, or they're not anti-Trump voices at all.

[cactusflinthead 27,597]

4 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I appreciate Rex Chapman’s Twitter, but isn’t that a weird message for a local state politician to tag him in?

Reaching his audience

28 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

No. 1) Chapman has been running a consistently anti-Maga message 2) he's got a ton of followers. If you @him and he retweets you, you generally pick up quite a few followers yourself.  In this strange world, he's an influencer.

Este

[atomheartbevo 89,579]

5 minutes ago, tokamak said:

A lot of people on the left fucking love reading impassioned op-eds from the likes of Jeff Flake and Liz Cheney, or 100 former-Republican nobodies threatening to make a 3rd party. The mainstream media, too. They looooooooove that shit. I think because it gives them hope. But that's all wrong. Those people are actively making shit worse. Either anti-Trump voices coalesce into one solid faction together, or they're not anti-Trump voices at all.

Agree with a lot of what you said, but I'd point out that the GOP lost the House, Senate, and White House in just two years under Trump

Thanks to Trump, the anti-Trump faction doesn't have to pull double-digit percentages away from the GOP to make a serious impact. 

[Walden Ponderer 12,639]

6 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Why does a cretin like Erdogan keep winning, even though a majority of Turks know he's a cretin? It's because the opposition is divided, weak, and unable to stop infighting.

Actually, no. Erdogan, unlike Trump, services his underlings and pays his bills. Yes, he's a cretin, but he's very much like a mafia don who knows how to keep his people happy. If Trump were 10% as competent as Erdogan, this country would be fucked forever, because he would have been able to finagle an election "win" from loyal underlings.

[Asithappens 974]

2 hours ago, Lobo said:

This does beg a question that should be easily dismissed as lunacy.  But here we are...

If Trump were to die on natural causes between now and November of 2024...how many of his followers would refuse to believe he was really dead?  I think Qanon and MAQA nation would invent clues that suggest he was still alive and in hiding and waiting to pounce on the global cabal after they drop their guard.  The body show lying in state would be a fake.  They'd either not vote for whoever the GOP nominated or they'd write Trump's name in.  I'm willing to bet about 10-15mm would think like this.  

 

Lol, great point. 

I'd say that of those who would accept his demise, a lot of them would believe in a resurrection. 

And y'all thought the second coming was about Jesus. 

[atomheartbevo 89,579]

30 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I don't always agree with your takes, but thanks for the transactional reminder--that's a good list there and a good point. Trump lamented (I heard he did at least in a 'some people said' kind of way) that no one was as loyal as Roy Cohn any more; the same Roy Cohn that Trump abandoned so if Trump feels in any way slighted or even if he isn't, his psyche will manufacture a slight to feed his ego and yeah, any deal will be off and he'll do whatever is best for Trump. Not that he wouldn't ever do what was best for him. That's him in a nutshell.

We know Trump felt slighted by Republicans - he constantly told us on twitter about all of the Republicans that screwed him over.  We heard the phone call with the Georgia SOS. We saw his comments/tweets about Georgia's Governor and other state officials, and about Bob Barr and Jeff Sessions, and about all of the Republican judges that let him down, and about the Supreme Court screwing him over. He bitched about the DOD a few times.  

He has no loyalty to them at all.  Hell, he doesn't have much loyalty to anybody outside of his family - look at people like Rudy that have been left swinging in the breeze by him. He should have at least helped Rudy financially, since Rudy basically screwed himself over defending Trump, and Rudy has plenty of juicy info that Trump would probably not want released.

I think that's why McCarthy and the others are so quick to pivot against anybody that Trump sees as an enemy. It's got to keep Republican leadership up at night, the thought that on a whim Trump could peel off a sizable chunk of the GOP for a MAGA party. Republicans have to try and keep Trump 100% happy.

I think you will see a lot of Republicans being primaried next year by Trumpers.  Trump has his enemies list.

 

Edited May 13, 2021 by atomheartbevo

[wildcat09 29,323]

27 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Let's slow down before we anoint Liz Cheney as some kind of hero. She's still going to vote with Kevin McCarthy, the man who just publicly humiliated her and helped Trump end her political career, like >90% of the time for the next two years.

And herein lies the problem. The traditional left/right divide in American politics is utterly meaningless right now. The only distinction that matters anymore is Trumpist versus anti-Trumpist. Why does a cretin like Erdogan keep winning, even though a majority of Turks know he's a cretin? It's because the opposition is divided, weak, and unable to stop infighting. This pattern repeats itself again and again in both history and current events. Any political issue that Liz Cheney thinks she holds dear - abortion, gun rights, tax rates, regulation, you name it - is nothing but noise unless and until we completely scrub our country of the large antidemocratic plurality that currently exists. The only way for Liz Cheney to make any real change - the ONLY way - is for her to come out and say, "fuck you Trump, fuck you Kevin McCarthy, fuck you GQP, I'm riding with Pelosi from now on".

A lot of people on the left fucking love reading impassioned op-eds from the likes of Jeff Flake and Liz Cheney, or 100 former-Republican nobodies threatening to make a 3rd party. The mainstream media, too. They looooooooove that shit. I think because it gives them hope. But that's all wrong. Those people are actively making shit worse. Either anti-Trump voices coalesce into one solid faction together, or they're not anti-Trump voices at all.

A certain segment of the center-left loves the idea of a reasonable right with which bipartisan debate and compromise is possible, because they've elevated process over everything else in their minds and think the best policy is whatever the center-left and center-right can compromise on. 

[GW Hayduke 1,953]

20 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Let's slow down before we anoint Liz Cheney as some kind of hero. She's still going to vote with Kevin McCarthy, the man who just publicly humiliated her and helped Trump end her political career, like >90% of the time for the next two years.

And herein lies the problem. The traditional left/right divide in American politics is utterly meaningless right now. The only distinction that matters anymore is Trumpist versus anti-Trumpist. Why does a cretin like Erdogan keep winning, even though a majority of Turks know he's a cretin? It's because the opposition is divided, weak, and unable to stop infighting. This pattern repeats itself again and again in both history and current events. Any political issue that Liz Cheney thinks she holds dear - abortion, gun rights, tax rates, regulation, you name it - is nothing but noise unless and until we completely scrub our country of the large antidemocratic plurality that currently exists. The only way for Liz Cheney to make any real change - the ONLY way - is for her to come out and say, "fuck you Trump, fuck you Kevin McCarthy, fuck you GQP, I'm riding with Pelosi from now on".

A lot of people on the left fucking love reading impassioned op-eds from the likes of Jeff Flake and Liz Cheney, or 100 former-Republican nobodies threatening to make a 3rd party. The mainstream media, too. They looooooooove that shit. I think because it gives them hope. But that's all wrong. Those people are actively making shit worse. Either anti-Trump voices coalesce into one solid faction together, or they're not anti-Trump voices at all.

Who cares how Cheney votes on policy?  She is a conservative. She votes for conservative policies.  No one with functional cerebrum expects her to ride with Pelosi on policies.  She isn't going to vote to raise taxes on the rich.  She is a conservative.  That isn't the issue.  

She voted to remove Trump after the second impeachment.  She was in a leadership role at the time. It was a big deal.  It is a big deal.

She is currently standing up to the majority of her party.  She is standing up for the constitution, rule of law, truth, and our democracy.  She is facing consequences for that.  We need more like Liz Cheney.  

[Walden Ponderer 12,639]

1 minute ago, GW Hayduke said:

We need more like Liz Cheney.  

At the expense of people like AOC? No. But at the expense of people like McCarthy? Fucking yes, all day, every day. I would much rather the people who are voting against ideas I approve of be honest and pro-democracy. The Republican party needs to be more like Cheney and less like the slimy miscreants they currently are. I still won't vote for them, but I would be more at ease about our future if they were simply wrong on policy, and not on... you know... the things this country was founded on.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,562]

49 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Not gonna lie, I’d smash that. 

[GW Hayduke 1,953]

4 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

At the expense of people like AOC? No. But at the expense of people like McCarthy? Fucking yes, all day, every day. I would much rather the people who are voting against ideas I approve of be honest and pro-democracy. The Republican party needs to be more like Cheney and less like the slimy miscreants they currently are. I still won't vote for them, but I would be more at ease about our future if they were simply wrong on policy, and not on... you know... the things this country was founded on.

Exactly. She represents Wyoming. Wyoming is 91% white. Wyoming is +25 republican.  Her voting record aligning with the GOP isn't an issue.  

We are witnessing a battle within the GOP.  Cheney is leading one side of that battle. That side is wanting to rid the party of Trump.  That side will likely get slaughtered in the 2022 primaries.  I hope not.  We need less trumpists in elected office.  

[Js1 85,197]

54 minutes ago, tokamak said:

A lot of people on the left fucking love reading impassioned op-eds from the likes of Jeff Flake and Liz Cheney, or 100 former-Republican nobodies threatening to make a 3rd party. 

People reads op-eds? 

[SydneyCarton 47,972]

13 minutes ago, Js1 said:

People reads op-eds? 

Yeah. Extensively. I know this because I have to see morons citing the WSJ Opinion section as if it's fucking factual regularly. Fun fact, WSJ Opinion actually has it's own fucking FB page, separate from the WSJ. 

[Biff Tannen 45,639]

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

vulgar display of power

[Js1 85,197]

Just now, SydneyCarton said:

Yeah. Extensively. I know this because I have to see morons citing the WSJ Opinion section as if it's fucking factual regularly. Fun fact, WSJ Opinion actually has it's own fucking FB page, separate from the WSJ. 

Sorry, that should be "non-conservatives read Op-Eds from politicians?"

We know the morons read the WSJ Opinion section - remember, Icono was LIVID they turned off the comments section. 

[Sawbonz 27,503]

13 hours ago, horn4life said:

I will come back to this thread periodically to state one fact.  It took Hitler two tries to take over Germany. The second time he had the brownshirts, not unlike the group he inspired to storm the Capitol.  It's impossible not to notice the racist tendencies of Trumps most fervent supporters.

History often does repeat itself.  Let us hope that more and more citizens rather than fewer and fewer citizens vote.  If not, I can see no logical argument to believe the GOP would not allow for a 3rd, 4th or even 5th Trump term.

In the Weimar Republic active duty military was under 200k. By 1933 there were 3M members of the brownshirts  

The pentagon is unlikely to allow the constitution to be flouted. The worry is if the generals have to come in to enforce election results they may decide we are better off with them running things

[wildcat09 29,323]

2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

In the Weimar Republic active duty military was under 200k. By 1933 there were 3M members of the brownshirts  

The pentagon is unlikely to allow the constitution to be flouted. The worry is if the generals have to come in to enforce election results they may decide we are better off with them running things

Most generals' ideas of what the Constitution says and your idea of what the Constitution says are likely very different.

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3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Most generals' ideas of what the Constitution says and your idea of what the Constitution says are likely very different.

Really? Give some examples as pertains to transfer of executive power

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I'm pretty sure that the generals will all sit back and say "Yeah, we're not getting involved."