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U.S. Presidents more Extremist than Trump?

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I’m sure there are cases to be made on both the liberal and conservative side.

However, when I start thinking about the Muslim ban, border wall, tariffs, child detention centers, and falling in love with brutal dictators/mafia fascist tyrants, it’s challenging to come up with a more “not normal” president.

And that’s how I define extremist, deviating from the norm. 

So who are the presidents that come close to Trump as far as radicals go?  

liberal or conservative? 

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24 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Jackson is the obvious answer.  I remember articles prior to the 2016 election saying Dotard would be the worst President since Jackson.  They were right.

I've seen some of these, Jackson also was a pretty successful POTUS regardless of his total Dickness.

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There is no comparison to be made between Jackson and Trump. One was probably the most physically courageous man to hold the office, the other is the most cowardly. Not only did Jackson lead men into combat against huge armies of Creek Indians and Seminoles in the primitive Vietnam that was Florida back then, and then also against the world's best-trained army at New Orleans, Jackson killed a man with a pistol at 24 paces after taking a .70 caliber round in his own chest.  And that was because the man insulted his wife. Trump would peddle his own wife's ass on TV if he thought it would make for good ratings. 

Yes, there is a crude analogy to be drawn between Trump's stance on immigrants and the Trail of Tears, and the Trail of Tears is a stain on our history. I truly don't believe that if Jackson had allowed the Cherokee and others to stay in the Southeast, things would have just ended up hunky-dory. Those crackers wanted that land, and they were ready for any excuse to commit genocide, no matter how civilized those tribes were. Later presidents presided over campaigns of brutal genocide and / or ethnic cleansing against the Plains Indians and face little if any of the disdain Jackson gets today for removing the Indians peacefully, if not willingly, to a place where they would be left alone for a couple of generations. 

Jackson was guided by honor. Trump has no principles. Jackson was one of the most self-made of men to sit in the Oval Office. Trump is not. If you accuse Trump of sucking up to and colluding with our historic enemy, he whines about it, praises that country's leader, and changes the subject. If you accused Jackson of sucking up to and colluding with Great Britain, a duel would be your best outcome. He might just think that insult so grievous that it would not be worthy of such formalities. He would just beat you to death with his cane or shoot you in the face on the spot.

Yes he was a slaveholder. Abolitionists were rare when he was president -- being a slaveholder was far from extreme. Yes, he was an expansionist. If you hate that about him, and that same guiding forced that was shared by his proteges Polk and Houston, and you live west of the old Louisiana Purchase, you should probably head east. You are standing on land they obtained for you, fairly or not. If you think it was obtained unfairly, and yet you still live here and degrade the memory of those who made it part of America, you are a hypocrite and an ingrate.  

 

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Trump has his work cut out for him just to match GWB in awfulness.

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Death rates were 5.5/1,000/year pre-invasion, and overall, 13.2/1,000/year for the 40 months post-invasion. We estimate that through July 2006, there have been 654,965 “excess deaths”—fatalities above the pre-invasion death rate— in Iraq as a consequence of the war. Of post-invasion deaths, 601,027 were due to violent causes. Non-violent deaths rose above the pre-invasion level only in 2006. Since March 2003, an additional 2.5% of Iraq’s population have died above what would have occurred without conflict. The proportion of deaths ascribed to coalition forces has diminished in 2006, though the actual numbers have increased each year. Gunfire remains the most common reason for death, though deaths from car bombing have increased from 2005. Those killed are predominantly males aged 15-44 years.

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3 hours ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

There is no comparison to be made between Jackson and Trump. One was probably the most physically courageous man to hold the office, the other is the most cowardly. Not only did Jackson lead men into combat against huge armies of Creek Indians and Seminoles in the primitive Vietnam that was Florida back then, and then also against the world's best-trained army at New Orleans, Jackson killed a man with a pistol at 24 paces after taking a .70 caliber round in his own chest.  And that was because the man insulted his wife. Trump would peddle his own wife's ass on TV if he thought it would make for good ratings. 

Yes, there is a crude analogy to be drawn between Trump's stance on immigrants and the Trail of Tears, and the Trail of Tears is a stain on our history. I truly don't believe that if Jackson had allowed the Cherokee and others to stay in the Southeast, things would have just ended up hunky-dory. Those crackers wanted that land, and they were ready for any excuse to commit genocide, no matter how civilized those tribes were. Later presidents presided over campaigns of brutal genocide and / or ethnic cleansing against the Plains Indians and face little if any of the disdain Jackson gets today for removing the Indians peacefully, if not willingly, to a place where they would be left alone for a couple of generations. 

Jackson was guided by honor. Trump has no principles. Jackson was one of the most self-made of men to sit in the Oval Office. Trump is not. If you accuse Trump of sucking up to and colluding with our historic enemy, he whines about it, praises that country's leader, and changes the subject. If you accused Jackson of sucking up to and colluding with Great Britain, a duel would be your best outcome. He might just think that insult so grievous that it would not be worthy of such formalities. He would just beat you to death with his cane or shoot you in the face on the spot.

Yes he was a slaveholder. Abolitionists were rare when he was president -- being a slaveholder was far from extreme. Yes, he was an expansionist. If you hate that about him, and that same guiding forced that was shared by his proteges Polk and Houston, and you live west of the old Louisiana Purchase, you should probably head east. You are standing on land they obtained for you, fairly or not. If you think it was obtained unfairly, and yet you still live here and degrade the memory of those who made it part of America, you are a hypocrite and an ingrate.  

 

I think there is something to the civil rights as a ratchet.  It should only go one way. You are a chode and force it back the other way. Trump may be unique on that front.  No other president has worked so hard to undo that sort of progress even though in absolute terms it is not as bad as previous president’s actions.  

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Trump does have an unusual attraction to authoritarian rulers but other than fawn over them, he doesn't do much for their cause.

Ronald Reagan on the other hand actively supported dictators, military juntas, and vetoed the Anti-Apartheid Act. He actively supported the Apartheid government and declared Mandela a terrorist. There were also those U.S. funded death squads running around Central America. I don't even have the time to list all the cruelty that Reagan directly and indirectly supported.

Trump might be a racist piece of shit but his hands aren't drenched in blood like Reagan's or other past Presidents.

 

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