The GQP: Trumpist Death Cult

[BrickHorn 18426]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

Agree, but that doesn't mean we aren't being set up for Civil War 2.0

The surest way to end up in a civil war is to fall into the Us vs. Them trap.  We unfortunately have to be the bigger person and remain open to working with the other side.  Giving voters a positive, rational choice is the only way.  

Maybe it’s too late, but I see no benefit to rushing into a civil war by adopting a hardline mentality.  Oppose destructive GOP policies while welcoming Republicans to work with you on positive efforts.  That’s what politicians did when our government was actually working.  

[F250 29177]

4 hours ago, Js1 said:

 

Reads the line about blaming transgenders and then looks at the profile picture.

[Bozo_Casanova 26773]

3 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

The surest way to end up in a civil war is to fall into the Us vs. Them trap.  We unfortunately have to be the bigger person and remain open to working with the other side.  Giving voters a positive, rational choice is the only way.  

Maybe it’s too late, but I see no benefit to rushing into a civil war by adopting a hardline mentality.  Oppose destructive GOP policies while welcoming Republicans to work with you on positive efforts.  That’s what politicians did when our government was actually working.  

I agree with this. I continue to believe that a healthy, functioning, ideologically diverse GOP (and Democratic party) is an essential institution in the stable and peaceful function of our democracy. I just don't know if it's fixable at this point. 

[RomaVicta 30501]

Call the GOP what it is and let the chips fall where they may. This white nationalist, profoundly corrupt criminal organization is not established in the Constitution as the forever voice of political conservatives.

Keep firing torpedoes into this shit barge until it sinks beneath the waves.

Let refugee Republicans start something new. Who in this lifetime wants to claim the same label as Donald Trump? Find something new and fresh.

The GOP needs to be dead. The deplorables need to be isolated and, if possible marginalized. Problem is, there's so damned many of them.

[Hank Kingsley 21598]

11 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I agree with this. I continue to believe that a healthy, functioning, ideologically diverse GOP (and Democratic party) is an essential institution in the stable and peaceful function of our democracy. I just don't know if it's fixable at this point. 

The only fix is a crushing defeat in 2020.  The GOP needs a full reset. 

 

[lemonlime 5503]

25 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

The surest way to end up in a civil war is to fall into the Us vs. Them trap.  We unfortunately have to be the bigger person and remain open to working with the other side.  Giving voters a positive, rational choice is the only way.  

Maybe it’s too late, but I see no benefit to rushing into a civil war by adopting a hardline mentality.  Oppose destructive GOP policies while welcoming Republicans to work with you on positive efforts.  That’s what politicians did when our government was actually working.  

I agree about giving voters a positive, rational choice.  But working with the other side when the other side is dealing with an entire alternate reality is pointless.  One side on immigration--demagoguing brown immigrants (infestation, joke about shooting them, etc.), enact Muslim ban, separate families, put children in camps, lying about the facts, blowing up the last compromise because of Stephen Miller.  There's no working with people who do those things.  Their idiocracy shouldn't be taken seriously or negotiated with.

Or take healthcare.  GOP lying about protecting preexisting conditions while suing to invalidate Obamacare with no alternative.  What's the discussion to be had?  Offer your sane alternative.  But don't negotiate or give credence to the liars.

[Biff Tannen 46061]

4 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

I agree about giving voters a positive, rational choice.  But working with the other side when the other side is dealing with an entire alternate reality is pointless.  One side on immigration--demagoguing brown immigrants (infestation, joke about shooting them, etc.), enact Muslim ban, separate families, put children in camps, lying about the facts, blowing up the last compromise because of Stephen Miller.  There's no working with people who do those things.  Their idiocracy shouldn't be taken seriously or negotiated with.

Or take healthcare.  GOP lying about protecting preexisting conditions while suing to invalidate Obamacare with no alternative.  What's the discussion to be had?  Offer your sane alternative.  But don't negotiate or give credence to the liars.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

3 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

I agree about giving voters a positive, rational choice.  But working with the other side when the other side is dealing with an entire alternate reality is pointless.  One side on immigration--demagoguing brown immigrants (infestation, joke about shooting them, etc.), enact Muslim ban, separate families, put children in camps, lying about the facts, blowing up the last compromise because of Stephen Miller.  There's no working with people who do those things.  Their idiocracy shouldn't be taken seriously or negotiated with.

Or take healthcare.  GOP lying about protecting preexisting conditions while suing to invalidate Obamacare with no alternative.  What's the discussion to be had?  Offer your sane alternative.  But don't negotiate or give credence to the liars.

Agree 100%.   Democrats need to abandon the long-held narrative that reasonable means bipartisan compromise.   Compromise where you must to get law enacted, but ram through whatever you can and be proud of it. 

[Post Oak 20551]

1 hour ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Oh, man ... just saw this photo of this horse cow.  A couple of observations.

1) Wearing the crosses for earrings really gives her appearance a nice, homey touch

2) How is it possible to have cankles around your wrist?



 

Her skin is trying to run away from her face

[hpslugga 4096]

2 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Agree 100%.   Democrats need to abandon the long-held narrative that reasonable means bipartisan compromise.   Compromise where you must to get law enacted, but ram through whatever you can and be proud of it. 

It's not that they want to offer compromise; it's that they are compromised.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20835]

[RomaVicta 30501]

2 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

It's not that they want to offer compromise; it's that they are compromised.

True. Don't leave out timid and weak. It's rare that I get a proud feeling voting Dem. I hope Warren (with Beto) change that for me.

[Brisketexan 106629]

I agree with this. I continue to believe that a healthy, functioning, ideologically diverse GOP (and Democratic party) is an essential institution in the stable and peaceful function of our democracy. I just don't know if it's fixable at this point. 

It’s not.
By all means, keep trying. But don’t expect to succeed.

[Bozo_Casanova 26773]

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The only fix is a crushing defeat in 2020.  The GOP needs a full reset. 

 

agree with this too

[Bozo_Casanova 26773]

great twitter thread, I like this guy

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26773]

Honestly, if there were more room for people like this guy, I would probably start voting Republican like I had planned to,  and @Brisketexan would probably still be a Republican. 

read the thread:

 

[Biff Tannen 46061]

Yay?  Does anyone think that's going to change a damn thing about the GOP?  Is he leaving the party?

[Goredho 17627]

I was ignorant of some of this, so I found it an interesting read.  I'm guessing that if Madison Grant were alive today, he'd be very high up in the GOP and/or Trump's cabinet.  Its a long article, only posting a portion here as a quote below.  Rest can be read at the link below:
 

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Warnings from conservative pundits on Fox News about the existential threat facing a country overrun by immigrants meet with a similar response. “Massive demographic changes,” Laura Ingraham has proclaimed, mean that “the America we know and love doesn’t exist anymore” in much of the country: Surely this kind of rhetoric reflects mere ignorance. Or it’s just a symptom of partisan anxiety about what those changes may portend for Republicans’ electoral prospects. As for the views and utterances of someone like Congressman Steve King (“We can’t restore our civilization with somebody else’s babies”), such sentiments are treated as outlandish extremism, best ignored as much as possible.

The concept of “white genocide”—extinction under an onslaught of genetically or culturally inferior nonwhite interlopers—may indeed seem like a fringe conspiracy theory with an alien lineage, the province of neo-Nazis and their fellow travelers. In popular memory, it’s a vestige of a racist ideology that the Greatest Generation did its best to scour from the Earth. History, though, tells a different story. King’s recent question, posed in a New York Times interview, may be appalling: “White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization—how did that language become offensive?” But it is apt. “That language” has an American past in need of excavation. Without such an effort, we may fail to appreciate the tenacity of the dogma it expresses, and the difficulty of eradicating it. The president’s rhetoric about “shithole countries” and “invasion” by immigrants invites dismissal as crude talk, but behind it lie ideas whose power should not be underestimated.

The seed of Nazism’s ultimate objective—the preservation of a pure white race, uncontaminated by foreign blood—was in fact sown with striking success in the United States. What is judged extremist today was once the consensus of a powerful cadre of the American elite, well-connected men who eagerly seized on a false doctrine of “race suicide” during the immigration scare of the early 20th century. They included wealthy patricians, intellectuals, lawmakers, even several presidents. Perhaps the most important among them was a blue blood with a very impressive mustache, Madison Grant. He was the author of a 1916 book called The Passing of the Great Race, which spread the doctrine of race purity all over the globe.

Grant’s purportedly scientific argument that the exalted “Nordic” race that had founded America was in peril, and all of modern society’s accomplishments along with it, helped catalyze nativist legislators in Congress to pass comprehensive restrictionist immigration policies in the early 1920s. His book went on to become Adolf Hitler’s “bible,” as the führer wrote to tell him. Grant’s doctrine has since been rejuvenated and rebranded by his ideological descendants as “white genocide” (the term genocide hadn’t yet been coined in Grant’s day). In an introduction to the 2013 edition of another of Grant’s works, the white nationalist Richard Spencer warns that “one possible outcome of the ongoing demographic transformation is a thoroughly miscegenated, and thus homogeneous and ‘assimilated,’ nation, which would have little resemblance to the White America that came before it.” This language is vintage Grant.

Most Americans, however, quickly forgot who Grant was—but not because the country had grappled with his vision’s dangerous appeal and implications. Reflexive recoil was more like it: When Nazism reflected back that vision in grotesque form, wartime denial set in. Jonathan Peter Spiro, a historian and the author of Defending the Master Race: Conservation, Eugenics, and the Legacy of Madison Grant (2009), described the backlash to me this way: “Even though the Germans had been directly influenced by Madison Grant and the American eugenics movement, when we fought Germany, because Germany was racist, racism became unacceptable in America. Our enemy was racist; therefore we adopted antiracism as our creed.” Ever since, a strange kind of historical amnesia has obscured the American lineage of this white-nationalist ideology.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/adam-serwer-madison-grant-white-nationalism/583258/

Edited August 5, 2019 by Goredho

[Aqua Buddha 14782]

I like how they lump everyone into the "white" bucket.  That would have sure as shit been a surprise to the Irish Catholics in the 1800's.

[troph 25094]

Reads the line about blaming transgenders and then looks at the profile picture.

First off, I’m super offended. Some of us actually look pretty damn attractive. And second, I’ll stack up my family - my partner, me and my three boys up against anything that wench has for a family across any metric of family values that doesn’t have gay or trans as a de facto evil.

I’m so sick and tired of these assholes acting like the only wholesome people on the planet are hypocritical racist homophobic blonde hair blue eyed version of Jesus praising assholes.

[troph 25094]

Tapa dp

[Post Oak 20551]

1 hour ago, troph said:

 

 

First off, I’m super offended. Some of us actually look pretty damn attractive. And second, I’ll stack up my family - my partner, me and my three boys up against anything that wench has for a family across any metric of family values that doesn’t have gay or trans as a de facto evil.

I’m so sick and tired of these assholes acting like the only wholesome people on the planet are hypocritical racist homophobic blonde hair blue eyed version of Jesus praising assholes.
 

 

 

 

[Jack Straw 2955]

8 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

 I continue to believe that a healthy, functioning, ideologically diverse GOP (and Democratic party) is an essential institution in the stable and peaceful function of our democracy.

That sounds nice, and kind of naive, no offense.   In my line of work, I often have to help my clients come to the realization that they are chasing something that’s already gone (their marriage), and that it’s in their best interest to let it go, as difficult and painful as that may be, and as much as they may want that back.  And that’s what one is doing when they are hoping for a return of a healthy GOP that offers any positive value to American society - chasing something that’s already gone.  It’s a cancer and needs to be eliminated.  There may be some completely new party that can emerge to act as a balance and check against the Democrats, I don’t know.  But I don’t think it’s genesis will lie in today’s Republican Party.  It doesn’t have a faction that needs to be redirected, or fixed, or brought back into the fold - it is rotten to the core, top to bottom.   

[Bozo_Casanova 26773]

Fair enough, but the last time an American politics party collapsed we had a civil war. Institutions are important.

[SimonBolivar 11035]

2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Fair enough, but the last time an American politics party collapsed we had a civil war. Institutions are important.

Yeah but the Civil War didn't happen because the Whigs collapsed, but rather the Whigs collapsed because the war was inevitable. I don't think any major conflict is inevitable. 

[Francisco 2.0 32544]

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/05/mcconnell-mcgrath-tombstone-tweet-1448627

 

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s campaign tweeted out a photo of satirical tombstones over the weekend, including one featuring an election opponent’s name, hours after the mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, that claimed the lives of 22 people.

The tombstones named Amy McGrath, his main Democratic opponent in the 2020 Senate race for Kentucky, as well as Judge Merrick Garland, whose nomination to the Supreme Court he blocked during the last year of Barack Obama’s presidency.

 

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The grave markers also identified concepts the senator has decried, such as socialism and the Green New Deal. The campaign’s tweet labeled McConnell the “Grim Reaper of Socialism” and shows the tombstones at the Fancy Farm picnic, a local Kentucky Catholic fundraising event.

 

 

 

[Post Oak 20551]

I want to punch him in the face

[Pancho 46055]

Nope they haven’t learned a damn thing

 

[retread 2951]

Trump is the perfect manifestation of the black, diseased heart of the R party. There is no conviction in his words, and they're just said to kill time.

His word is not his bond. Any promises that he keeps are only those that serve his needs or inflict pain on the lesser humans in this world.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20835]

5 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Nope they haven’t learned a damn thing

 

Translation: "he's been indicating for years that he has nothing in common with Republican voters but we didn't say anything until he criticized the party's indifference to white supremacy."

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

50 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Fair enough, but the last time an American politics party collapsed we had a civil war. Institutions are important.

Are we pretending the GOP doesn’t want a civil war?  Because they have been moving that needle pretty deliberately with the whole “fuck America agenda”  

[Francisco 2.0 32544]

One can hope.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-06/republicans-fear-extinction-in-the-suburbs-over-gun-control

 

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After two gruesome mass shootings in a 24-hour span, some Republicans are raising alarms that their opposition to new firearm limits is making the party toxic to the suburban women and college graduates who will shape the 2020 election.

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“Republicans are headed for extinction in the suburbs if they don’t distance themselves from the NRA. The GOP needs to put forth solutions to help eradicate the gun violence epidemic,” said Dan Eberhart, a Republican donor and oil-and-gas executive who supports President Donald Trump.

 

 

[Pam Cummings 9825]

13 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I like how they lump everyone into the "white" bucket.  That would have sure as shit been a surprise to the Irish Catholics in the 1800's.

It's the worst part about these poor white Trump supporting morons. They think that somehow Trump and Co. won't turn on them and toss them aside like a used piece of garbage once their use is up.

[Chad Fuck 18092]

It's the worst part about these poor white Trump supporting morons. They think that somehow Trump and Co. won't turn on them and toss them aside like a used piece of garbage once their use is up.

Somewhere I heard this poem about a snake once.

Or maybe that was a scorpion and a frog.

Either way, it was some vile creature.

[Biff Tannen 46061]

3 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

One can hope.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-06/republicans-fear-extinction-in-the-suburbs-over-gun-control

 

 

 

Hope is a dangerous thing.

[Js1 86945]

4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Hope is a dangerous thing.

This isn't wrong.

A black woman running on gun control flipped a historically Republican seat in the Atlanta suburbs just last year. 

This issue absolutely speaks to college-educated suburban woman - i.e., Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Charlotte, Raleigh, Phoenix.  

[Bozo_Casanova 26773]

11 hours ago, Pancho said:

Nope they haven’t learned a damn thing

 

Democrats should embrace him. Him, and Jeff Flake, and Bob Corker too. 

[Mdhorn 6153]

12 hours ago, Pancho said:

Nope they haven’t learned a damn thing

 

For the upteenth time, shows there's no reasoning with them.

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[horn4life 3829]

A couple observations- The Republican Party is the ONLY party that can benefit from Russian election meddling.  If you are meddling you are trying to alter the outcome.  There has not been a Republican initially elected President of the United States with more votes than their opponent in nearly 3 decades.  So if you want to change things you try to elect the person that does not reflect the majority's preference.  Meddling to get the more popular candidate elected... requires no meddling.

The Exit of so many incumbents in Texas so early is indicative of the toxicity of Trump's race war on immigration, here in a border state.  The greatest asset the GOP has had of late, is low voter turnout.  The GOP at the state level has worked dilligently to discourage greater voter participation, simply because they know their ideas are not those of the majority.  It was a fantastic short term strategy. It was a key component in electing Donald Trump and especially the governor in Georgia this last election.

What I am becoming convinced of is that while there is voter apathy, there is a little bit less voter apathy of late, and that should scare the shit out of the GOP.  Representatives in Texas see the handwriting on the wall.  They won by single digits in districts carved specifically to give GOP candidates easy wins.  I think you are going to see a lot bigger turnout among younger voters, minorities and a flight from the GOP by more educated whites in the Suburbs.  It's hard to convince the non-racists that the guy at the the top of the ticket that talks like a racist, walks like racist, actually is not a racist.   The never ending cowardice and silence from the GOP related to racism and to gun violence, and particularly racism propelled gun violence, using the same logic as presented by the president is going to be felt in the ballot box.

Voters are always faced with the same dilemma, the lesser of two evils.  The experiment of " how can it be worse than what we have now" in 2016, will not repeat again for a very, very long time (unless Russia actually can change vote counts). While the GOP will most certainly get the "good people" Nazi vote, the uptick in voter turnout I predict in 2020 is going to overwhem the GOP.  The good news for the GOP is that as usual after a Republican Presidency the Democrat will inherit a fucked up economy, and fiscal mess and that may leave an opening in 2022. If the GOP makes a strong pivot and prays for financial ruin for the masses.

 

Edited August 6, 2019 by horn4life

[Aqua Buddha 14782]

39 minutes ago, retread said:

 

 

Heroin is popular, too.  Should we legalize that?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

We should step back and appreciate the master job of Putin to launder money through the NRA to not only compromise our political leaders but also prevent them from passing any kind of meaningful gun control legislation to curb the body count of white supremacist terrorists, a movement that is also infiltrated and funded through dirty Kremlin money.  That's some 3-D chess shit. 

[retread 2951]

^ And also bolstered by the arguments of the 2A hawks that we need maximum saturation of guns in the population to prevent the mass shootings.

[WhatTheBuck 28904]

6 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Heroin is popular, too.  Should we legalize that?

Probably, yes. 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5854]

1 minute ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Probably, yes. 

Yep 

[WhatTheBuck 28904]

Heroin is a bad analogy because the heroin user can only kill himself.

[gmr548 16681]

Trump and his administration aren’t going anywhere.  There is virtually no chance he acknowledges defeat and hands over the reigns - regardless of what happens with the election.  Do people really think that is what is going to happen, that Trump is going to get “voted out” of office and steps aside?   I’d seriously be interested in hearing people’s honest answers to this.  I’d honestly put the chances of that result at less than 2%. 

I absolutely believe he'll whine, cry, kick, and scream if he loses the election. He will provoke violence and embarrass this country. However:

John Roberts’ legacy will not be not administering the oath to a new president. Once that’s done, new president will have his fat ass dragged out of the Oval Office. He’s officially no longer in power. 

Is true. And I have no doubt plenty of Secret Service agents would relish the chance to throw him out into Lafayette Square.



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[Mojo Hand 4580]

Just a reminder that Congress has to certify the election results before John Roberts can administer the new oath.  That means Mitch McConnell controls whether the presidency changes hands unless Dems take the Senate.  While it's hard to fathom, a coordinated claim of "illegal voting for Dems stole the election" could be an excuse not to certify. 

[Brisketexan 106629]

Just now, Mojo Hand said:

Just a reminder that Congress has to certify the election results before John Roberts can administer the new oath.  That means Mitch McConnell controls whether the presidency changes hands unless Dems take the Senate.  While it's hard to fathom, a coordinated claim of "illegal voting for Dems stole the election" could be an excuse not to certify. 

It very well could.

And if the McConnell Senate refuses to certify the election.....the rule of law is dead, and the people can and should resort to other means of re-asserting their authority.  The GOP is playing a dangerous, dangerous game.

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I couldn't remember how that worked. That's a scary thought. I'm sure Turtle's better angels would prevail....